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Computer Mouse Heading For Extinction

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the how-much-would-you-like-to-bet dept.

Input Devices 625

slatterz writes "The computer mouse is set to die out in the next five years and will be usurped by touch screens and facial recognition, analysts believe. Steven Prentice, vice president and Gartner Fellow, told the BBC that devices such as Nintendo's MotionPlus for the Wii and Apple's iPhone point the way to the future, offering greater accuracy in motion detection."

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The end of one-handed surfing? (5, Funny)

hedronist (233240) | more than 5 years ago | (#24267073)

But ... but ... I have a relationship with my mouse! It's one of the two things I have my hand on all day long. Oh, behave! I meant my keyboard.

Somewhat more seriously, do you really want your screen to have ... stuff all over it? Personally, I don't let anyone touch my screen. Or imagine an office with everyone yelling at their computer, "No, God damn it! The other left!"

Re:The end of one-handed surfing? (-1, Offtopic)

RuBLed (995686) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267245)

So true and besides Blizzard have yet to release Diablo 3 at around the same time...

Another GUI intervention lies just ahead (5, Funny)

antek9 (305362) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267273)

Next up: the combination of both those future bound GUI technologies, The WiiPhone (TM). It doesn't have any screen at all, you just throw it at whoever you want to talk to! Now if all things were that simple...

Re:The end of one-handed surfing? (5, Informative)

racermd (314140) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267321)

While I completely agree that I don't want anyone touching my screen (yuk!), there ARE better methods of inputting x/y coordinate data than a computer mouse. A tablet is certainly effective, but a little bulky for most desks. The trackball is also effective, but equally disgusting to me unless it's cleaned regularly. The track-stick is favored by many, but I never found it truly useful - probably because I can't seem to get the hang of it.

Another point to make is that the Wii Remote is (with the exception of the accelerometers) functionally identical to a computer mouse with the optical eye reading many images per second to detect motion. The method by which the receiving end translates the data into x/y coordinate data is certainly different, though.

Re:The end of one-handed surfing? (5, Interesting)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267511)

I'm all for it.

I love to skateboard, but by-and-large it's a lopsided method of exercise unless you constantly switch stance. I'd love to interact with my raster using two hands but the mouse has the advantage of configurability -- that is, you can change the cursor's speed and velocity to get more from less wtih the added bonus that it's a lot less intrusive onscreen than fingers are.

[sarcasm] Let's blame this on the gamers for holding back progress. First they prevent Linux from widespread desktop adoption and now this![/sarcasm]

Re:The end of one-handed surfing? (4, Insightful)

lastchance_000 (847415) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267623)

You can have my mouse when you pry it from my cold, dead, fingers.

In theory, I'll agree. (5, Insightful)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 5 years ago | (#24267075)

But in practice, it will take a lot more than 5 years. 25 years, maybe.

Re:In theory, I'll agree. (5, Insightful)

SignOfZeta (907092) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267125)

Even if the mouse dies tomorrow, it's not going to disappear overnight. Steve Jobs isn't going to bust down your door, seize your mice, or nail an iPhone over your trackpads. Parallel ports, PS/2 ports, and floppy disks were all declared "dead" a long time ago, but their corpses aren't being buried too quickly. And while we're at it, what about all those zombie processes on your system?

Re:In theory, I'll agree. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267347)

Dont forget: joysticks.

There is no way in hell the mouse is going to disappear, especially not to touchscreens, for the same reason joysticks are still around: games. Try playing a game with a touchscreen and not a mouse, not as much fun. There are some things touchscreens can replace, but FPS games are not one of them, and that is a BIG game segment.

Re:In theory, I'll agree. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267397)

If I had mod points, they'd be yours. As an avid gamer, I'm certainly not going to use a touchscreen only interface. Such things are great for limited applications (multimedia PCs, phones, etc.), but they'll never work for gaming (except maybe RTS).

Re:In theory, I'll agree. (5, Interesting)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267529)

I wouldn't use a touchscreen for an FPS either...and I don't think that's what the article was getting at. I'd imagine the Wii-style "gun" movement is what would replace mice for those kinds of games, and as good as I have become at "shooting" with a mouse I still look forward to having the motion interface become the standard.

Re:In theory, I'll agree. (1)

Kneo24 (688412) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267617)

Zombies you say? That's what my trusty shotgun is for!

Re:In theory, I'll agree. (3, Insightful)

Enry (630) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267129)

This. I've been using mice since 1986(ish). It's not going away anytime soon as touchscreens aren't standard on desktops. and I rarely use my touchscreen on my laptop - I'll use the mouse instead. There will have to be a big UI shift before mice become obsolete and disappear. The speed that Linux and Windows move at means this will take a long long time to do.

Re:In theory, I'll agree. (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267349)

I used to be involved in running the control room for our state road authority. The voice switch had a touch screen interface but it was absolutely terrible for RSI.

UI consultants advised us that the input surface needs to be flat to the desk so we had custom keyboards made up.

Re:In theory, I'll agree. (0)

irtza (893217) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267171)

kinda like how the floppy drive stuck around for 25 years? I haven't had one in a computer for the last 6 years.

I think the wii remote is the natural transition. it can effectively function as a mouse drop-in relacement for current apps and have added function for new ones... kinda like a wheel-mouse.

in fact, you might as well add a 2D wheel on it.

Re:In theory, I'll agree. (5, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267295)

The Wii remote has *lots* of problems for general use. First off is the big one. Your arm gets tired after about an hour or so of use as a pointer. I can use the mouse for around 4 hours at a time without being tired. And secondly it isn't accurate. I can get a mouse to hit just about anything on a screen but it takes a lot more time to hit a link in Opera.

Re:In theory, I'll agree. (2, Insightful)

irtza (893217) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267489)

well, I was thinking of a transition device - maintain mouse functionality - motion on the table and have the ability to use it off the table as well in the same fashion as the wii remote. Keep in mind I don't play games and have used the wii remote only once in my life and wasn't the biggest fan.

