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Firefox 3.1 Alpha "Shiretoko" Released

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the get-your-compile-on dept.

Mozilla 385

Just as you were getting used to 3.0, those Mozilla guys have announced 3.1's Alpha release. FTA "Built on the pre-release version of the Gecko 1.9.1 platform, Shiretoko includes a variety of new features. Called an 'early developer milestone,' the release includes bug fixes, improved Web standards support, Text API for the Canvas Element, support for border images and JavaScript query selectors, and improvements to the tab-switching function and the Smart Location Bar." You can download it if you dare.

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Awesome bar disable? (3, Interesting)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 5 years ago | (#24402885)

Does it contain the ability to disable the 'Awesome Bar' completely?

Re:Awesome bar disable? (0, Redundant)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 5 years ago | (#24402981)

I hope so, the Awesome bar was the only reason why I switched back to Firefox 2. I really don't understand how they could do something so wrong.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24403137)

The awesome bar works a bit like google pagerank, by creating associations between your partial input and the page you choose from the menu. If you write the initial letter of the desired URL and then click on the page you want to visit, it will (very) soon behave like the old URL bar.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (2, Interesting)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404055)

Maybe they should change it, so that if it has no history, or the ranking difference between pages is very low, that it chooses more appropriate stuff, such as urls beginning with those characters. That way, on day one, it automatically matches to the URL, just like FireFox 2 did, and once it builds up a good enough history, it can start to make better decisions.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (4, Interesting)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403221)

I hope so, the Awesome bar was the only reason why I switched back to Firefox 2. I really don't understand how they could do something so wrong.

I thought the same thing, now I enjoy being able to access most of my sites with little more than a key press or two.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (3, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403411)

I've always been able to access most of my sites with little more than a key press or two. Hit 's' and slashdot.org is right there. The Awesome Bar pollutes the simplicity of the address bar with useless matches. If I really wanted to go to maps.google.com, I'd have started typing with an 'm' not an 's'.

The awesome bar is retarded.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (3, Interesting)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403537)

I've always been able to access most of my sites with little more than a key press or two. Hit 's' and slashdot.org is right there.

Yes but when I hit 't' that gives me The pirate bay, youtube, myspace, slashdot, flickr, in that order. I'm sorry but that is convenient. And I'm sure I could hit a different key for better results, but I'm pretty happy being able to visit nearly all my sites with one key press and a click. You pair that up with proper RSS feeds and you're golden.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (2, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403757)

If all you want is a list of your favorite sites accessible through a keypress, that's what bookmarks are for. I can see how that feature would be nice, but it really belongs as some sort of smart bookmarks, not in the address bar.

What sense does it make for myspace to come up when you hit a 't'? There's no 't' in the address at all! There's a fundamental UI maxim, the Principle of Least Astonishment [wikipedia.org] , in short, don't surprise the user. This is about the most astonishing behavior I could imagine from an address bar.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

deadmantyping (827232) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403907)

i too was confused by the inclusion of myspace in that list. I am using 3.0 and I have my awesome bar disabled, I use bookmarks, I really don't see where the problem is

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

STrinity (723872) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404109)

If all you want is a list of your favorite sites accessible through a keypress, that's what bookmarks are for. I can see how that feature would be nice, but it really belongs as some sort of smart bookmarks, not in the address bar.

Why? The address bar is already searching my history, so why not bookmarks too? Making a separate search bar would just add clutter.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (5, Interesting)

jomas1 (696853) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403561)

I don't know why you are being presented maps.google.com when you enter an "s". Personally I love this feature. Now if I want to go to the University of Houston's website I can start typing "Houston" rather than remember something conter-intuitive like https://www.ed2go.com/ [ed2go.com] (which is the UofH homepage)

For me Firefox is now bookmarking every site I visit and allowing me to search for these sites by keywords in the url or title of the webpage. This is much more useful than manually keeping a list of bookmarks that become useless as soon as there are too many to view without scrolling.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (5, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403823)

For me Firefox is now bookmarking every site I visit

That's the problem. The awesome bar conflates two different and important functions, the address bar and bookmarks. If they had provided a smart bookmarks feature instead of ruining the address bar, no one would be complaining.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24403611)

I politely disagree. I've been working on a web service project lately and keep forgetting the address to the WSDL and the documentation.

