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First North American OpenMoko/FreeRunners Arrive

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the reminds-one-of-sony-mylo dept.

Cellphones 180

holdenkarau writes "The North American OpenMoko FreeRunners are starting to arrive. It would appear that the OpenMoko still has problems with some 3G networks, including AT&T. Although, in my own personal completely unscientific test, 2 out of 3 AT&T SIM cards worked. Check out the unboxing of a complete FreeRunner (along with debug board) and my experience getting the FreeRunner up and running. Or a direct link to the pictures for those of you bored with text. If you feel brave enough to take the plunge, you can buy your own FreeRunner from the OpenMoko store."

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Second Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199643)

Shank yu, shank yu vurry much

Re:Second Post (-1, Redundant)

Deltaspectre (796409) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199701)

Bzzt, you did it wrong

Re:Second Post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199815)

You make me sick. its First Post, damn it!

Pictures (1)

Deltaspectre (796409) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199671)

Take them OF the phone, not WITH the phone!

Re:Pictures (1)

Hannes2000 (1113397) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199737)

now that would be impossible, the neo freerunner comes without a camera.

Re:Pictures (1)

Hannes2000 (1113397) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199777)

okay, I just realized that even if the freerunner had a built-in camera this would be impossible...

Re:Pictures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199925)

okay, I just realized that even if the freerunner had a built-in camera this would be impossible...

Mirror?

Re:Pictures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24200571)

myspace camera can take pictures of itself in mirror! o_o

touch the glass to be sure... (2, Funny)

azzuth (1177007) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201035)

In soviet russia, mirror takes pictures of you!

Re:Pictures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24202855)

okay, I just realized that even if the freerunner had a built-in camera this would be impossible...

The Freerunner is a USB host. All you need is a webcam with a long enough cable.

Re:Pictures (5, Informative)

holdenkarau (1130485) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199747)

Take them OF the phone, not WITH the phone!

The phone actually has no camera, so the pictures were taken with a kodak digital camera. I'm not very good at takeing pictures I'll admit.

Re:Pictures (0, Flamebait)

HateBreeder (656491) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199845)

They were awful. they gave me a headache so i stopped reading through it.

Re:Pictures (2, Insightful)

holdenkarau (1130485) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199905)

Oh sad. Well you can read the post and then you only have to look at one picture.

Re:Pictures (1)

hritcu (871613) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199955)

I agree, the pictures are really horrible.

Re:Pictures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199867)

very blurry...

Re:Pictures (1)

Simonics Zsolt (711668) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200183)

Next time use a tripod and the self-timer.

Re:Pictures (2, Funny)

jpellino (202698) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200187)

i suspect there is an actual macro button on that camera - it looks like a small flower.

and tilt the unit slightly and you'll stop taking pictures of yourself taking pictures.

unless of course you're the guy in the ebay tea kettle pic...

Re:Pictures (1)

mikiN (75494) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201623)

Droste claims prior art claims prior art claims prior art claims prior art claims prior ...

Re:Pictures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24200525)

http://flickr.com/photos/holdenk/2670185358/ [flickr.com]

And get a haircut, hippie!

Re:Pictures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24202349)

I'm not very good at takeing pictures I'll admit.

Sure, you're not good at taking photos. Lots of people aren't. But, you can recognize a crappy one, right? You're not blind? So, here's a free photo tip - throw the junk away. Learn to edit, and people will think you're a better photographer than you are.

Right now, they think you must own a couple of white canes.

Auto Focus? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199721)

There is this new fangled thing called Auto-Focus. Look into it.

American MVNOs? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199809)

If it works the T-Mobile and AT&T will it work with the MVNOs like Tuyo or Net10?

Re:American MVNOs? (1)

holdenkarau (1130485) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200071)

It would make sense for it to work with Tuyo mobile, although I haven't tested it. Looking at howardforums I vaguelly recall there being one or two MVNOs whos sims only work in there phones (I think Net10 & Tracfone but I'm not sure).

500 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199901)

http://us.direct.openmoko.com/

Status: 500 Internal Server Error Content-Type: text/html
500 Internal Server Error

Well, they are doing a good job at ripping off the iPhone.

