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Final Fantasy XIII Is Coming To Xbox 360

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the you-gotta-be-kidding-me dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "In a stunning change, Square-Enix announced today at Microsoft's E3 press conference that its next iteration in the Final Fantasy series is also coming to Xbox 360." And I just rationalized the PS3 purchase by telling myself that the next FF will require it.

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Final Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24195043)

Final Post --- or am I just fantasizing?

I have always been a Sony fanboy... (5, Interesting)

WingedHorse (1308431) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195053)

...but I can't think of any reasons to buy PS3 anymore. Metal gear solids seem to be the only one as I don't really have need for Blue ray now (if I have in a few years, they will propably be cheaper by that time anyways).

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (1, Flamebait)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195113)

  1. You can run linux on it
  2. Microsoft

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24195215)

1. You can run linux on it

Meh. I can run Linux on a cheaper computer, too.

2. Microsoft

Except the PS3 is made by Sony. Remember the rootkit?

And the PS3 is an attempt by Sony to leverage their strength in the video game market to force Blu-Ray on us. Fortunately there's still HD-DVD, so Blu-Ray prices haven't shot through the roof or anything ... oh. Damn.

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (-1, Redundant)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195259)

You can run linux on it

For a time you could on the 360, and on the original Xbox Linux also works. And given that they are hacks, 3-D acceleration might actually work, unlike on the PS3.

Microsoft

Sony wasn't friendly to us either (remember the rootkit?) Plus, if you only buy used games, don't pay for Xbox live, and buy a used system 0% of that $$$ goes to MS.

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195617)

Linux on the PS3 is pretty much worthless, since (just like the PS2 Linux [wikipedia.org]) it isn't allowed direct access to GPU acceleration or all of the Cell processor. This makes it little more than a novelty. Might be useful for someone who doesn't own a computer to try out a stripped down Linux. But, realistically, how many Linux fans don't already own a computer?

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (3, Informative)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195687)

It is also useful if you want to work on the Cell.
It is the cheapest Cell development system you can buy.

MS .....sigh. (1)

acomj (20611) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195911)

He's moded flamebait but he has a point. I've been MS free 6 years now. Nobody wants to compete with a company that has lost 4-5 billion dollars on XBox and keeps going. People will say "its profitable now", actually its not, they wrote off 1-2 billion of repairs last year that they're paying for now.

You know competetion is good so its better to have all 3 around. I don't think they'd be throwing features into these consoles if the competetion wasn't there.

Plus if you know ASIC designers you'll now MS is still looking to hire good ones for this version of the xbox and the next one. (Heat issues...)

I'll probably get a Wii this generation.

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (2, Insightful)

superbus1929 (1069292) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195967)

1 is an utterly tripe, stupid argument. You could probably put Linux on a good blender at this point. What the fuck does running Linux have to do with playing video games? It's virtually useless in this sense.

2, if you're worried about this, then just step out of the video game market right now. The only three companies left - and the only ones that will be left for a long time - are Microsoft (who we're aware of), Sony (rootkits, Lik-Sang, etc.), and Nintendo, who aren't AS bad, but had their own history of bullying their developers for exclusivity and intentional chip shortages when they were the top dogs in the 80s and 90s. If you want to play console video games, either way you look at it, you're dealing with the devil.

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (0, Flamebait)

Goffee71 (628501) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195119)

Now if it had been coming out on PSP or Wii, that would be something, but this is just MS marketing dollars at work, be keen to see Squenix's next set of accounts, particularly the column marked big fat bribes. Not that Sony does anything different

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24195543)

No, it's not. If it were Microsoft's dollars at work, then they'd be releasing FF13 on the Xbox 360 in Japan too. But they're not.

No, this is Square Enix taking a long and hard look at the console market and realizing that the PS3, while winning in Japan, is losing everywhere else. In order to justify the cost of releasing it outside Japan, they realized that they'd have to release it for the Xbox 360, since it has over twice the install base of the PS3 in the US and Europe.

It's simply Square Enix being smart. Sony has lost to the Xbox 360 in every territory except Japan. Square Enix has done the math and they know that the cost of porting to the Xbox 360 is far less than the expected gains by effectively tripling their audience.

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (3, Interesting)

musikit (716987) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195745)

then why arent they releasing it for the wii which has a larger install base world wide then both the ps3 and xbox360 combined?

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (5, Interesting)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195899)

then why arent they releasing it for the wii which has a larger install base world wide then both the ps3 and xbox360 combined?

Probably because a major part of the core Final Fantasy lineage is eye candy... and the Wii doesn't have adequate hardware to provide said eye candy for their flagship title.

That and the fact that FF is really not a franchise for casual gamers... it doesn't really cater to the Wii audience regardless of how large that audience is.

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (2, Insightful)

deadmantyping (827232) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195915)

As much as I like my Wii, it is clear that it would never be capable to play FFXIII on it. Besides the the fact that the processors simply would not be powerful enough to provide an equivalent game experience as on the other two consoles, there is also no HD output (besides 480p).

