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Sen. Ted "Tubes" Stevens Is Indicted

kdawson posted more than 6 years ago | from the eating-our-own-pork dept.

Republicans 553

Many readers are letting us know about the indictment of Sen. Ted Stevens on seven counts of making false statements on his financial disclosure forms. We discussed the raid on the senator's house a while back. Everyone's favorite technologically challenged senator is the longest-serving Republican in the history of the upper house. An Alaskan paper gives deep background on the probe that has ensnared Stevens and a number of other Alaska political figures.

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tee-hee (5, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389829)

There's a joke here about federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison and clogged tubes but I'm just going to savor the indictment instead.

Re:tee-hee (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24389905)

People like Ted Stevens don't go to pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

Some pigs are more equal than others.

Re:tee-hee (3, Insightful)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390251)

A rich powerful man only goes to prison if a richer, more powerful man wants him there. I wonder who he pissed off? Gates? Branson?

Re:tee-hee (2, Interesting)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390555)

People like Ted Stevens don't go to pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

Eh, regardless of his position or wealth do 84 year olds really go to pound-me-in-the-ass prison for white collar crimes?

Re:tee-hee (5, Funny)

mattpm (1135875) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389907)

Unsolicited male in his tubes?

Re:tee-hee (5, Funny)

infonography (566403) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390561)

the senator will be learning a new line;

You've got Male!

Re:tee-hee (-1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389941)

There's a joke here about federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison

Except that's backwards.

Federal prison is the non-PMITA version (mainly big bucks tax cheats).

State prison is the PMITA variety (murders, rapists, etc.).

Re:tee-hee (1)

philspear (1142299) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389971)

Well considering he's a republican congressman, like Larry Craig, it might soon become a "pound me in the hand in the bathroom" prison.

Re:tee-hee (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24390291)

you might say it's... ASS-backwards!!1 hur hur :-/

Re:tee-hee (4, Insightful)

db32 (862117) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390365)

Leavenworth is a federal prison. If you have bothered to watch the news there have been more than a few murder/rapist types that have been going there. I don't know where you get the idea that Federal prison is soft or how you managed to get modded informative for that patently false nonsense.

I can only assume that you are confused by Alcatraz being a recreational area now. Alcatraz was not a pleasant place when it was a federal prison. Back then the tour of the place lasted a bit longer than an afternoon.

Re:tee-hee (5, Interesting)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390491)

Federal prison is mainly big-time drug users and drug dealers.

State prison is mainly small-time drug users and drug dealers.

A friend's brother down in the St Louis area went to federal prison for loaning a cocaine dealer a thousand dollars; the charge was conspiracy to deliver cocaine (the dealer had been busted and was setting up innocent guys to lessen his own sentence; most of his high school graduating class went to Maximum Security Club Fed for twice as long as he did).

Violent criminals usually don't get caught. When they do, it depends on who they attacked.

A woman I know went to Dwight Correctional (Illinois hardcore women'sprison) for 4 months for nonviolent drug posession, while a guy I know and intensly dislike broke into a man's home and tried to kill him with a butcher knife. He spent two weeks in the county jail - but the man he attacked was a poor black man.

That is American justice.

Re:tee-hee (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390589)

Federal prison is mainly big-time drug users and drug dealers.

State prison is mainly small-time drug users and drug dealers.

What makes one a "big-time drug user" as opposed to a small-time one?

senator's don't do hard time they get put in to... (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389945)

senator's don't do hard time they get put in to camps or less.

Re:tee-hee (4, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389979)

At the moment it's only his finances that are being probed.

Re:tee-hee (1)

FlyingSquidStudios (1031284) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390263)

He loves the Incredible Hulk. Now he's going to find out what makes hulks so incredible. Hopefully Larry Craig can give him some pointers.

Re:tee-hee (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390607)

Hopefully Larry Craig can give him some pointers.

1) Tap the foot of the guy in the stall next to you.
2) ???
3) Profit!

Don't see why ya needed Larry Craig to tell ya that ;)

Down the tubes.. (5, Funny)

The Dancing Panda (1321121) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389837)

It's not just a truck you can dump things on....

It's a house, that you can add things to...apparently for free.