Personally, I believe that a myriad of new input methods will displace - not replace standard input options. Voice recognition, improved "mouse", touchscreen in combination are a versatile solution for a populace that DOES NOT USE A COMPUTER FOR 8 HOURS A DAY. Another poster commented that the floppy and mouse are completely different. I only brought that up to suggest that timeframes in the computer industry move quickly and it doesn't take much time to displace the standard.

If people could buy a "mouse" with off table motion capabilities, they would. The application layer would follow.

Re:In theory, I'll agree. (3, Insightful)

antek9 (305362) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267381)

Uh, right, floppy disks, I can see how that is _just_ the same thing. Except, floppies were replaced by something (actually, a myriad of things, from CDs to removable flash memory, and Blu-ray) better, whereas the Wii-Mote: cool-factor -- great. Accuracy and user-friendliness (try to use one for eight business hours on end) -- not so good.

And no, I wouldn't recommend using a Sixaxis or Dualshock controller either, at least not for that purpose.

Re:In theory, I'll agree. (4, Insightful)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267175)

And don't forget the hell all those fingerprints will create on your screen. No way I'm going to finger my screen.

So the mouse will probably remain for the foreseeable future.

Remember how keyboards died out? (3, Funny)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267567)

Twenty years ago I saw exactly the same predictions about keyboards and some people laughed them off. Look how fast keyboards disappeared, replaced by the mouce and voice recognition. Within a couple of years they were completely gone.

If the keyboard could get killed of then why can't the mouse?

People bitch about RSI etc when using a keyboard/mouse. VR or reaching across your desk to operate a touch screen will be far more strain over a day of desk work or a few hours of gaming/emailing whatever.

About the only area where touch screen is practical is in walk-up kiosks and handheld devices.

5 years? (5, Insightful)

arse maker (1058608) | more than 5 years ago | (#24267105)

hahahhahahahaha I call bullshit on that. Taking all bets.

Because the mouse is old will never replace the fact it is an incredibly intuitive and powerful HID. You can use it all day without getting sore (mostly) and best of all, it wont accidentally trash half your files if you sneeze and move your hand at the same time.

Voice recognition! This time for sure! (4, Interesting)

khasim (1285) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267179)

Don't forget that every so often some "analyst" will predict that "voice recognition" will replace whatever input method you currently use.

Still hasn't happened.

Re:Voice recognition! This time for sure! (4, Insightful)

arse maker (1058608) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267235)

Never will, who wants to talk all day? Though I personally feel like voice recognition will become a supplement. I can imagine saying "close window" etc as being useful. Though, if you aren't alone, you are going to look like you have lost your mind. I also don't want someone walking past being able to tell my computer to trash half my files :)

Re:Voice recognition! This time for sure! (1)

TheCastro (1329551) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267461)

I remember that, oh and shouldn't we all be driving flying cars and have cell phones inside our bodies and colonized the moon?

Re:5 years? (4, Insightful)

D'Sphitz (699604) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267309)

Yep I agree. I can't imagine sitting here all day with my arms extended pushing on the screen. It may work for ATM's but I can't see anyone who works on a computer all day accepting a touch screen any time soon, or ever.

analysts...or just bored idiots? (2, Insightful)

Botched (1314867) | more than 5 years ago | (#24267109)

meh, that just stupid. So I can hold my hand up in the air to get 3-d motion on a 2-d interface? Or rest my hand on the desktop and get 2-d motion in a 2-d interface... hmm, tough choice.

Re:analysts...or just bored idiots? (2, Interesting)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267203)

I have a couple games for the Playstation Eye. They show really well why gesture recognition won't replace mice any time soon. Ignoring the fact that gesture recognition has no where near the accuracy, it's just plain tiring to be holding your hands up for more than twenty minutes.

Re:analysts...or just bored idiots? (3, Insightful)

Original Replica (908688) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267599)

I agree, gaming is a major driving force in the advancement of PCs from a consumer point of view. It's why graphics cards exist. It's why 30' monitors are cool. It's why CPUs and Ram get upgraded. Touch screen for games would be a disaster for two major reasons: The fact that you have to block your vision to the part of the screen you are interacting with and the way touch screens pull you out of the world of the game. When I play City of Heroes, I pretty quickly stop thinking about my interactions with the computer itself, and just enjoy the game. Watching myself put my hands on the screen would only serve destroy the illusion. That illusion is what makes the games fun. Guitar Hero is fun because the game's input device adds to the illusion.
Why is a mouse more immersive than a touchscreen? Because once I put my hand on the mouse, my brain mostly overlooks the idea that my hand and the mouse pointer at seperate. The pointer exists there in cyberspace, and my brains uses it to influence the world in cyberspace. I am mostly unaware of my hand physically holding the mouse. With a touchscreen, my meatspace hand is only interacting when I hold it up to the screen, where it blocks my view and reminds my brain of the separation between meatspace and cyberspace.

Re:analysts...or just bored idiots? (5, Funny)

afidel (530433) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267293)

Actually it's Gartner so your best bet is to buy stock in Logitech as it's more likely that there will be a great surge in demand for mice in the next 5 years =)

Not by a long shot (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#24267119)

Sure, touch screens have advantages in some areas, but overall they are not a replacement for a mouse.

Not only that, but 5 years? Thats silly.

Re:Not by a long shot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267613)

I can understand a touch screen being more intuitive, but they totally suck in practical terms as an input device.

A big, obscuring hand right over what you want to see? Poor precision (the tip of my mouse cursor is probably smaller than that of a toothpick)? Greasy smudges over what you're trying to see?

The mouse might, one day, vanish (though I don't see any compelling replacements at the moment), but I doubt that the touchscreen will be what replaces it.

The last thing I'd want (5, Insightful)

phantomlord (38815) | more than 5 years ago | (#24267123)

The last thing I'd want is fingerprints smudged all over my monitor. I'll still with my mouse, thanks.

Re:The last thing I'd want (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267345)

And, for applications such as graphic manipulation, eye movement and touch screen just will not cut it.

