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Mandriva Joins the Netbook Market With the GDium

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the price-is-all dept.

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AdamWill writes "Lately it's hard to avoid the buzz about netbooks — the small, cheap laptop systems that were popularized by the Asus Eee PC. Mandriva is providing the innovative operating system for the upcoming GDium netbook system, produced by Emtec. The first GDium will be a netbook with a 10", 1024x600 resolution display and a battery life of four hours, weighing in at 1.1kg. The innovative G-Key system stores the Mandriva operating system and all the user data on a USB key — nothing is permanently stored inside the GDium. You can use your own desktop and data by plugging the G-Key into any GDium."

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finally, something that has potential to show (2)

imrehg (1187617) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255183)

That's great, Mandriva is my ever fav linux distro, if I just want something that's readily prepared for me... Those guys have a lot of innovative ideas, and I'm glad to see there's something better than my EeePC's tortured Xandros....

Gayaplex? (5, Funny)

idiot900 (166952) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255189)

From the site:

10.
1024×600.
1.1Kg.
4 hours.
Mandriva Linux.
G-Key.
Gayaplex.

I understood the first six things on the list. But what the heck is a "Gayaplex"? I'm going to assume that it doesn't mean what its spelling implies...

Yes, it IS the fag film festival viewer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255211)

Why do you not already know this?

PC: faq=cig

Re:Gayaplex? (4, Informative)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255273)

Looks like Gayaplex is what they call their forthcoming social networking/educational "portal": http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:6V7GNDpoU-YJ:www.gdium.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/gdium_announcement-en.pdf+Gayaplex&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us [64.233.183.104]

Re:Gayaplex? (5, Funny)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255287)

Here I thought it was some special Mac OS X emulator...

Oh, snap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255385)

And I thought it was a Vista theme for Mandriva. Piano Black is all that!

Re:Gayaplex? (2, Funny)

andreyvul (1176115) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255969)

Really? I thought it would be called Aquaplex if it was an OS X emulator.

Re:Gayaplex? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255481)

Gayaplex?

I'm not suprised, since their name is so dangerously close to "Mangina"

Re:Gayaplex? (0)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255683)

they can the gay out of my port, thank you.

Re:Gayaplex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24256313)

Gayaplex is what they call their forthcoming social networking/educational "portal"

It certainly is.

Re:Gayaplex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255297)

It's FABULOUS!

Re:Gayaplex? (3, Insightful)

mikael (484) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255417)

Looks like they mis-spelled gaia, or they tried to mix gaia with maya, and got gaya. I wonder if the school boards and PTA's are going to pick up on this one?

Re:Gayaplex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255601)

Since you understand the first six things on the list, can you explain to us what it is they measured that was 1.1 kelvin-grams?

Re:Gayaplex? (1)

ypctx (1324269) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255613)

I will look that up, just pass me your GayDium.

Re:Gayaplex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255961)

just pass me your GayDium.

Sure, I'll squirt it right over

Re:Gayaplex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24256177)

This should be proof enough that Zune users are gay, squirting things to each others.

Re:Gayaplex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24259683)

I squirt things to my girlfriend all the time, does that make me gay? PS: I'm soooo sorry, I just had too.

Re:Gayaplex? (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#24259241)

It's a sorta online information / update / Shiny Stuff portal thingy (yeah, so I'm vague on the details :>). The naming comes from Emtec. I suspect whoever came up with it wasn't entirely aware of the implications...*sigh*

netbooks (5, Insightful)

zogger (617870) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255217)

It is headed the opposite direction, they are getting more expensive, not less, and gaining in size. When that first eeePC hit I thought "cool, pretty soon now the hundred buck blisterpack small notebook". Man, I was wrong.

Re:netbooks (3, Informative)

minginqunt (225413) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255311)

Well, the 9'' Eees are already pushing what's usable in that form factor anyway. Extended use of its keyboard makes an unhappy me.

The extra inch of the 1000 series makes all the difference in the world. But you lose some of teh tinies and teh cuteness.

It's a tradeoff.