Prior to FF3 I would need to remember the start of the URL but now all I need to do is type "wsdl" into the address bar and since wsdl is in the address, it returns the correct URL every time. Its saved me a ton of extra work to look up the location. It's been great for cryptic URLs but for maps.google.com, I can remember that so I don't necessarily care about the awesome bar.

To each his own I suppose.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403649)

The results are sorted by relevance based on how often you visit that site, and how often you get there by hitting 's' in the address bar. If its bringing up maps.google.com first, that's apparently representative of how you browse. It knows me pretty damn well by now, and even typing in 'www' brings me up an extremely accurate list of the sites I still access by manually typing in URLs.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

MROD (101561) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403445)

Where as currently, with Firefox 2 I get to them without any key presses at all, it's all with two clicks of the mouse.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (0)

ndansmith (582590) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404197)

Where as currently, with Firefox 2 I get to them without any key presses at all, it's all with two clicks of the mouse.

Can't you do the same with Firefox 3? The Awesome Bar is a new feature (which can be disabled if you want), it is not intended as a replacement for good old point-and-click bookmarks.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (2, Insightful)

Torinaga-Sama (189890) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404039)

I can see where that would be useful, it just does not fit my personal browsing style and honestly the forced paradigm shift away from using the location bar where you reference URLs alphabetically to one where you search your history has been an unwelcome one for me at least. I have been trying to hit it with an open mind, as my love for the application is true, but I have to question the logic of making such a fundamental change non-toggleable. I personally would have preferred a more intelligent bookmarking system as I don't really need to see every redirect URL when I know exactly where I want to go.

It has also got me thinking that I am probably just a URL remembering dinosaur, and soon when the .product domains come online, no one will remember domain names anymore and we will have to search using history in such a manner.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (3, Informative)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403275)

I feel the same way. But it looks like they've made an effort:

If you prefer the results to always restrict to history and match only in the URL, you can go to about:config and change the corresponding preferences to nothing (edit the value and delete the special character). This way you can always be only searching your visited history and not worry about matching in the title.

The Javascript Query Selectors looks very interesting... I could really use that for unit testing.

The "border image" stuff has been a long time coming too... when I think of how many unnecessary nested tables I've had to build just because some suit wanted rounded corners of a certain color on everything, it makes me want to puke.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (2, Interesting)

Miladinoski (1280850) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404025)

Then instead of switching to a version of a browser which isn't conforming to the latest web standards (FF 2.x), you could have just tried Opera, which address bar is better (at least to me of course) than Firefox's.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (5, Funny)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 5 years ago | (#24402983)

thankfully, no

Re:Awesome bar disable? (5, Funny)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403127)

Everyone! Over here quickly, and bring your camera! I found the one person who likes the Awesome bar!

Re:Awesome bar disable? (5, Interesting)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403193)

I actually love it, being able to type just an 's' to go to slashdot, or an 'x' to go to xkcd. But I know you're just trolling so whatever.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (4, Insightful)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403283)

I could already do that in FF2. Awesomebar added nothing but annoyance.

But hey, that's what add-ons are for, right?

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403447)

Right, cause anyone who claims to dislike the feature is simply trolling. No one could actually, honestly dislike it!

Fanboy much?

thats good and all (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24403467)

but I got to more than a few sites with the same naming, it gets to be loads of fun when your trying to sort out forums.*

It should have a one click disable and it needs to be obvious how do so

AC because I was modding in this thread before replying

Re:Awesome bar disable? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24403471)

That worked just fine in FF2. Now when I type s I get "eBay - New & used electronics, cars, apparel, collectibles, sporting goods & more at low prices". I bought something online recently. God only knows how long it will take their ridiculous 'frecency' algorithm to realize I only go to eBay once in a while. Nothing like unpredictable, unreliable behavior to make a feature suck. Thanks, awesomebar!

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1, Insightful)

gehrehmee (16338) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403761)

And you expect it to guess what you want accurately from you typing a single character? Keep typing! That said, I've been shocked at how often it DOES guess correctly what I'm interested in on just 1-3 characters.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24404065)

I DON'T WANT IT TO GUESS ANYTHING. I want it to show me urls that start with the letter I typed. If I type 's' I don't want to see fucking ebay. Anywhere.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403885)

I haven't used FireFox 3, so I don't know what this 'Awesome Bar' thing is (although it has a painfully stupid name that makes me want to hate it already), but that's how I always used to get to Slashdot in Opera back in around 2002 - hit s, autocompletes to slashdot.org, enter. I just tried it in Safari, and it works too. I don't use it in Safari, however, because it associates the first ten bookmarks in your bookmarks bar with command-1 to command-9, even when the bar itself is hidden, and so I get to Slashdot by hitting command-5 (from anywhere, not just a specific text field). This is actually the feature I miss most in other browsers - not being able to get to my most-visited sites with a single key-chord.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (4, Interesting)

jd142 (129673) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403231)

Once I learned how to use it properly, I've grown to like it.

