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Rockets To Race Over Wisconsin Skies

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the nitro-burnin'-funny-ships dept.

Space 210

Iron Condor writes with a reminder that that the first race of the Rocket Racing League (last mentioned here in April, after its 2005 founding) is set to take place later this month at Oshkosh AirVenture 08. This race, says Iron Condor, "is exactly what it sounds like: NASCAR 1000m above ground in rocket-propelled airplanes. Created by X-prize founder/CEO Peter Diamandis, this is 'the next evolution of racing' (at least according to the promo video, which is definitely worth watching)..."

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Doh! (5, Funny)

genner (694963) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232643)

I just moved from Wisconsin. Who knew there was a reason to stay,

Re:Doh! (2, Funny)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232783)

The cheese man. It is all the reason you need.

Re:Doh! (0)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233097)

I love cheese, but man, the damn cold winters we have here aren't worth it. No amount of cheese will make me feel better when wind chill is -30, and I'm trying to get my car out of a snow drift. Thankfully, I can just move somewhere warmer and get my parents to bring me cheese if they ever visit.

Re:Doh! (2, Funny)

codepunk (167897) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233381)

Whimp, how the hell can a guy get any ice fishing done when it is above freezing.

Re:Doh! (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233429)

Simple, I don't ice fish. Problem solved! ;)

Sounds from rocket racing. (2, Funny)

sidragon.net (1238654) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234017)

Whooosh!

Re:Doh! (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234069)

cut a hole in the bottom of a boat and make-believe like Mr. Rogers taught us to?

Re:Doh! (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233703)

Bah, I'm stuck in AL looking for my way to get back to WI :)

Re:Doh! (2, Funny)

XiX36 (715429) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233121)

Amen to that, fresh cheese kicks ass! Now if only we can figure out a way to strap a rocket to a giant wheel of cheese. . .

Re:Doh! (2, Funny)

nharmon (97591) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233189)

Vermont cheddar has everything from Wisconsin beat.

(I'm from Michigan)

Re:Doh! (4, Insightful)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233911)


Speaking as a European, I have, and really no offence, found US cheese to range from bland for the better stuff, to disgusting for the most mass-market ranges. And the thing you call processed cheese is beyond description all together. I'm sorry, I really am - the people of the USA have contributed to culture and science in many, many ways - but your cheese is the foulest thing that anyone has ever had the gaul to pass off as food. I tried pretty much all of it until I found somewhere that imported proper English cheddar which I bought with great relief.

I guess it's just one of those things.

Re:Doh! (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234047)

My favorite is Widmers' brick, named after the farm that produces it in southeast Wisconsin. You can only get it in southeast Wisconsin. It's a relatively mild brick but has a good flavor to it. Sadly I don't live there anymore but when we go up there to visit family we will spend $100+ in cheese and fresh meat. Stuff straight from the small cheese producers and butchers is so much better than what you get in any supermarket.

You don't have to be sorry, you just aren't spoiled like I am - my dad was a dairy farmer. I didn't grow up eating mass-market cheeses, we got cheese and sausage and other cuts of meat straight from the producers.

Re:Doh! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24234055)

your cheese is the foulest thing that anyone has ever had the gaul to pass off as food.

You obviously haven't tried our beer.

Re:Doh! (1)

jgunchy (602271) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234241)

I've heard the same thing from UK coworkers. Just be thankful you never had any of the government cheese they gave out years ago. Mmmm, tasty!

Re:Doh! (2, Funny)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233311)

Cheese and racing? All you need to attract Space Rats:

Avon: Bring that thing into close-up.
[Shots of the space chopper, getting larger and larger.]
Avon: Closer. Concentrate on the pilot. I want a close-up of his helmet.
[Shot of helmet revealing red silhouette of a rat.]
Vila: It's a Space Rat!
Soolin: Friends of yours?
Vila: Friends? Space Rats? There's no such thing as a friend of a Space Rat -- they even hate each other.
Tarrant: What else do you know about them?
Vila: They're maniacs, psychopaths! All they live for is sex and violence, booze and speed. And the fellows are just as bad. We had a couple in the penal colony once. They were always trying to frighten me.
Dayna: [Laughing] And they never succeeded, of course. What were they imprisoned for?
Vila: Breaking into transport museums. When the Federation banned all leisure transport, they went in for stealing anything on wheels or could fly. They were speed crazy, and I do mean crazy.

