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Windows Is Dead – Long Live Midori?

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the what-about-midori-linux? dept.

Windows 695

parvenu74 writes "A story from Infoworld is suggesting that the days of Windows are numbered and that Microsoft is preparing a web-based operating system code-named Midori as a successor. Midori is reported to be an offshoot of Microsoft Research's Singularity OS, an all-managed code microkernel OS which leverages a technology called software isolated processes (SIPs) to overcome the traditional inter-thread communications issues of microkernel OSes."

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Prediction (5, Interesting)

kalpol (714519) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404691)

web-based == subscription model.

Re:Prediction (1)

dahitokiri (1113461) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404773)

It would have to be one hell of an expensive subscription to bring in the kind of revenue the other desktop applications Microsoft produces, especially server side stuff.

Re:Prediction (5, Interesting)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405251)

If the replacement rate for a desktop computer is 3 years, and everyone buys for $250 and Windows for $130 - that's less than $400 over 3 years... or just over $10 monthly.

If I had a website that offered full MS Office functionality and compatibility for $10/month... wanna bet I'd have some takers? They'd need 366 million customers to equal their current revenue using this model.

Worldwide, PC sales are supposed to grow to over 250 million/year by 2010, so while their target would be ambitious - it is feasible if they could rope roughly half of new PC buyers into this new model.

Re:Prediction (3, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404793)

web-based == subscription model.

And quite pointless with people moving to mobile devices instead of desktops. While mobile Internet connections are increasing in availability and bandwidth, they are not mainstream enough to allow Windows to be completely replaced by the model.

Re:Prediction (5, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404989)

Even if high speed wireless internet access was as wide spread as cellphone access, would that still be enough? There are enough dead zones, that many people would not be able to access their computer at all, which is unacceptable. Also, people seem to forget that the wireless is pretty limited. It works well for now, when people are just downloading email, or browsing a few websites, but I think the amount of bandwidth to run (what would amount to) a remote desktop connection, multiplied by the number of people using windows, would quickly overload any kind of wireless setup we could get. Obviously not everybody would have to use wireless connections, but if everybody who was currently using their desktop on wireless started using a remote desktop on wireless, the system would undergo a lot of strain.

Worms will soon find a home @ MICROSOFT (2, Funny)

KozmoKramer (1117173) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404823)

These new worms will infect the entire MS user base via the subscription servers.

>>>>GAME OVER

Re:Prediction (1)

jadedoto (1242580) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404881)

What happens when something like the DNS exploit is applied to Midori?

Re:Prediction (5, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404969)

web-based == man in the middle attacks

Can you imagine a MITM on your OS?
Bad guys would no longer need physical access to your box,
Only access to your network.

Re:Prediction (2, Interesting)

icsx (1107185) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405023)

Exactly. Microsoft is preparing for virtual computing which means that you have only screen, keyboard and small terminal with internet connection at home. All data and stuff gets placed into Microsoft server and you are using your terminal only to access it - from anywhere that you want.

Re:Prediction (5, Insightful)

snl2587 (1177409) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405155)

All data and stuff gets placed into Microsoft server and you are using your terminal only to access it - from anywhere that you want.

I'm sorry: I trust no company with all of my data. That's why I don't use Google docs or Microsoft's current document offering. And now they want to store all of my data? I, for one, will gladly continue using Linux.

Re:Prediction (5, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405141)

How does one have a web-based operating system anyway? If you're running your OS inside a web browser, what is the web browser running on? Is it just turtles all the way down?

Re:Prediction (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405341)

web-based=Single point of failure
web-based=loss of market share.

TLA conflict (3, Informative)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404705)

There is a Three Letter Acronym conflict with SIP as SIP already means Session Initiation Protocol [wikipedia.org] .

Re:TLA conflict (1)

Saint Stephen (19450) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405011)

It also stands for Software Input Panel on PocketPC.

Re:TLA conflict (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24405065)

You may be interested to know about homographs [wikipedia.org] .

A homograph is one of a group of words that share the same spelling but have different meanings.

Many English nouns have not yet been monopolized, and thus are still public domain.

Re:TLA conflict (1)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405261)

TLA is itself in conflict

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TLA [wikipedia.org]

Perhaps some kind of fight to the death will resolve this.

Windows is dead? (4, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404709)

Personally I will wait to see what netcraft has to say about that.

Thin Client? (4, Insightful)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404725)

Remind me again how this differs from a Thin Client?