Re:The last thing I'd want (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267353)

The last thing I'd want is fingerprints smudged all over my monitor. I'll still with my mouse, thanks.

Like a lot of us, I'm sure, I use computers a good 12 hours or more a day. If I had to lift my entire arm off the desk that much to touch the screen, I think my arm would be killing me by the end of the first day. I'd do everything with hotkeys. Call me lazy, but I'd rather not be in pain while doing my job.

Luckily, I have long arms. I can't imagine being someone with short arms, but who likes the monitor to be far away from them on the desk. You'd be constantly reaching forward and leaning back.

Sorry Bill. I like things the way they are now. If you can find someone better then I'd like to see it. But touch-screens aint it.

Re:The last thing I'd want (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267527)

You assume the screen will be located vertically If the screen is diagonal or horizontal then it wouldn't be as much a problem. And if you complain about neck strain remember for many years before the computer people used paper which was for the most part diagonal or horizontal

I think you're forgetting something... (1)

lowlymarine (1172723) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267127)

Mouse is heading for extinction, eh? You try playing Counter-Strike with a tablet or touchscreen and get back to me on that.

Ohhhh, crystal balling bullshit, gotta love it! (5, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267137)

The advent of the mouse killed the keyboard, too, after all. And the internet made TV obsolete, which killed newspapers a few decades ago.

Slowly I get really fed up with such predictors. I have a touchscreen. Actually, I'm using it right now as a display for writing this. Do I use it? Usually, no. I use it at certain special occasions, but it certainly does not replace my mouse. Why? Because it's inconvenient! I have to lift my arm, lean to my screen, aim with my finger and ... miss usually my mark.

And now, try to right-click. Or do a sensible click-drag operation.

Seriously, does anyone still listen to those modern soothsayers?

Re:Ohhhh, crystal balling bullshit, gotta love it! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267473)

You can probably get some sort of right click and click drag operation using multitouch technology or something of that sort. But it would still involve a learning curve that society will still take years to actually get used to. More than five, in any case.

It won't happen (2, Insightful)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267143)

Touchcreens just aren't accurate enough for real computers. They are used for things like phones because there's no convenient way to put a mouse on a phone.

Re:It won't happen (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267373)

Systems which detect the way your eyes are pointing might be good for controlling input focus. That is about the only practical advance I can see coming.

Typical Gartner Crap (5, Insightful)

Carcass666 (539381) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267145)

So, to increase accuracy, I'm supposed to slap at the screen with my pizza-slopped fingers? Facial recognition? Maybe banging my head on my desk will act as a signal to restart Windows yet again.

Somebody who has some obscure input device, which will "kill the mouse", probably paid Gartner to conduct yet another bogus study that seeks to convince people what technology to use as opposed to demonstrate what they are actually using.

Re:Typical Gartner Crap (1)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267651)

So, to increase accuracy, I'm supposed to slap at the screen with my pizza-slopped fingers?

Is getting pizza sauce all over your mouse really any better ?

Though I do admit that finger prints would be my primary concern. However, I wouldn't touch any input device with pizza-slopped fingers.

Sure it will (3, Interesting)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267163)

I wonder if the author has ever tried to stand upright and move a Wiimote around for 8 hours a day 5 days a week.

No? Can't handle it? Didn't think so.

Motion input is cool for things like games but it will never replace the mouse because humans simply are not designed to hold their arms out in front of their bodies for long periods of time.

I can just see it now... (1)

Titan1080 (1328519) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267169)

In the WoW forums, people will be made fun of for being a winker, instead of a clicker.

This is not news, this is not true. (1)

ornia (1225132) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267187)

This is not news, because it's not true. Five years is nowhere near long enough for any change to occur in an input device which almost every desktop and laptop workstation uses. Think about it: all they point to are the Wii controller and touch screens on smart phones. These are horrible indicators for gaging the future of general purpose computer trends.

The Wii is a gaming console, and the iPhone is a cell phone. They are devices which fit into a very specific market and therefore have evolved to have input mechanisms that work well within that market. Not to mention that both of these examples are not comparable in any way: TVs/projectors aren't touchscreens, and iPhones don't point at anything.

If you expect us to believe the mouse is going away so soon, then you need to show us the currently available viable alternative that not only fulfills the functionality of the mouse, but surpasses it. To believe that such a method of input is not only available now, but also will be inexpensive enough to acheive market dominance over a device which basically every desktop/laptop user has grown accustomed to... it's just plain silly.

This seems like more of a troll statement to get clicks or news coverage than anything else.

keyboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267195)

As long as I have a keyboard I could care less about the mouse

Bah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267197)

So touch-screens will cost $5?

I haven't used a mouse in months, but you'll have to pry my trackpoint from my cold dead fingertip.

Re:Bah (1)

Ihmhi (1206036) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267217)

Yeah, when I can pick up a touchscreen for even $50 that doesn't work like shit, then I'll believe it will replace mice.

Technology is about getting the job done in the best, cheapest, and most efficient way. Right now touchscreens fail two for three. It might be nice to actually see where you are moving directly, but it sure as Hell isn't cheap and it doesn't work as well or as smoothly as a mouse.

And then there are touchpads (1)

Haoie (1277294) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267225)

Already thesedays they're complusory for laptops/notebooks [being built into the system]. Will they become more commonplace for desktops too?

Re:And then there are touchpads (1)

enoz (1181117) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267503)

Touchpads are a tradeoff between convenience and mobility, that is why you rarely see them on desktop systems.

On desktop systems you would either see a mouse or a digital tablet (such as a Wacom tablet).

Re:And then there are touchpads (1)

mikael (484) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267589)

That seems a cool idea - I would happily give up any mouse just to have a simple little mini-tablet that I could just use a single finger to use. Although fingerpads do tend to get a little "trigger happy" if the input event times aren't set correctly.

My personal preference would be a touch-sensitive E-ink screen that could be used as a virtual notepad, so that it would be possible to draw diagrams, write handwritten text, then move these items around to create space, and even maintain a revision history, so that changes could be seen over a period of months over a whole set of pages, not just for the current edit session of the current page, and previous pages could be flipped backwards and forwards, cut and pasted. Current edit systems just seem to treat every image as a totally separate document, which requires great effort to transfer an image.

