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Slashdot Discussion System Updates

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the stuff-to-play-with dept.

Upgrades 345

This week we have a few new functions for you comment readers guaranteed to amaze and enchant. Or at least to make your day a little more efficient. The biggest update is that the system should remember what comments you've already read (for a few weeks anyway) but there's some other less interesting stuff as well. Hit the link below to read more.

So D2 now remembers what you have read. This will mostly be useful to readers who use the key bindings to navigate -- we didn't really want to guess if you've read something, but if you use the WASD keys to navigate, moving on from a comment flags it as read. Read comments are slightly faded, and if you re-enter a discussion a few hours later, it should remember what you've read.

We've simplified comment retrieval as well. If you get to the 'End' of a discussion and try to get more comments (either by clicking one of the various 'More' links, or by pressing a keybinding like S or D that tells us to move on to the next comment) a dialog box will show up asking you if you would like to lower your threshold. So if you normally read at Score:4, and read to the end of the Score:4 comments, it will offer to lower your threshold to Score:3 either for all time, or just for this page. This means you don't need to constantly raise and lower your threshold to handle discussions of different sizes. This works really nicely.

Lastly is a user preference in the pref pane labeled 'Collapse Comments After Reading.' I'm actually considering making this one on by default but I'm open to feedback. It does what it says -- after you've navigated off a comment (using the keybindings again), it collapses the comment you just left. This makes it very easy to keep your place in a discussion as it grows. This is especially useful in discussions where you want to leave a tab open for several hours, or else come back later and figure out what's new.

There are undoubtedly bugs: feel free to email me or post them to the bug tracker. Thanks to pudge for hacking all this stuff too. Especially the bugs -- he wrote those first.

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slashdot editor update: (-1, Troll)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198003)

CmdrTaco is gay.

Re:slashdot editor update: (4, Funny)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198067)

That's not the type of 'preferences' being referred to in the article.

Re:slashdot editor update: (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198407)

Shouldn't the title read: Slashdot Discussion System Improvements ?

Oh, wiat . . . now I see why they call them updates instead.

Hey Taco 'n' Fat Ass, how about you make those annoying Anonymous Coward trolls use the old discussion system? You know, as a sort of punishment for not logging in.

Re:slashdot editor update: (4, Funny)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198665)

how about you make those annoying Anonymous Coward trolls use the old discussion system? You know, as a sort of punishment for not logging in.

That'd be a reward. The real punishment would be forcing them to use D2.

Re:slashdot editor update: (1)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198709)

Just wondering: what's wrong with D2? Sure it has some bugs to iron out, but I feel it makes things a lot easier.

Re:slashdot editor update: (3, Insightful)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199131)

It always just felt klunky and slow to me. Earning my special ire was the fact that, by default, it has that damnable sidebar floating on the left, one of my most hated web UI devices. If I remember correctly, it displays fairly wonky in IE as well. I realize that "klunky and slow" is pretty subjective, but it's good enough for my purposes. Not to mention, by all the accounts here, it's buggy as hell, so while I may check it out again in the future, I'll wait to do so until it isn't the widespread beta it seems to be right now.

Re:slashdot editor update: (4, Insightful)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199327)

Turn the sidebar off.

yeah it doesn't work well in IE (2, Funny)

filthpickle (1199927) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199355)

or you can say 'IE doesn't work well with it' if you'd like.

Re:slashdot editor update: (2, Funny)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198295)

Me thinks someone forgot to post the little "Post Anonymously" box. Don't worry, we all do that sometimes.

Re:slashdot editor update: (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198413)

We can post anonymously? This makes trolling so much easier!!! Microsoft rules!

Note to readers: I sacrificed any potential gain in fame and fortune to make this witty response work.

Re:slashdot editor update: (3, Funny)

Faylone (880739) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199209)

Wait, fortune? You could make money reading slashdot?!

Last name (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198401)

Your last name....Bagina...does it, by any chance, rhyme with vagina?

If so, I can understand your anger. It must really suck to live life with a name that rhymes with Vagina!

I feel your pain.

Joe Kock.