Re:netbooks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255907)

Yeah man yeeeeeaaaaaaah BIG PENIS. That's right. It's like in the Final Fantasty 7, where you lose some of your max HP total when you equip some strong materia. It's a trade off.

tradeoff (2, Interesting)

zogger (617870) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256191)

ya, but already at the same price or getting more than a regular 14 inch laptop I can snag at local wallyworld off the shelf, and being a regular manual laborer, a pound or three difference means absolutely nothing to me, just not that big of a deal with me when it comes down to it, I carry around more weight than that with various tools stuck in my pockets all the time, 2 lbs or 5 lbs, meh, I don't care, 50 lbs sacks of mineral are at my low end of crap I have to move by hand all the time. I was more interested in portability with the built in battery and wireless connect action and low power and low price and comes with linux pre installed. Power goes out all the time here and my backup to run off a truck battery right now is an ancient powerbook, just thinking of getting something a little newer and more powerful for when that happens. Laptop size of today or smaller, just don't care that much as I'd be sitting right on top of the screen anyway, it can be smallish. Re; the keyboards..I wonder why they don't have a full size one that just folds out? Keep the small form factor but have a keyboard twice as big once it is opened up. Flip screen, left fold out, right fold out, done, full size. Yes it would have to be some thicker, but overall that would be nice. But...anyway..first the mega XO disappointment now these things right back up to expensive again (this new one in the article I don't see a price for yet). I'll wait, no biggee, no giant need for one, except once they get to a hundred bucks I'd get three of them-one for me and two for gifting- but at three hundred and higher I want none of them, I'd get a used newer laptop or a new one on sale at Christmas.

Re:tradeoff (1)

skolima (1159779) | more than 6 years ago | (#24257067)

Ever heard about "interpunction"? It's got actual rules, you know. For ease of understanding, you know....

Re:netbooks (2, Interesting)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255321)

Unfortunately, ASUS quickly figured out that there are plenty of people with more disposable dollars than sense when it comes to pricing of small, personal electronics. Still, I remember when simple calculators cost a *lot* of money -- eventually, the same value drop will have to occur with mini puters. I hope.

Re:netbooks (1)

xoundmind (932373) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255751)

These things ran for $280 in 1980 when my father bought one:
TI-57 [wikipedia.org] .
Got me through my mid-80s science curriculum pretty well.
The netbooks will fall in price eventually...just be patient.

Re:netbooks (4, Interesting)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256425)

Yeah, but at least they're becoming way more usable. The small low-res screen, shitty keyboard, low storage and relatively poor battery life made sure I wasn't getting myself the EEE 4G/700. Now Dell is coming up with the $299 "E" laptop [engadget.com] which appears to be what the EEE should've been all along, and I'm rather interested.

No matter how many unpaid overtime hours the Chinese kids work, there still is a certain price floor at the current technological level. I'd be quite satisfied if they just kept improving the product at the current price range until it's feasible to go lower without producing something completely useless.

Here ya on useability (3, Interesting)

zogger (617870) | more than 6 years ago | (#24257703)

Very good point, surfing today takes a bit more power than ten years ago for sure. That's why I wanted to upgrade my backup machine, that PB1400m that is a 1997 model, just not enough processor or RAM to be of much use for much longer. Thankfully you can still get an iCab browser for it that works pretty fair. Thanks for the link to that new Dell review! Getting closer! I'm still going to hold out a bit longer though, joe cheap here, heh.

Re:netbooks (2, Informative)

music_man_420 (1204100) | more than 6 years ago | (#24259851)

I heartily disagree. First of all, I purchased my EeePC 701 in December of last year and I have never looked back; despite the fact that I have the largest fingers of anyone I have ever met (no I haven't met any NBA players, I'm sure many of them have bigger hands then me). I'm not kidding, I couldn't get a grad ring in Grade 12 because even the largest size would not fit on my pinky finger. I have no complaints -- at all -- about the keyboard. Sure it isn't an IBM Model M but I don't find it any more annoying to type on then the keyboard on a standard 15.4 inch laptop. To be fair, though, I don't touch type. However my girlfriend does and she hasn't had any complaints about the EeePC's keyboard either.

As well I don't have any issues with the storage space. In fact, I would go as far as to say that I wish the EeePC 901 came with a 4GB HD because I simply have no need of a larger drive. Also, I would be absolutely shocked if any significant percentage of EeePC users use their EeePCs as desktop replacements. I would think that most people who buy EeePCs probably have a desktop at home, or at least another laptop. Personally I run an SSHFS serve on my desktop, which allows me to access my entire movie collection, as long as I am connected to my own network, or at least my entire music collection as long as I am connected to the internet at, at least, 512Kbits. As well, most people I know, who like to carry around a large amount of data, use external HDs rather then laptops anyway, so even if the user is incapable of using something like SSHFS, they may not care that much about disk space.