Another prediction of doom (5, Insightful)

tftp (111690) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267227)

will be usurped by touch screens and facial recognition

I guess the guy never used touch screens, that's why he is so sure. And nobody "used" facial recognition so far, that makes it even a better idea...

The most basic issue here is the interface. People don't write with facial contortions. We write with our hands. Why? Because our hands are the most precise tools that we have, and they are well built for the task.

However our hands (and arms) are not good for holding them, for hours, in front of a vertical surface of a screen. Many screens are positioned so that the "touch" interface is therefore impossible. Besides, there isn't enough precision in our fingers even if we wear claw-like stylus. Mouse can be, and often is configured to translate larger movement of the sensor into a very precise, sub-millimeter movement of the cursor. This is necessary in most applications, selecting from a menu being an example. Touch screens do not allow this "magnification" of the movement, as well as any non-linear response (that is also common.)

The input devices will likely change over time, but unless our bodies change also the mouse or a touchpad interface will remain useful for a long time, just like a keyboard. I personally believe that we will have direct brain control over the mouse and keyboard functions earlier than we will be able to replace the mouse with a better mouse - it's a simpler task. It's also probably possible to design a crude AI that is just enough to decode speech; but the speech interface is not very efficient either - try to talk for an hour and see what happens to your throat.

All these predictions are just noise made by people who want to attract undeserved attention. There is nothing wrong with a mouse as it is now, and there should be no rush to replace it with something that is not tested and by all reasoning can't even work. The mouse works, we test it for decades by now.

Re:Another prediction of doom (1)

munpfazy (694689) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267429)

Wait, what?

You really configure your mouse so the cursor on the screen travels through *less* distance than the mouse on your desk? In addition to very precise mousing, that must have the added benefit of keeping other people from trying to use your computer.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267229)

The problem with predicting the demise of the mouse is that old technologies have to be *completely* replaced by new ones if they are to disappear. Touch screen interfaces have their uses especially for mobile devices, but I don't see how being able to navigate imprecisely in three dimensions by waving my hands about is going to help me edit a two-dimensional text display. Touch screen interfaces have actually been around for more than five years already. I don't see them taking over the *mouse's* role. How many mice were attached to early mobile phones? It's not a question of one technology supplanting another, but of being used for a different purpose.

Mouse and touch solve different problems (1)

techmuse (160085) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267237)

Touch is not a good choice for a desktop device because you must take your hands away from the keyboard, wave them in front of a monitor, get fingerprints all over it, and make your arms tired. It's poor ergonomically for this sort of device. Do you want to hunch over a display and stare down at it so that you can use your desktop or laptop? Touch screens are also costly.

Mice are not a good choice for a handheld like the iPhone because of size and the need for a hard surface. Touch is a good choice for something like the iPhone because display and surface area are at a premium, and because traditional pointing devices take up lots of room. Touch is really required to provide minimal functionality. (Note that stylus based interfaces or cell phone keypads are also a form of touch, although they do not work as well.)

Re:Mouse and touch solve different problems (1)

samkass (174571) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267335)

Touch is not a good choice for a desktop device because you must take your hands away from the keyboard, wave them in front of a monitor, get fingerprints all over it, and make your arms tired. It's poor ergonomically for this sort of device. Do you want to hunch over a display and stare down at it so that you can use your desktop or laptop? Touch screens are also costly.

While I don't disagree with your conclusion, it's interesting to note that most of these arguments were used against mice. I had a friend who vehemently defended DOS to my hippie Mac freak ways in the 80's because mice took your hands away from the keyboard and slowed you down.

I don't think this analyst is completely wrong, though. I could imagine a laptop (and laptops are already >50% of all sales) that has an embedded iPod Touch in it instead of a trackpad. The iPod touch is really nice for casual web surfing. Not having to keep a mouse pointed anywhere and just touching whatever you want is neat. And putting an LCD under a laptop's trackpad enables all sorts of Nintendo DS (which is the example I'd have used instead of Wii) scenarios.

In any case, within 5 years devices like the iPod Touch are going to start to seriously displace laptops for many casual uses anyway, so while I doubt a desktop will ship without a mouse for at least 10-20 years, I think computing may start to move beyond desktops.

Re:Mouse and touch solve different problems (3, Insightful)

cgranade (702534) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267569)

Frankly, I think that touch-screens very well replace something: keyboards. I think that things may well go the route of the Optimus keyboards, but more so, reconfiguring themselves based on what you're doing. Many computer users don't even know how to copy and paste (amazing, I know), much less take advantage of Ctrl+S to save. Putting those kinds of controls on a keyboard/screen may prove to be very handy.

Wrong wrong wrong. (5, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267247)

This is, as always, wrong. Analysts never get this stuff right. The iPhone has shown the ability of a touchscreen with multi-touch to have a great interface. Notice that the iPhone was never a device with a mouse. Phone don't have mice (except for trackballs on some blackberries).

I'd love some of that multi-touch goodness in OS X. Let my trackpad start doing it. But let's get real here. We need mice.

All our interfaces are designed around them and keyboards. They are cheap (under $5 for a simple optical). They are precise. They are familiar. They need very little physical movement (just tiny wrist movements). A tablet gives you the precision a mouse does. I'd say they are far more likely to take over than generic touchscreen. Perhaps combos like Wacom Centiqs.

I'm w aiting for the FPS that figures out a way to use touchscreens for precision aiming.

The Wii has shown us some great things, but that's for games. How many people do you think want to waggle their way through creating powerpoint presentations?

I've got a Wii. What do some the best control schemes often use it for? That's right... a mouse! LostWinds (just finished, great game) uses it as a pointing device. Metroid Prime 3 uses it for aiming much like a mouse. Zack & Wiki (when not performing motions) uses it like a mouse. Every menu in every game uses it like a mouse. The console's own menu uses it like a mouse. And when Pikmin 3 comes out I'm willing to bet a fair bit of money that it will use the control mostly as... a mouse.