What do people hate about it? I'm genuinely curious.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (3, Interesting)

novafluxx (1089189) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403335)

No idea, I use to to navigate a lot faster than I did in FF2. I just start typing the name of something I have visited and it doesn't have to be the URL... I love it I think its awesome, but I guess having the option to disable it for those that want to disable it would be okay, as long as they don't complain about FF being "bloated."

Re:Awesome bar disable? (4, Informative)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403383)

Seriously, here goes:

I *hate* having to type stuff into the address bar. I only have about 20 entries in the browser history, but when I put FF3 on, most of those suddenly vanished and the only way I could get back to Slashdot was to type it in.

I don't want to type it in everytime I want to go there, why can't I just click on the fucking drop down arrow and look for it there, instead of typing in s.l.a.s until it finally comes up, then having to press the down arrow and hitting return. I could have found slashdot in 2 clicks and perhaps one scroll of the mousewheel.

I don't want to type in scummvm and get back 20 results of random pages containing the word scummvm but not a single one pointing to the main site.

In defence of the Awesome bar, I only used it for about an hour before dismissing it, but I reckon 1 hour is enough...

Re:Awesome bar disable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24403505)

Hey, I think there's still a feature where you can have a dropdown menu with the 20 sites you visit all the time... isn't it called "bookmarks" or something like that?

Re:Awesome bar disable? (3, Informative)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403563)

The awesomebar learns, and if you use it for a while, the sites you use most will move up the list.

Anyway, if you had about 20 entries you used in the dropdown list, why not use bookmarks on the toolbar? Keep the titles short, and you can fit in a fair number, and a folder or two goes a long way. If sites have recognizable favicons, you could even remove the titles and fit in a lot more.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

das3cr (780388) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403665)

Why not bookmark slashdot?

The bar searches your bookmarks too. When I type s slashdot is always the first mark returned.

I find the bookmark search has value because my history gets deleted so often.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (3, Insightful)

MROD (101561) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403763)

I'm sure that it's not really Slashdot he's talking about, merely using it as an example.

The drop-down menu history is VERY useful as a temporary set of bookmarks which you will only need for a short period (say a month) and don't want to litter your real bookmarks with.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403853)

The drop-down menu history is VERY useful as a temporary set of bookmarks which you will only need for a short period (say a month) and don't want to litter your real bookmarks with.

That is what I have a tmp folder on my bookmark toolbar for. Alternatively, if you use the awesome bar regularly, it should work fine for that use case.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (5, Informative)

spinkham (56603) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403671)

If you only have 20 places you want to go, that's what the bookmarks toolbar is for. It has a "most visited" dropdown by default, and room for at least 15 or so one click launches if you keen the names short.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24403799)

You could have some use for bookmarks to have the functionality you seek.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24403901)

what about the arrow to the right of the star that does exactly what you're talking about?

Re:Awesome bar disable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24404031)

On FF2, I used to do this: F6 or CTRL-L to go to the address bar, Delete to remove possible contents, Down arrow to display list of most visited addresses.

On FF3, however... wait, it works the same! So what is the problem?

Re:Awesome bar disable? (2, Informative)

zenslug (542549) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404073)

One hour is not enough. If you can stick with it for a few days it will learn what sites/pages you go to when typing s.l.a... For me, I was checking the iPhone availability page on Apple's website. Now, when I type in the letter 'a' it gives me the right link the first line.

Because it also looks at the title of the page, when I type in "amazon" it shows me the link to the email in my Gmail account that has the link to track my Amazon order. That's useful. I was about to head to Amazon's site and drill into my account, but instead I was only a click or two away from seeing the tracking info. If I want amazon.com I can instead hold down the control key and hit enter. I see it as more fast options in front of me.