Well, there goes another political career... (4, Funny)

QRDeNameland (873957) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389855)

down the...ummm...drain.

Re:Well, there goes another political career... (2, Funny)

adamstew (909658) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390109)

I dunno about down the career down the drain...The man is like 82...it's more like a forced retirement, with a free retirement home security package!

Re:Well, there goes another political career... (2, Informative)

tinkerghost (944862) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390259)

If he's convicted, there's a good chance he'll lose his Congressional Pension - given that the charges are essentially bribery & corruption.

Re:Well, there goes another political career... (5, Insightful)

squidguy (846256) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390541)

Will be interesting to see, as the ultimate act of hypocrisy, if the next President pardons him ala Clinton's forgiveness of bigtime Chicago Machine Dem Dan Rostenkowski, who now collects his congressional pension despite similar acts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Rostenkowski). Sen Stevens likely won't be convicted in time for President Bush to possibly react.

Guess I'll have to cancel the trip... (3, Funny)

aceofspades1217 (1267996) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389887)

AHHH No more bridges to no where. I think I am going to cry. I wanted to visit that uninhabitabed ice berg in alaska.

Re:Guess I'll have to cancel the trip... (2, Interesting)

mi (197448) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390091)

We actually saw a little wooden walkway on the side of the road going over some (protected) marsh land. The size of the plaque thanking the Senator for his work in securing financing for the walkway was comparable in size to the structure itself... Who knows, how much that little piece cost the federal government, and how much the grateful contractors have contributed to the guy's campaign, him personally, and those he loves.

I must admit, he played the dimwits "protecting the wilderness" (without ever setting foot there) very well.

Re:Guess I'll have to cancel the trip... (2, Interesting)

aceofspades1217 (1267996) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390185)

lol yah...our government never ceases to amaze me. Even the senate's most senior republican is dirty. I mean in general not just him. Our entire government spent so much money on pork like "bridges to nowhere", "bike trails", fountains, etc.

It is just horrible that at a time when the national debt is so high we still throw money around like its nothing.

Re:Guess I'll have to cancel the trip... (3, Insightful)

spiffyman (949476) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390383)

I'm sorry, but do you really think bike trails and fountains are pork?

No, they're not investments in science in engineering - which we surely need more of - but these two contribute to the public's physical and mental health, respectively. No small matter, that.

Re:Guess I'll have to cancel the trip... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24390451)

But they've got sod all to do with the federal government. Recreational bike trails and fountains are inherently local.

Re:Guess I'll have to cancel the trip... (1)

spiffyman (949476) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390513)

I wouldn't say "inherently," but your point is well-taken.

Still, some questions might remain. For instance, what about such attractions in D.C.? Or at our national parks? Or what should the federal government do if the states refuse to act on what is arguably a set of legitimate needs?

Re:Guess I'll have to cancel the trip... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24390579)

Those items should be funded by local government. Not federal.

Re:Guess I'll have to cancel the trip... (3, Insightful)

45mm (970995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390391)

It is just horrible that at a time when the national debt is so high we still throw money around like its nothing.

Except that it IS nothing to them. They'll just make more money and/or sell us out to countries who hate us! What do they care? The American taxpayer is footing the bill for their well-being. And pensions. I say, put them on Social Security like the rest of us, and allow their salaries to be commensurate to their approval rating. We'll get some useful things happening then.

Series of Tubes (4, Insightful)

pyster (670298) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389901)

while this guy is an asshat, Series of Tubes as an analogy works just fine. This is one of those things other clueless asshats giggle at.

Re:Series of Tubes (1, Funny)

smaddox (928261) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390033)

You are absolutely right.

He also was correct when he said people were clogging the tubes and keeping him from receiving the internets being sent to him.

Re:Series of Tubes (1)

Loko Draucarn (398556) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390283)

The tubes weren't clogged, he just didn't have the patience to wait for the entire Internet sent by his staff to transfer.

An Internet is huge, of course it's going to take a few days.

Maybe we engineers should develop an Internet Transfer Protocol to simplify and speed the distribution of internets (and allow clients to better estimate transfer times.)

Re:Series of Tubes (1)

God'sDuck (837829) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390413)

He's an 80+ year old Senator. I can guarantee his staff don't "send" him the internets. They print him the internets.