The mouse is just about the perfect 2D interface. There is probably a reason we've been using them for over 25 years (it's been about that long since the Macintosh came out, and I'm well aware they were available before that). When we get a real 3D interface (like some kind of hologram projecting surface/table) then we may need a new input device some of the time, but for now, the mouse will be around for a very long while.

Re:Wrong wrong wrong. (1)

atraintocry (1183485) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267395)

One thing that I can do on my traditional phone that I can't on my iPhone is dial by touch. That's sort of a big deal. Also, I want to get paid for being an analyst, where do I sign up?

Re:Wrong wrong wrong. (1)

enoz (1181117) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267531)

I came to the same conclusion: the iPhone is great for everything except making phonecalls.

To hell with my karma.

World of Warcraft (1)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267249)

Now rolling your face over the keyboard could become a reality.

I don't think so. (1)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267251)

A touchscreen requires greater arm movements than a mouse, and there's no place to rest your hand while interacting with the screen. A facial interface requires either the use of a button (like a mouse that doesn't move), or the use of awkward facial expressions to indicate actions.

Thank you all the same, but I'd rather use a mouse.

Arm-ache City (1)

MrSteveSD (801820) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267263)

So you are going to control your mouse pointer all day by keeping your arm in the air with your finger touching your screen? I think not.

Re:Arm-ache City (1)

Timoleon (1225804) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267417)

Yeah, I don't want to have to make the effort to keep touching the goddamned screen --- I'll keep my trackball and my clean display, thank you very much. I also don't want to be bothered to have to give a bunch of voice commands to the computer --- it's *much* easier to click a button, and saves your voice for something else. Touch screens and voice commands have their place, but it is not on the average desktop.

I don't think so (1)

WryCoder (18961) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267269)

There is no way I'm keeping my arm stretched out in front of me to navigate my browser.

I use an RF optical mouse, and my usual browsing position is pushed back in my chair, working the mouse on my left leg.

I keep my mouse pad at knee height, positioned to the right of my leg. No wrist strain at all. Then there's my Model M, with my forearms nearly horizontal, and I'm looking slightly down at my 19 inch monitor.

I ain't going to talk at it or wave at it or keep in in my lap.

I can imagine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267277)

In five, ten or twenty years, someone will devise a new human interface device to replace the mouse, keyboard or both. It won't be the touch screen, and it likely won't be facial recognition, at least in any form existent today. Mostly likely it will be some sort of voice recognition, which would be a boon to the visually impaired. What about speech/hearing impaired people? What about people with poor motor control? A new interface needs to be an improvement, not just a change.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Join the Ratpoison revolution! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267285)

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C-t 0 (screen 0)
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Get rid of the rat right now, not in the future. You may also want to download the conkeror web browser [] to browse internet without point and click as well using only your keyboard.

Not Until They ... (1, Funny)

strelitsa (724743) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267301)

... rip it from my cold dead carpal-tunneled hand.

Touchscreen is the DEBIL! (1)

ebspso (959601) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267307)

I've used a touchscreen enabled interface at work for nearly 3 year. Thing is I have only touched the screen about 1% of that time, the rest I have used the keyboard simply because it is more responsive and faster.

Gartner Fellow Fool (5, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267315)

Facial recognition doesn't even work at all, even on specialized HW, SW, and selected test subjects. In 5 years, maybe it might work occasionally. Not replace the mouse. Nor will any of those other brand new special skills input devices. Hell, the majority of PCs even now are probably about 5 years old, and we're about to plunge into a "recession" that won't even have the vast debt to prop it up that the past decade had.

Gartner has always been nothing but a PR mill to market "mindshare" of directions in computer industry trends. I've never read a Gartner report or employee (or "Fellow", which must really take bribing) that was anything other than "Big Computer Corp X wishes this report would come true".

Think about the gaming magazine "reporting" you read, and how it's all PR. Big computer corps, like Apple, Microsoft, Dell - and probably Sony, Nintendo etc, all trying to become "computer" corps or their synthesis - have even more money to buy reporting. And Gartner isn't even saying it's "journalism". It's like those 1990s Internet Bubble stockbrokers' in-house "analysts", whose reports always said that whatever stocks the brokerage was vested in would go nowhere but up. In fact, those fake analysts are still doing the same thing, and the market is still a wasteland because of it. Gartner has even less accountability, and even less of a track record of guessing right, rather than wishing hard.

I bet Gartner predicted in 1999 that by 2008 we'd all have Aeron chairs and foosball tables.

Re:Gartner Fellow Fool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267521)

Facial recognition? Imagine the Easter Egg rumors that will be running around the web on that one. "When viewing dating site xxx if you lick your eyebrows you will get an all expense paid trip to ( insert hot vacation spot here ) with the date of your choice from a list of a bevy of beauties including some high end models."

Heard this before... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267317)

Sure, just like voice recognition and handwriting recognition replaced keyboards ten years ago...

No more mouse but what? (1)

tristian_was_here (865394) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267339)

So I wont be able to use my mouse to play Duke Nukem Forever?

Retarded Msoft propganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267351)

Smudge screen technology is going to replace the most effective tool for controlling movement(game angles), not freaking likely. Just because MSoft wants to push windows 7 crap on us does not mean the masses will accept it. Who the hell would want to sit so close to their monitor they have to touch it and wipe it constantly when one can sit 10 feet back and use a wireless mouse and keyboard. When you can use a HDtv as your monitor instead of a stupid overpriced monitor that MS thinks everyone wants to go out and buy.

Fact is the mouse and keyboard are some of the most dirty germ infested things in everyones house. How Microsoft could see adding the monitor to the lot a good idea i will never know, well it must be so they can push brand new monitors and hardware on people.
Heck i know that i want other people to have to touch my monitor to work the PC... Females with long nails mmmmm scratches incoming. But hey i guess we can all just buy a new monitor every month...
Heck i know when i am playing a PC game i want my hands in the way so i can not see what the heck is happening...