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (4, Insightful)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195941)

because nintendo decided gameplay was more important than graphics. not necessarily a bad move, but certainly one that prevent certain games from being ported to Wii

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195809)

That makes sense if you ignore the recent annoucements of other 360 exclusive rpg's from SE. This is microsoft money, pure and simple.

The worst part is, this basicaly means a year or two long delay while they port on the 360 port. SE screws over the US ps3 fanbase so they can port to another system. Many aren't happy about that aspect. As someone who owns both a 360 and a ps3, That's what peeved me about the situation.

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195843)

And Wii has outsold the xbox 360. Where's the wii port? It's not like Micrisift has a history of paying for games...

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (4, Interesting)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195209)

I have three which are keeping me in the PS3 camp for now:

- Final Fantasy Versus XIII is still (supposedly) a PS3-exclusive
- Metal Gear Solid 4, as you mentioned
- Valkyrie Of the Battlefield [wikipedia.org] is coming out later this year

Also I don't think Sony has had their chance to show off at E3 yet, so there may yet be more stuff along the way.

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (5, Insightful)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195581)

Also the fact that it's apparently one of the only halfway-decent Blu-Ray players out there.

I was shocked when I first read this, but it's apparently true. How the heck did Blu-Ray "win" when the only decent player is a freakin' PS3?

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195771)

I have no idea. I bought a HDDVD player on sale for $99. It is a nice player and since I only have a 720p TV the fact that it is only a 720P player isn't so bad.
Blue-Ray won because Sony got the studios to all jump on the Blue-Ray bandwagon. They also got more players out because each PS-3 is a player.
Had Toshiba got the HD-DVD into the XBox or Wii then things may have been different of course it may have pushed the price of the Wii to high and the 360 wouldn't have had it's year lead.
I have to wonder how good of a "Win" this really is. Will Blu-Ray really be the new DVD or will downloads be the new DVD?

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24195591)

That's a good point on the E3 part. I'll bet that Sony made a deal with Square-Enix to announce it now so that Microsoft doesn't steal Sony's thunder at E3.

I've never been a Sony fanboy.... BUT (5, Interesting)

Serenissima (1210562) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195709)

I still bought a PS3. Honestly, I don't really care about what games come out for it - well, maybe except for Resident Evil 5, that looks awesome - I got it for a Blu-Ray player. It's the best and cheapest Blu-Ray player you can get on the market, and probably will be for a while.

During the format wars, Sony updated the Blu-Ray version by adding new features; new features that made new Blu-Ray discs incompatible with older players. If Sony decides to add more features in the future, the PS3 is the most versatile player they have.

The PS3's Blu-Ray decoding is software-based, it can be updated and upgraded easily. And the PS3 already comes with a wireless card in it that makes it extraordinarily easy to update.

Also, additional content on many Blu-Ray titles was done in Java. (AvP for instance has a game on the Blu-Ray disc) Most stand-alone players grind to a halt when trying to run Java. The PS3 has computing power to spare and chew those Java apps up and spit them back out. And speaking of computing power, it's designed to have amazing graphics. When you apply that to 2D video, the colors and picture quality are on par with the best devices out there. I'm sure there are better players out there, but those top of the line, multiple-thousand dollar units. For 500 bucks (plus HD cables, plus 30 bucks for the remote), you'll be near top of the line for significantly less money.

The PS3 also will upconvert your old DVD's to 1080p. So, your library of DVD's isn't obsolete like VHS tapes were with DVD's. It'll make all your DVD's look better.

So, it's an amazing player. It displays the movies in crisp, clear graphics - comparable to higher end Blu-Ray players. It can easily update its firmware so it can play all current and future Blu-Ray titles. It has the capability to play all additional content that many other players are incapable of playing. It upconverts old DVDs. And to top it off, it's the cheapest Blu-Ray player out there (or it was when I bought mine). If you've got a 1080p capable TV and you buy movies, the PS3 is going to be the way to go. And, if you see a game worth playing, well, that's just icing on the cake.

Let me finish off by saying I've been a Nintendo Fanboy. I've bought every Nintendo console that's come out. I was pissed off by Sony's arrogance about their system. I was voting for HD-DVD to win. But they didn't. Blu-Ray won. And I'm a pragmatist. If I want to watch movies in 1080p (which I do) there's only one way to do. The president of Sony can go eat a dick. I don't like his business practices and arrogance, but my opinion isn't going to change that. And even though I don't particularly care for him or the way, I have to admit that Sony makes awesome stuff. The first thing I watched in 1080p was a Wall-E trailer I downloaded. Jesus F-ing Christ. If you have the opportunity to see what 1080p video looks like, take the chance.

Re:I have always been a Sony fanboy... (4, Insightful)

Biotech9 (704202) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195943)

Clarification for me please?

I haven't gotten any of the new generation consoles (except a wii). I was thinking of a PS3 over a 360 because friends with 360s said they were a headache to own. Lots of failures, very noisy and occasionally even scratching disks.