Re:Thin Client? (5, Funny)

ninjapiratemonkey (968710) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404819)

Midori is going to be coded to crash at least once every 24 hours to ease regular Windows users into this "new" technology. Other than that, it's the same.

Re:Thin Client? (0, Flamebait)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404903)

Midori is going to be coded to crash at least once every 24 hours to ease regular Windows users into this "new" technology. Other than that, it's the same.

Oh, shut up already. These jokes are getting old and redundant. My Windows XP has not crashed a single time in months. Windows is no longer associated with BSOD.

As for the thin client claim, yes, this is the exact same thing and the post you replied to is also a bit redundant in its tone. Let's discuss the implications of Microsoft's move instead of bitching about things you don't know.

No longer associated with BSOD? (3, Insightful)

Lilith's Heart-shape (1224784) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405027)

Oh, shut up already. These jokes are getting old and redundant. My Windows XP has not crashed a single time in months. Windows is no longer associated with BSOD.

Sorry, but Windows will always be associated with BSOD in my mind. I never forgive, and I rarely forget.

Re:No longer associated with BSOD? (5, Insightful)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405091)

In that case, I suggest that you install one of the first Linux dists and see how much you are willing to forgive and forget. That kind of thinking is just silly as everything sucks at some point, which is why improvements are being made.

Re:No longer associated with BSOD? (1)

Lunix Nutcase (1092239) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405169)

I'm forced to run Linux .01 you insensitive clod!

Re:No longer associated with BSOD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24405281)

but. . . you're not Anonymous. . .

Re:No longer associated with BSOD? (1, Insightful)

kabocox (199019) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405283)

Sorry, but Windows will always be associated with BSOD in my mind. I never forgive, and I rarely forget.

And Linux will always be associated with a very painful user experience that just isn't worth the amount of effort involved. Those that like pain love Linux. I can say that I've encountered a BSOD in XP but it must have been less than a dozen times spread across 5 years and over 80 computers. To me, Win98 was BSOD. Linux is painfully annoying. Win2000 was the first really solid MS OS. WinXP made Win2000 shiny. We've not tried Vista yet.

Linux and open source has been useful but annoyingly painful.

Re:No longer associated with BSOD? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24405331)

You must not have a lot of friends.

Re:Thin Client? (5, Funny)

Hairy Heron (1296923) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405037)

Windows is no longer associated with BSOD.

Exactly. During the early days of Vista it was the Red Screen of Death.

Re:Thin Client? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24405069)

I notice you aren't using Vista? Well I am, and in addition to having to reboot several times a week for updates and software installs, it crashes if I leave it up for more than 2-3 days.

My Windows XP install at home runs fine, but I don't install anything on it other than a couple video games. I would be surprised if it held up under much more than that.

Re:Thin Client? (0, Redundant)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405231)

These jokes are getting old and redundant. My Windows XP has not crashed a single time in months

I'd have modded that "funny", it made me laugh! I read it as "Windows only crashes every few months!"

Mine crashed repeatedly, while its Linux partition was rock solid. Now the computer itself is like a rock - the power supply had been going out, causing the crashes. I'm using an old box I dragged out of the basement until I get the energy to replace the power supply.

Re:Thin Client? (2, Informative)

Legion_SB (1300215) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405277)

The "crash" jokes may be old, but depending on usage patterns, Windows XP still requires a healthy regimen of "reinstall and start fresh" for long-term use.

In my XP usage lately, I have been unamused at how my torrent client starts throwing "insufficient resources" errors, and the entire XP windowing system starts failing to draw windows correctly, even though there's absolutely no lack of free RAM or hard drive space. Looks like it's time for me to dig that XP disk out again...

Re:Thin Client? (2, Interesting)

Akaihiryuu (786040) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404963)

It doesn't...they are describing a thin client. While I agree that thin clients are nice in a lot of situations, there is no way in hell I would use a thin client as my primary OS. And I will not use a thin client at all (well, outside of a corporate/work environment anyway) unless *I* control the server for it. If I want to put a couple thin client terminals around my house that run off my Linux server, fine. I'm curious how they think a thin client will work as a primary OS anyway. It won't...you have to have SOME OS on the computer. And I really don't think anyone is going to be using PXE over the internet.

Re:Thin Client? (4, Interesting)

mlts (1038732) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405189)

It seems that every ten years, someone re-invents the thin client.