But hey lets listen to analysts and so called experts who know jack about anything. They know what we want and need better then we do right?

*cough* *cough*.. Suuurre.... (3, Insightful)

ivan_w (1115485) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267367)

Must be the same guy that predicted that keyboards would go away, replaced by voice interface.. (although he seems to have finally parted out with this one !)

So the guy is basically envisioning that people are going to go for something like what you can see in the 'Minority Report' flick right ?

Try holding you hands high in the air for 8 hours in a row while not eating or drinking, not speaking to anybody on the phone or in the office or your dear kin.

The guy is basically forgetting one of the main reason the mouse is here (and here to stay too) : it allows multitasking, with your hand comfortably resting on the table (ok.. leading to CTS, but that's another story).. You can work, or have fun while you also interact with the world..

The scroll button on the mouse is also here to stay !

Wii type motion sensor controllers are too tiring and too demanding, touchscreen requires to have you hands up in the air and to be within a few inches of the screen, and facial recognition requires you to focus entirely on the task at hand..

Tss tss.. I wish I was paid to be an 'analyst' to make phony predictions like this guy..


Gartner needs to hire nonidiots(this isn't news). (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267369)

Serious guys, this is weak even by Gartner's august standards.

"I, based on a sample set that includes one video game console and a device too small to fit a mouse, designed by a company who, for all their expertise in UI and design, has a ghastly history with pointing devices, declare that the mouse is dead!"

I agree that, with advances in cheap MEMS accelerometers and various sorts of touch/motion sensors, pointing devices for hardware too small to support a real mice will probably be elevated from "about as much fun as injecting acid into your eye" to "more endurable than not surfing the internet while on this elevator" and use of nonmouse devices for various sorts of game and design input will probably become reasonably intuitive and in some cases better than a mouse.

Beyond the mere silliness, I find the vague premise behind this sort of article a little disconcerting. It seems to have oozed from the same pit as the "zOMG the cellphone is the future of the computerwebs!~!!@!11!" genre. If all computers are good for is talking at your friends, "personalizing" your ringtones and "consuming premium content", then sure, a bunch of cheap, locktight platforms with a UI based on pointing and grunting will be fine. I hope, though, that we don't let more interesting uses of computers get crowded out by the dross.

sounds like colusion (1)

arbiter1 (1204146) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267391)

to use touch screen means you gotta touch the monitor, which leaves oils on it and makes blurry of the picture, so you will end up having to clean it every day hench the company that makes the cleaner is gonna make $$$ off it

To all the haters (1)

ZarathustraDK (1291688) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267403)

Yeah touch-screens can be a bit messy, but not anything like a mouse.

I've been using mice for years and there are no ends to problems with them, I tell you. Mousecrap everywhere, rabies, bubonic plague, claw-scratches, disposal of used mice, mice crawling up your ass. I mean, the sheer amount of mice you go through playing counter-strike with ADHD, it's hell I tell you.

Good Luck With That(tm) (1)

Gavin Scott (15916) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267411)

Remember the light pen? The touch screen? The head position tracking pointer? All gone from general use.

The problem is that most of these alternative input devices require either more physical effort than moving your hand from the keyboard to the mouse, or they require learning fine motor control over muscles that aren't normally used for that sort of thing and so the learning process will give the user so much pain that they'll give it up before it ever gets a chance.

Light pens and touch screens require lifting your arm up into the air which is much more effort than using the mouse.

The mouse is nearly the perfect input device and is likely to remain the #1 general purpose input device for a LONG time to come. Painless, intuitive, low-effort.

Exotic and specialized input devices will always have a place, but generally only in specialized and exotic situations.


Re:Good Luck With That(tm) (1)

enoz (1181117) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267609)

I would argue that the digital tablet is closer to the perfect input device. They are arguably more intuitive than mice as the pointer is mapped to the tablet and you simply point or draw which can be much like writing.

Also the tablet is much higher resolution than current touch screens, an important issue in graphics related work. And with a 1:1 mapping between the screen and tablet you can near instantly place the curser anywhere on screen (something you can't do with mice).

The only downside that I have experienced is where a mouse is always there and waiting to be pushed around, to use the tablet you must first find and pick up the pointing device "pen".

Once the pen hovering technology is finally deployed this will no longer be an issue, and tablets will finally replace mice as the defacto standard.

Yeah, 'cause accuracy is never required (5, Informative)

holophrastic (221104) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267427)

how many people click the "bold" toolbar button when typing something? Keyboard shortcuts beat the mouse in speed, efficiency, and accuracy. They simply require experts (as in an expert system) to use. You've got to know that they exist. BUt could you imagine typing 60 words per minute, and then taking ten seconds to make a few words bold?

Touch screen accuracy is terrible. And it's got nothing to do with the technology. My finger is larger than one pixel. Oh, and my arm blocks my view of the rest of the screen.

You know, this is the same garbage that minority report showcased. Of course it's really cool to do video editting with your arms. Ever gone to the gym and taken boxing as a fitness effort? The most difficult part of boxing is not getting punched in the face -- that's pretty easy. The most difficult part about boxing is holding your hands up for an hour.

I manufacture kiosks and develope kiosk solutions. The only reason that kiosks are touch-screen is because 90% of the public using them don't know how to use a mouse with any sort of speed -- and we're selling tickets on these kiosks to thousands of people each day. Speed matters. And when it comes to accuracy, each on-screen button is is a minimum of one two inches wide by a minimum of one inch tall, with a minimum of one centimetre of space around the button.

All of these great input interface devices are incredibly snazzy, and excellent for particular things. But they are never better than the simpler interfaces for simpler things. A button is a perfect input device -- it's discrete. You know what to do with it, it doesn't require you to look at it, you know when you've pushed it. That's why keyboards benefit from feedback, travel, and texture. That's why there's a little bump on the "5" keypad key, the "5" on my mobile phone pad too, and the "2" and "4" on my car stereo -- I don't have to look at any of them. I can drive, and dial the phone without taking my eyes off of the road.