Hmm. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198021)

Suck my cock, slashdot!

Display bugs (5, Insightful)

schnipschnap (739127) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198053)

Hmm, I think it's also about time to fix some display bugs. The most important one would be that replies to a given comment visually look like they're replies to the parent. And the lines that should tell you what nesting level you're at seem to disappear sometimes, especially when you collapse something. And collapsing a grand-grand-grand-parent, for example, also hides all children, but it triggers that triggers another kind of display bug: the boxes and hooks don't disappear.
I usually use Opera, but I was able to see that Firefox doesn't do away with those problems either.

Re:Display bugs (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198427)

That visual bug only happens when the parent is modded down below your threshold. Lowering your threshold, brings it backup.

the rest of the bugs I have seen and haven't been able to sort out as easily.

Re:Display bugs (1, Troll)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198449)

I posted a whole bunch of display bugs to Slashdot's tracker:

http://blakeyrat.com/bugs/ [blakeyrat.com]

Nobody's done jack about any of them. In addition, the one bug that *was* resolved was only confirmed and resolved for the "D2" discussion system, even though I filed it for the original discussion system. (I have no idea if the fix worked for both; the example thread I have in the bug report seems not to work.)

Anyway, like open source projects, Slashdot isn't actually interested in reading or fixing bugs. Don't bother.

Re:Display bugs (4, Insightful)

mikesd81 (518581) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198897)

And yet, Open Suse has fixed, as of July 6, almost 3000 bugs from opensuse 10.3 to 11.0. Mostly typos. KDE has been making great strides in updgrades causing less crashes by updating bugs. And since you're attacking OSS, let's lay out all the cards. What has Microsoft done about their bugs? Oh, yea, they get hard coded into production releases.

Re:Display bugs (2, Interesting)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199219)

And yet, Open Suse has fixed, as of July 6, almost 3000 bugs from opensuse 10.3 to 11.0. Mostly typos. KDE has been making great strides in updgrades causing less crashes by updating bugs.

Ok; so there's one open source project that addresses bugs. I've submitted probably 3 dozen or more bugs to various open source projects, and I think I can safely say less than 5 of them have even been commented on, much less fixed. Now maybe I have the misfortune of "only" picking crappy open source projects to submit bugs to, but my experience is my experience and your one example isn't doing a lot to counter it.

I actually wrote that page to send a message to the open source projects that ask for people to contribute any way they can, but then completely ignore the contributions.

Frankly, yes, I've had a MUCH better track record getting bugs fixed in closed-source programs.

What has Microsoft done about their bugs? Oh, yea, they get hard coded into production releases.

I was talking about submitting bugs to open source-esque projects, not Microsoft. But I guess it's easy to bash Microsoft when you have no actual argument, huh?

Re:Display bugs (2, Interesting)

juuri (7678) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198927)

Not going to happen.

Slashdot refuses to fix the non-sexy things, in the true spirit of open source. Quite obvious that most of the development work done on ./ is done by people who have never had to actually deliver a product on any sort of timeframe. Yeah, yeah, don't like it, don't read here. Unfortunately the mindshare of both good and terrible bad (ie hilarious) posters is still here with no other tech based discussion forums able to wrest it away, even after all these years.

Hell I'd even consider subscribing if the editors could keep their "witty" comments to themselves or give us an option for viewing submissions without editor comments. Or hey, modify the system to have two types of editor comments, correction (factual updates) and editorial and the ability to turn one or both off.

Insert sarcasm or relevant tags wherever needed above.

Re:Display bugs (3, Interesting)

vagabond_gr (762469) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198987)

I couldn't agree more. In general the nesting is not visually clear at all, which is weird because slashdot's comment system is all about nested comments. For example if you collapse a parent with a child open, it's not clear at all that the child belongs to the parent.

In general, I would love to have a continuous tree line where all posts, collapsed or not, are attached to the line. Like a classical tree widget [codepencil.com] .

Re:Display bugs (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199073)

Yes, agreed! Nested mode is so much worse than it used to be, because of these bugs.