First it was dumb terminals connected to a mainframe, then to a serial port box so one can connect to a UNIX box.
Then came XStations which used various (direct, indirect, broadcast) forms of XDMCP to find a host to download microcode and run apps from.
Then, it was JavaStations where people talked about fast broadband access to stuff on the ISP's server, and not to worry about all their private documents being stored offsite.

This just seems like more of the same, perhaps an offshoot of cloud computing. It will work for a couple niches here and there, but as a whole, Net based operating systems will fail, as people want to keep their stuff private on their own systems.

Same disadvantages apply. Security of stored files for example -- I trust my external TrueCrypt encrypted drive that uses both a long passphrase and a set of keyfiles a lot more to securely store my Word documents than I do some random ISP's computer.

With a web based OS... (5, Funny)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404743)

what am I going to do with all of that fancy hardware I bought to run Vista?

Re:With a web based OS... (4, Funny)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404853)

You'll need it to render the silverlight apps.

Re:With a web based OS... (3, Funny)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404955)

It makes a great ottoman. On a cold day, plug it in, voila, warm feet!

Problems (1)

elemnt14 (1319289) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404749)

I dont see how this would ever work. Wouldn't there be privacy issues with this, seeing it would be web based? Also since it is web-based, if the storage device(s) that are holding the OS crashes, what would happen to those people using it? I think a OS on your base computer is the best way to go, that way you can tweak it to your liking and do whatever the hell you want.

Huh? (2, Informative)

circlingthesun (1327623) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404755)

I though Midori was an open source web browser

Re:Huh? (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404877)

I though Midori was an open source web browser

It's a linux distro [sourceforge.net]

Re:Huh? (2, Interesting)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404991)

No, she's an anime character [wikipedia.org] !

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24404901)

or a flavor of linux

prior art of a sense... (1)

deft (253558) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405003)

And here i thought it was a tasty melon liquer.

A Link to the Print Version? (4, Funny)

phantomcircuit (938963) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404757)

A link to the print version in TFS? This cannot be slashdot... damn DNS must have been poisoned!

Leverage your ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24404769)

Useless business speak filter score = through the roof.

Here's hoping.... (5, Funny)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404789)

... that it doesn't suck! Linux still needs competition to keep us on our toes!

Re:Here's hoping.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24405063)

Like Tux, I'm sitting, and smiling... pondering a world where microsoft leaves all the desktops for a strange new world wide web... and then never comes back. Then linux will remain to fill the void: The cold cold operating systemless void.

L

Why? (4, Insightful)

Darkstorm (6880) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404805)

I don't get it, why would I want to trust Microsoft, or anyone, with all my files?

I think I like the current model, I buy a computer and it is mine, I can put whatever I want on it, and I can use it with or without the internet.

I guess when my unreliable comcast cable modem drops offline I guess that means a worthless terminal till it comes back up. This is an improvement....how?

Re:Why? (1)

PingSpike (947548) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405025)

I think your last point is the crux of it. Assuming your average home user even has broadband available, there's a good chance its crap. And with all the talk of limiting broadband bandwidth usage by ISPs instead of expanding it, it doesn't look like its going to get any better any time soon. I fail to see how using the often clunky and unreliable broadband connections that are present in only some of your average American's households as the backbone of a new operating system is going to be much of improvement for consumers.

I know Microsoft is eager to move to a different revenue model, as are a lot of software companies...but quite frankly, they are putting the cart before the horse.

Re:Why? (1)

langelgjm (860756) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405165)

I think your last point is the crux of it. Assuming your average home user even has broadband available, there's a good chance its crap.

You're right. I'm thinking of my parents, who live in a rural area. Dialup is currently their only affordable option. Satellite and long range wireless are theoretically available, but too expensive. If they were to get a new computer that came with a web-based operating system, it would be unusable.

Re:Why? (1)

ZenDragon (1205104) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405159)

I think you are missing the point. The point, in my opinion, is not that every machine must be connected to the internet, but that each machine uses the same interconnected "hypervisor" model. A machine can still run interdependently, but running in a virtual environment that can scale infinitely and be "hot swapped" to other machines and devices. Using web based technologies allows all applications and even the entire OS itself to exist anywhere be it on the machine or on the web itself.

Re:Why? (1)

Hairy Heron (1296923) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405207)

Can you translate that to English from buzzword-laden marketing speak, please?