Why would a PS3 be less useful than a 360 if all the games are the same and the hardware is better?

Well there goes the history of decent quality.... (1, Interesting)

Umuri (897961) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195057)

I might be wrong, but given the trend of games, I am gonna be very skeptical if square-enix can keep the quality of the game up while making it cross-platform.

A good portion of the smoothness, graphically and gameplay wise, was from the fact that the developers knew their system and how to program with it. Odds are that goes out the window and it gets degraded to craptastic quality to meet the "crossplatformm" requirement.

Re:Well there goes the history of decent quality.. (2, Funny)

Kamineko (851857) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195117)

That's okay. Nobody really knows how to program the PS3 anyway.

Re:Well there goes the history of decent quality.. (1)

Gravatron (716477) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195855)

Naughty Dog and Insomniac would like to have a word with you.

Re:Well there goes the history of decent quality.. (4, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195135)

Really?

I seem to remember Final Fantasy games for the PC that were on PS, that seemed to sell rather well. Not sure if that's related or not, but it would seem to be.

Cross platform wouldn't be such a big deal if the companies were more open about their development methods/kits/etc....if PS3 and Xbox360 and wii worked together, there would be no issues. However end result is the PS3 would run games the best due to superior hardware basically, and everyone else would cry foul. Plus all of those anticompetitive "exclusivity" contracts like EA has launched, ensuring crappy games when they're on a single system. Of course squeenix makes pretty good games and always has, though.

Re:Well there goes the history of decent quality.. (1)

Gewalt (1200451) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195243)

However end result is the PS3 would run games the best due to superior hardware basically, and everyone else would cry foul.

Sadly, the type of "Superior" that PS3 has over the 360 is on paper only. Granted, its more expensive hardware, and on paper it's not just better, it's light years ahead of the 360, but in terms of final output... it has nothing at all over the 360. They are both "more than good enough".

Re:Well there goes the history of decent quality.. (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195383)

Don't forget, a small yet common oversight in the console wars is the 360's GPU - it's actually FASTER than the PS3's, plus the 360 has a dedicated hardware scaling unit (which is why you can output at 1080p on the 360 with just about any game).
The CELL is a fantastic piece of kit and I'm glad I've got access to it, but right now a lot of it's power is being used to offset the slower GPU.

This is why nearly all multiplatform games perform just as good on one console over the other.

Re:Well there goes the history of decent quality.. (2, Interesting)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195747)

I agree. I played Final Fantasy VIII on the PC as my first Final Fantasy game. I had a PC gamepad to use which worked fine for the game, and the experience wasn't much different than a console (except that I was playing on a 17" computer monitor - still, that was decent sized and I had a nice tilting leather office chair, so it was comfortable). That prompted me to get FFVII for the PC and play through that. I bought FF IX for the Playstation when it came out (I actually played it on my roommate's PSX as I didn't have one yet :)) and it ran pretty similar to the computer titles that I'd played.

Overall, I think that Square-Enix has some pretty good programmers, and they can pull off a cross-platform title pretty easily.

Re:Well there goes the history of decent quality.. (5, Interesting)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195157)

FF13 was not being developed directly on the PS3 hardware. It was instead being written to run on the Crystal Engine, which was being programmed to run on the PS3. It is just now the Crystal Engine has been ported to the 360 so FF13 can follow.

Sounds like the PS3 will still be the system to play it on if one owns both.

Re:Well there goes the history of decent quality.. (4, Informative)

wilgibson (933961) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195595)

Crystal Tools, originally White Engine, has been a multiplatform development tool. They announced last fall that it was multiplatorm. GDC '08 [joystiq.com] At the SE presser yesterday it was said that FF13 was being developed on PC, then ported over to both systems. This is SE, I seriously doubt it will be worse on either system. Though, I'm guessing the 360 version will be 3 or 4 discs.

Re:Well there goes the history of decent quality.. (5, Interesting)

flitty (981864) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195937)

I'm guessing the 360 version will be 3 or 4 discs.

And I'm guessing that the PS3 version will probably require a HDD install, much like Devil May Cry 4, MGS4, etc.. and load 1-2 seconds faster.

An interesting sidenote, with the announcement that the 360 can install games to the HDD, but you have to have the disc in (for verification that you own the game), if they allowed a full game install of FFXIII, allowing the first disc to be the "verification" disc, the "LOL1l!! multiple disc" arguement would go away. Get on in MS, for those who don't like getting off the couch every 10 hours.

Re:Well there goes the history of decent quality.. (4, Interesting)

Gewalt (1200451) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195191)

I might be wrong...

Not just wrong, but delusional too!

Almost every game that is developed cross platform ends up way better quality wise then when developing for a specific platform. This is the reason why Blizzard ALWAYS releases cross platform. It's part of their strategy to maintain top notch quality.

Cross-platform: Assassin's creed (1)

oneTheory (1194569) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195757)

I've played Ass Creed (i like many things about this game, but the over-repetitiveness of the story structure deserves the abbreviation) on both ps3 and 360 and it looks great and plays smoothly on both.