In addition, how about removing the longstanding restriction of only showing up to 100 nested comments per page? If you try to set your prefs above that, it just resets it to 100. Let me just load all 1000+ comments of a large story into one page and I won't hit the slashdot servers for another hour as I read through.

And I'm pretty sure there's a longstanding bug there where if a long comment thread pushes the page well beyond 100 comments, the next page may completely skip some comments/threads. Besides, it's freaking annoying when you get one of those 400-comment threads on the page, and then the next 3 pages are exactly the same because they still start within that massive thread. Stupid.

Re:Display bugs (3, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199265)

The most important one would be that replies to a given comment visually look like they're replies to the parent

Sing it. I'm using lite mode and the Slashdotter extension pretty much because of bulloxed nesting. I mean, even MySpace blogs get this right. *shudder* Slashcode remains a fantastic engine for what it does, but the display could stand a bit of usability testing.

God, does it filter out "FRIST POST!!" attempts? (4, Funny)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198061)

Hmm...guess not.

Re:God, does it filter out "FRIST POST!!" attempts (1)

D Ninja (825055) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198147)

Ahhh...but in this discussion, first post has never been so appropriate.

Re:God, does it filter out "FRIST POST!!" attempts (2, Funny)

kaizendojo (956951) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198339)

FIRST post attempts, yes.

FRIST post attempts, not so much...

Re:God, does it filter out "FRIST POST!!" attempts (0, Offtopic)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199359)

I don't mind it so much when people say something like:

"I say, interesting read this one. I may put further thought into the matter, but I'd like to suggest the chap is correct in not licking the outputs of the miniature fuel cell he's created. Oh, and I do believe I've made the first post. Cheerio."

It's when people snipe articles like they're first edition TMNT comics, typing as fast as they can to get "FRIST POST!" that bugs me.

Hit the link below to read more (3, Funny)

pk2000 (792069) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198087)

What?! You mean we have to RTFA?

crazy new idea.... (1)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198121)

how about not forcing us to preview a few lines of bloody text? I've generally got better things to do with my time than clicking preview, waiting, blah, etc. Hell I don't even remember now, been so long since I bothered. Understand that there is a troll problem (see above comments), but those set of changes weren't the way to fix it - they were really just the way to make non-trolls not want to bother as much anymore.

Re:crazy new idea.... (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198189)

I don't have to preview. What are you talking about?

Re:crazy new idea.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198245)

Never-mind. Didn't realize the dynamic discussions was different. :(

Re:crazy new idea.... (1)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198569)

oh wow, when that new posting mether came around, I told it to stay with old, then one day it was back to new with no option while posting. But sure enough, right there in preferences....the old, don't-have-to-preview-first, method. Teh awesome. So I have to use old methods to not be annoyed, I guess ;)

Re:crazy new idea.... (5, Funny)

Danse (1026) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198239)

I've generally got better things to do with my time than clicking preview, waiting, blah, etc.

Liar. I see you here on /.

Re:crazy new idea.... (1)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198325)

...not want to bother as much anymore...

dramatic reduction, but I still come by when I have very little else worth doing. Like when I'm sitting in a hotel room waiting for a site to figure out what it wants me to do...

AWSD (3, Interesting)

KevMar (471257) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198135)

what does awsd do?

Re:AWSD (5, Funny)

garbletext (669861) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198213)

RTFM

Re:AWSD (5, Informative)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198225)

Similar thing it does in games...

W = Up
S = Down
A = Out Of Thread and/or Last
D = Into Thread and/or Next

Re:AWSD (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198475)

I use Dvorak you insensitive clods. Sure, I know that one can supposedly change key mappings, but dammit Jim, I'm a /. reader, not a computer guru.

Re:AWSD (1)

dark whole (1220600) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198647)

but dammit Jim, I'm a /. reader, not a computer guru.

You mean those aren't synonymous?

Re:AWSD (5, Funny)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198627)

Similar thing it does in games...

W = Up
S = Down
A = Out Of Thread and/or Last
D = Into Thread and/or Next

But how do you fire and cycle weapons ? Mouse wheel screws up the display and clicking mostly does nothing.