Re:Why? (1)

ZenDragon (1205104) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405271)

And not only that, but each application exists in its own "hypervisor" which allows it to exist independently of the underlying infrastructure. Which minimizes security risk and maximizes portability.

Midori is a Linux distro from Transmeta (4, Informative)

3seas (184403) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404825)

Midori Linux from Transmeta - Linus T. [sourceforge.net]

Guess MS will just have to change the name....

And a drink (2, Informative)

T-Kir (597145) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405043)

A green liqueur called Midori® [midori-world.com] and is a noted brand, it would be very interesting if MS did ever release an OS under that name but I think their legal team would do their homework on that one.

Re:And a drink (5, Funny)

dch24 (904899) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405311)

This is a transcript of MS Legal discussing a new name: (ok, it's a joke. laugh.)

SBalmer: Developers! We need a new chair, I mean a new name for the Vista code. It can't start with a V -- people already think virus with that. And it should go to eleven.

BSmith: Why don't we call it Door?

SBalmer: That's a good idea. But a web service should start with "my."

BSmith: Then call it MyDoor.

SBalmer: Web 2.0 starts with an 'i.' How do we add an 'i' to it?

BSmith: MiDoorI?

Assistant Paralegal to BSmith: Sir, that name is already trademarked.

SBalmer: Buy 'em out, boys. [about.com]

Re:And a drink (1)

Ashtead (654610) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405357)

I don't suspect that there would be a problem with that. Just as it isn't a problem with the Microsoft brand of synthetic pillow material. [purax.com.au] .

Drinks, pillows and operating systems are sufficiently different.

The Linux distro [sourceforge.net] or the web browser [wikipedia.org] are more likely points of conflicts. Something will have to give here.

Re:Midori is a Linux distro from Transmeta (1)

linuxpyro (680927) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405049)

I always thought it was a Web browser [wikipedia.org] .

Re: Midori is a Linux distro from Transmeta (2, Funny)

edalytical (671270) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405061)

And a liqueur! Midori [midori-world.com] .

Re:Midori is a Linux distro from Transmeta (4, Informative)

TorKlingberg (599697) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405239)

It's Japanese for "green".

This is great news! (3, Informative)

Channard (693317) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404833)

I hope this is the first of many operating systems to be named after porn stars. [wikipedia.org]

Re:This is great news! (5, Funny)

Wiarumas (919682) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404891)

They named it after a porn star because of its gaping (security) holes and abundance of viruses.

Re:This is great news! (3, Interesting)

Arionhawk (1115559) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404965)

I hope you're being sarcastic, because Midori is just a feminine Japanese name meaning green.

Re:This is great news! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24405099)

Cool! And they can name the next release of Windows "Linda Lovelace", cause, you know, it REALLY sucks!

Re:This is great news! (1)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405225)

Err.... Obviously they named it after the color blue/green.

Re:This is great news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24405321)

I'm gonna name my distributions off of asian porn stars. Not only will they attract the asian market for linux, but they will attract more slashdotters to ultrasecure asian porn sites. No pop-ups, no mess.

(The author apologizes for the last remark and begs the forgiveness of the slashdot community)

Windows dead? Dobut it. (3, Insightful)

loconet (415875) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404843)

They can't even manage to get out a decent web based mail service and they want to have a whole OS on the web? Really?

I'm not too familiar with MS's services on the web but is there one that displays MS's competency on a web environment?

Re:Windows dead? Dobut it. (1)

vinividivici (919782) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404945)

I dobut it too, man.
I dobut it too.

Not Likely (1)

Arionhawk (1115559) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404851)

all this talk about web based applications just sounds like a lot of hype to me. I can't see anyone in a home environment actually willing to put up with that crap, it might work for businesses, but I could never see something like this taking over in the home.

Re:Not Likely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24405113)

I can't see anyone in a home environment actually willing to put up with that crap, it might work for businesses

More than unlikely businesses will want to put with that either, privacy being far more important to most business than to most individuals.

I hate people who mod indescriminately

I hate people who spell "indisciminately" incorrectly.

browser (1)

kellyb9 (954229) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404855)

And (of course) it all runs on Internet Explorer! Yeah... this is going to turn out GREAT.

People will move to Apple. (3, Insightful)

jgarra23 (1109651) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404909)

I can't imagine my mom wanting to shell out money over and over to Microsoft a la subscription just to play solitaire, check her email and play flash games, can you envision your parents wanting to do this?