Re:Doh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24233975)

There's a "cheese man" in WI?? Or, did you mean "The cheese, man"? :-)

Re:Doh! (1)

Hordeking (1237940) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233669)

Hamdingers. 'Nuff said.

Smart people, smart technology. (1)

billy901 (1158761) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232657)

NASA should look into what these people are doing and perhaps use their ideas to create a better and more durable rocket. As posted on Slashdot earlier, they are having shuttle replacement issues.

Re:Smart people, smart technology. (1)

dougmc (70836) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233455)

The shuttle is more glider than rocket.

Also, these people don't seem to have had a single race yet. Their promo video appears to be footage from a video game. (Well, that and Star Wars clips.)

Perhaps it's a bit premature for NASA to look to them for guidance ...

Oh yeah!!! (5, Funny)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232663)

Rednecks racing rocket's 'round a ringed raceway! Radically refreshing!

Re:Oh yeah!!! (2, Funny)

andrewd18 (989408) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232757)

Hey now, we're not rednecks. We're Cheeseheads. Get it right.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (2, Funny)

SBacks (1286786) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232791)

Wisconsin is not full of rednecks, its way to far north. Its full of cheeseheads, a subgroup of hicks.

(Just for the record, I grew up 20 miles south of the WI border)

Re:Oh yeah!!! (0, Redundant)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232887)

Cheeky cheeseheads chasing...crap it can't be done.

Anyhow, they said it was just like NASCAR, so I figured the spectators would be rednecks.

So let me know if my Venn diagram is correct:

[U (Hicks (Rednecks) (Cheeseheads) )]

?

Re:Oh yeah!!! (5, Interesting)

snowgirl (978879) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233079)

Anyhow, they said it was just like NASCAR, so I figured the spectators would be rednecks.

Yeah, when I saw "like NASCAR 1000m in the air", I was all, "oh great... ANOTHER NASCAR."

Seriously, anyone who watches real racecar driving on circuits internationally just shivers when you suggest "NASCAR", because it's boring to watch. "Go fast, turn left," I've heard it described as. And then, Indy and Champcar spun off of F1, to go around in ovals...

I remember playing a Indy race car simulator game back on the Apple ][e (yeah, old school racing sim!) and now I'm surprised looking back on it... the tires on the right-side are larger than the ones on the left... why? To help you turn left better... because SURPRISE! They're only going left!

Compared to GT racing, F1 racing, and hell, even freaking Autocross ("put up cones; instant track! can I drive my civic?") are way cooler and more interesting to watch than a bunch of dumb americans chasing their tail all day long.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233213)

I think you are a brave brave man to post without the anonymous box checked.

Insulting Americans in one thing, but insulting NASCAR like that is just dangerous. Those people take their "sport" pretty seriously. I almost got thrown out of a bar once, on my face, for even suggesting a smidgen of what you are saying in your post.

I predict a flamebait/troll mod for you, and you should be thankful that is all you get.

Anyways, don't make fun of other people's sports like that. Racing in Europe *might* be more interesting, but you don't have to be a dick about it.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (2, Insightful)

Sun Chi (680938) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233303)

I think you are a brave brave man to post without the anonymous box checked.

Or a woman.

by snowgirl (978879)

p.s. NASCAR is stupid and boring.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (2, Insightful)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233359)

Dude, this is Slashdot, not Earnhardt country. And NASCAR does suck. There are much better racing variants available even in the US.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24233473)

Brave man? That comment was posted by "snowgirl".

Re:Oh yeah!!! (3, Funny)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234045)

Brave man? That comment was posted by "snowgirl".

On teh intertubes the women are men, and the girls are FBI agents.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24234071)

Consider the place where it was posted.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (2, Funny)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233551)

My preferred provocation is to scream "TURN RIGHT, TURN RIGHT" at the TV.

I would agree that the previous poster is certainly trying to stir the pot. I mean, I'm pretty sure that most of the drivers who aren't dumb Americans are just dumb Europeans.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (1)

C0vardeAn0nim0 (232451) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233515)

i don't watch nascar to see "a bunch of dumb americans chasing their tail all day long.". i watch nascar to see a bunch of dumb americans crashing into the wall!!!

nothing beats a nascar-style 10 car crash.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (1)

fretburnr (933771) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233623)

I don't think I've ever had words pulled quite so intact from my own mouth.