I say you should give it some time first. It does take an adjustment, but it seems to pay off in the end.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

andy9701 (112808) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403483)

I think it's the "once I learned to use it properly" part that most people don't like.

Before I upgraded to FF3, I could type "a", down arrow, enter and it would take me to ArsTechnica, or "c", down, enter to go to CNN. Just after I first upgraded, doing that would take me to some semi-random URL that had those characters in it.

Now, however, when I do that it works as it did in FF2. As some others have said here, the AwesomeBar seems to have some sort of sorting algorithm behind it that puts more often visited sites towards the top of the list. This gives you more of what you expect to happen, although not at first.

I personally didn't like the AwesomeBar much at first, but now I don't mind it. My main complaint is that it doesn't auto-complete the URL for any matches. There is an about:config entry to have it auto-complete when it matches a URL, but it still doesn't auto-complete when it matches anything else. Maybe that option will be available in 3.1.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403541)

What do people hate about it? I'm genuinely curious.

People hate it because people, in general, hate change, and the Slashdot community is no exception to that rule. It seems to me that while some people tried it and genuinely did not like it (which is ok), most people tried it a few times (not nearly long enough to build the history database), got frustrated, and then declared that the Awesome Bar was evil and the bane of FF3.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

carnalforge (1207648) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403577)

Because i'm used as in all other browsers to just type the first URL characters (not considering the www) and getting URLs that start with those characters, not a randoom collection of stuff that just happens to have those characters somewhere. In short, it should be a location bar.
It's okay for me to have to change an obscure about:config setting to, no problem with that. But fucks sake, at least leave it configurable.

And, okay, an episode that happened to me related to the awfullbar; i was with the boss in front of my computer and had to make a quick search on google for checking something or such. Typed the first characters and got the pull down with the usual randoom collection of URLS not starting with what i typed. And much of those were from a porn site. And the icon included in the urls was the top of all.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404081)

and, okay, an episode that happened to me related to the awfullbar

And that's completely the a*bar's fault, and nothing to do with your browsing inappropriately at work?

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

fprintf (82740) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404155)

In your example, by the "Boss" do you mean:
a) your work boss, that is, you are now unemployed for using your work computer for p*rn?
b) your wife, that is, you are now getting it *less* for being found to be a dirty wanker?

Re:Awesome bar disable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24403441)

Doesn't count if he wrote it.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

Mattsson (105422) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403795)

Why is it bad to offer the user the option to configure Firefox the way he/she likes it?

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404119)

Why is it bad to offer the user the option to configure Firefox the way he/she likes it?

Within reason. Every time you "just make something configurable", you can be doubling the number of paths you have to test and validate whenever you change something.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (5, Insightful)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403211)

I loathed the Awesomebar too. When I first started using it I would type "s" and it would list sites I only visited once, a year ago, because they had an "s" somewhere near the end of the URL, while sites with 's' near the beginning were listed much lower. This is obviously broken functionality, but I'm seeing less and less of that sort of thing the longer I use it. The longer you use it the better it gets; it has some kind of sorting algorithm that takes a while to get going properly. I have found typing a single word of the page title to relocate a page useful on occasion, and I now go for days at a time without cursing this unremovable feature.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

omnipresentbob (858376) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403745)

It sorts mostly by recent history and frequency, from what I can tell. If I haven't been to a certain site in a week or so, it takes longer for it to find it.

Re:Awesome bar disable? (2, Informative)

Mattsson (105422) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403647)

There's an easy tweak that at least make the 'Awesome Bar' less annoying.

Go to 'about:config'
Change 'browser.urlbar.maxRichResults' to 1 (Or 0, but I've found 1 to work well for me)

Re:Awesome bar disable? (0, Flamebait)

felipekk (1007591) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404091)

[rant mode on]

Here is how to COMPLETELY disable the Awesome Bar:

Click Start, point to Control Panel, double click on Add and Remove Programs (or Programs and Features if on Vista), select Firefox 3.0 and click Uninstall.

Do the equivalent if on other platform.

If you installed a NEWER MAJOR version of a software, it is because you wanted NEW features.

The Awesome Bar is one of those things that I cannot live without anymore, and so won't you when you actually try to use it the way it should be used! And here's something I predict happening: Other browsers adopting the SAME behavior! So, you can either go back to your text based browsing age, or actually TRY the new feature!

This screencast [mozilla.com] shows how it can be very easy to use it in an effective way.