It's still very buggy IMO.

Re:AWSD (5, Insightful)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198727)

I use dvorak you insensitive clod.

No really, I do. Any way we can change these or am I going to have to browse the web with 2 hands?

Re:AWSD (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199069)

browsing the web with two hands - that could make certain sites pointless

Re:AWSD (3, Funny)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199329)

Why would you want to keep your other hand free when you're browsing Slashdot?

Re:AWSD (4, Informative)

Thyamine (531612) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198743)

It doesn't work at all if you have Firefox set to automatically search for text when you start typing.

Re:AWSD (1)

mikesd81 (518581) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198319)

I think you have set your preferences to the D2 style format instead of classic.

Not working (1)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198191)

I'm not sure what was changed, but D2 doesn't work with the version of IE 6 we use at my office anymore. Granted, we have some restrictions on what scripts run, but now I cannot reply, expand or display hidden comments using D2.

Re:Not working (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198327)

these changes seems to explain why i can't assign mod points with IE7 ?

who knows..

Re:Not working (5, Insightful)

H0p313ss (811249) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198469)

these changes seems to explain why i can't assign mod points with IE7 ?

who knows..

No, that's more likely to be a deliberate editorial decision. :-)

Re:Not working (2, Funny)

AI0867 (868277) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199305)

replying to undo moderation...

Re:Not working (3, Funny)

txoof (553270) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198671)

Silly, that's not a bug, it's a FEATURE. It's a subtle hint as to which browser you should--or rather should'nt--be using ;)

æ--¥æoeèzï¼Y (4, Insightful)

jaguth (1067484) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198285)

Maybe add support for unicode?

Harder demoting? (0, Redundant)

VincenzoRomano (881055) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198299)

I'd like to see demoting needing more than two or three votes in the same direction.

Re:Harder demoting? (1)

Arionhawk (1115559) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199083)

I whole heartedly agree.

no h-j-k-l? (4, Insightful)

doug (926) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198343)

w-a-s-d might be fine for some, but for us old school vi types, h-j-k-l is hardwired into our brains. Could that be added along-side the w-a-s-d stuff?

Re:no h-j-k-l? (2, Insightful)

rk (6314) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198537)

Tyranny of the majority. :-) I would guess that the set of people who know h-j-k-l but not WASD is very small. I too, am an old-school vi guy, but I've also played enough games that I'm comfortable with WASD, too.

I'd bet it wouldn't be TOO difficult to hack together a greasemonkey script to give you h-j-k-l as well, or even in place of, WASD.

Re:no h-j-k-l? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198933)

Did you guys even try to use HJKL?
It works perfectly for me.

Re:no h-j-k-l? (1, Informative)

TheThiefMaster (992038) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199105)

Mod parent super informative.

HJKL does in fact work.

Re:no h-j-k-l? (1)

JerkBoB (7130) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199261)

Did you guys even try to use HJKL?
It works perfectly for me.

Hey! Yeah, it does work. Neat.

Re:no h-j-k-l? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198617)

I second

one problem (2, Insightful)

linuxkrn (635044) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198931)

I'm a huge vi user myself, but the biggest difference is wasd is left handed and hjkl is right hand. Most people are used to using the mouse with the right hand. So you'd be jumping on and off the keyboard to click links/etc.

Re:no h-j-k-l? (1)

fprintf (82740) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199101)

WASD is rather silly for some. I change all the key mappings in my games (not sure what this keybinding stuff is since I use Iexplore) to ESDF in order to keep my fingers on the home-row, and keep my weak pinkie for the shift and CTRL keys.

Re:no h-j-k-l? (4, Funny)

vagabond_gr (762469) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199123)

I read slashdot directly from HTML source using vi. h-j-k-l works fine here.

Issues (4, Insightful)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198349)

I've never consistently gotten the correct threads when I have more than one page and say show me the next page. I see a certain thread in the first 50, then hit page down and there it is again. The only way I've been able to compensate is filter to a high enough level that all threads fit on one page and then drill down.

And the biggest problem I have is lack of editing.