Re:Series of Tubes (4, Insightful)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390043)

Actually, no, clueless asshats don't laugh at it, people who know about the subject laugh at it. The analogy is simple to the point of being useless and is only useful for those who don't have any clue at all about how the internet works, which is a quickly shrinking minority. That someone in such a position is a member of that minority is embarrassing.

Re:Series of Tubes (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390447)

I don't think the number of people who understand how the internet works is in the majority. Most people ascribe it to magic. I'm willing to bet most people don't know exactly how pipes work either, for that matter.

Re:Series of Tubes (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390117)

I agree that the Series of Tubes analogy in itself isn't bad...what makes the analogy so funny is that it was the frustrated climax to a long technically incompetent rant that he made in an effort to make a point for a stupid law. You really have to see the whole thing, "series of tubes vs. dump truck" is just the cherry on the cake.

Re:Series of Tubes (2, Interesting)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390127)

Honestly, I think anyone who knows anything knows you're right. I mean, the word "pipe" is part of network jargon for a reason, and the only difference between a tube and a pipe is that a tube is better engineered and you can use precision fittings and bend it, instead of having to threading the ends of each piece to join together with joints. It's like calling the colour of a banana "saffron" instead of "yellow".

On the other hand, it's fun and easy to make fun of Republicans, especially old ones who talk about technology.

My question is, how many Republicans can get charged with major crimes before they have to stop pretending morality is part of their platform?

Re:Series of Tubes (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390563)

There's a display of how the Internet works at our local children's museum. It actually is a series of tubes that balls travel through. They even allow you to send black and white balls that represent zeros and ones, and a chart of some common ASCII characters so you can actually send messages. The only silly thing about the model is that each individual bit (ball) can take a different path. Other than that, it demonstrates a packet switched network rather effectively.

Re:Series of Tubes (1)

cthulu_mt (1124113) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390139)

The same people harping on "The Series of Tubes" are the ones posting 80 page essays on why Gore didn't claim to invent the Internet.

Just let it rest. Partisan hacks will be partisan hacks.

Re:Series of Tubes (0)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390221)

As a very basic analogy, it might make some sense in describing generic networking concepts. As an analogy of a packet switching network, it's pretty damned worthless.

Re:Series of Tubes (1)

HolyCrapSCOsux (700114) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390387)

How about a car analogy? The internet is a series of interconnected highways. The packets are the cars, they all know their destination. Occasionally packet collisions occur, etc.

Re:Series of Tubes (5, Informative)

Random Destruction (866027) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390349)

While the series of tubes analogy works, its the speech that surrounds that quote that is hilarious. for example:

I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the internet commercially.

And watch the "discussion" devolve... (2, Insightful)

Darundal (891860) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389919)

...into people claiming that everything is the fault of one party or the other and that all members of one of the two parties are corrupt.

Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... (4, Insightful)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389965)

Honestly, I don't see this devolving into partisan bickering because everyone hates congress and the senate and everyone knows that people on both sides of the aisle are corrupt. I'm a republican and I freakin' hate this guy. Everyone I know hates corruption in the government, and this guy was one of the most corrupt out there.

Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... (5, Insightful)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390171)

Everyone hates congress...until election time when 95% of them get reelected.

Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... (3, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390195)

That pattern can be explained in a single word: gerrymandering.

Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... (5, Insightful)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390321)

Term limits would solve that problem both by definition and by addressing a core problem - length of time served equals power in both houses. Then there's the problem that races tend to involve two absolutely shitty choices. Even with some pretty blatant gerrymandering, Utah republicans can't oust democrat Jim Matheson from congress because they keep nominating idiots to run against him.

The consequence of this system is that corruption never gets rooted out and a bunch of old men are deciding the future of a country that's changing very rapidly. I'll vote against incumbents when they give me a good alternative, and that doesn't happen too often.

Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390557)

If you replace one party member with another, you're not getting term limits. You only get more people who toe the party line. Example: Look at the presidency. Getting worse with every election. And it's happening again, before your very eyes. And who's nominating those "idiots? Why, we are. The guy in the mirror is doing the nominating. Gerrymandering is a convenient cop out for people who simply won't accept the blame for their own actions. Despite your term limits, Jeb has a very good chance of winning the presidency. If you want a better example, look at Mexico's presidency. They have "no reelection" One term is all you get.

Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24390229)

What do you mean "was"? He's still the ranking Republican and his vote still counts, even while he's indicted. Which is the way it should work, but don't speak about him like he's gone yet, he's still.. err.. "working".

Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... (3, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390509)

I have to say I don't hate this guy. I mean let's face it he took bribes and did some other scummy things. Hate seems over the top for this guy.
Yep I don't care if he is Republican, Democrat, or Ron Paul's love child. If he guilty get him out.
As far as partisan bickering... I never understood the emotional investment people make in politicians.

Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24390521)

Couldn't have said it better.

Re:And watch the "discussion" devolve... (2, Funny)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390149)

There's two parties?? When did that happen?

So what I want to know (4, Insightful)

Oh no, it's Dixie (1332795) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389923)

How did he stay in office so long if there was already evidence of corruption in 2003 [pqarchiver.com] and 2004 [thehill.com] ?

Re:So what I want to know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24389953)

He's rich and white.

Re:So what I want to know (5, Insightful)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389999)

"How did he stay in office so long if there was already evidence of corruption in 2003 and 2004?"

The same way Dan Rostenkowski did and Marion Barry and Murtha after Abscam:

"He may be a son-of-a-bitch, but he's OUR son-of-a-bitch"

Also keep in mind that he has brought home a lot of bacon to the residents of Alaska, and they probably view such minor corruption as a cross they just have to bear to get the goodies. Remember, the "bridge to nowhere" ALMOST got approved.

Re:So what I want to know (2, Insightful)

sheldon (2322) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390267)

Or the same way John Mccain did after Keating Five.

Didn't Rostenkowski go to prison?

Re:So what I want to know (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24390081)

Why is Senator Ted Kennedy still in office after killing someone?

Because he's been in office for a long time and the Senate rewards seniority over ability.

Of course, in Teddy's case, he killed someone BEFORE becoming a senator, while Stevens only became corrupt after cementing his seat in office. So unlike Massachusetts, which knowingly elected a murderer, Alaska only had a senator become corrupt after he became impossible to replace.

But replacing senators usually causes states to lose power that they once held since the new senator is now a junior senator, so generally it's very hard to replace a senator.

Re:So what I want to know (2, Informative)

Binary Boy (2407) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390489)

Actually, Chappaquiddick happened 7 years after Kennedy first joined the Senate. As far as I know, he plead guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, but was never charged, let alone convicted or murder or even manslaughter.

Kennedy was hardly senior in the Senate when this happened, though of course as a Kennedy he likely had more deference paid than had he been from a lesser known family.

Re:So what I want to know (5, Insightful)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390151)

How did he stay in office so long if there was already evidence of corruption in 2003 [pqarchiver.com] and 2004 [thehill.com] ?

The same way that William Jefferson [cnn.com] of New Orleans did (and still is).

(Who, BTW, in response to the AC that also responded to your post, is NOT white)

Re:So what I want to know (1)

Notquitecajun (1073646) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390547)

Make that William "Dolla Bill" Jefferson. New Orleans pols are some of the most entrenched and traditionally corrupt. What many people don't understand about the last race, where an idiot was re-elected (Nagin) was STILL the more palatable choice, because his opponent was actually part of the Morial crew who PRECEDED Nagin and was MORE corrupt and would have done as BAD a job during Katrina as Nagin did.

Re:So what I want to know (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390487)

Only take on the king if you are going to kill the king.

Lesson: Don't name airports after living people (2, Interesting)

AssTard (684911) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389933)

... who may potentially still turn out bad. Anchorage Int'l Airport was renamed Ted Stevens Int'l Airport a few years ago, fyi.

Tubes Stevens = Ranking member of the Science cte. (3, Funny)

DeafDumbBlind (264205) | more than 6 years ago | (#24389977)

Yep. crazy.

Re:Tubes Stevens = Ranking member of the Science c (1)

clarkkent09 (1104833) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390233)

The indictment accuses Stevens, former chairman of the powerful Senate Appropriations Committee, of concealing payments of more than $250,000 in goods and services....