Re:500 (-1, Flamebait)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200019)

Indeed. If everything (mostly) works tomorrow, it'll be an exact copy of the iPhone launch! ... but in only one country, without months of publicity before the launch and with the general public not even aware of its existence.

Come to think of it, I'd guess that only U.S. geeks are aware of this "OpenMoko" phone.

Re:500 (1)

Nos. (179609) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200125)

Come to think of it, I'd guess that only U.S. geeks are aware of this "OpenMoko" phone.

You'd be wrong.

Who is aware of the Neo Freerunner (2, Informative)

GeneralSunTzu (1163223) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200131)

Buddy, this is nonsense. Am located in Belgium and have ordered three days ago a Freerunner from Germany, likely to be shipped after the 25 July.
On behalf of the European geeks,
GeneralSunTzu

Re:Who is aware of the Neo Freerunner (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201561)

Well ok, I stand "corrected". Only geeks are aware of it.

That's still an extremely small market compared to the general public.

Re:500 (1, Insightful)

slick_rick (193080) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200211)

The big difference between this and an iPhone is you can plug nearly any sim-card into a freerunner and it just works. You have to open the case of your iPhone and solder things the last I heard to get equivalent functionality with an iPhone.

Nice troll, BTW.

Re:500 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24200993)

You can plug in 3 sim cards and hopefully 2 of those will work. Maybe. And if they don't, hey, this is an FOSS phone and I'm sure everyone really tried their darnedest.

And if you last heard you had to know how to solder to change the sim card in an iPhone you need to go find the person who last told you that and punch them in the face, and then stop beleiving everything everyone tells you.

And as for equivalent functionality, the screen is smaller, the chip is slower, no multitouch, slow UI, relatively lousy UI, no push Outlook, etc etc. And half that you can't fix even WITH a soldering iron.

Re:500 (1)

desertrat_it (650209) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201731)

as it says in the article, AT&T has issues with the Freerunner. If you are not on AT&T, it won't be an issue for you.

Re:500 (4, Insightful)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201129)

Dude! The best part isn't that it can be used anywhere. That's an added feature. The best part is that the platform is completely open!

Re:500 (1)

comm2k (961394) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200259)

And plenty of people in Europe - especially Germany ;)

Re:500 (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200483)

Boy are you out of the loop. This has been in the press for over a year but if you only look at lame sites like windowsdevices.com or the like, you'd surely miss it.

LoB

I was about to order one (5, Informative)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 6 years ago | (#24199993)

When I realized it did not have a camera. While a hackable phone has immense appeal having to lug around a second phone or camera is really too much a of a hassle. Oh well, we'll just wait for release II I guess.

Re:I was about to order one (0, Troll)

gblfxt (931709) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200123)

most mobile phone cameras suck anyway, i dont know why you would want to use a phone instead of a camera.

Re:I was about to order one (5, Insightful)

Simonics Zsolt (711668) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200267)

They are "good enough" for a lot of things.

Re:I was about to order one (0, Troll)

gblfxt (931709) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200357)

sorry, come from a linux background where we prefer one thing to do its job well, in this case, make phone calls. as opposed to making all things "multimedia extravaganzas!" there is always windows mobile and iphone for you to check out.

Re:I was about to order one (2, Interesting)

quantumplacet (1195335) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200539)

While I certainly don't advocate the inclusion of cameras in cell phones, if the sole purpose of this device is to make phone calls, is a touch screen or linux OS really necessary?

Re:I was about to order one (1)

gblfxt (931709) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200901)

touch screens seem more the norm, not sure yet if i think they are better. linux OS seems more necessary than their closed source cousins OSX and windows.

Re:I was about to order one (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24200581)

We? Who do you think you are speaking for?

Many of consider our phones to be communication devices. Voice, data, video, whatever. I don't maintain separate computers for email, web browsing, and personal web serving, why should I want to carry separate devices for talking or texting?

Besides- lots of Linux programs are multipurpose to the extreme (is there anything Emacs can't do?).

Re:I was about to order one (5, Funny)

mhall119 (1035984) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200775)

is there anything Emacs can't do?