As far as battery life goes, I have been able to stretch my EeePC out to almost 9 hours, if I am not using it heavily. This has, so far, proved to be more then adequate for my usage, although mileage may vary.

And finally, yes, indeed, the low-res screen is a bit of a bitch. Although this can easily be mitagated (at least mostly) by using virtual desktops.

Personally I wish the EeePC, including it's keyboard, was a little bit SMALLER, as I currently can only fit it in the pockets of a couple of my pants, out of about 30 or so, and I don't like taking much stuff with me for the vast majority of my excursions.

In short I love the EeePC, and, knowing what I know now, I would find it very hard to choose between the 701, 901 and the Acer AsprieOne if I was in the market for my first subnotebook today.

Adam (Williamson or something like that) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255245)

is the guy managing public relations for Mandriva i.e. spamming message boards and stuf (see OSNews, for example).

Actually he's a nice guy and sometimes says interesting things, so I should not have said "spam", but posting just to put the reader in the right perspective.

Where is the disclaimer?!

Re:Adam (Williamson or something like that) (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#24259195)

Well, my name in the story is a link to my email address, which is @mandriva.com. But I agree that's a bit subtle. I just submit a story text to /. - it's up to them what to print. I guess they don't feel disclaimers are necessary. I suppose a lot of other stories submitted come from interested parties too...*shrug*

Ewwww.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255265)

Usb keys get lost or end up in the washing machine even more than small laptops do...

Re:Ewwww.... (1)

memojuez (910304) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255379)

I have to agree. Why carry two things with you if you don't have to. It is kind of backwards.

I can see to small extent using a G-Key for desktops, but in work environment roaming profiles work much better.

Re:Ewwww.... (1)

SignOfZeta (907092) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256741)

I can see to small extent using a G-Key for desktops, but in work environment roaming profiles work much better.

I agree. Take your G-Key from your home GDium to your work GDium, and you get to keep all of your Slashdot bookmarks and your porn collection -- a poor man's MobileMe. While the G-Key would be effective for desktops, but just redundant for portable machines. Plus, it would only be truly effective were there to be a GDium on every desk and every lap; barring any sort of significant market penetration, it's just a gimmick (though I'm sure it will have its fans).

Re:Ewwww.... (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#24259215)

It's mainly envisaged for the education market, AIUI. The idea is schools buy zillions of the GDiums and then kids can just carry their key from class to class or whatever. Also good for similar type office environments. The whole G-Key thing is really for that kinda setup, not for the individual end-user - I would expect people who buy a GDium to use as an individual consumer machine will just leave the G-Key plugged in pretty much all the time. No reason you can't do that.

Re:Ewwww.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255463)

That says more about the user than the technology. Don't be a careless oaf and you won't have any problems.

I have NEVER lost a computer, a USB drive/key or any personal electronic devices. It takes little effort to protect your belongings.

Re:Ewwww.... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255941)

I have NEVER lost a computer, a USB drive/key or any personal electronic devices.

Tell him what he's won!!!!!

Re:Ewwww.... (2, Insightful)

reset_button (903303) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255719)

What's worse is that USB keys are generally unreliable. If you're running your OS off one with all of the data I can easily imagine some important blocks becoming unaccessible in 6-12 months. As it is, I won't store anything I don't have backed up on one of these things.

Re:Ewwww.... (1)

maeka (518272) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255869)

What's worse is that USB keys are generally unreliable. If you're running your OS off one with all of the data I can easily imagine some important blocks becoming unaccessible in 6-12 months. As it is, I won't store anything I don't have backed up on one of these things.

Anecdotal evidence alert!
I've been running Ubuntu 7.04 off a 4GB thumbdrive for over a year now. What evidence is there that USB keys are unreliable? I've never had one fail.

Re:Ewwww.... (2, Informative)

reset_button (903303) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255959)

Yea of course it's anectodal, but I lost my data off 4 of them within 6 months, used for taking files to/from work. That's enough of a reason for me not to store my OS on one.