May still require the purchase of a new system (-1, Troll)

loafula (1080631) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195077)

It was my understanding that Squeenix's decision to go PS3 only was due in part to the limitations of the 360's optical drive. Now the Microsoft is going to be releasing a blu-ray equipped 360, I'm willing to bet that FFXIII will require it. So, playing this on the 360 is going to require the purchase of a new console anyway. My question is, for all the 360 owners, do you buy another 360 or bite the bullet and buy a PS3?

Re:May still require the purchase of a new system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24195211)

I don't think they would split the user base like that. More likely would be releasing the game on multiple DVD's.

Re:May still require the purchase of a new system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24195221)

Neither. Just get some other game that's less of a pain in the arse. It's only a bloody game. I'm not going to buy a whole new machine for it FFS!

Re:May still require the purchase of a new system (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195239)

Source?
I've not heard anything except rumour and speculation on a blu-ray equipped 360.

A more logical assumption was that Square realised that there'd be a fucktonne more money to be made from going multi-platform. I don't think they ever cited the optical drive as a limitation, they just loved Sony (hence why FFXII never appeared on the Xbox for example), but even if that WAS their reasoning, I'd say Microsoft told them about the new game installs you can now do and they decided it'd be ok.

Re:May still require the purchase of a new system (0, Redundant)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195317)

What? The blu-ray-360 has been rumored many times, AND shot down each and every time by Microsoft.

The inclusion of blu-ray in the 360 would easily drive the price up $150, which would make the 360 more expensive than even the 80GB PS3 at this moment. I don't see that happening until the prices on blu-ray hardware drops some more and by that time, it'll be time for the next Xbox to come out anyways. If we do see a blu-ray drive for the 360, it'll be like the HD-DVD add-on drive and will probably sell for about $200.

However, it's important to note that Microsoft has repeatedly and consistantly stated that 360 games will ONLY be on DVDs - not HD-DVD, not blu-ray. DVD only.

No doubt FFXIII will come on a handful of DVDs. My guess it'll be 6 or 7 discs. With an average FF title taking 50 or so hours to complete (and twice that if you're a completist) that's about 10 hours per disc which is reasonable.

Also, don't forget that 360 games will now be allowed to be installed to the hard drive. I have the feeling we'll see some various options here for FFXIII. The actual game itself probably wouldn't take up that much room, so maybe you could do something similar to Diablo2 - install the game to your hard drive, but leave the CD/DVD in your drive for the cinematic cutscenes.

Doubly Wrong (0, Redundant)

Woundweavr (37873) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195321)

A - There's no Blu-Ray 360 coming in the near future. People have fabricated "rumors" to that effect because they expect it eventually, but there's been no halfway decent information indicating it. If MS didn't announce it yesterday, it won't be coming before Xmas 08 and likely not before E3 09.

B - Did Square go PS2 exclusive because of the next generation's not yet conceived drive? FF XIII was assumed to be PS3 exclusive because the last several generations have either been PS exclusives or launched on the PS 6+ months before other consoles.

Re:Doubly Wrong (1)

Warhawke (1312723) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195791)

A - I have to say as an owner of both I'm very happy that a Blu-Ray drive isn't coming out for the 360. I once tried using my 360 as a movie watching machine, and it was disasterous. The fan noise coupled with the drive noise was abyssmal, not to mention the interface for booting is gaudy and interferes with the movie (i.e. having to bring up the system blade so I can disconnect live so I don't get invites to play and "X is online" in the middle of my thriller). The PS3 is a much better console for media, which was its original purpose - to put a BluRay player in every home. It certainly won them the format war. The 360 is a gaming machine, the PS3 is a media center that can play games as media. After 3 red rings on the same console and Microsoft's refusal to change my box or renew my 3 year warranty, I've started switching over to the PS3, and I have to say though it sucked starting out, it's a decent enough system to play on. Needs more mem, but games play close enough 1:1 cross-platform for my liking, save the loss of XBL.

B - I highly suspect that Squeenix hopped aboard the Sony bandwagon not for the same reasons that Kojima did with MGS4 (blatant fanboyism), but because it was the easiest platform for which to code natively. People were porting PS2 games to the XBox, not the other way around, as you see in today's generation of consoles. MS released much better dev tools, and because of that, it was easier for developers to harness the power of the box and deliver a better game. Because they got a jump start, sales aren't so overwhelmingly Playstation based anymore, and I suspect those shiny profit numbers did a little more than catch Squeenix's eye.

Re:May still require the purchase of a new system (0, Redundant)

Kamokazi (1080091) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195323)

Microsoft has yet to confirm a Blu-Ray equipped 360...in fact they've denied it several times (which doesn't mean much). I would be willing to bet if they do start to use Blu-Ray, they would release an add-on drive as well as building it into a high-end model, so you wouldn't need a new console. Makes more sense for them that way, as putting it in a lower-end 360 would probably mean they have to sell them at a loss to be competitive.