Furthermore, I can't imagine my mom wanting to bother trying to set up wireless in ANY Linux distro, can you envision your grandparents doing so? My mom will likely buy an Apple, my sister & her husband will buy an Apple, everyone I know will by one instead of wanting to put up with another monthly bill. Really. Steve Jobs marketing machine will win this one.

Re:People will move to Apple. (1)

AceofSpades19 (1107875) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404977)

I can't imagine my mom setting up wireless on any operating system by herself

Re:People will move to Apple. (1)

linuxpyro (680927) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405173)

Hmm, I could see my mom getting a Mac. My dad might get into it too, but I think that both could get used to Ubuntu. Chances are whichever they chose I'd end up helping them get it going, so setting it up wouldn't be an issue. My brother uses both an Ubuntu PC and a Mac and does fine.

I could see this as being a great opportunity for both platforms. Maybe we'll even see more native Linux versions of commercial apps with a bit more competition.

Re:People will move to Apple. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24405343)

I've only recently found out how much of a mac appreciation lesson Vista is... they've broken all the good bits that were left in Windows and failed to fix the other stuff. It's a nightmare that, thankfully, I don't have to get my head around too much...

Re:People will move to Apple. (-1, Flamebait)

leoxx (992) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405291)

Furthermore, I can't imagine my mom wanting to bother trying to set up wireless in ANY Linux distro

Yes, because it is so f'ing difficult to turn on a computer, click on the little icon, select the wireless network to connect to and then enter the password. So so difficult. I had better tell my computer-phobe in-laws that they need to stop using their Linux laptop which a guy on the internets says is impossible.

Not going to happen. (1)

vinividivici (919782) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404925)

I personally can't forsee this happening. Even Microsoft isn't stupid enough to adopt a platform that everyone doesn't have the ability to run. Sure, Vista needed a hardware upgrade on most systems in order to run, but with a web-based OS, a decent high speed connection is needed, which the majority of users don't have access to. Sure, DSL and cable are available to the majority, but that won't be sufficient to provide a good end-user experience. The only viable options for internet that I can see would be fiber optics or a fast T-carrier. In order to kill massive amounts of latency in this application Microsoft would either have to compress everything going to and from their servers. Also, how does MS plan to deal with huge amounts of traffic?

Web-based Apps (1)

Dripdry (1062282) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404931)

I don't know if this is going to be similar, but my company recently rolled out some web-based software, replacing programs held locally.

While the concept is nice, the system is terribly slow, takes up an enormous amount of virtual memory (don't ask me why), and is prone to serious fatal errors. This program is supposed to be a lynch pin (sp?) of our business over here. Plus, if the web is out, it's tough to do business. If there are serious server issues sometimes we can't use it. If our internet connection is out, we can't use it.

I'm sure the technology is there to do this, but I still question the inherent flaws in a web-based system. is Windows going from bad to worse?

no need for netcraft confirmations (1)

alxtoth (914920) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404939)

Have you noticed the trend: the Novell deal, Zune failure, pushing water uphill with OOXML, refusal by Yahoo, platinum sponsorship for Apache, faking Mojave as a better Vista? Somewhere in between they make a toy research OS and publish it's source code. Fast forward few years, and they'll be running Linux

Keeping in true Windows tradition (0, Troll)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404949)

Keeping in true Windows tradition it will require a 12 terabit connection to your ISP.

Here's the problem with an online OS... (1)

Bin_jammin (684517) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404951)

You're limiting yourself to people that have internet access. Sure, the internet is available widely these days, but how well with that work with dial-up access? Will it slow the machine down? I think what Microsoft needs to do is come up with a WATER powered OS, after all, everybody lives near water, even in the desert. It's crucial to existence, or perhaps an AIR powered solution? They can tie in with all the major utilities, that way you can get your broadband AND os over powerlines.

Midori is dead, long live XP (1)

petes_PoV (912422) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404975)

Show me the killer app. Make it worth my while to upgrade from XP and I'll do so. However it's got to be worth the pain of beefing up my hardware, possibly renewing my applications and changing any incompatible components. In short, I'll have to toss all my existing stuff and start from scratch, whatever comes next will have to be pretty dam' good (and I don't mean with more restrictions, spped bumps and changed ways of doing the same things) for it to be worth the hassle.

Win8, codename Midori (3, Insightful)

Dracos (107777) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404979)

If MS kills Windows as we know it an replaces it with Midori, it'll take at least 5 years to happen, and Midori will still be called Windows.

