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Spore Almost Ready for Production, Complete With "Sporn"

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the people-will-always-find-a-way dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 127

It seems that there has been some backlash over questionable creature creation with the Spore creation tool. Some of this content has been cleverly and obviously nicknamed 'Sporn'. For better or worse, Spore's Producer Thomas Vu is saying the long-awaited game should be ready for production in about a week, keeping it on track for the announced September 7th release.

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fp! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24420719)

yippee

Rule 34. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24420775)

There is sporn of it. No exceptions.

If there is not sporn of it, someone will design sporn of it.

Re:Rule 34. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24425845)

Everyone seems to love rule 34 but I wish more people would remember rules 1 and 2!

Re:Rule 34. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24428855)

I would make a witty remark, but I must go to design spork sporn before anybody else.

Anonymous Bullard

The only question worth asking: (4, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24420839)

Did they pull the phone-home copy protection or not?

Re:The only question worth asking: (5, Informative)

MagusZeal (1156955) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421305)

When they pulled it from Mass Effect they said they'd do the same with Spore, we're still left with the crappy ass token activation scheme along with authenticating when you first start it and on new patches. I really hate token activation, but they at least pulled the phone home every ten or so days crap.

Re:The only question worth asking: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24422801)

It looks like the game Sacred2 will require you to be connected to the internet EVERY TIME you log into the game, so it can phone home, as part of a new SecureROM feature.

UGH! The game will flop on that alone. And I had such high hopes!

Re:The only question worth asking: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24422625)

Uh, no. It's a duh. You need to contact their server to get creatures to populate your world, other than your own.

Re:The only question worth asking: (3, Interesting)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 6 years ago | (#24423847)

Quite why they can't just have a serial number and, since it relies on the net, leave it at that is beyond me. No, they'd rather install vicious copy protection.

This should be the greatest game of the year, but with the microtransaction thing, and the offensive copy protection, EA are fucking it all up. I know my "I MUST GET THIS!" mindset has, in the wake of this, sunk too "Well I'll probably get this depending on the copy protection." I mean really, the only worse thing EA could do at this point is use Starforce.

Re:The only question worth asking: (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24424119)

I tell you something. I wanted this game. I wanted it badly. This was on my (rather short) "games I will buy in 2008" list. It actually still is, I'm waiting on news whether or not the copy protection was/will be removed.

One thing stands, though, I will not buy it with this copy protection in place. Instead, and in spite, I will dump the money on Sins of a solar empire. It's a pretty good game, I had the chance to play it when a friend got it, and since the game budget is already there, I can as well spend it. Besides being good, what makes it great is that it's also a lot cheaper than the average EA title and it comes without protection crap.

So yes, I could just copy it. If it was a "protected" title, I'd probably be tempted to. But, well, the company trusts me as a customer to play fair, so I guess I should honor that and do the same.

Re:The only question worth asking: (1)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 6 years ago | (#24424429)

Same here. There were three games I was waiting for this year. The Gal Civ II expansion (Twilight of the Arnor), Spore and GTR Evolution.

Now the expansion I have. Stardock are awesome and treat customers like CUSTOMERS, not thieves. (As you know from Sins.) The reason I bought Gal Civ II in the first place was pretty much because I read their stance on copy protection and wanted to support a company that, to be blunt, doesn't act like a bastard.

GTR Evolution is out August 15th. Holding off to find out what the protection is. (If it drops on Steam, I'll buy it there most likely.)

Then there's Spore... A game I have lusted after since I first heard about it several years ago. What would have been an instant trawl the city to find it release day purchase is now a wait and see at best. I want to know EXACTLY what the protection is, what it does etc...

It's such a shame that what could very well be a hugely groundbreaking game is going to be essentially wrecked by EA's greed and attitude toward their thieves (or customers as everyone else calls them). I mean EA can't be stupid. Everyone can see copy protection does absolutely nothing, a glance at any torrent site shows that, so WHY do they persist in using it, crippling the game for a good percentage of people... Makes me wonder if they're coming up with my oppressive protection so they can kill off PC gaming entirely. I mean they've recently killed most of their sports titles on the PC...

Regardless, it's a crying shame to see this huge game from one of the true geniuses of videogames (only person I respect more is Sid Meier) being bogged down with this consumer abusing crap:(

Re:The only question worth asking: (3, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24425547)

There is this very good article [galciv2.com] about piracy and gaming on the GalCiv board, and the reason why some companies rely on anal copy protection mechanisms. And also why some don't. Don't have to, that is.

Since there's little constructive I could add to it, I'll close and ask you to read it. It's long, but well worth the time. In a nutshell, make games for people who buy games instead of pirate it, make games that don't require machines only a handful of hardcore gamers can (or rather, want to) afford, and you'll sell. Copy protection or not.

Re:The only question worth asking: (1)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 6 years ago | (#24427205)

I read that when it first appeared. (I read the forums regularly being a Gal Civ player). It's a great article. Stardock and friends are about the only sane minds in gaming right now.

I laughed when Crytek whined about piracy killing sales of Crysis. Everyone I know didn't even bother with it because they knew their systems would fail miserably. I know a fair few people who pirate and NOT ONE pirated Crysis. Sure, it may be awesome. But only about 1 in 20 people have a PC that can run it.