Well, obviously he's "good at calculations"

Tubes are the future! (1)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390013)

Being that the internet is a series of tubes, rather than a truck, Teddy didn't feel that he should have to pay taxes; money which would have been used partially to maintain roads.

Roads are obsolete. So are taxes, apparently. Just ask Sen. Stevens.

An alaskan perspective... (-1, Troll)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390035)

First let me get this out of the way: Anchorage Daily News is horrible. They routinely run stories with huge problems, missing information, and always a liberal slant.

OK... to the real issue here: Ted Stevens MIGHT be convicted. Until then he is innocent until proven guilty. And it would really benefit the state if he were to be acquitted. He might not be the most technologically savvy senator in the USA but he certainly has done a great deal for the state, much more than any other politician. There is a great fear that nobody else (the up-and-comer Mark Begich for example) will be able to pull the kind of strings in Washington that Stevens was able to pull -- at least not for decades.

Our state certainly needs to rid itself of corruption. If Stevens is convicted it will be a sad day. What he is charged with is so petty compared to the greater good he has done that will be a crying shame. And entirely his fault. He should of course take the blame for his actions. But that doesn't change the fact that it will hurt the state MORE if he is convicted.

The main damage won't come from loss of Stevens, as he is 84 and wouldn't have been in his seat much longer anyway. Instead, the damage comes from the hurt this does to the Republican party in Alaska. You know, the people who want to explore and develop our natural resources like oil, gold and copper. Now that is unlikely to happen. The Liberals are going to run wild for a time, unchecked... we'll see how it all plays out in the end. I just hope it isn't too bad. Liberals AND Republicans both need to keep each other in check.

Anyway...

Re:An alaskan perspective... (-1, Troll)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390131)

So lets see if I understand you correctly. Guilt doesn't matter. Removing real corruption doesn't matter. Bringing home the bacon with pork barrel projects is all that matters.

Yup, you're a republican all right.

Re:An alaskan perspective... (0, Troll)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390329)

You should work on your reading comprehension. I never said guilt doesn't matter. I never said removing corruption doesn't matter. In fact, I said they DO matter.

BTW, just so you can try again, here is what I said:

Our state certainly needs to rid itself of corruption.

He should of course take the blame for his actions.

And regarding 'pork barrel projects' maybe you should read my last paragraph as to why I think this is a bad thing. It's the idea of a well-balanced government, with checks and balances, instead of a one-sided government. It's called democracy, you should try it sometime.

Re:An alaskan perspective... (4, Insightful)

Gat0r30y (957941) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390479)

Perhaps i'm an idiot, but I still don't quite get how precisely it is in the interest of the greater good (or benefit the state) that the esteemed senator from Alaska goes un-prosecuted and the light of day never shines on his actions. If you wouldn't mind clarifying I would greatly appreciate it. Additionally, would it really be impossible to imagine someone from a different political party (D, or even perhaps an I?) who would

explore and develop our natural resources like oil, gold and copper

? Really? The letter next to your name determines whether you will allow things to be dug out of the ground? Or perhaps its just that adhering to environmental regulations already in place might cut into profits a little?

Re:An alaskan perspective... (1)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390597)

There are a few things I'd like to say here:

I don't think he should go without prosecution. (Although the timing is suspect...) He is subject to the same laws we all are, and he deserves to be prosecuted for alleged crimes he may have committed. What I hope though is that he is acquitted and shown to be innocent. That is the situation in which I said it will be in the interest of the greater good and mostly for the reason I gave at the end of my original post.

As far as any Democrat actually pushing for development of our resources, such as ANWR or the Pebble Mine, you can bet your ass that will not happen. Because they all think doing so will hurt the environment.

However.. adherence to environmental regulations is something the oil companies and mining companies have really shown they can be good at now. They are good. Exxon's spill was a long time ago and since then there have been great strides towards being 'green' and developing our resources safely and cleanly...

Re:An alaskan perspective... (2)

BitterOldGUy (1330491) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390159)

Ted Stevens MIGHT be convicted. Until then he is innocent until proven guilty. And it would really benefit the state if he were to be acquitted.

Hahahahahahahahahahahh.....um (wiping tear from eye)....hahahahahahahahahahaha...