Trying to find a website by typing the EXACT BEGINNING of the URL doesn't make sense when you can search for things EASIER to remember, like TITLE, or BOOKMARK TAGS!

[rant mode off]

Re:Awesome bar disable? (1)

LargeMythicalReptile (531143) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404103)

As far as I can tell, no [mozilla.org] .

This is assuming you're using "disable completely" to mean "FF2-like functionality". I dislike the Awesome Bar, but it's better than having no location bar dropdown at all (which, for some reason, is what people seem to recommend when I complain--maxRichResults is not what I want, and neither are the other about:config options).

For those that don't know (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24402909)

Shiretoko = Longbottom Leaf

1420 was a great year!

Re:For those that don't know (2, Funny)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 5 years ago | (#24402961)

And here I was thinking it was a place where Hobbits got stoned.

Re:For those that don't know (1)

rufus t firefly (35399) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403057)

And here I was thinking it was a place where Hobbits got stoned.

Again, almost spit milk out my nose. Nice. Kinda like pointing out that Gran Paradiso sounds like an old hooker.

Re:For those that don't know (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403207)

Source? I am not seeing that anywhere on the net. All I see are references to a place in Japan.

Codename? (4, Funny)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 5 years ago | (#24402925)

Is that a Japanese word, or a reference to Hobbits smoking pot?

Re:Codename? (2, Informative)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403285)

Shiretoko Peninsula is pretty much the most northeastern point of Japan on the island of Hokkaido. It's an Ainu word that means earth's end or something similar (the Ainu are an indigenous people that still live there).

firefox are firecunts (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24402929)

firefox are firecunts.

I want Firefox Delta (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24402935)

The Delta quadrant was always my favourite quadrant... Alpha quadrant is sooo boring!

I'll be more than happy to try it (1)

atari2600 (545988) | more than 5 years ago | (#24402943)

If the build fixes my Gmail Firefox3 woes [google.com] . I didn't have any issues with Firefox3b5 on Hardy Heron (Ubuntu 8.04) but ever since I upgraded to FF3.0 and (even 3.0.1 doesn't address my issue), Gmail and firefox3 hate each other.

Re:I'll be more than happy to try it (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24403013)

I have no problems running FF3 with 2 and 3 tabs of different Gmail accounts open. I've only done this on Win2k, XP and Vista though.

Have you tried disabling all of your extensions to see if any of them are causing the problem?

Re:I'll be more than happy to try it (1)

atari2600 (545988) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403739)

FF3 is just fine on my XP gaming machine. It's just FF3 + Ubuntu 8.04 = headache. Yes all my extensions are off, I cleaned out the cache and removed every trace of FF on my machine (including apt cache) before reinstalling FF. It's a change that Gmail has made that's causing me (and a few people) grief. If I put Gmail in the "Older version" mode, all is well.

ATTENTION SHOPPERS! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24402953)

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Warning! Do not install! (1, Funny)

Channard (693317) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403069)

This may cause red water to leak out of your computer and turn your neighbours into homicidal maniacs. Oh wait, that's Shibito [playstation.com] - never mind.

download it if you dare? (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403115)

Bah, I have run the nightly builds of SeaMonkey over a year. Even with the nightlies, there are rarely any really serious problems.

woohoo! (5, Informative)

lucas teh geek (714343) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403141)

it's only taken 6 years [mozilla.org] , but finally Firefox has the option to use the Mac OS X System specified proxy. here's hoping it actually works

Re:woohoo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24403771)

Does that mean it also can use the Windows and GNOME specified proxy? God I hope so.

Trying to explain to someone how to set the proxy if Firefox is an effort in annoyance. For those not behind proxy servers, here's the way it's done:

1. Open up the options. This is done differently on each platform, so we'll gloss over that.
2. Click the Advanced icon.
3. Click on the Network tab. No, not the icons on the top, the tabs under them. Right, those tabs.
4. In the Connections section, click on the Settings button.
5. Select (Manual/Automatic/PAC) (as the fields are disabled otherwise).
6. Enter the required proxy settings.

This is a huge annoyance to walk people through when the corporate image already contains the right proxy settings. There should be no need to set them individually in Firefox. They're already set!

It's actually easier to set the GNOME proxy options than the Firefox proxy options. System, Preferences, Network Proxy, and steps 5 and 6 above.