You can get a lot of compressed content onto a double-layer DVD....long-arse install time to a hard drive would be required though, but I don't see why FFXIII would need more than that. They would need a TON of terrain and unique models to fill up the space, and unless they go in a new direction with the series, they won't need anywhere close to that.

Re:May still require the purchase of a new system (1)

dreemernj (859414) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195363)

Square Enix said in their press conference that they didn't know how many discs the 360 version would be. It's not depending on some rumored Blu Ray 360 at all. It'll just be multidisc the way games like FFVII were.

PS3 rationalization (4, Funny)

e2d2 (115622) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195089)

And I just rationalized the PS3 purchase by telling myself that the next FF will require it.

No doubt. Sony! Give me a reason to buy the PS3 please, I want that blu-ray player.

Re:PS3 rationalization (1, Redundant)

Zakabog (603757) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195421)

No doubt. Sony! Give me a reason to buy the PS3 please, I want that blu-ray player.

I find it funny that you ask for a reason to buy the system, then list the reason you want the system.

It's a blu-ray player, it works great as a media center, you can install linux on it, Sony doesn't charge for their online service like XBox... oh and you can play video games on it.

Try and find a computer that can match that. You can't even get the blu-ray drive for the price of the PS3, then you'd need a $300 video card to match the performance and quality in games that the PS3 provides.

Fan won't follow. (1, Insightful)

Speare (84249) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195093)

I am a pretty big fan of the Final Fantasy series, but when I heard the first rumblings of Sony PS3, I decided I just wasn't going to follow. Some of the Final Fantasy styled artwork could be stunning on high-def screens so I do know what I'm missing out on. Blu-Ray just wasn't interesting to me and the platform is too expensive to be just for games. I won't buy anything Microsoft either. Too bad, but it's just a game, and there has been and will be more great games for the platform I did pick. It's not always about the pixel count.

Re:Fan won't follow. (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195469)

I'm glad someone else is believing the hype they read online. Some of us aren't about the pixel count, but don't like our eyes going cross-eyed trying to read the text in adventure games or making out the targets in games involving shooters.

The PS3 is not expensive, percentage-wise its now very competitive with the Wii (not just with the 360). The PS3 has a base of excellent exclusive software that is very fun and unmatched elsewhere. So does the Wii. The 360 I must say has very few exclusives I find compelling.

PS, if you own an HDTV and don't see Blu-Ray as being valuable for your movie watching, then you need either new glasses or a new sound system for your livingroom.

The Wii is a great platform for its type of games, and the PS3 is a great platform for HD gaming, music listening, video watching, network video streaming (in HD), an open platform that can be used for software development and runs Linux, and is standards based and isn't restrictive like Microsoft or Nintendo. Look at photo exporting in Burnout, save game exporting in Burnout, level importing for Unreal III, etc. for developers who've benefited from openness on Sony's platform compared to the others.

But, in this story, Final Fantasy is going to be opened to a larger market this way, that's all its about. Final Fantasy was never about pushing a platform to its limits in-game. Maybe now cut-scenes will be real-time, but maybe not. I can't wait to see if it can render as beautifully as Ratchet & Clank or Uncharted for the PS3 though.

Elderly games. (-1, Troll)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195095)

Fucking let it die already.

Re:Elderly games. (5, Informative)

neokushan (932374) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195295)

Would you feel better if they gave it a different name? The Final Fantasy games don't follow on from one another, they occasionally have similar themes or side-characters, but that's it.
Think of it more like a branding, like Ferrari or Ford.

Bye Bye Sony (0)

Dave Tucker Online (1310703) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195101)

My console of choice has always been whichever one Final Fantasy is being developed for (Nintendo then Sony). Time to give Xbox a chance, I guess.

I don't care about blu-ray either. Digital downloads are the future.

Re:Bye Bye Sony (1)

rmadmin (532701) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195521)

Enjoy the 5 DVDs the Xbox version will come on :D

There is more to blueray than movies.

If you just listened to previous press releases... (1)

anomnomnomymous (1321267) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195109)

And I just rationalized the PS3 purchase by telling myself that the next FF will require it.

They have clearly stated in previous releases that they won't keep the game exclusive to the PS3 (albeit that statement was done at the launch of the PS3, when they weren't being sold as good as was hoped).

I've been expecting this for years (1, Troll)

Megane (129182) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195185)

...and all of you who already have a PS3 specifically because you wanted it for FFXII someday, please slap yourself. Especially if you bought your PS3 more than a year ago for a game that would happen "someday".

And it's not like Squeenix doesn't have 360 experience. There's a lot of folks using a 360 for FFXI.

Re:I've been expecting this for years (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195413)

...and all of you who already have a PS3 specifically because you wanted it for FFXII someday, please slap yourself. Especially if you bought your PS3 more than a year ago for a game that would happen "someday".