This is AMERICA! You're tried and convicted in the media and by the "law" because of the war on "terror", "drugs", or whatever.... The Government has all but abolished the 4th Amendment.

That being said, he's a politician. How do you know when a politician is lying? His lips move....the same goes for salesmen.

HaHhahahahahahah

Ok, now to be serious, in Soviet Russia the politicians politicize you!

BTW, I'm an example of the broken "Funny" mod (2, Insightful)

BitterOldGUy (1330491) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390253)

See posting history. I'm posting at "0" now.

Just because some folks don't understand satire.

God forbid if our founding Fathers posted here...then again, I'm sure they've run into the same thing and folks burned their pamphlets.

I'll never stop. I'll keep pushing buttons until the cops stop me...OK, maybe a little more....but I'll REALLY stop when the Government points a gun at me or puts me in a "Free Speech Zone" - see Bush administration.

Re:An alaskan perspective... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24390207)

The greater good? He takes money by force and reallocates it. You want to give him a medal, I want to have him executed for treason.

Re:An alaskan perspective... (-1, Redundant)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390461)

Quote your sources...

Re:An alaskan perspective... (4, Insightful)

Dekortage (697532) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390231)

What he is charged with is so petty compared to the greater good he has done that will be a crying shame.

So, you're saying... as long as he keeps the money flowing to you, you are willing to overlook lies and deception? Do you think he's clean as a whistle in all his other dealings, too?

Re:An alaskan perspective... (-1, Flamebait)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390407)

Nope. Never said that. You and your other extremist liberal buddies need reading comprehension.

Re:An alaskan perspective... (0, Troll)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390483)

I never said that. It's amazing how some people misinterpret what others say and only hear what they want to hear.

Re:An alaskan perspective... (2, Insightful)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390343)

Until then he is innocent until proven guilty.

People in positions of power shouldn't get such benefits. Every last one of them should be set under The Sword of Damocles, hanging by the barest of thread. If you consider robbing the rest of the country for the benefit of Alaska a good thing, especially with the vast riches it possesses, then there's not a hell of a lot to tell you. Especially with your whining about "liberals". Socialism must be a good thing when you're the one who benefits. But when somebody actually needs it, they're a bunch of leeches. Kinda sick thinking.

Re:An alaskan perspective... (3, Insightful)

SgtAaron (181674) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390377)

There is a great fear that nobody else (the up-and-comer Mark Begich for example) will be able to pull the kind of strings in Washington that Stevens was able to pull -- at least not for decades.

Ah well there's the catch. So, Alaskans don't care if they elect dumb, corrupt politicians just so long as they bring in the pork for the state? I've often wondered about the electees from Alaska. Murkowski... now there's another story. He resigns to become governor and then appoints his daughter in his place?

What about the common good of the country as a whole? Your senator does not merely pass laws that affect only Alaska, but all the other 300 million of us. And powerful, corrupt politicians like yours have been coming up with dumbass laws that affect all the US for decades. For just one fun example, how about the Unsolicited Commercial Electronic Mail Choice Act [wired.com] .

Our state certainly needs to rid itself of corruption. If Stevens is convicted it will be a sad day.

I'm a bit dumbfounded by this. What on earth could be sad about kicking out a senator that has been proven corrupt? Oh.. yeah, he's powerful and brings money and investment, not to mention I'm sure great parties with the oil execs at the Chalet.

I know what it's like to lose a powerful government rep. Tom Foley was speaker of the house until he was the first speaker to be unseated in ages (or maybe forever, I forget). His opponent, Nethercutt, a replublican, chided Foley for being in office so long--how does one get to be speaker otherwise?--and promised to serve only two terms. Haha. Well, that promise went out the window. Anyway, eastern Washington survived gaining a lying newbie representative, I'm sure Alaska will get over this fiasco.

-Aaron

The indictment (pdf) (5, Insightful)

jamie (78724) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390055)

text of the indictment [adn.com] is now available.

It was a part of the scheme that STEVENS, while during that same time period that he was concealing his continuing receipt of things of value from ALLEN and VECO from 1999 to 2006, received and accepted solicitations for multiple official actions from ALLEN and other VECO employees, and knowing that STEVENS could and did use his official position and his office on behalf of VECO during that same time period.