Just 15 minutes-- or better yet- hold all versions so people can see what you posted first so you can't lie but CAN fix stupid errors.

Also, there is no way to see level 0 posts only. That's very helpful when you want to up-mod folks who were silenced by a bad mod.

Logging in without having to navigate away ... (5, Insightful)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198385)

Logging in without having to navigate away from the page when replying would be nice.

So, in the old system, you hit reply, realise you aren't logged in, type in user name and password (or have FireFox auto complete), type your comment and post.

The new system, realise you aren't logged in, hit the login link, get taken to a different page, login, navigate back to the old page, have to find where you wanted to reply, and notice that in the three minutes you spent logging in (some people are on dial up, some people do other things while waiting for pages to load, some people do both), you notice someone else has made the comment you were going to make!

So, how hard can it be to just include a username and password box when you hit reply and aren't logged in?

Re:Logging in without having to navigate away ... (1)

mikesd81 (518581) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198529)

I concur. I swear it used to slide the page down and you could log in at the very top of the page. Or am I losing my mind?

Logging in without having to navigate away ... (2, Funny)

cain (14472) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198925)

Logging in without having to navigate away from the page when replying would be nice.

So, in the old system, you hit reply, realise you aren't logged in, type in ...

Crap!

Re:Logging in without having to navigate away ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198949)

you notice someone else has made the comment you were going to make!

Good point, what we really need is some way to retaliate against the bastard who did that.

Bug (I don't have a sourceforge account) (1)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198389)

If you're typing a reply and then expand A GP post, it erases the reply you were writing. Kinda frustrating when you need to recheck what someone said.

Also, even when I"m logged in (with good karma), I don't have the option to submit directly, and the preview button often hangs.

Open "Reply to This" in a new window (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198855)

Also, even when I"m logged in (with good karma), I don't have the option to submit directly

Try opening "Reply to This" in a new window or tab to get the old comment form. The old comment form also has the advantage that users with the karma bonus can turn it on or off just for this comment, not for this comment and future comments.

D2 broken in FF3? (1)

frankie (91710) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198453)

For the past few days, the "Parent" button and the click-subject-to-expand links have been non-functional for me in Firefox 3 (OSX 2008061004). The error console displays this every time I scroll a /. page:

Error: $dom is not defined
Source File: http://images.slashdot.org/comments.js?T_2_5_0_212a [slashdot.org]
Line: 1542

Re:D2 broken in FF3? (4, Informative)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198761)

Clear your cache. It worked for me the last time I got that message.

keep up the good work (5, Insightful)

Clover_Kicker (20761) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198503)

Soon you'll have recreated the functionality of a late 80's usenet client.

Re:keep up the good work (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198719)

We should be so lucky!

Re:keep up the good work (1)

Mike Van Pelt (32582) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198757)

This should get both "funny" and "insightful" upgrades.

I do think the intent of Usenet and Slashdot are somewhat different -- Usenet discussions can continue for a long time; Slashdot discussions generally are limited to a couple of days.

Feature or bug? Feature, I think. After all, Slashdot is primarily a news site.

Classic bugs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198523)

  1. That classic is not the default :-(
  2. That when I'm viewing a comment and lower the threshold (-1) and display mode (nested) it switches to first child comment requiring me to click on 'parent' to read all the comments as I wanted.
  3. That there's these irritating "1 reply under threshold" thing and when you click it, it takes you to the parent post.

And sorry slashmasters but I consider D2 to be nothing but one sizable bug.

Moderator Points? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198585)

When did you up the number of moderator points given out at one time? Used to be that you got 5. But today I find I have 15.

Posted AC just in case its a bug even though I rarely use up all 5.

Re:Moderator Points? (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198831)

I noticed that also. Recently the last 3-4 times I've gotten them I've gotten 15.

IE6 Javascript errors (2, Interesting)

sholsinger (1131365) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198587)

Hi, I unfortunately only have IE6 at my current job site. The new scripts seem to break on IE6. I can't expand comments nor can navigate through them. I've noticed many CSS positioning bugs in IE6. I'm not suggesting you waste time trying to fix them. Perhaps a stripped down CSS file and losing some of the JS may be in order for browsers that do not support the features.