Re:Ewwww.... (1)

hostyle (773991) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256139)

Were they formatted as FAT/FAT32 (usually the default) ? Or something more robust. Anecdotal yes, but I've only lost data off them a couple of times and its been off FAT formatted ones both times.

Re:Ewwww.... (1)

reset_button (903303) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256247)

Yes, it was FAT. And yes, I know FAT sucks and all, but I didn't have a choice at the time.

Re:Ewwww.... (1)

hostyle (773991) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256315)

Then most likely and unfortunately you are blaming the USB stick itself when you should be blaming the crappy filesystem in use on it.

What's worse is that USB keys are generally unreliable. If you're running your OS off one with all of the data I can easily imagine some important blocks becoming unaccessible in 6-12 months. As it is, I won't store anything I don't have backed up on one of these things.

Chances are that its not the keys, its the FS. It sucks that you lost data. But learn your lesson - don't use FAT next time. Reformat as soon as you get it.

Re:Ewwww.... (1)

kesuki (321456) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256631)

i have a FAT formatted usb drive, and windows XP refuses to format it as anything other than fat, or fat 32, sure i could go ext2/3, but then it would be significantly harder to use it with windows.

BTW fat file systems are very annoying, i have to format my USB about ever 3-4 months, or else there will be issues reading/writing to it from linux.

if you format a fat device often enough it's reliable... if you let it go more than 4 months without a format then you're asking for trouble.

Re:Ewwww.... (2, Interesting)

david.given (6740) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256691)

i have a FAT formatted usb drive, and windows XP refuses to format it as anything other than fat, or fat 32...

Go hunt down the command line FORMAT command; you can use this to format the USB key as NTFS. If you're working off one, like I used to do, this makes all the difference. Not only is it much more robust it also supports things like symlinks, proper access flags, compressed files, etc. *And* with an NTFS file system XP will let you turn off the option to flush the cache after every write, which vastly speeds things up. (You just have to remember to unmount it before removing the device.)

Re:Ewwww.... (1)

yomegaman (516565) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256851)

A bad sector is a bad sector. The filesystem makes no difference.

Re:Ewwww.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24257755)

you make no difference... douchebag...

Re:Ewwww.... (2, Informative)

maeka (518272) | more than 6 years ago | (#24258655)

No, I meant my story was anecdotal.
That being said, none of the dozens of USB keys I use for work (FAT32) have suffered a single file loss.

Re:Ewwww.... (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 6 years ago | (#24257995)

"If you're running your OS off one with all of the data I can easily imagine some important blocks becoming unaccessible in 6-12 months."

Fine with me. USB keys are cheap and easy enough to back up.

GDium (4, Insightful)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255353)

From a cursory glance, I'd say I like this. It seems the first Linux distro that is actually tweaked to run from Flash RAM storage, rather than just a somewhat leaner generic Linux bolted on top of a SSD-based computer. Less logging, less unnecessary data to and from the storage, more stuff loaded into RAM. This is what I was hoping from the Eee PC's Xandros, but was disappointed (Xandros on the Eee PC is every bit of a normal Linux distro, with some of the less useful logfiles annoyingly and dangerously often updated).

Re:GDium (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255487)

Also, while not advertised it uses the MIPS-derived Loongson CPU. I don't know how it compares to Intel's ultraportable offerings performance-wise but I really like affordable non-x86 systems.

Come to think of it, nobody can install XP on MIPS and this is A Good Thing (TM).

OTOH (2, Informative)

ypctx (1324269) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255591)

On the other hand, you can't have a x86 distro on the flash key you use with your GDium, pull it out and plug it to your x86 desktop machine, and boot it. Deal breaker for me!

Universal Binaries, anyone? (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 6 years ago | (#24257731)

*In theory* a binary format such as Mach-O favoured by Apple could be used, booting from an architecture-neutral bootloader.

I'm not a low-level ones and zeros programmer so I'm not sure how much effort would be required to release such a dream.

Of course the limited capacity of the flash storage device would probably then be the deal breaker.

Re:OTOH (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#24259185)

Actually, in the future, there will be exactly that. Once we can economically ship 16GB G-Keys (at first they'll be 8GB, I believe), it'll have a x86 build of Mandriva on the key alongside the GDium build.

With the initial 8GB keys, this won't be the case, but you will be able to access the home partition from other machines.