That sounds like good old-fashioned bribery to me, but with our screwed-up laws it's probably a lot easier to convict a politician for lying about the bribes than for taking the bribes.

Re:The indictment (pdf) (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390575)

Well, they put Al Capone in prison for tax evasion, rather than murder, extortion, kidnapping, and other violent crimes. We have a strange system, don't we?

Another criminal in gov't (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24390065)

Stevens, McGreevey, Republican, Democract, they are all thieves and all the same. Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like "America Deceived' from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Go to the larger GOP convention and support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov't Will and drops the title):
America Deceived (book) [iuniverse.com]

As a lifelong Alaskan... (5, Interesting)

7Prime (871679) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390071)

Let me be the first to shout:

"Yeee-hawww!!!"

Good riddence! The coming Alaska senate race is going to be one of the most interesting in history. I suggest everyone look into it. On the democratic front, we've got popular Anchorage city mayor, Mark Beigich, who's taken the election scene by storm in just the last month or so. And Stevens, being a long time incombant, is running virtually unopposed on the republican front.

In the house, rep. Don ("I'll beat you over the head with a walrus penis") Young is having even more trouble, due to falling public perception and the VICO scandal. This long-time incumbent may be KOed in the primary by our Lt. Governor.

The republicans only star runners, at this point, are Gov. Sarah Palin and Lt Gov. Sean Parnel. Parnel is running against Young in the house, and Sarah just had a child and is busy fighting some of her own battles.

Translation: the alaska republican party is FUCKED. Before the year is out, there's a very good chance we'll see our one house seat filled by a Dem, one of our Senate seats filled by a Dem, and the state's electoral votes go to Barak Obama (currently a very close race). AK is one of the most conservative and republican states in the country, btw.

For Old Time's Sake (4, Informative)

Ralph Spoilsport (673134) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390125)

Let's revisit what Senator Stevens said, laugh at his imbecility, and shake our heads at the fragility of what little is left of net neutrality, and how it is in the hands of such clueless and ethically challenged people.

Senator Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) offered up this bizarre explanation for why he voted against net neutrality laws. In it, he explains how the internet works...

"There's one company now you can sign up and you can get a movie delivered to your house daily by delivery service. Okay. And currently it comes to your house, it gets put in the mail box when you get home and you change your order but you pay for that, right.

But this service isn't going to go through the internet and what you do is you just go to a place on the internet and you order your movie and guess what you can order ten of them delivered to you and the delivery charge is free.

Ten of them streaming across that internet and what happens to your own personal internet?

I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday. Why?

Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the internet commercially.

So you want to talk about the consumer? Let's talk about you and me. We use this internet to communicate and we aren't using it for commercial purposes.

We aren't earning anything by going on that internet. Now I'm not saying you have to or you want to discriminate against those people [...]

The regulatory approach is wrong. Your approach is regulatory in the sense that it says "No one can charge anyone for massively invading this world of the internet". No, I'm not finished. I want people to understand my position, I'm not going to take a lot of time.

They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the internet. And again, the internet is not something you just dump something on. It's not a truck.

It's a series of tubes.

And if you don't understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and its going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.

Now we have a separate Department of Defense internet now, did you know that?

Do you know why?

Because they have to have theirs delivered immediately. They can't afford getting delayed by other people.

[...]

Now I think these people are arguing whether they should be able to dump all that stuff on the internet ought to consider if they should develop a system themselves.

Maybe there is a place for a commercial net but it's not using what consumers use every day.

It's not using the messaging service that is essential to small businesses, to our operation of families.

The whole concept is that we should not go into this until someone shows that there is something that has been done that really is a violation of net neutrality that hits you and me."

RS

Re:For Old Time's Sake (2, Interesting)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390275)

I have no particular fondness for Sen. Stevens, but I hope everybody who made fun of him for calling the internet a series of tubes finds themselves in the same position when they're older.

The guy hears the younger folks calling it a "pipe", he's got industry insiders telling him confusing, and misleading things about how the system works, and he screws up the analogy when he's talking about it later on. Big deal. Some day when you're not so young, you're going to screw up the jargon when you're talking about something new too.