Re:IE6 Javascript errors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199143)

You need to quit your job.

Give us a classic option (4, Insightful)

linzeal (197905) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198609)

Before all these changes this site was much easier to scan. Now it bunches comments up on the right side if they are nested to deep, the lines while clever are not ready for production and I just liked it better before all these CSS changes. If you guys need something to do, start reading more science and engineering sites and less game and sysadmin sites. I mean if you are having a slow newsday you aren't looking hard enough [eurekalert.org] .

Re:Give us a classic option (4, Informative)

mikesd81 (518581) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198739)

Well go click on your preferences and then go click on classic layout. It's the first option in preferences.

Re:Give us a classic option (1)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199195)

D2 is broken from the start. Stick with the classic - go to "Preferences" (at the start of comments) and select "Slashdot Classic Discussion System".

Score Filter Bug? (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198613)

Is it just me, or does the score filter stop working for everybody when you turn on D2? Hard to understand that they can track what posts I've read, but not which ones are beneath my threshold. D2 is nice, but having to sort though hundreds of trolls and AC snipers is not worth it. Especially now that Slashdotter [mozilla.org] has caught up with latest HTML changes.

why does a script run when you close a tab? (1)

brunascle (994197) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198689)

when you open up a comment in a new tab/window, by clicking the subject, a script runs (presumably ajax) when you go to close the tab. you can see the "loading" section below the "More|Prefs|Reply" section in the left panel open up, and there's a slight delay. it only seems to happen the first time you open the comment.

why? I dont like it. It slows me down, and I dont think any script should be allowed to run after I hit X to close the tab.

wasd keys (2, Insightful)

matelmaster (1040950) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198715)

I didn't even know about this feature until now, but it isn't all that useful if you've got 'find as you type' enabled. Anyway, I would really like to use this, so does anybody know of a way to use these keys in firefox without disabling the search functionality completely?

Re:wasd keys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199031)

Under Preferences, go to Advanced->General and turn off "Search for text when I start typing." That doesn't actually turn it off completely -- if you hit / or ' (I think) the search bar will pop up.

And yet... (4, Insightful)

Reason58 (775044) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198723)

We still can't mod the editors.

Re:And yet... (1)

Tranzistors (1180307) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198937)

I hear a lot about these editors, has anybody seen one in action?

Wake me up when the moderation system is improved (3, Insightful)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198733)

Thats nice that the discussion system has been updated, but it would be even better if the moderation was improved. We have too many hacks running around with mod points that are ripping down comments that they disagree with, regardless of their relevance (look at the gun [slashdot.org] control [slashdot.org] threads [slashdot.org] to see good examples of irrational moderation.

We need moderation methods that actually reflect the scoring more intelligently, or a scoring that more intelligently reflects the value of the comment. The "overrated" and "underrated" moderations are garbage. Hacks use it to promote their friends and demote their foes. Why should a comment that started at +2 ever be marked "overrated"?

my own follow-up (3, Interesting)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198767)

Can we at least make the meta-moderation system useful? I haven't seen any indication that meta-moderation feedback goes anywhere, or has any impact on the moderations themselves (or those who gave them). As best I can tell meta-moderation is just a way to get moderation points sooner.

Re:my own follow-up (4, Informative)

Firehed (942385) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198941)

I'm pretty sure that quite a while back one of my moderations was meta-modded as stupid (or whatever, I can't be bothered with meta anymore) and I got an email for it and the user in question lost (or regained) the point. I don't think that Slashdot really needs to hand out gold stars for doing a decent job of moderating.

meta-moderation, again (2, Interesting)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199087)

I have done a fair amount of moderation and I have yet to see any meta-mod feedback.

I don't think that Slashdot really needs to hand out gold stars for doing a decent job of moderating.

I don't see it as a way of rewarding good moderators as much as a way of watching out for incredibly bad moderators. I guess I expected that the meta-mod system would perhaps have some influence on who would receive moderation points at what frequencies, based on how often they moderate carelessly.