I work with NASCAR fans, and I give them hell every chance I get. I'm an avid autocrosser and newbie road racer.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (1)

smallfries (601545) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233767)

Totally agree. If they were going to make this so that it didn't suck .... it would be the RedBull air-race. I guess it'll be a whole new generation of entertaining international sport against the crap American copy.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234217)

Eh, NASCAR road course races (Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Infineon Raceway, and Watkins Glen) are nice to watch, if only for the entertainment value of watching them struggle to move those beasts around real turns.

And of course, everyone loves the crashes.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (4, Insightful)

FiloEleven (602040) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234289)

I'll take the bait. I'm not a huge NASCAR fan, but my roommate is. "How can an otherwise intelligent young man get so much enjoyment out of such a crappy sport?" is what I asked myself. Part of it was certainly his upbringing - his dad was a huge fan. But you know what? Under the surface, it's actually pretty interesting.

The issue is that it's kind of like golf, only the people who tend to watch it are larger, rowdier and smellier. Golf is pretty boring to watch, too, unless you have an eye for the subtleties of a good shot or an appreciation for the difficulty of a particular putt.

If you're watching mostly the track and seeing the cars go 'round to the left, you're going to be bored as hell. If you focus on an individual driver, and watch how he catches a draft off of a passing rival, and you understand that drafting will make both cars go faster (though the guy in front is at full throttle and the guy in back only half), the dynamics of the race become more interesting. In fact, I find the most entertaining part of the race to be how drivers play with the airstream (well, except for the crashes, of course).

I'm not a fan of Nascar by any stretch of the imagination and will never go out of my way to catch a race. If people are watching one where I am, though, I don't have to play the elitist asshole anymore because I understand that the game has some merits.

I agree that F1 is more interesting. Autocross not so much. And don't even get me started on drag racing.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (2, Funny)

RabidMoose (746680) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233147)

Cheeky cheesheads captaining charring chariots competing for CEO's contentment. There you go.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (1)

carambola5 (456983) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233215)

We cheeseheads are not a subgroup of hicks, you FIB.

(oh snap)

Re:Oh yeah!!! (1)

cyphercell (843398) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234277)

Fucking Ignorant Bastard?

Re:Oh yeah!!! (1)

CaptainPatent (1087643) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232857)

Saddly, the summation of Slashdotters will slowly slaughter the spotlighted server.

Re:Oh yeah!!! (1)

Yold (473518) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233127)

And suddenly from behind me,
this guy stood up and said
"Ehhh... hold my Leine"
And said "Doncha know,
that's a rocket ya know"

FYI: Brett Favre doesn't throw bad passes, its just his arthritis.
 

Re:Oh yeah!!! (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234023)

Rednecks racing rocket's 'round a ringed raceway! Radically refreshing!

The crashes are going to kick ass!

Thousands of Sconnies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24232669)

Thousands of overweight packers fans will pause in unison from their cheese and beer and gaze up at the sky, furrowing their brows in a vane attempt to understand how men dare defy the laws imposed by God!

Can you say "Massive UFO reports?"

Re:Thousands of Sconnies (1)

codepunk (167897) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233333)

furrowing their brows in a vane attempt to understand how men dare defy the laws imposed by God!

We have been watching Farve do it for years!

Re:Thousands of Sconnies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24233795)

Most steerable rocket engines are vane attempts.

this reminds me of something... (4, Funny)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232735)

"Now *that's* what I call *pod-racing*!"

Now all we need is some Sand People to shoot at the racers, and we're all set!

Re:this reminds me of something... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24232817)

"Now *that's* what I call *pod-racing*!"

Now all we need is some Sand People to shoot at the racers, and we're all set!

Fine, we'll hold it in Iraq next year.

Re:this reminds me of something... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24234049)

Zing!

Re:this reminds me of something... (1, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232967)

"Now *that's* what I call *pod-racing*!"

Now all we need is some Sand People to shoot at the racers, and we're all set!

Well, they got startled, but I'm sure they'll return in greater numbers.

Re:this reminds me of something... (5, Funny)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232995)

Now all we need is some Sand People to shoot at the racers, and we're all set!

So you're saying they need a tribe of people with language of unintelligible guttural noises that are both heavily armed and perpetually dressed in baggy, concealing clothing? Sounds like Wisconsin to me.

Re:this reminds me of something... (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233301)

Just because we call them bubblers, hunt deer, and only have two long seasons doesn't mean you can call us Sand People.