Re:GDium (1)

wellingj (1030460) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255817)

I think DSL and SLAX were doing this for a while now....

Re:GDium (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 6 years ago | (#24257493)

I love SLAX! It can even be booted so that it completely runs from RAM. But unfortunately, the logging issue remains.

Re:GDium (1)

nfk (570056) | more than 6 years ago | (#24258501)

That part about "dangerously often" is controversial. If the SSD balances its wear, it should last for a long time, according to http://clumpc.com/?p=21 [clumpc.com]

Loaded with homoerotic terms... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255389)

Use MANdriva Linux to login to our Gayaplex using your Gkey?

Come out with your Gdium!

Re:Loaded with homoerotic terms... (1)

fotoguzzi (230256) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255699)

(Didn't read tfa.) Do you stick it in the back?

Re:Loaded with homoerotic terms... (1)

hostyle (773991) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256143)

You can stick it wherever you like.

Re:Loaded with homoerotic terms... (1)

Cannelloni (969195) | more than 6 years ago | (#24260253)

Fits in your handbag!

A Comparison (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255421)

With a half pound more and a FireWire flash key (from Micromat) you can boot the MacBook Air with reliability & speed and a 13" screen, and an internal hard drive to use however you want (encrypted data or take it out).

There are new things coming and I think these options are good.

Re:A Comparison (1)

BoRegardless (721219) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255455)

Ahem...I misstated in a FireWire flash key. Indeed you need to use a USB key on the MacBook Air.

FireWire Flash key is used on my Mac Book Pro.

Re:A Comparison (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24256635)

I don't think that weight is the issue for most people. Most people buy the eee because it has such a small form factor, not because it weighs little.

Re:A Comparison (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24256667)

And the fact that even the highest-end eee models are less than half the price of an Air.

Why MIPS? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255439)

CPU 900 Mhz 64bits Loongson(TM) 2F [wikipedia.org] with only 512 MB of RAM. It's interesting enough but it'll have to be cheap since the only thing I'd use this for is casual browsing.

Approx $420... (3, Funny)

CBob (722532) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255565)

Humbug.

I can live with cute, small, slow & quirky if it's CHEAP.

I can live with cute, small, fast & innovative if it's CHEAP.

$420 is refurb "normal" laptop range. I REALLY want a cheap laptop/notepad/"wtf is that thing?", but I want cheap.

Re:Approx $420... (3, Insightful)

vidarh (309115) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255955)

You miss the point. For the people buying these things, small and light are the main features. Small and light have so far usually meant ridiculously expensive (i.e. Sony Vaio expensive). What's new is laptops with tolerable performance that are small, light and price wise in "normal" laptop range or below.

You can get lots of cheap laptops. Problem is they're usually 3.5kg+ and huge beasts that really are more like desktops in a laptop packaging.

no he's not.he gets the point (2, Interesting)

zogger (617870) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256381)

Cheap is definetly part of the appeal of a small portable low specced computing device. In fact it is right up there in the article summary ->""Lately it's hard to avoid the buzz about netbooks -- the small, cheap laptop systems that were popularized by the Asus Eee PC." We had small and light before, but they were expensive. The asus was an immediate hit because the original one was *loads* cheaper than anything else out there, and the OLPC XO project suffered terminal extreme dumbness and couldn't get it into gear to really hit a hundred bucks and get them out onto the market. Asus changed the cheap part of the equation, but then they got weird about it and they started moving away from the smaller part of the equation, and started bumping the price back up and making them bigger and now they are back to getting medium expensive again and are in the same price range as low end normal laptops. Yes, right now people who are buying them want that ultra lightness, but a lot more people would be buying something similar as the price goes down, and they can stay small and low specced. There's a huge market for small AND cheap, not just one or the other. One of those big companies is going to grok this and hit the market with it. Hmm, bad car analogy time! Sport! Tata motors grokked that with cars and came out with their 2500 dollar nano car. They will sell zillions of them because around the planet none of the other car companies grokked that! they were going the opposite direction, bigger, more bloat, worsening mileage, getting way too expensive. Good for some I guess, but not for everyone. Cheap is a prime criteria for a few billion people. At 25 grand, they would never get to have a new car, at 2.5 grand, it starts to get really affordable for a lot more people, and you make your profit in volume sales.