Anyway, that's my minor Firefox rant for this thread. I'd love it if they fixed that. Walking new Firefox users through setting the proxy is really obnoxious, mainly due to the "two levels of tabs" thing. I can only pray that on all OSes it defaults to use the OS proxy setting.

Hmm, not sure about this (5, Insightful)

neokushan (932374) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403457)

The build includes a new tab-switching behavior that will force some users to change their habits. In the current version of FIrefox, Control-Tab opens up the next browser tab. Shiretoko changes this behavior, opening up a "filmstrip view" of a user's most-recently visited tabs. Pressing Tab repeatedly while holding down the Control key cycles through the various Tabs in a filmstrip. Developers say the filmstrip addition is a step toward "increased visual navigation and content organization."(Users who simply want to advance to the next tab can use Control-Page Down instead of Control-Tab).

I, personally, do not use Ctrl+tab to switch between tabs in firefox but I do not like the idea of them changing this functionality. In various other programs I use that have tabs, from mIRC to Visual studio (no, sorry, I haven't switched to *nix yet), ctrl+tab is the natural choice to swap between open tabs/windows and I do occasionally use this command here. It just seems universally consistent between most applications and Mozilla has decided to move away from this unofficial standard.
Wouldn't it be better to give this new functionality a new shortcut key, such as the aforementioned ctrl+pgdn?
Even Microsoft created a new shortcut key combination for Flip3D in vista and left the old alt+tab command more or less in tact.

Re:Hmm, not sure about this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24403765)

Wouldn't it be better to give this new functionality a new shortcut key, such as the aforementioned ctrl+pgdn?

new to you maybe, ctrl+pdup/pgdn is used in Excel to switch between tabs. and firefox 2 support ctrl+pgup/pgdn to switch tabs.

Re:Hmm, not sure about this (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403785)

Yeah, I've been using the nightly builds for a month. It showed up last week. Open about:config in the url bar, search on ctrlTab, and set the boolean to balse. That will clear it up.

The problem with the ctrl+tab vs ctrl+pgup/dn is that Gnome has this (bizarre) convention of bascially this functionality. (Minus the eye candy.) Me, I would prefer that they reverse it, as you suggest, but the Gnome defaults win (despite disagreeing with every other default I know.) Also, the developers believe that this behavior is more useful than the former behavior, so they want it in a more easily accessible hotkey.

I disagree, since Firefox takes longer to shrink the pages and display a thumbnails than it would just to display the tabs in full, in quick succession.

However, strictly speaking, the Firefox team is just copying this 'feature' from Opera. And if Opera's doing it, it must be the best thing since sliced bread (usability is so passé.)

Re:Hmm, not sure about this (1)

martinmarv (920771) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404113)

That's good news that there's a configuration setting to change this.
The worrying thing is that there were pieces of new Firefox 3.0 behaviour which were "switch-offable" in the alpha builds, but for which the configuration settings were removed later. For example, being able to switch off the AwesomeBar and being able to specify a permanent "Go" button in the URL bar (now you must install an extension to get the behaviour back).
I hope the developers do keep the ability to switch the Ctrl-Tab behaviour. Otherwise it will mean I stick with 3.0 or install YAFP (yet-another-Firefox-plugin).

Re:Hmm, not sure about this (4, Funny)

D Ninja (825055) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403991)

Additionally, with Ctrl+Tab (and not with Ctrl+PgDn) I can keep one hand on the keyboard and the other on my...mouse...um...for scrolling and stuff...um...

...you know...so I can browse and flip between pic...err...windows...err...

Crap.

Resizable text fields? (1)

Macka (9388) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403477)

I really hope they include this. Have got very used to having it in Safari, but am using Firefox more and more these days. I plan to switch to Firefox completely when I can get a Weave account and sync up across the different (mixed OS) desktops I use.

Re:Resizable text fields? (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403619)

Too bad we don't have access to the source code :( If this was an open source project, we'd be able to add in features like that.

Certificate madness banished too? (2, Insightful)

MROD (101561) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403485)

I do hope that they've made optional the terrible self-signed certificate warnings as well. They make Firefox 3 totally unusable with embedded software/devices which generate self-signed certificates every time they start up.

Fine, by default have the current set-up but allow users to revert to the old pop-up system so that they can keep their sanity if they know what they're doing!