Cheese People? That's just fine though. Mmmm...

Re:this reminds me of something... (1)

nate nice (672391) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234385)

Wisconsin is one of the only states left without concealed carry. So it is generally accepted the people in Wisconsin are not heavily armed.

Re:this reminds me of something... (0, Redundant)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233241)

Now all we need is some Sand People to shoot at the racers, and we're all set!

No worries - the race will take place in cheesehead country - a subset of hicks they have the shooting department covered.

Re:this reminds me of something... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24234061)

I prefer pot-racing. It's pretty simple: You start you with.... *ding* Pizzas here. Gotta go. Munchies.

X-Prize? (2, Insightful)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232871)

I can see where if this sort of thing really took off, the X-Prize interests would dovetail perfectly. If private racing could eventually hold races in low earth orbit, beating governments to the technology, the interest and funding for space could really take off. It's just another way to skin the cat, making money while advancing reasonable interests.

Depends on how this works (4, Interesting)

jd (1658) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233409)

If it's NASCAR-style, then it'll appeal to some folks but it just won't have the kind of hold that other racing leagues get. Formula 1 gets serious money, and world-class rally racing is just that - world-wide, with an audience few sports can compete with. These two are descendants of the old European city-to-city races, where racers where gentlemen first. NASCAR is descended from bootlegger contests where winning was more important than how.

Rocket racing really needs to take the same road as the old-style European racing leagues, perhaps even taking that kind of idealistic "it's not the winning that counts" attitude even further. Anyone can make a fast rocket, but does it have style? Is it fast out of brute-force or because the design is the coolest hack ever? Award points for place, yes, but also for style. Why encourage crap designs and crap driving?

Re:X-Prize? (2, Insightful)

chaim79 (898507) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233413)

That would be very different (and even more interesting) then what they are doing, right now it's just rocket powered aircraft, to race in LEO you'd have to have some powerful maneuvering jets and a strong control system, and a pilot who can think maneuvering in an airless environment where it's all changing momentum vs changing wind deflection and lift properties.

Wow. (5, Interesting)

FlyingSquidStudios (1031284) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232915)

Amazing how they can make giant glowing polygons float in the sky for the planes to fly through.

Re:Wow. (1)

dotancohen (1015143) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234065)

Amazing how they can make giant glowing polygons float in the sky for the planes to fly through.

What's really amazing is your Interesting mod as opposed to Funny. You just sent more people to RTFA than the milf comment last month did.

"Flying glowing polygons!?! Not that's something I just HAVE to see!!!"

Finally. . . (2, Interesting)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 6 years ago | (#24232933)

a video I can watch because it's not Flash.

That said, these don't look like rockets but are simply jets. Still interesting but not true rocket racing.

If they really wanted to make it interesting, they should have the competitors fly through the canyon they show in the video.

Re:Finally. . . (1, Insightful)

Fizzl (209397) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233041)

Uh... It's a quicktime mov. I consider that shit far more irritating than flash. Only thing more irritating than quicktime is realmedia.

Re:Finally. . . (1, Offtopic)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233657)

I second that. I hate Quicktime, I refuse to install it and I was disappointed to see that the video was a .mov. Guess I won't be watching it.

Re:Finally. . . (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234395)

Have you tried quicktime alternative or are you boycotting the entire format?

Re:Finally. . . (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233051)

What makes you think they're jets rather than rockets? They looked like planes with rockets in the back to my (admittedly untrained) eye.

Re:Finally. . . (5, Informative)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233153)

To use the Answers.com definition of a rocket, which is pretty much what I think of when I hear the word rocket:

A reaction engine that contains all the substances necessary for its operation and is not dependent on substances such as atmospheric oxygen, drawn from the surrounding medium, and thus is capable of operating in outer space. Also called rocket motor.

If the engines of these vehicles are drawing in air from their surroundings, they're not using rockets, they're using jet engines.

Re:Finally. . . (3, Informative)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233313)

I know what defines a rocket, and I didn't see any noticeable air intakes on the planes in the pictures, that's why I asked.

Having looked a little closer [rocketracingleague.com] it seems that they're burning kerosene and carrying liquid oxygen as an oxidiser, so they really are rockets, not jets.

Re:Finally. . . (2)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233401)

I stand corrected. Thank you.

Re:Finally. . . (1)

vux984 (928602) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233531)

Well, you stand half corrected.