However I see no evidence to support that.

Previously read comments (4, Insightful)

tchuladdiass (174342) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198787)

What I'd like to see is the option to gray-out / collapse any comments older than a certain timestamp. Then have that timestamp automatically set to the last time a particular discussion was brought up (allowing the user to adjust it if needed, i.e., if you didn't finish reading the whole page the last time it was brought up). That way, new comments would stand out.

Safari bug (or feature) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198849)

One thing the new comment system seems to have in common with the old is that, in Safari 3.1, typing in a comment, filling in the captcha and then hitting enter results in the comment being deleted. And thanks to the wonders of Ajax, it's gone for good - no help hitting the back button.

I can understand that 'submit' might not be desirable as a default form action, but 'delete all traces of the comment you just wrote' seems a bit harsh. And I thought we were all keyboard freaks here on /. - god forbid I should have to move the mouse to click the button! Then again, maybe it's just Safari being goofy.

scripts (3, Interesting)

smoker2 (750216) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198879)

I'm fed up with waiting for buggy scripts to finish.
It happens on virtually every page I visit on /.
The fun thing is, that whether I choose to wait, or terminate the script immediately, it makes no difference to the page.
This is in Firefox 2 on linux BTW. I posted this via ie on WM5, and no issues.

Need Automatic -1 "Redundant Idiot" Mod (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24198899)

. . . for every moron who claims:

  • the US is a fascist state
  • "Bush lied, people died,"
  • The US is losing in Iraq
  • Saddam Hussein NEVER had any WMD
  • The US sold Saddam Hussein his WMD
  • Bush claimed Saddam was behind 9/11
  • 9/11 was an Inside Job

etc, etc, etc.

Re:Need Automatic -1 "Redundant Idiot" Mod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199239)

So apart from "Saddam Hussein NEVER had any WMD" (which he didn't by the time UN weapons inspectors were admitted) you want statements of fact auto-moderated as redundant? Wouldn't your own comment have been moderated as redundant if the measures you're asking for were in place?

I can't help with your denial but please do keep up with your astounding logic.

"Collapse Comments After Reading" (1)

Timothy Brownawell (627747) | more than 6 years ago | (#24198915)

If I reload the page, they don't *stay* collapsed. Say I've been following a discussion during a slow day at work, and it's interesting enough to keep following from home, or maybe to check the next day... there are probably far more already-read comments than new comments, so there's still quite a lot of old stuff to scroll thru looking for the brighter color bars.

replies collapsed would be nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199187)

I love reading slashdot without being logged in because of one setting: the replies to parent threads are all collapsed and are one click away from being read. However, the threshold is annoyingly high, so I log in so I can read the lower point posts, but can't figure out how to make the replies automatically collapsed. Anyone able to help?

Fix the delay! (3, Interesting)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199217)

So you've made it more convenient to read Slashdot. Sincerely, thanks! I was skeptical at first but I've come to appreciate D2 - with one exception. You've made reading Slashdot more efficient, so it's easier to read multiple stories at once, so there are more things I want to comment on. Too bad! I'm still subject to the same broken comment delay that ranges from two-minutes-too-long to we'll-get-back-to-you at random.

Want to make karma actually mean something? Drop the delay from users with an arbitrarily good karma so that they can actually contribute to the site without wanting to choke the programmers.

You guys have blown it completely (1, Troll)

cjames53 (845484) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199247)

You guys have completely lost track of every web usability lesson. This "improved" navigation is a perfect example of geeks gone wild, of an open source project run by a bunch of programmers with no idea what usability even means. Slashdot now has a "user interface" that is completely at odds with every standard on the web. This is so counterintuitive it's unbelievable. The idea that you should "RTFM" is boneheaded. The comments you're getting in this thread are ALL FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE FIGURED OUT YOUR NON-STANDARD INTERFACE. Normal web users may be trying to read this, but they'd quickly become frustrated and depart, their comments unheard. Do you guys even read Jacobsen? Do you even know what a hyperlink is? The web has standards, boys. Get used to it. Work with it. But don't invent your own.
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