Re:Approx $420... (3, Interesting)

despisethesun (880261) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256257)

Bear in mind that that pricing probably includes the VAT, which non-Europeans won't have to pay. That brings the price down a little closer to, say, an EEE 701 (I paid a little under $375CAD for my 701 including 5% GST). So if that price is correct, it's competitive with other netbooks. I might grab one just to have a MIPS machine to play with. I also installed Mandriva on my EEE and am quite happy with it, so that's icing on the cake.

Re:Approx $420... (1)

despisethesun (880261) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256485)

Ouch, I take it back. 400 Euros is nowhere near $420. Not worth it, IMO.

Re:Approx $420... (1)

AdamWill (604569) | more than 6 years ago | (#24259165)

As it says, the pricing isn't finalized.

I honestly actually have no idea what the U.S. pricing will be. I haven't seen any numbers on that. I expect it'll probably be competitive with the Eee 900 / 1000 range and the Acer Aspire, which are kinda the most obvious competition I guess. But yeah, there's no finalized price set yet that I know of.

Well it's certainly a niche (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255567)

It's not a value proposition. It's something else. Because I can get a 'real' notebook, somewhat more clunky and heavy, such as a Lenovo R61 with SuSE Linux pre installed for $700. For $636 you can get Vista, remove it and install your own Linux.

Re:Well it's certainly a niche (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255871)

somewhat more clunky and heavy

Bingo!

Re:Well it's certainly a niche (3, Interesting)

vidarh (309115) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255977)

These devices fit in the bag I use to and from work, and about 1-1.2kg extra doesn't bother me. A "normal" laptop doesn't fit with all the other stuff I carry around, and weigh too much. The size difference also means a great deal when traveling in terms of how much extra space I get in my carry on for other items (which means less likelihood of having to check in a bag, which means less time wasted at the airport, which makes me a hell of a lot happier about business travel)

Re:Well it's certainly a niche (1)

gelfling (6534) | more than 6 years ago | (#24257115)

Yeah I suppose. I would not like to be compelled into any long term use of a 10" screen though. What you're telling me is that it's your 'other' PC. Of course the selling point of THIS unit is that it's NO PC. You deploy these everywhere in your organization and simply hand out USB drives to everyone. A kind of hybrid thin client.

Mandriva is the system what needs Linux OS (0, Redundant)

Fri13 (963421) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255625)

Linux is the OS
Mandriva is the complete system
The system works because of Linux
Check the facts, type "sysinfo:/" to konqueror address bar and you get system information.
Type "uname" to CLI and you get OS name what follows POSIX standard.
So Mandriva is the OS but it is just a small part of complete system :)

So, we talk about Mandriva Linux here, what is great Linux distribution and I'm going to buy small laptop where I can install Mandriva, currently 2008 Spring in use.

Re:Mandriva is the system what needs Linux OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24256591)

Wrong.

Linux is the kernel
Mandriva is the OS (i.e. the "complete system")

GDium? (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255635)

What in the world is GodDamniun? Is that what the thing is made of?

Re:GDium? (1)

Knuckles (8964) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255883)

I'll wait for the Tdium.

Re:GDium? (1)

grcumb (781340) | more than 6 years ago | (#24257419)

I'll wait for the Tdium.

Won't that get boring?

Simon says... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24255901)

Wasn't Mandriva that big black chick on American Idol?

So let me get this straight... (4, Interesting)

jrothwell97 (968062) | more than 6 years ago | (#24255931)

As I understand this, the root partition is stored on the machine's internal ROM. The user's home folder sits on the USB key, along with something that somehow links to /etc/passwd to provide authentication. The key is automatically mounted when inserted. Correct me if I'm wrong.

This doesn't sound particularly promising - it would be very easy to lose the key. I also fail to see why, when most ultra-sub-notebooks are bought by a person for their use, and their use only.

Also, will the home folder on the key be accessible when plugging into another computer, say, a desktop running OS X, Windows or another Linux distro? If so, it would kind-of defeat the object. Emtec would be entering the market very late, so they can't expect this to take the market by storm. If it doesn't, it kind-of defeats the object of sticking everything on a USB key.