You can't do any of that with a mouse. It's completely useless without looking at the screen. Could you imagine typing on a touch-screen-type keyboard? No travel, no feedback, no texture, no way to know if you've hit the key at all, let alone the correct one.

In our kiosk manufacturing, touch-screens have another benefit. You can say things like "press here" or "touch here" and people do. It's amazing how many directions are required to teach the public to use something that you think is easily used -- like swiping a credit card. Photographs, animations, the works, and still people swipe their card into the seam of the lcd bezel -- or try to cram it into the animation on the screen. And now some people expect us to use multi-touch screens -- good luck teaching the general public to perform gestures to buy their show tickets.

Oh, by the way, finger prints -- I hope you aren't using your screen for anything important.

Telepathy is the same game. Neural interfaces sound like they're so easy to use. Think about clicking the button, and you'll click the button. "hey, I think all the time, thinking is easy". Sure, you think all the time. But how many times do you think about only one thing? That takes incredibly focus. I don't want to have to meditate for every click, thanks.

Currently, my body has a huge filter. No matter how much I think, my finger only moves when I move my finger. So I can think about pressing button, I can remember pressing it last time, I can think about not pressing the button, and can think that the button is an ugly colour, and stil I haven't pressed it.

The trouble with a bad neural interface is that you need to meditate for every action. The problem with a good neural interface is that it has no idea as to the degree of your intention -- positive nor negative.

So, much like the mouse, a neural interface is great as an analogue input device, and horrible as a discrete one. Think about a simple 2D graphics app -- photo shop, for example. "draw a line" is easy with the mouse. "draw a straight line" is difficult with the mouse. "draw a 16 pixel line" is nearly impossible with the mouse, and really easy with the keyboard. Now can you imagine using a joystick to draw a line? What about using interpretive dance to draw a line?

What about firing a gun? Sure you could use your wiimote, and hold your hand steady. Snipers don't hold the heavy gun steady, that's what bipods are for. And snipers don't adjust their aim by angling the gun a quarter of a degree at a time, they turn a click-wheel: a device designed to turn rough finger movement into a quantized action.

I can't hold my hand steady for long. I can't hold my brain steady any longer.

So I look forward to interesting interface input devices in order to control more interesting and abstract things. But when it comes to specific and intricate things, well, I hope it requires my confirmation with a button press. I don't want to launch a nuclear missle without having to press a button -- or turn a key.

Better interface (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267445)

There are some other amazing interfaces.

it reads your brainwaves and can perform certain actions when you think about them. Imagine that you could operate the buttons of a mouse with your mind.

Next is a technology which tracks where you are looking on the screen. This would act like moving the mouse around. So you look at the icon on the screen and think to click it.

The emotiv is ready to hit the mass market within a year. The eye tracking is pretty expensive, but it will drop dramatically once it hits volume production.

So, look to point and think to click. Seems pretty intuitive to me.

Similar things were said about the (3, Insightful)

LM741N (258038) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267447)

knob many years ago- recently listed as one of the top ten inventions of the 20th century I would think the mouse ranks up pretty high on the list as well. I don't think its going away very soon. In the case of the knob, modern equipment that uses computer menus and such for the same function has been judged by many people to be unwieldy and doesn't easily provide feedback to the user in real time.

Oh, sure! (0)

WheelDweller (108946) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267459)

Let's talk about the 'end of the sysadmin' or the 'flying car'. Maybe a dog that walks itself! Mice are cheap, have a long history of successful use on a LOT of systems. People are just very, very used to it. Heck, I see even geeks using them (if only for backup) for quite a long time.

And why aren't we 'replacing' the keyboard, too?

hahahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267479)

AHAHahahaha these analysts crack me up all the time. I'd bet my life savings in ten years over 95% of people who use computers will still use what they use today.

Ergonomic nightmare. (1)

Onyma (1018104) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267481)

Not going to happen anywhere near that quickly. The act of lifting your arm up to touch a screen vs. moving to a mouse will lead to a whole new world of strain injuries not to mention that it's just not efficient.

Tablet style devices will become much more common and of course won't use a mouse but for the standard keyboard based system (which the article says isn't going anywhere) the ergonomics of a KB/Mouse combination just isn't going to be replaced any time soon by a touch screen. (augmented, yes... replaced... no.)

5 years?... (1)

acloutie (1275518) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267493)

I didn't RTFA but 5 years seems like a little too premature. Companies filled with non-technical computer users wont want to pay these employees to learn how to work with touch screens when they can operate just as well with a mouse and keyboard. Plus, like all new technology, the cost of replacing the current workstation with touch screens as opposed to the traditional station will be significantly more with little to no changes in the worker's efficiency. The cost-benefit analysis in this case just doesn't work out.

Oh, Wii-ally? (1)

FlyByPC (841016) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267495)

Having just tried a Wii for the first time the other day, I think it's interesting -- but for accuracy, it doesn't come anywhere near replacing a mouse. I prefer the Logitech Trackball -- but I just don't see touchscreens (even using PDA-style tap-and-hold for right-click, you lose bandwidth) or accelerometer-based devices (for XY input, the trackball is hard to beat IMHO) replacing mouselike devices anytime soon.

Facial recognition? I'll believe that when I see it. Handwriting recognition? We're a loooong way from that working acceptably. Speech recognition? Well, maybe -- but not in the next few years, unless someone makes a really amazing breakthrough in speech-rec algorithms.

Not Likely (1)

Dahlgil (631022) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267497)

The computer mouse is not a new technology. In a way a mouse is to a computer what a steering wheel is to a car. Sure, there are other steering technologies out there. Sticks work great in fighter jets and handles work great on zero turn lawn mowers, but for general purpose use in cars, there's nothing I've ever seen that's better than a wheel. I'm not stuck on mouse technology...if something genuinely better came around, I'd jump on it in an instant. Touch screens, tablets, pens, touch pads, joysticks, etc., are all better solutions in specific applications, but for plain precision, general purpose pointing on a desktop computer, there is no technology that I've seen that's better than a mouse.