It's missing a good text editor.

Re:I was about to order one (1)

jomiolto (1092375) | more than 6 years ago | (#24202375)

is there anything Emacs can't do?

It's missing a good text editor.

Don't worry, that is going to be remedied very soon -- I heard that Vim 8 is going to be implemented in elisp on top of Emacs!

Re:I was about to order one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24202635)

You win this thread.

Re:I was about to order one (1)

gblfxt (931709) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201233)

sorry, was using the royal 'we'

Re:I was about to order one (5, Interesting)

Kelvie (822725) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201339)

On that note, Emacs is known to be working on the OpenMoko. One of the primary reasons I'm getting one -- a phone that runs Emacs.

Re:I was about to order one (5, Funny)

mikiN (75494) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201889)

Passer-by: "What kind of voodoo ritual is that guy over there doing to his phone? It looks as if he's trying to pierce it with multiple little sticks all at once while at the same time poking it with his nose."
Geek: "That's no voodoo, he's running Emacs on his Openmoko. Those sticks are styluses. Look, he just did a double-bucky! Without dropping his phone! Cool!"

Re:I was about to order one (1)

Quattro Vezina (714892) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200723)

You try and carry around five devices in your pocket. PDA, phone, MP3 player, pocket calculator, camera, etc. You'll need cargo pants.

It's the one reason I haven't bought an N810 yet, and the main reason why my next phone will almost certainly be an HTC Kaiser/TyTN II.

Re:I was about to order one (4, Funny)

mustafap (452510) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201939)

>my next phone will almost certainly be an HTC Kaiser/TyTN II.

I'm so out of touch. I thought that was a pop group.

Re:I was about to order one (1)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201187)

you can speak for yourself, thank you.

Re:I was about to order one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24200771)

Right, plastic / cheap fixed optics without a flash...that's my definition of a great camera too.

You're discerning eye for quality means you must at least be president of your photography club at school...good luck.

Re:I was about to order one (2, Interesting)

Hannes2000 (1113397) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200583)

I use my phone's camera as a mobile scanner. works perfectly well.

Re:I was about to order one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24200737)

Where is the open source camera that I can hack to read QR codes, calculate angles, show color temperatures, do OCR, and automatically tag pictures based on GPS coordinates? It should also be able to upload pictures to my home box over SSH over any open wireless spot.
It's not a deal breaker, but if possible I would prefer an easy way to carry a couple of easily hackable megapixels around on my body. Carrying more than two gizmos around at a time gets cumbersome, and at least one of those must be able to make calls over GSM.

Re:I was about to order one (1)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201131)

Because for many quick shots a simple camera is more than enough. I don't need to lug around a reflex for quick snaps, having a very simple cam in the phone is a perfect solution for me. Think of it as the difference between a notepad and a wordprocessor, both have their applications.

Re:I was about to order one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24200471)

Okay, so while I get the appeal of taking crappy little photos with the crappy little lens, how can that be the deciding factor in a phone that has wifi, GPS and a full VGA screen?

Re:I was about to order one (3, Interesting)

lymond01 (314120) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200575)

Oddly, a lack of a camera may give something like this a push into certain businesses where cameras are not allowed on the premises.

single touch only :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24201057)

The touch screen doesn't support "pinching" and "unpinching" to zoom in or out. Though this is mainly just a "toy" feature, I think its novelty is a major selling point for the iPhone.

I wonder what would have needed to get cut in order to support dual tracking in the touch screen?

Re:single touch only :( (1)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 6 years ago | (#24202545)

I don't find it a toy feature at all, I think it is the most elegant solution to browsing the web, maps, photos, etc. on a small screen I've seen yet.

Since the Freerunner's screen is smaller, and from the screenshots it looks like more of its space is taken up by administrative junk, there might not be enough room to pinch/unpinch anyway.

Re:single touch only :( (1)

kaizokuace (1082079) | more than 6 years ago | (#24202961)

I think apple has a patent on that pinching/unpinching motion.