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

dbcad7 (771464) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256587)

I'd imagine if the key was lost you could still log in as root and create a new user. (I suppose you would need another blank key).. you can probably have multiple keys for different users, have one set up for say business stuff, and another for multimedia.. or whatever you want... Don't know if it would be possible to "log on" in another machine to the key but I imagine it could be set up to do that for say your own desktop at home (probably requiring a version of Mandriva that is compatible), but depending upon the permissions I would think you might be able to access the data on most other Linux boxes.. now losing the key that's just it's own problem, and data would be gone unless backed up.

This setup is probably good for some people.. brings up some interesting scenarios at the airport if they want to search your files.. I have of course read about the laptop searches, but I wonder what they do, if anything, about someone carrying multiple thumb drives ? .. and what do they do if you have drives but no machine ?

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

keneng (1211114) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256697)

Mr. Rothwell, you are incorrect.
1)You said:"As I understand this, the root partition is stored on the machine's internal ROM."

Everything, the operating system and the user files are on the USB Key. Nothing is actually on the computer.

2)You said:"This doesn't sound particularly promising - it would be very easy to lose the key."

If you lose a USB FLASH Storage, you lose everything, I will grant you that. On the postive note, If you are wise enough to place the G-Key with your wallet and not the laptop then when the unfortunate circumstance of having someone steal your cool laptop arises, you lose a data-less laptop. That is promising and quite valuable for those who have had their laptop stolen with sensitive data on them.
An 8GB FLASH Storage is actually easier to backup than a 40GB Hard Drive with lots of noise.

3)You said:"Also, will the home folder on the key be accessible when plugging into another computer, say, a desktop running OS X, Windows or another Linux distro?"

That depends on two things:
a)if your other computer is able to mount an ext3 file system. From what I understand the G-Key is an ext3-file system. Most Linux flavors mount ext3 with ease, but most Windows PC's can't. You will have to find other non-Microsoft software to do this.
b)you won't be able to boot of the G-Key on an intel based computer because the GDium is running a non-intel-based CPU Loongson 2F. Odds are you can't boot of the G-Key from another computer unless you have a Loongson 2F based computer hanging around your house. Lemote.com actually sell another computer that runs with the same CPU and configuration, but running a Debian-based OS.
I would bet you slip in the G-Key into this baby and it will run, and if not it will at least mount with no issues.

FYI The Loongson has its roots from MIPS. In fact this version is MIPS R4 compliant if I remember the specs correctly. This Loongsoon 2F runs with 5 Watts of power if I recall correctly.

4)You said:"Emtec would be entering the market very late"

Again you are mistaken, they are a pioneer in selling an affordable open-source geared-for-privacy "plug-key" solution.
(not turn-key hahaha get it doh!)

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

jrothwell97 (968062) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256833)

In this case, it means that losing the key, the smallest component, would mean the computer becomes useless. In that case, it would be better to have the base OS on the computer's ROM, especially because it's easier to lose a USB key than a notebook.

Also, I disagree with your statement about Emtec being a pioneer in this respect. The ultra-sub-notebook/netbook market is generally split into a high-end and low-end - the low end is dominated by the Asus Eee PC, and the high end has been practically cornered by the MacBook Air. Both of these machines have been selling like hotcakes, and the others were all somewhat late into the market. Emtec is, therefore, going to be very late onto the market at this rate. It's like the iPod - it was an early example of an HDD music player which was one of the first which was a truly usable concept. Most HDD players before that were, TBH, slow and rubbish. It got in early, and it's still going strong to this day: the same, I think, will go for the Eee and the Air.

As open-source software and OSes go, it may be pioneering, but I think as a computer and production OS the concept is utterly flawed, and they've entered the market very, very late.

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

12357bd (686909) | more than 6 years ago | (#24260377)

I thing you are not getting the point:

The key is 'your computer', you can use it in any GDium machine. Decoupling user-data+system from hardware (internal hard disks) can be really useful in a lot of situations.

So the whole 'if you lose-it...' thing is meaningless, the system is designed to be that way, and for a good reason.

On a personal note, IMHO Mandriva is maybe the best linux distro, by far, give-it a try.

Re:So let me get this straight... (1)

jrothwell97 (968062) | more than 6 years ago | (#24260447)

But the key introduces a critical weakness to the system: it's small, so it's easy to lose. I still think that sitting the OS on internal storage would make things better, and provide some kind of insurance policy against losing the key.