I know a lot of people who bought a Wii just for Super Smash Bros Brawl, some others bought it just for Wii sports. A lot of people bought a 360 for Halo too. The difference is, Mario/Zelda/Pokemon/Metroid are all going to be 100% only on Nintendo. And Halo seems to be only on the Xbox and Windows. The PS3 has... Metal Gear Solid? And even that is a third-party title. The PS3 has just about 0 first-party titles that are worth getting. The Wii is only surviving on first-party titles and the 360 has Halo which is close to if not a first-party title.

Re:I've been expecting this for years (0, Flamebait)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195885)

I didn't want it for FFXII, I wanted it for FFXIII and hopefully FFXIIII sometime too, duh!

Reasons to buy PS3 (2, Funny)

dontPanik (1296779) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195205)

  1. Final Fantasy (Scratch that one off)
  2. Tekken (Is this even going to come out soon?)

That's a pretty slim list Sony. Seriously, are you even trying?

Re:Reasons to buy PS3 (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195451)

Gran Turismo? The biggest selling franchise on Playstation?
Killzone 2?
Little Big Planet?

Re:Reasons to buy PS3 (1)

dontPanik (1296779) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195635)

Gran Turismo is much too realistic for my tastes. Buying a used car was difficult enough for me thank you very much!
I don't know much about Killzone but it seems like a generic shooter, plus shooters on consoles suck (with the exeption of Halo, which somehow pulled it off).
I haven't heard of the third. You've got my attention, now make your sale!

What ever... (1, Troll)

Alarindris (1253418) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195219)

IMHO, one player games are dull as hell.

Been playing 'video games' since 1985 or so and one player RPG's have had their day.

I would much rather play a 2 player RPG or better yet, a 10 million player RPG.

It's your own fault for buying a console expecting certain games, and moreover longevity.

I hope not to come off as a troll, but seriously, get a decent gaming PC and upgrade your video card every 3-4 years and your processor every 5-7.

I don't see the point in buying console systems that will be outdated in 3-5 years at this point as the technology is rising as quickly as it has.

Pigeonhole yourself as you please, but it is your own fault.

Re:What ever... (5, Funny)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195395)

IMHO, one player games are dull as hell.

Been playing 'video games' since 1985 or so and one player RPG's have had their day.

I would much rather play a 2 player RPG or better yet, a 10 million player RPG.

Speak for yourself. Having dealt with the "players" of those "10 million player RPGs" I'd rather slam my dick in a car door than play one.

They can give me all the 1 player RPGs they like (though bugger Final Fantasy. Get to work on Dragon Quest 9!)

Re:What ever... (0)

Aqualung812 (959532) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195455)

Been playing 'video games' since 1985 or so

Me too.

I hope not to come off as a troll,

Too late, you've been modded!

get a decent gaming PC and upgrade your video card every 3-4 years and your processor every 5-7

Let's do that math here. I assume "decent" means around a $2k system. Ok. You said vid card every 3-4. That's usually around $200. Processor every 5-7, another $200. Don't forget ram! We'll leave that out for now.
Now, I've built and played on PCs for years. However, I got an Xbox 360 last time rather than upgrade my computer. It was going to cost around $700 to upgrade my PC to play CoD4 well, but I got a 360 loaded for $450. Let's assume I buy a new one for $450 every 3-5 years (call it 4). In 12 years, I've spent $1250. You've spent over $3000.
Plus, I can play my console games with real people in my own home without another system. Its called split screen (or Rock Band) and you think PCs would learn how to do that at some point.

Re:What ever... (1)

Alarindris (1253418) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195695)

You fail at math.

3 (tops) video cards over 12 years is 600 bucks.

2 processors over 12 years is 300 bucks.

Thats 900 total.

BTW, I'm in a "real band" and it pays more than 900 a week, just playing in local bars.

Re:What ever... (1)

Aqualung812 (959532) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195929)

And you have 3 video cards and 2 processors, but no power supply, case, RAM, hard drive, monitor, keyboard, mouse, OS, DVD drive...got to have the initial investment. Are you still using the same amount of RAM and hard drive space as 12 years ago? Didn't think so.
Good for you and your real band. Do you also have a real army with real M16's, or do you play other games like Call of Duty and Counter Strike? You know, pointing a REAL rifle and moving a mouse are not the same thing...

Re:What ever... (5, Insightful)

internerdj (1319281) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195537)

I get why you were modded troll but you touch an important point. The RPG community has been fragmented now. For those who delight in making a character and sharing it with your friends real or otherwise the MMORPG is sweet, sweet candy, but for those who enjoy the deep and rich story which has previously followed RPGs MMORPGs just feel hollow. I've taken quite a few steps into MMORPGs and while they are improving over time, there are just some things that have to be sacrificed for balance. There will always be a place for the single(or well developed small group)-player RPG.

Re:What ever... (1)

Zakabog (603757) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195891)

I would much rather play a 2 player RPG or better yet, a 10 million player RPG.