Re:I was about to order one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24202185)

Seriously, dude? I'm shocked that 'no-camera' would be the deal-breaker for you. My Verizon phone is brand new and the camera resolution absolutely sucks. For moments that matter, I'd much prefer having a real digital camera along for the ride.

I'm sorry.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24199999)

... that was not an iPhone question. Next?

CDMA areas in 4 years? (4, Informative)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200027)

Lots of North America is only served (or well-served) by CDMA networks. Hopefully, with Verizon embracing LTE [wikipedia.org] for its next network build-out we'll finally have compatible transcontinental coverage. Next, the world.

Re:CDMA areas in 4 years? (1)

gblfxt (931709) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200087)

hopefully CDMA areas are GSM in 4 years!

Re:CDMA areas in 4 years? (4, Informative)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200591)

hopefully CDMA areas are GSM in 4 years!

Hey, at least click the link I bothered to include. :)

First, 3G GSM adopted the W-CDMA air interface. Now, the traditionally-CDMA carriers are adopting the 3GPP's new IP-based protocol with an OFDM air-interface. The old definitions are just confusing at this point, but the upshot is the standards are converging. LTE allows for integrated fail-over to older tech, so the carriers don't have to have a build-out completely done on day 1 - they can do it incrementally and the phones will work as people move, but technically a Verizon user could roam on an AT&T tower.

Re:CDMA areas in 4 years? (2, Insightful)

gblfxt (931709) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201003)

i've been able to use my GSM phone when i travel around the world, CDMA, not so much.

Re:CDMA areas in 4 years? (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201123)

i've been able to use my GSM phone when i travel around the world, CDMA, not so much.

Try northern New England, for one. Apple won't even sell you an iPhone if you live in Vermont. Pretending GSM has worldwide coverage doesn't help. Converging the standards does.

Re:CDMA areas in 4 years? (1)

gblfxt (931709) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201321)

when i said "the world", i meant outside of US, if only one country considers something a standard, its not much of one

Re:CDMA areas in 4 years? (2, Informative)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201209)

I'm trying recall the name of the project that is the open radio system. With something such as a general radio and an antenna to handle multiple frequencies, couldn't the phone use either GSM or CDMA?

*google*

Ahh! http://hpsdr.org/ [hpsdr.org]

The term I was looking for was software defined radio.

WHAT??? no Ninja backflips????!!! (0, Offtopic)

naz404 (1282810) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200063)

Well I am certainly disappointed.

Freerunner my shiny metal ass [wikipedia.org]

I was imagining linux-phone wielding geeks, running all over the place, doing acrobatic backflips and leaping all over buildings like that guy [foucan.com] James Bond chased all over in Casino Royale and that bad-ass acrobatic French assassin [cyrilraffaelli.com] Bruce Willis faced off with in Die Hard 4

And here I was so excited thinking badass Ninja Robot Freerunners you can own were coming to the U.S.

Bah.

Re:WHAT??? no Ninja backflips????!!! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24200717)

That ability is currently pending inclusion into the next firmware update. Please be patient.

Audio? (1)

crush (19364) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200085)

What does this thing have hardware support for in terms of audio codecs? Also how is using it to browse the web?

Re:Audio? (3, Informative)

Hannes2000 (1113397) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200649)

the webbrowser currently available through the repositories is quite a pain in the ass. the rendering is butt-ugly, scrolling is only possible using scrollbars, zooming is only possible using the tiny zoom-buttons and the keyboard didn't show up when I focused the textfield at google. but I'm sure things will get better soon.

Re:Audio? (1)

richlv (778496) | more than 6 years ago | (#24202479)

can't you run opera on it ? while not opensource, it should be quite a decent tool for the purpose.

Re:Audio? (1)

Hannes2000 (1113397) | more than 6 years ago | (#24202611)

opera mini depends on java, while opera mobile is neither free as in beer nor free as in speech. thus, while there is no java on openmoko, these are no decent solutions.

Re:Audio? (1)

crush (19364) | more than 6 years ago | (#24202483)

Thanks for that. Useful info.

Lowered bars (5, Funny)

Goaway (82658) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200091)

Although, in my own personal completely unscientific test, 2 out 3 AT&T SIM cards worked.