On a personal note, IMHO Mandriva is maybe the best linux distro, by far, give-it a try.

Where do you work at Mandravia?... [/sarcasm]

Education! (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 6 years ago | (#24259837)

I have no doubt that they're targeting these at the education market - or markets with similar use. There are a lot of schools undergoing "one laptop, one child" type initiatives right now, trying to get a laptop to every student. It's a massive IT burden for many schools.

On the other hand, a school could buy a couple hundred of these and be "ready to go" with pretty much everything a student could actually need, and there'd be little/no maintenance required. Just issue each student a laptop and a USB key, and away they go... lose the key? Just replace it. And if the laptop gets damaged, the students' work is still on the key.

I have little doubt... (1)

hyades1 (1149581) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256039)

...that careless use of an unprotected Mandriva USB key will soon lead to the first-ever case of a new and virulent computer virus known as "GAIDS": GDium Acquired, Idiot-Delivered Sickness.

Sigh. If only they'd taken proper care of their BitDefender or Clam, everything would have been OK.

no "windows" button (1)

contrapunctus (907549) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256073)

I'm just happy it has no wondows button.
I know it's stupid, but I've been meaning to by a linux laptop but I haven't because it would infuriate me to see that button on it!...

Re:no "windows" button (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24256141)

wondows button. I know it's stupid

Wondows sure sounds stupid.

Re:no "windows" button (1)

nawcom (941663) | more than 6 years ago | (#24257201)

He/She just wants to by it. Please respect the stupid minded ones.

Re:no "windows" button (1)

angrykeyboarder (791722) | more than 6 years ago | (#24257365)

It would infuriate you?

Wow....

More Netbooks? Ugh, bring back the Newton (0, Offtopic)

dada21 (163177) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256327)

I had every iteration of the Apple Newton MessagePad up to the last one (2100? Can't remember). I loved the size: smaller than my laptop (literally a laptop, not a portable, because it needed 120VAC), larger than a PDA. Everything about it was efficient for me. But they killed it.

If Apple could take the iPhone and make it 4x bigger (2x in each dimension), I'd jump on it in 3 seconds, even with the simple OS. There's just too much there that would destroy many of these netbooks, which in my opinion are just too limited to be functional. I want one, but not without a built in GPS hardware/stack of some sort for telecom.

Apple, are you listening?

Re:More Netbooks? Ugh, bring back the Newton (1)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256715)

I just picked up a Mobile Computing m1300 on eBay for a few hundred bucks -- it's one of the "slate" style tablets, essentially just a big PDA. If you're missing the Newton, you might want to check out something like this.

--saint

G-Keys? Gayaplex? (1)

Inner_Child (946194) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256721)

So the GDium uses G-Keys to access data through Gayaplex (the previously mentioned portal)... though a wireless G-Spot? Mandriva must not expect to sell many of these.

Wow (1)

KasperMeerts (1305097) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256871)

This thing looks so awesome. Too bad it'll probably never get enough market share for those GKey's to become even more interesting. Image going to a LAN-party or something and only bringing a USB stick (and a spare possibly).
This could also kill or at least diminish the hardware incompatibility issues Linux sometimes has.

I gave up on netbooks... (2, Insightful)

Jorophose (1062218) | more than 6 years ago | (#24256923)

The day that VIA claimed its Nano is only for 10"+ laptops...

That and the fact that the HP Mininote has all the potential to be the best subnotebook... But the screen is too glossy (they need to have a matte option), the thing gets pretty hot, the CPU is not very good for the task, and not to mention the exact same laptop (except maybe there's no speakers on the side of the screen for the Dell?) but the Dell happens to be 64-bit and 200$ cheaper... VIA needs to swoop in and supply them with cheap nanos, or they're going to die against the Atom.

This new mandriva laptop doesn't look too great. For 400$+ it's really exorbitant pricing. What advantage does this have over an Asus eee901, really now? I can remove my SSD (I think) and use a flash drive as a boot device... And the only real advantage I can see to having your OS on a stick like this is if you get robbed; but even then if you can yank out a USB flash drive out of a thief's hands as he runs off with your laptop, why couldn't you just hold onto the laptop?

They ought to make a WomanDriva too (1)

Cannelloni (969195) | more than 6 years ago | (#24260267)

This focus on male drivers is just wrong.
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