Re:Certificate madness banished too? (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403713)

Why would an embedded device generate a new self-signed certificate each time it is started? That's insecure, unless you verify the self-signed certificate each time it changes. The fact that Firefox requests that you do that helps you to be more secure. If for some reason there's no need to verify the self-signed certificate, then there's no reason the embedded device needs to generate one, so the problem lies with the device.

Re:Certificate madness banished too? (1)

MROD (101561) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403869)

It does so because it has to probably. And seeing as the device is on a private network usig a private address range there's very little probability of spoofing. (It's not man in the middle attacking as such that the "certified" certificate is guarding against as both are equally invulnerable once the encrypted connection has been established.)

Re:Certificate madness banished too? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24404083)

I have quite a few embedded devices that have permanent self-signed certs, but none that generate a new one on every reboot.

What devices are these anyway?

Re:Certificate madness banished too? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403987)

Generating a new certificate on reboot makes sense, as long as it's signed with one in the box that doesn't change. You then trust the signing certificate, and the signed certificates are disposable. My guess would be that Firefox gives you the option to trust the signed certificate but not the signing certificate.

Canvas Element / API (0, Flamebait)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403613)

I don't think I'm understanding what this is. What W3C specification exists for a Javascript drawing API? I don't want Firefox embracing and extending web protocols. The other changes are in line with W3C specs, but this sounds like a cool whizzbang thing that developers might like. I don't want that stuff in there. If you want a drawing API, use Flash, or Java, or something else.

Re:Canvas Element / API (2, Informative)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403747)

I don't think I'm understanding what this is. What W3C specification exists for a Javascript drawing API?

HTML 5 [w3.org]

I don't want Firefox embracing and extending web protocols. The other changes are in line with W3C specs, but this sounds like a cool whizzbang thing that developers might like. I don't want that stuff in there. If you want a drawing API, use Flash, or Java, or something else.

Thankfully, we don't have uninformed luddites like yourself on the development staff

Re:Canvas Element / API (4, Informative)

bunratty (545641) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403753)

Canvas is part of HTML5, which was created by WHATWG. WHATWG is now part of the W3C, so canvas is a specification coming from the W3C. If you don't want canvas in web browsers, take it up with WHATWG and W3C, not Mozilla developers.

Re:Canvas Element / API (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403813)

What W3C specification exists for a Javascript drawing API?

HTML5 [w3.org] . Which is itself a W3C dump of the ongoing work over at the WHATWG [whatwg.org] . Here's the specific W3C text on Canvas [w3.org] :

The canvas element represents a resolution-dependent bitmap canvas, which can be used for rendering graphs, game graphics, or other visual images on the fly.

Authors should not use the canvas element in a document when a more suitable element is available. For example, it is inappropriate to use a canvas element to render a page heading: if the desired presentation of the heading is graphically intense, it should be marked up using appropriate elements (typically h1) and then styled using CSS and supporting technologies such as XBL.

When authors use the canvas element, they should also provide content that, when presented to the user, conveys essentially the same function or purpose as the bitmap canvas. This content may be placed as content of the canvas element. The contents of the canvas element, if any, are the element's fallback content.

In interactive visual media, if the canvas element is with script, the canvas element represents an embedded element with a dynamically created image.

In non-interactive, static, visual media, if the canvas element has been previously painted on (e.g. if the page was viewed in an interactive visual medium and is now being printed, or if some script that ran during the page layout process painted on the element), then the canvas element represents embedded content with the current image and size. Otherwise, the element represents its fallback content instead.

In non-visual media, and in visual media if the canvas element is without script, the canvas element represents its fallback content instead.

The work over at the WHATWG is a collaboration between Mozilla, Opera, and Apple. Microsoft was offered to contribute, but they declined. (Though a few Microsofties have been seen on the mailing lists as of late.)

Preferences Applications empty (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 5 years ago | (#24403689)

Can it allow the user to create new application associations when the operating system fails to provide any (i.e. the Preferences > Applications tab is blank)?

End of the world? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24403887)

Who would name a browser "end of the world"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiretoko_National_Park

Random Crashes FTW (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 5 years ago | (#24404035)

I hope they didn't use a build from this week. If you're using a nightly (or the alpha), I dare you to double click in this box.

Didn't crash? Ok, highlight this text, double click, and frantically click. Maybe try to copy the text just for fun.

If you're still here, either you're a smart little coward hiding behind your non-development browser, or they've fixed the bug.

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