MS is a slow, lumbering marketing company, not a fast, agile technology company. They'll never walk away from the Windows brand.

Information encapsulation (3, Insightful)

headkase (533448) | more than 6 years ago | (#24404993)

The medium is the message as some wise guy once put it. It makes sense that in the future Information will also encapsulate the functionality to manipulate it and these units will zip around the network on demand. It is a paradigm shift in that monolithic applications with a bagillion features will be obsolete - the units will contain just enough functionality to manipulate them and mash them together. The OS in this role sinks to the level of what the BIOS is today - essential but unnoticed.

Windows Midori? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24405005)

I just hope nobody goes and googles "Midori" from behind a corporate firewall, that's all I'm sayin'.

Defense against Linux boxes? (4, Interesting)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405017)

The Eee and its ilk have shown that people are willing to buy Windowsless boxes, which is an affront to Microsoft's business model. You have to wonder if Midori is a "plan B" to allow them to continue to get revenue from Linux users. Alan, Bob and Clarence may well be willing to pay $10 a month for "Windows access" on their Eees if it lets them use Office, and this way Microsoft have a guaranteed revenue stream whatever OS people actually buy with their machine. Especially if it's agressively marketed and bundled.

Re:Defense against Linux boxes? (1)

Neil Watson (60859) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405327)

If I had to use applications owned by Microsoft, accessing them via a browser agnostic website could be very useful. I could work with a UNIX based computer yet still have access to applications like Visio.

Not Web Based (5, Informative)

ThinkFr33ly (902481) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405131)

Midori will *not* be "web based", whatever the hell that means.

Being "internet centric" and connected to "the cloud" is not the same has being web based.

Midori is being designed in such a way that components of the OS communicate with each other in a location independent manner. API calls to a local machine are no different than API calls to a remote machine. These calls will also be "message based" (there are lots of ways to interpret that) and be transactional in nature.

Above these kinds of low level things, there will be a much tighter and more integrated connection to the network. Your profile will roam with you no matter where you are using P2P style communications similar to how Live Mesh works, although supported by core OS components instead of via RSS synchronization.

So if your idea of a "web based" OS is like what I've described above, then yes... it's web based.

But if you're thinking about a subscription-based model where a user must boot their OS "from the web" like a dumb terminal, then you're way off.

Lastly, this thing is at least 7 to 10 years off. Windows 7 will ship sometime next year (or perhaps early in 2010), and Midori isn't even out of MS Research yet. If we saw something like this before Windows 8 / 2015, I'd be damn surprised.

Proprietary Javascript (2, Interesting)

c0d3r (156687) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405133)

This probably means that M$ is going to add a bunch of proprietaries to Javascript through IE and start adding language features to make a proprietary platform. Even so more, probably access to the win32 api via javascript. Even more so, probably JITed c#, wait.. wasn't java supposed to do this?

What's old is new again... (3, Interesting)

_Knots (165356) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405143)

This is almost exactly the same thing, in spirit at least, as Inferno (http://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/), which started in 1995 and has been under continuous development since. Managed kernel, runs on real hardware, uses software isolation between managed threads... oh, and has code flying, for real, right now. :)

Scratch and sniff... (1)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405149)

Midori is reported to be an offshoot of Microsoft Research's Singularity OS,...

And will taste like Muskmelon [wikipedia.org] - yummy!

alternate idea (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405167)

OS X and Desktop linux are gaining mindshare and deskshare. Microsoft needs the rethink their role and what an operating system is. I occasionally run windows via virtualbox (in seamless mode) on my Macintosh. Many others use parallels, VMWare, Wine, etc. Much like NeXT transitioned from an operating system to an API/Framework (running under NT, HPUX, Solaris, OpenStep 4,2, etc), I think MS needs to provide a wine-like solution allowing windows applications to run under other operating systems. This would allow them to keep their Win32 API as a majority standard even as their core OS shrinks into irrelevancy.

Vista taught us something (1)

ClosedEyesSeeing (1278938) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405185)

As long as people and companies complain about it enough they'll just announce a newer version and allow users to use their legacy OS until it comes out.

1. Release OS that people accept
2. Release OS people hate
3. Re-release old OS for more and charge for downgrade to old OS
4. Profit!

I see one BIG issue besides M$ being useless (1)

VEGETA_GT (255721) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405233)

Se we all know M$ could not code there way out of a paper bag. I will say after a while XP became decent enough to use, but looking at there track record or lack of security and general crap web apps, I don't see this happening or at least being a big hit.