Computer Mouse Heading For Extinction (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267507)

Well...technically....the mouse pointer is more the dot. Using a finger to do that would not be easy...Technologies are several discussion mainly..Eye movement about me geting high...then using my future system...will be a mess....
iphone sure is leading the way ..
If i were to get rid of the mouse...i would first give a comp to a kid and let him play around with the mouse....
Then once he is used to the mouse.....will take it away....and then let the kid improvise....
Also....remember mouse is a tool...developed to work on the windows enviornment and document types....what if you take away this type of Boxed interface?...think about that for a moment.....hmm...interesting ...aint it?
Its still a long shot...5 years...Naaah....
Technology will have to change....U wanna take away the mouse(a Tool)....u need to change the Main Application interface on which the (Tool) works......

Ridiculous, Ridiculous, Ridiclous! (1)

Televiper2000 (1145415) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267517)

Obviously there are people in this world that write about computers without ever having to work with one. There's a reason the mouse has survived so long in the face of touch pad, tit mouses, track balls, and touch screens. It's simply the best pointing device that anyone has ever come up with. This is why laptops in all their desire to be compact still accommodate an external mouse, and users in all their desire to reduce what they need to carry them bring their mouse along. Of course they have to use the "iPhone" as an example. If anything the mouse will evolve, and adopt forced feedback and other features of the Wii remote. Touch screens are nice for specific purpose Human Machine Interfaces such as bank machines, check out computers, and machine controls.

Facial gestures????? FACIAL GESTURES?? Am I going to spend my work day making funny faces at my computer? Am I going to have to stop everything I'm doing if I'm on the phone because I'll make uncontrolled emotive expressions? Will I no longer be able to collaborate on my computer because it would confuse the sensors? That crap isn't even going to be here in five years, let alone work. Remember how the Aptiva talked to you, that was what? 20 years ago? What's next? Are people going to be telling us our PC will be the size of roll of hockey tape?

Some things need a mouse. (1)

supernova_hq (1014429) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267537)

I can see the touch screen being better for some things (interactive industrial interfaces, wall mounted systems, etc.), but have you ever thought of the most popular thing done with computers...GAMING!

Every tried to play a FPS game with a touch screen? I've done it with a touch pad (oh god, the nightmares) and don't ever TRY to suggest joystick controls as any TRUE FPS gamer will take his mouse by the cord and mouse whip you so hard you'll see game logos circling your head!

vimperator (1)

spankymm (1327643) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267545)

Since discovering vimperator, I hardly use the mouse at all.

Typing ']]' will automatically find the 'next' link in most picture galleries.

FF3 + vimperator + half-qwerty, and I'm one-handed surfing all the way!

The hard part (no pun intended) was learning how to do the *other* stuff with my left hand.

Touch screens like in Minority report (1)

zymano (581466) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267555)

Wont happen. I saw the science channel predict it too.

It takes too much excercise to do that when a simple wrist movement does the same.

Touch screens or pen screens are good for artists. That's where they shine. Ever do art with a mouse on mspaint?

Room for both (1)

achurch (201270) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267563)

I agree with the proposition that the mouse is essentially a substitute for touch-screen control, and given my own usage patterns, I could probably do away with my mouse for pretty much everything except drawing in GIMP. (Those of you talking about how people can't hold their arms out for hours on end: Do you really sit around with one hand on the mouse for hours on end, rather than both hands on the keyboard most of the time? I don't know, maybe you do; just something to think about.) There are certainly interface issues to be dealt with, like the fact that you can't "hover" or click with multiple buttons, but I think the iPhone has shown that it's quite possible to deal with them. As for fingerprints--think of it as an incentive to practice good hygiene; do you really want to know what's living on the surface of your mouse? So to the extent they suggest touch-based controls will become mainstream for PCs, I consider that likely.

On the other hand, for the aforementioned case of drawing and similar cases where fine, continuous control is needed, the mouse definitely wins out: it's flat on the desk, it gives you pinpoint precision, and you can map large mouse movements to finer pointer motion. (You could use a zoomable tablet and stylus, granted, but would you want to be hunched over a horizontal display for hours on end?) So I wouldn't go so far as to say the mouse is headed for extinction. It'll simply be one tool in a growing toolbox.

this is the dumbest thing i've heard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24267601)

From an ergo standpoint it would be very bad. Think about all the pointing motions you do. Now think about doing ALL of them with your arm outstretched, pointing at your monitor all day. Serious shoulder problems will occur.

As an auxilliary pointing device, great. Replacing? The idea just pisses me off.

M$-Windows requirement? (0, Troll)

dltaylor (7510) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267611)

When Micro$soft decides to support only its "Surface" in Windows 13, maybe. Of course, if it's for M$-Windows, the only recognizable things on my face will be frustration, anger, and rage at the continual stupidity of the interface. Maybe that can replace the "Start" button to shut it down when I'm too frustrated with it too continue (every 15 minutes, or so).

Sheer idiocy (1)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267645)

Sorry, but the touch screen responds to what? Oh - that's right - HUMAN touch. And humans are covered with what? Oh, that's right - oily greasy crap that covers and protects their skin.

Large ouch screens look MANGY after a few weeks, and require constant attention if your office has any glare issues. Also, the grease screws with the viewing of pixels, making for a screen that is harder to read.

Touch screens for an iPhone is one thing - it's tiny and the set of expectations are lower in terms of screen appearance. Personally, I go ballistic when some neanderthal starts touching the screen on my computer. Not that they'll hurt it - it just means I have to CLEAN IT. What a pain in the ass.


The Power of the Pen (1)

Ngarrang (1023425) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267653)

I love my pen-based laptop. I never use my touch pad mouse. I find the pen to be far more efficient at getting to a place on the screen.

ah, Gartner (1)

speedtux (1307149) | more than 6 years ago | (#24267659)

Touch screens are nowhere near the accuracy of a computer mouse, and they are a pain to use with desktop computers. Also, the were already around 30 years ago, and the mouse won because it's the better pointing device.

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