Sounds like Open Source to me!

Re:Lowered bars (2, Funny)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 6 years ago | (#24202861)

And if you hack the radio, you'll get more bars. You'll also get a mugshot too.

SOLD OUT!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24200349)

from http://us.direct.openmoko.com/products/neo-freerunner

Neo FreeRunner is currently SOLD OUT.
The next batch of shipments are scheduled to arrive on July 25th. In the meantime, please consider purchasing from an official Openmoko Distributor.

kanibalv

3G network... (5, Informative)

Etherized (1038092) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200545)

OpenMoko still has problems with some 3G networks, including AT&T.

This claim is misleading - the device has no UMTS radio, so of course AT&T's 3G network isn't supported. What's really happening is that some people who have "3G" SIM cards are having trouble accessing AT&Ts GSM network.

Sold Out (1)

raijinsetsu (1148625) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200661)

It's sold out, and has been for weeks. I was going to purchase one, but I didn't have the cash. Now that I have the cash, there isn't one to buy. I'll have to wait another month, but at least I'll get to read all the reviews in the meantime.

and I'd want to buy it why? (2, Insightful)

arpad1 (458649) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200677)

If I'm not mistaken, the phones are going for $400 per. It doesn't look all that good compared to the $200 iPhone so why would I want one if I wasn't interested in the "open" aspect of the phone?

Re:and I'd want to buy it why? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24200755)

Wells, you have to keep in mind the true cost on an iphone (namely the difference between an iPhone plan and the plan you would get if you didn't have an iPhone). For me that difference is pretty large, mutliply by 24 and you've got a much more expensive iPhone.

Re:and I'd want to buy it why? (5, Informative)

Tony (765) | more than 6 years ago | (#24200867)

First and foremost, because you control the software.

Secondly, the iPhone is *much* more than $200. That's the subsidized price. By the time you finish with the contract, you've spent quite a bit on your iPhone.

Really, though, you'd only want one right now if you wish to hack on it. There's no reason to get one as your regular phone if you're not a hacker. The software stack is still in its infancy.

Mine is supposed to arrive in a week. I'm pretty damned excited. I figure it needs some good games, like Nethack.

Re:and I'd want to buy it why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24201191)

You wouldn't (as you probably well know.) You can get a `better' phone for less money, not so much since due to the open nature of the phone as due to the high cost of entry into manufacturing these things. These guys are betting that enough people regard the ability to customize the workings of the phone (or maybe just open source principles and nerd cred) higher than they do raw hardware specs and out-of-the-box usability.
Unless someone comes up with some killer app that can't be cloned on 'ordinary' smartphones, the best the owners of this can hope for is to eventually reach feature parity, and they'll be disadvantaged by the hardware.

Re:and I'd want to buy it why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24202279)

to buy the iphone without a contract, it costs $599 for the 8GB and $699 for the 16GB. that is more expensive than the freerunner

Only ATnT? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24200945)

So this thing can't do GSM 1900 which is what T-Mobile uses, correct?

Re:Only ATnT? (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201255)

That's what it's looking like. As a T-Mobile customer, this makes me a sad panda.

Re:Only ATnT? (2, Informative)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201349)

Looks like I was wrong:

http://www.openmoko.com/product.html [openmoko.com]

* GSM
o Tri band 850/1800/1900 MHz
o Tri band 900/1800/1900 MHz

Re:Only ATnT? (4, Informative)

tchuladdiass (174342) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201421)

Actually, they have two models -- 900/1800/1900, and 850/1800/1900. Both will work with t-mobile. AT&T uses mostly 850, so the second model is the one you'd want if you are on at&t, or if you are on t-mobile and want to roam to 850-only areas.

the pictures are almost worthless (1)

MoreDruid (584251) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201041)

they're too blurry, on some pictures you can barely make out what the guy is trying to take a picture of!