But lets say they do actually pull this thing off and make a stable working system there is one BIG thing they have not figured out yet, Bandwidth CAP. That's right in Canada most ISP's have caps, depending on how much you spend they range form 30 to 95 gigs. In the US some ISP's have them and some like Comcast are looking into some, but at least Comcasts 250gig cap is somewhat resalable. But now not we want a OS online, um how much of the bandwidth cap will that chew up considering we are already dealing with caps while still download movies and music (legal stuff assumed here by general public), toss in updates and anything else and um lets enjoy some overage cap fees. So M$ wants to make a online Os while its becommign more expensive to have a large bandwidth. In Canada each gig over costs so much cash tell a specific point I think 254 then they stop charging and you effectively get unlimited internet but say you have a 40$ account now its a 75$ account not including extra fees like the modem. That's a big extra especially since a OS like this will also end up being a monthly fee which in the end NO ONE LIKES. MAC will get a big boost, Linux will see some and this could even kill the game industry for pc as it will have to move to MAC or Linux and at that point they may just go console, ya sins of solar empire on a console, not my idea of sum

That's my 2 cents plus 5$ more

Microsoft is dead (0, Troll)

n1_111 (597775) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405237)

There is no innovation. ....idiots.

Don't Kid Yourself (4, Insightful)

smackenzie (912024) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405247)

To believe for a moment that the "days of Windows is numbered" is idiotic. Consider a few points:

1. The PC continues to be a dominant gaming platform which will never fly with a thin client OS or internet OS.

2. 9 out of 10 (my guess, might be higher) businesses out there will never consider an OS that is entirely dependent on a working internet connection. (And don't counter with "well, what about web services companies?" I mean top to bottom activities in a single company such as accounting, HR, project management, security services, legal, design, PR, etc.)

3. There will be a relative correlation between productivity and your internet speed. Not exciting.

4. Most of us would like to remain reasonably productive in environments where there is no internet connection (planes, trains, parks, beach, over seas, etc.)

5. People seem to forget that the browsers themselves as well as many of the browser features that they depend on (Flash, Movies, ActiveX, PDF, Java) all depend on some version of an OS with a "more than thin client and more than kernal" layer to begin with...

Singularity OS is a smart move (managed code, new process security measures). And you'll see a MAJOR uptick in SaaS and "cloud computing" (whatever the hell that means these days) from Microsoft, but we will not be rid of a client OS from Microsoft in this lifetime.

Trivia ... (5, Interesting)

Bob-taro (996889) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405275)

"Midori" is Japanese for "green". It is also a common female first name.

I don't know how either would apply to an OS, unless it has some connection to this [wikipedia.org] .

Midori liquor (1)

jhines (82154) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405303)

I remember being shown an ad in French magazine that showed a couple in hi fashion tux and dress, and
the girl was barfing green puke all over the guys shins and shoes.

I was told the ad text translated to "Midori: the feminine way to vomit".

Midori, huh? (1)

midnitewolf (673923) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405345)

So they go from making a Lemon of an OS to a Melon of an OS?

The acronym brains at MS have been working overtime.

Ugh (1)

readin (838620) | more than 6 years ago | (#24405349)

I've waited so many years to hear that Windows is dead, and when announcement is made we find Windows is supposed to be replaced by something worse. A "web-based operating system"? So I have to be logged into the internet just to use my computer? I have to pay a subscription so I can continue using my computer? Of course maybe "web-based operating system" is not the right term. From reading TFA it sounds like what they're really promoting is a virtual machine environment that all your apps run on rather than having dependencies on the physical machine. That wouldn't be so bad. But please keep the web out of it.

Doom! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24405351)

Let's see here. I run Firefox with NoScript and CookieSafeLite, so that no-one can run scripts or drop crumbs on my system without my prior approval. I pay for secure anonymous proxies because my research sometimes leads me into strange corners of the net. I hate (and don't use) Vista because, among other reasons, I trust my own judgement of what to run on my system much more than the OS vendors'.

I despair of ever teaching my family an appropriate mistrust of the net.

And now, we have a Microsoft OS that is likely *designed* to have a big 'ol pipeline to the ISP that can only be "managed" by vendor-approved apps, and will leave a trail of user-identifying info behind it for QOS purposes.

We're all doomed.

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