Rocket engines are a type of jet engine

So while you were wrong that they weren't rockets, you were right in that they were jets. ;)

Re:Finally. . . (1)

dougmc (70836) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233659)

It's not even really clear what the difference is between a jet and a rocket, or if it even matters.

It sort of looks like in general a jet engine uses air from the atmosphere, and a rocket carries both fuel and oxidizer with it.

Either way, if it goes fast, looks fast and flame comes out the back ... that's what matters.

Re:Finally. . . (1)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233263)

If they really wanted to make it interesting, they should have the competitors fly through the canyon they show in the video.

Noooooo... If they *really* wanted to make it interesting they would do what that idiot (lovable idiot) did in JackAss 2.

They would put on handles and some steering controls and the "pilots" would have to ride real rockets through the canyon. Now that's a sport!

Re:Finally. . . (2, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233345)

That said, these don't look like rockets but are simply jets. Still interesting but not true rocket racing.

Jet racing, rocket racing... Why would I care about the difference? "Oh this is lame, these things aren't even carrying their own oxidizer!"

Re:Finally. . . (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233423)

Nope they are true rockets burning Liquid Oxygen and Alcohol.
They do use jet propulsion but all rockets do. They just don't use turbojets or turbofans.

.MOV?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24232935)

Is there no better link available to show their promo video?

Re:.MOV?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24233165)

Sure, give me 10 minutes and I'll rip it to Flash for ya.

Or would you prefer RealPlayer? I can do RealPlayer too.

EAA Fly-in (1)

carambola5 (456983) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233015)

I was on the fence about whether to go to the EAA fly-in this year. When I had heard of the RRL race, I immediately notified my boss of the upcoming vacation day. That was a month ago. =)

Canyons? (1)

drunken_boxer777 (985820) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233073)

Yes, the trailer, er I mean promo video, is cool, but since when were there canyons in Wisconsin? Oh, they'll be racing in empty sky over flat terrain? Somehow that doesn't seem as thrilling.

Re:Canyons? (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233431)

There are glacier formed gorges aplenty in Wisconsin, but not really near Oshkosh. But EAA has been there for a long, long time and Air Venture is the largest airshow in the world. More airplane enthusiasts there during the event than any other time.

Wait! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24233091)

Won't someone think of the fuel- I mean children?

Re:Wait! (1)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233529)

They're using children as fuel? What a brilliant way out of our present oil crisis!

It was only a matter of time (4, Funny)

EdIII (1114411) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233123)

.... before Wile E Coyote (Super Genius) merged with NASCAR.

I predict similar spectacular failures to occur, and I think I will enjoy it just as much as I used to do when I was five years old :)

If it's NASCAR but 1000m off the ground... (3, Funny)

SeekerDarksteel (896422) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233137)

...does that include NASCAR's amazing ability to make something that should be fantastically awesome in theory and make it something incredibly boring in practice?

Anyone notice tomorrow never dies part? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24233237)

If they're spending so much money on this, then why copy a small part of James Bond: Tomorrow Never Dies to put in the teaser?

I doubt if it will be anything like Rocket NASCAR (1)

tmbailey123 (230145) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233289)

Until they start bumping each other at >Mach2 it can't be the the rocket equivalent of NASCAR. BTW Are these vehicles real rockets or are they jets. If they are rockets (a rocket carries it own O2, a jet gathers it oxygen from the atmosphere) then they will have to be relatively short lived races, won't they ?

-mike

Left turns included? (1)

chargen (90268) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233411)

Subject says it all...

Wouldn't this be more like drag racing in the air?

-Pete

Just like NASCAR... (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233549)

...if all the cars in the Daytona ran the entire race one at a time and they all just compared time afterward. Thrilling!

Fuel? (4, Insightful)

StellarFury (1058280) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233589)

Uhhh... does anyone care about the massive waste of rocket fuel that this is? I mean, that's the number one reason I hate NASCAR. It's just downright wasteful. We could be using that gas, instead of burning it to drive in a circle 500 times.

This whole auto-racing thing is an artifact of a world where energy is plentiful and can be freely squandered.

Re:Fuel? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24233647)

The Rocket Fuel they're using is cheaper than gas. And besides, Mythbusters proved they could use Salami as fuel.

I predict Bio-Rockets soon.