In the meantime, go ahead. Make fun of the old guy who wanted to guarantee individual net access just because he didn't know enough of the lingo to properly get his point across. (Yes, I realize that he came to the wrong conclusion policy wise to accomplish what he was saying he wanted to accomplish)

Re:For Old Time's Sake (1)

aceofspades1217 (1267996) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390295)

wow that was pretty funny. I love how stupid he sounds. I mean I think he left out that people pay for different levels of internet coverage and use the internet differently. I mean just becasue he is so old and doesn't understand or really use the internet doesn't mean we should be like "hey your IMs are going to go an extra 10 ms faster because you don't use the internet a lot".

Time to clean house (4, Insightful)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390203)

And when will Dodd and the Democratic senators who got their mortgages personally handed to them by bank CEOs receive the same treatment? I'm not a partisan in this, and I do enjoy seeing Stevens go down, but this guy is just the tip of the iceberg. I suspect that most of Congress would have to be indicted if a sweeping investigation were done.

Bad News for the Democrats (2, Informative)

pnuema (523776) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390215)

The Democratic challenger to Steven's seat has actually been out-polling him in the last couple of weeks. The timing of this indictment means it is far more likely that Stevens will lose the primary next month, and Mark Begich will be facing a Republican without all of the baggage.

Bribes Don't Arrive in Dumptrucks... (1)

MonkeyCookie (657433) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390225)

...they arrive in a series of tubes! That's why we must limit bribes: they clog up the tubes.

Alaska, Voted #1 Destination for corruption! (1)

aceofspades1217 (1267996) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390239)

Wow that adn article is hilarious. Alaska is just crawling with these guys. I guess since its so cold and boring in alaska they have nothing better to do than steal. I mean it just kept going on and on.

Big Surprise (1)

al0ha (1262684) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390247)

Another megalomaniac politician is found corrupt. When will we ever become aware of what would be a true surprise, a politician who is found incorruptible? Perhaps when the people of America demand a return to a government for and by the people; instead of our current aristocratic governmental system. This system includes the candidate many of you currently "Hope" will usher in some sort of dramatic change. NOT!

Why do Democrats even bother running? (0, Troll)

tjstork (137384) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390261)

At the rate we Republicans are going, all of our guys are going to wind up in jail.

Re:Why do Democrats even bother running? (2, Insightful)

clam666 (1178429) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390437)

They deserve it. They've completely screwed themselves by not having even a nodding look at conservatism. Republicans had their time to prove themselves, and they proved they're just as bad and hypocritical as the democrats, and now they're going to lose the exectuive and legislative branches.

Many people, regardless of their "party" or lack thereof, are fiscally conservative and socially liberal in their day to day lives. We generally don't want to pay 90% in taxes, and we don't generally care what people do in their own homes, in their own lives, and we prefer if they don't get involved in telling us what we should be doing in our own lives either.

democrats and republicans have both failed completely, frankly I don't know what the difference is, other than republican's extremism is religion and democrat's extremism is environmental.

As much as we like to joke about this guy... (2, Informative)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390285)

his technological incompetence is the least of anybody's problems (yes, he's on the committee for regulating our future livelihoods and should understand this stuff..)

He's the guy who wanted the bridge to nowhere.... let's be frank that's a much larger problem than his blustering.

This is good - maybe the system works? It's too early to see

I guess his experience will be... (1)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390441)

$urreal, and totally tubular, and if on YouTube, then it'll be $irReel...

News for nerds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24390471)

Flash!! Republican indicted! Must... post... to... Slashdot...

Sure takes a long time to convict Congressmen (2, Interesting)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390485)

So, we've got Tom Delay, William Jefferson, and Ted Stevens (that I can recall off the top of my head) with outstanding indictments. All of these cases have been ongoing for YEARS. It took them 4 years to indict Stevens, and those indictments don't even cover the perjury or bribery charges. William Jefferson was busted red handed and he's still hanging around. These aren't complicated cases. I'd love to know why the wheels seem to grind so slowly for them. Hmmmmmm.....

William Jefferson (D, LA) Called (1)

strelitsa (724743) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390537)

He's intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter, Ted.

Tubes (1)

sydbarrett74 (74307) | more than 6 years ago | (#24390539)

I bet if he goes to prison, he'll get a whole network's worth of tubes shoved up his decrepit cornhole.
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