For those of us that are social and have friends that come over, we'd much rather have a console for multiplayer games. Have you ever tried to play a two player game on one computer? How about a four player game? I bought Gears of War when it first came out, my friends would come over and we'd play on my 56" TV. Guitar Hero is a popular game when there's a party since it's easy to figure out even if you've never played any games before, and most girls I know would much rather play it than Gears of War. For games like Grand Theft Auto IV we play till we die or complete a mission and pass on the controller.

I hope not to come off as a troll, but seriously, get a decent gaming PC and upgrade your video card every 3-4 years and your processor every 5-7.

I have a better than average gaming PC, yet I can't play GTA IV, Metal Gear Solid 4 or Gran Turismo 5 on it. Not because my computer can't handle the games, it's because these games aren't being developed for the PC. Same is true whenever the next Final Fantasy game comes out. Yes I use my PC for some cross-platform games (like Call of Duty 4), but most games I want just won't be released on the computer. I can hope that some day they might release it on PC but I don't want to wait a year or two to play (especially when everyone else has already bought and got tired of the game, and there's no one left online to play with since they're all busy with the latest console release.)

GO Squenix (1)

Ceiynt (993620) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195233)

FF games would have been the only thing to bring me to buy a PS3. Thank you Squenix for saving me $500. I can use that to buy a blu-ray add-on for my xbox if it is needed. Or, as Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey has proven, you can have multi-disc games on 360 without an issue. I only wish the 120GB HD for 360 didn't cost so freaking much. But then again, a PS2 mem card still costs around $20. I love my 360, even after 1 RRoD episode, only down for about 10 days. I have to say it is by far my favorite console to date, going all the way back to Atari 2600.

This is probably been asked before BUT.... (-1, Troll)

harshmanrob (955287) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195263)

Doesn't Final Fantasy have FINAL in the title. Just how many sequels can this thing have and still be FINAL. And everytime there is another Final Fantasy made, there is a chance that no talent ass clown Uwe Boll will make a movie out of it.

Re:This is probably been asked before BUT.... (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195425)

It's been asked 11 hojillion times before, and the answer's always the same: it's a title, nothing else. Heck out of the last 6-7 installments only one of them has even been fantasy, the rest are borderline science fiction.

Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24195269)

I mean, CRPGs aren't great anymore, and the FF series hasn't for a long, LONG time. I guess I'll get Fallout 3 on the PS3, since I don't feel like upgrading my computer for a dumbed down game.

This is a reason I've always hated consoles... (4, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195327)

Exclusivity contracts.

Wanna play Halo 2? Get an XBOX. Wanna play Eternal Darkness? Get a gamecube. Wanna play Castlevania ? Get a PS2.

If only all game makers were following this example and began producing their games for ALL platforms... PC included.

Re:This is a reason I've always hated consoles... (1)

orielbean (936271) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195895)

you can play symphony of the night on the 360 via the arcade. definitely fun to play again.

Xbox360 version not in Japan (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24195467)

However, note in the statement that it won't be released in Japan on the Xbox 360. So purists who want the original japanese dialogue will still need a PS3. Happy!

Exclusive as in 'owners club'. (1)

wild_quinine (998562) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195473)

Pretty soon the only thing that will be exclusive about the PS3 will be the group of people who own them.

I saw some article the other day called '10 reasons to own a PS3' or something like that, with ten games coming out in the next few months. I'd never heard of most of them, and they all looked terrible.

I've got one in my lounge. I call it the obelisk. It was last on in March.

no wii? (1)

Neotrantor (597070) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195519)

the crystal chronicles game for wii is pretty fun

oh, and for a "final" fantasy, this thing sure has drug on for a while

If anyone else is like me... (1)

sshuber (1274006) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195547)

the only reason I was planning on buying a PS3 at all is to get Final Fantasy XIII. I've been playing the FF series since FF3 (US) and it is by far my favorite RPG franchise. Now that it is coming to 360, I have no reason to buy a PS3, which I was planning on doing when XIII launched. I'm sure i'm not the only one who was planning this. 360 really has PS3 beat in its online system, which I'm more than willing to pay my 7.99 a month for because it's worth it for the quality. The only saving grace that the PS3 has is the built in Blu-Ray player. Sony may as well license it to Microsoft and say good night.

Nintendo? Dissed. (1)

SilentBob0727 (974090) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195557)

Of course, no mention of the Wii.

Another slap in the face to the company that *made* Squenix who they are today.

Sorry, Nintendo fans, guess you have to go and buy another 3D remake for the DS.

Re:Nintendo? Dissed. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24195671)

The Wii couldn't handle Final Fantasy 13 anyway. SquareEnix has already released games on the Wii and several on the DS, I don't see how they are "dissing" Nintendo.

Besides SquareEnix has Sony to thank for switching storage platforms back on the Playstation 1, which created their biggest hit, Final Fantasy 7. If they had stayed with Nintendo, that opportunity would have been lost.

Cheer up CmdrTaco (4, Funny)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195567)

Cheer up, CmdrTaco!