Re:Fuel? (1)

StellarFury (1058280) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233823)

I'm not sure I buy that. Even if they're using an H2/O2 mix, I really doubt that it's less expensive than gasoline, if only due to the quantity they'd have to buy.

Re:Fuel? (3, Insightful)

vux984 (928602) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234093)

Uhhh... does anyone care about the massive waste of rocket fuel that this is? I mean, that's the number one reason I hate NASCAR. It's just downright wasteful. We could be using that gas, instead of burning it to drive in a circle 500 times.

This whole auto-racing thing is an artifact of a world where energy is plentiful and can be freely squandered.

What do you figure the energy costs are to to run an indoor football/soccer/basketball stadium? Or an NHL hockey rink? remember, these all have to be maintained 24x7.

Not to mention all the fuel used flying all those people back and forth across the globe just so they can kick a ball around or hit a puck with a stick?

At least there is some technology feedback from auto racing back into 'real cars'.

What would be the return on investment in the energy cost of hockey? baseball? football?

How confident are you that NASCAR is actually the most energy wasteful sport going?

Re:Fuel? (3, Insightful)

ghoti (60903) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234183)

This whole auto-racing thing is an artifact of a world where energy is plentiful and can be freely squandered.

Well said! I completely agree. It's time we move on to a world where it's cool to be efficient and conserve energy rather than blow it out the exhaust pipe as fast as possible.

Re:Fuel? (1)

Pontiac (135778) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234285)

The initial designs use a 1800lb thrust Oxygen/Kerosene (Jet-A) engine
That one has 40 gallons of Jet-A and 10 cu ft of LOX (722) lbs

Just to compare NASCAR uses a 22 gallon tank and a 777 jet liner burns 50 gallons a minute

Then 2nd gen planes are using twin 400lb thrust Oxygen/Alcohol engines.
I couldn't find the fuel specs for the O2/Alcohol engines.

Tiny Dangerous Jets (1)

ahoehn (301327) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233721)

I wonder how closely the actual racing will resemble the video renders. Because while the video renders look awesome, they seem a bit fantastical.

Either way, here's a less likely to be slashdotted video mirror [vimeo.com] .

If this is rocket racing why do I see a propellor? (2, Interesting)

whoever57 (658626) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233785)

Towards the end of the promo video, there is a short clip from inside one of the planes (one can see "Castrol" on the canard wing and the plane is flying above a river) -- in the front, one can clearly see a propellor. WTF?

Re:If this is rocket racing why do I see a propell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24234067)

Short answer: There hasn't been a rocket-powered race, yet. However there's lots of in-cockpit footage from traditional petroleum-propeller-based racing.

I can't imagine the view being terribly different, save the lack of visible moving parts.

Like NASCAR, only one reason to watch... (1)

bryce4president (1247134) | more than 6 years ago | (#24233851)

...and that is for the crashes.

It's not going to happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24233969)

with these fuel prices!

One word: smoke (2, Interesting)

ghoti (60903) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234127)

The trailer looks cool, but there are tons of problems. This isn't going to look anywhere nearly as exciting in reality.

First of all, they expect people to go there to watch the action on huge TVs? WTF? Why do that when you can stay at home and see it on TV? This is essentially a virtual sport, there's hardly anything to see in the real world (other than the take-off and the unavoidable fly-by).

But the reason this isn't going to be anywhere near what the video shows is safety. These planes will have to keep a significant safety distance so they don't crash into each other. So no high-powered chases or planes flying through overlapping polygons. The other planes will only be tiny specks somewhere in the distance.

Also, do you know how far the safety distance is behind a commercial plane? That's miles of airspace that can't be used due to turbulence in the plane's wake. Now imagine what the wake of a rocket plane is like!

And finally, one word: smoke! These engines don't burn nearly as clean as the nice CGI suggests, ever seen a Shuttle launch? There will be tons of smoke, making it hard to see much, and increasing the safety distances even further.

So apart from this being a hugely wasteful kind of sport (undoubtedly the most wasteful ever), it's also going to be boring as hell. Call me a nay-sayer, but I can't see this take off (no pun intended, haha).

In the land of cheese... (0, Troll)

BUL2294 (1081735) | more than 6 years ago | (#24234129)

...(a.k.a. Wisconsin), a bunch of beer-swilling drunks will be tailgating--eating Johnsonville brats and wearing foam cheese hats, watching "dem flyin' things" and bitching about Favre and Illinois toll roads.
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