Too bad, since I think it's a pretty nifty device and I would've bought it if it hadn't taken that long to get to market

Downsides to Openmoko? (2, Interesting)

marklar1 (670468) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201045)

Can anyone shed some light on the following statements, taken from:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/08/23/apple-iphone-vs-the-fic-neo1973-openmoko-linux-smartphone/ [roughlydrafted.com]

(after several points wraps up:)

"...OpenMoko therefore isn't a new âoeopen phone,â it's merely a version of Linux designed to run on a specific vendor's proprietary implementation of Windows Mobile. Buying an FIC phone to run OpenMoko is like buying a Dell Windows PC to run Linux. You're not changing the world, you're merely funding development of Microsoft's platform while giving yourself the opportunity to work with community software."

I don't understand the differentiation or point made regarding the serial port connection to the the GSM/GPRS run by proprietary Nucleus OS -- is this like a BIOS for the hardware instead of an OS? Is it a problem with proprietary drivers?

Perhaps more important, how does this compare to other Linux based phones out there?? Does this help the community in general, or is it really vendor specific?

Re:Downsides to Openmoko? (4, Insightful)

ThogScully (589935) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201491)

Sounds to me like they made a bunch of stuff up. The OpenMoko folks have gone to great lengths to develop the hardware platform from a completely open perspective, so that it developers can have full access to the hardware and full specs to program to.

Ultimately, calling this a Windows phone running Linux is like saying that all ARM processors are really Windows machines that can also run Linux.

The article really focused on OpenMoko vs. iPhone, but at least as far as I read, didn't get the point. The iPhone is geared toward those who buy things already working and the FreeRunner is aimed at those who want to make it better.
-N

Re:Downsides to Openmoko? (1)

xgr3gx (1068984) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201863)

I don't know what the hell he was talking about either. The words "Windows" and "proprietary" shouldn't be uttered in the same sentence as Openmoko.
I think it seems pretty good for the first production iteration. That's a huge undertaking to develop a complete hardware/software phone platform.
I think the Freerunner and Openmoko have the power to shake things up a bit when they become more polished, and more general consumer ready.
It needs to be marketed on 2 fronts:
open hackability for us geeks
sleek design, media features, and run on any network for mass audiences.

Re:Downsides to Openmoko? (1)

dltaylor (7510) | more than 6 years ago | (#24202539)

"serial connection to GSM/GPRS"

GSM/GMRS modules often have an embedded microcontroller (ARM7, or the like), and some sort of microkernel. The command/control channel between those and the "system" processor (running Linux/some sort of embedded M$-Windows/...) may emulate, or, in fact, be, a serial port. You exchange sequences similar to the old Hayes modem commands, now commonly called the "AT" command set. You can also use PPP connections, although I don't know if they take advantage of PPP's encapsulation of multiple protocols so the command/control, IP networking, and voice have separate streams within the PPP connection.

There are hardware issues with GPS this iteration. (2, Interesting)

Kelvie (822725) | more than 6 years ago | (#24201389)

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-July/021774.html [openmoko.org] It seems that GPS doesn't work very well with a microSD card plugged in ... and this appears to be a hardware issue. If this is the case, I am thinking about sending the package back when it arrives (it's scheduled for tomorrow via UPS). It'll cost an arm and a leg to send it to the US and back otherwise (from Canada, thanks to UPS and customs).

Shawn the Anonymous Coward. (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24201565)

I just got mine, and all I have to say is....

game over!

This is not just a phone. It is a handheld Linux based router! It has a full stack via USB, and in the other direction via the GSM. It is open source hardware, using open source software. I hope a few of you realize what I am talking about. I don't think a device like this (this small, and compact) existed which has this functionality. Routing.

After testing three different sim cards I finally got it to work with ATT. (G3 Fireball, not the one with the round contacts on the back, the one with the square contacts on the back it ends in G 4003 or something to that effect, its posted on the openmoko wiki.

Mark this post, this is the beginning of the end my friends!

Toy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24201619)

Tag this story "toy"

I Would Have Been Interested (1)

Skjellifetti (561341) | more than 6 years ago | (#24203119)

but I'm still occupied fixing the numerous little annoyances that came with my last not-quite-ready-for-prime-time-alpha-version open source phone [laptop.org] purchase. I hope they can make the beta version a little smaller since it doesn't quite fit into a pocket and it is too big to hold up to my ear for long.
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