The PS3 is still a worthwhile investment. It is the only next-generation console with a BluRay drive, and therefore the only console with the capacity to hold the 90 hours of cutscenes that will be in the next Metal Gear Solid game...!

Re:Cheer up CmdrTaco (1)

Theoboley (1226542) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195851)

Metal Gear Solid 5 - Nursing Home Stealth Tactical espionage featuring ancient snake. Grab orderly's behind's in High definition and in real time! (insert dubious link to preview that ends up being a rick roll video)

You are all morons (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24195583)

I hate you retards. Shut the fuck up and go play your console of choice. FUCK!

A mixed blessing (5, Insightful)

Sephiro444 (624651) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195637)

In the realm of mature gamers (most of whom have the disposable income to purchase all or as many of the current generation of consoles as they like), fanboy platform wars have no real place. That being said, I see both major positives and negatives about this announcement.

On the plus side, any increase in the competition of two massive corporate juggernauts can only be good for consumers, and the game being multiplatform will help it reach a wider audience and boost sales (especially overseas). In this day and age, it seems like third party exclusive titles are becoming a thing of the past, being replaced by highly subsidized exclusive bonus content (which results in more money for the developers who MAKE the games we love).

However, one advantage consoles have always had is the uniformity of hardware, allowing developers to milk as much performance as possible out of the system, and resulting in better looking titles than on comparably equipped PC hardware (but PCs, being upgradable, often quickly strip that advantage away as hardware progresses). Today, multiplatform developers for Xbox 360 and PS3 often strive for graphical parity between the versions (e.g., GTA4, Assassin's Creed). And while I have no doubt both are powerful systems in their own respects, they are also radically different hardware architectures and I can't see how developers can realistically claim to be maxing out the performance on both systems, yet still have them come out looking virtually indistinguishable.

As an owner of both systems, I was looking forward to FF XIII as an incredible showcase of just how powerful the PS3 was as a system. I'm sure it will still be a fantastic game, but I wonder if this decision won't negatively impact the final product...

You keep using that word but... (2, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195975)

Mature gamers...
I hate to tell you but mature gamers are buying the Wii. I would bet you that more and more people in their late 20s, 30's, and 40's are buying the Wii.
I think you better start using the term hard core gamers.
As to the news. I find it mildly interesting. It may really help Microsoft crack the Japanese market. As for me it just delays me buying a bit longer. My wife wants the PS3 for Singstar. Yes she loves Singstar. I have yet to see a game for the 360 or PS3 that I must have.
So we will keep playing with our Wii, PS2, XBox, and Dreamcast for now.

How Could This Topic Possibly Apply To Me? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24195693)

I am a male and I get regular sex. With a female. A female human.

My PS3 justification (3, Informative)

james_orr (574634) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195727)

I don't have an HD TV yet, but will probably get one next year (assuming I can convince the wife, even though there's "nothing wrong" with our 3 year old SD TV). Blu-Ray won the war, I can still play them on my SD TV with the PS3, and I don't want to be thinking "crap I could have got this DVD on Blu-Ray instead" when I do upgrade.

I can play videos remotely off MythTV/MythVideo, and any other upnp media servers.

I can play most of my PS2 games on it (80GB model) - only one didn't work, so I'm replacing a device rather than adding one.

Free online play.

The blu-ray player software is updated to make use of new features.

slashdotters (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24195805)

SONY IS EVIL! MICRO$OFT SUCKS! BOYCOTT..

ooh, shiny final fantasy! please bill^H^H^H^Hsteve and howard, take my money!

As someone who owns both systems (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195841)

I have owned both a 360 and PS3 since their respective launches, and while they both have disappointed me in many ways, Sony is the worst as far as unfulfilled potential goes.

The 360 has no shortage of flaws (faulty hardware, dumb move of not making the hard drive standard, charging for Xbox Live, etc.), they have definitely stepped up to the plate in the one area where it REALLY counts: games.

Sony, by contrast has some really great hardware (very reliable, built in wifi, blu-ray player, hard drive standard, etc.), but when it comes to games they've been long on promises but short on delivery. So far, they've only had one decent exclusive (Metal Gear Solid 4), compared to the many decent exclusives on the 360. And, even when they get a multi-platform title, the 360 version always seems to be out ahead (either in release date or quality).

Xbox also OWNS the online play with Xbox Live. PSN still lags way behind. And while "Home" looked interesting, it got delayed and delayed (to the point where I suspect it's been scrapped).

I had high hopes for my PS3 when I bought it. But now, it's basically just a blu-ray player for me (and maybe that's good enough for Sony).

So whats the big deal? (3, Insightful)

damburger (981828) | more than 5 years ago | (#24195867)

I realise I am throwing myself into a pit of rabid fanboys here, but here goes.

I've played around on some of the FF games, and I can't say they've ever impressed me. I even bought on once (FF VII) and gave up playing it quite quickly because it just didn't grab me.

So where is the appeal of this series? The action is dull, the RPG elements are poorly conceived and don't make much sense. The pace is plodding. Why are these games so raved about? I just don't get it...

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