Gal Civ scales fantastically. Strategy games need less horsepower, but Gal Civ looks GORGEOUS, even on a lower end system. Blizzard are another who write good scalable games.

Re:The only question worth asking: (1)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 6 years ago | (#24428695)

I played Crysis, is wasn't all that good and it was a passed around copy, with each person playing not liking it all that much and uninstalling it and giving it away, that weird side on figure 8 gun wobble etc, some good bits some bad bits, but somehow all just slightly off and a bit boring.

As for spore, all that endless viral marketing has put me right off, left alone the copy protection debacle. So a definite no buy, maybe in a year or two from the bargain bins.

Re:The only question worth asking: (4, Interesting)

nog_lorp (896553) | more than 6 years ago | (#24425725)

In reality, it is EA who are the thieves. Try this:
Buy a game for download from EA at a friends house (since there is no "gift" function like in Steam), and start the download. Go home and buy it for yourself, using Paypal.
EA will take you through the Paypal payment process, charge you, then spit you out on a page that says "Oops! Our records show you have already purchased SPORE Creature Creator (PC Download). Only 1 digital download purchase of a particular title is allowed. You will not be charged for SPORE Creature Creator (PC Download) at this time."

Lucky for EA, they already charged you. I tried to get my money back and it took WEEKS after the support email told me it would be addressed in 24 hours.
The only reason I really knew EA had robbed me was looking through my Paypal history, so I can't help but wonder how many people they have gotten away with double-charging.

Re:The only question worth asking: (3, Insightful)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 6 years ago | (#24427339)

That is despicable! A lot of people bitch about Steam, but the thing is it WORKS. I've been using it for three years and have never had a problem with any facet of it. And it's saved me a ton of time which would have been spent trying to find disks.

If that's what EA did with their creature creator, I can only imagine the problems when the game itself is released. I usually go with a digital download of a game if it's available. But Spore's will apparently be with EA's Download Manager which, if what I read was correct, will A) give you no actual installable files so you can't burn anything to disk, and B) it's ONLY valid for six months. So if after six months you need to reinstall, you'll have to buy it again. Now I haven't seen this confirmed anywhere, but if the cap fits... And that certainly seems to go in with EA's strategy. I mean the CEO has said about monetizing the contents of the game. Clearly the game itself will be so if you need to reinstall and you downloaded it, EA gouge you again. Certainly fits the current EA business model.

May as well just strike Spore off the list of games to buy this year. Will sit back and sit how this plays out. Given that Spore creatures seem to be downloadable as simple PNG files, I wonder if one could pirate the game and just use creatures that way?

Whatever the case, I hope the pirates get this out before it's in stores, showing once again how pointless copy protection is. I used to pirate a lot in the late 80's and early 90's. I'm seriously at the point where EA is making me consider going back to that for titles like Spore. I'd still support indie developers, and companies like Stardock... (Even in the days when I was an avid pirate, I still bought games if they were any good. Sensible Software had so much money off of me...) The good guys and the small developers etc... They deserve the support.

I saw this TV thing years ago. This guy is digging a hole in his basement to bury some pipes or something. His friends laugh and joke that it's to kill his wife and bury her. He defends himself and says it's for plumbing, but his friends get on him so much about it that eventually he snaps, kills his wife and buries her in said hole. That's pretty much how I feel about the likes of EA now. They've spent so long tacitly accusing me and many other of being thieves via their protection schemes that it may as well fulfill their prophecy. While it may not be morally or legally right, I challenge ANYONE to defend EA's practices.

(Man, reading up on all this and writing after a mere 3 hours sleep is rough... Apologies for the rambling.)

Re:The only question worth asking: (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#24424461)

Agreed. I bought Sins of a Solar Empire precisely because it has no onerous copy protection. The fact that it's a great game doesn't hurt, of course, but the main reason was that the company making it actually treats their customers like valued customers. They understand that the pirates will pirate no matter what, so why make it hard for your paying customers? I applaud this philosophy, and supported it with my dollars. I encourage each and every one of you to do the same, if you enjoy strategy games at all.

Re:The only question worth asking: (1)

weirdcrashingnoises (1151951) | more than 6 years ago | (#24425093)

ummm just so other readers know, parent is mostly incorrect. the game is going to ship with thousands of creatures to populate your which you won't have to download. remember these creature files are only a few kilobytes each. it's not at all hard for them to pack a ton of them on the game disc, especially when you consider there will be no large levels to store on the discs, all the game worlds are randomly generated.

i dunno about textures, i remember hearing early on that they were also procedurally generated, and considering the size of the creature creator demo, textures prolly won't take up that much space either, relative to other games.

DRM? (5, Insightful)

Kamots (321174) | more than 6 years ago | (#24420877)

And... has there been any announcement in changes to DRM?

I'll gladly give them my $50 if I get a game that'll stay a game.

But when the single player aspects of a game will only work as long as the DRM servers are kept up... well... $50 for something that turns into a plastic coaster whenever EA wants seems just a tad excessive.

Re:DRM? (1)

Jabbrwokk (1015725) | more than 6 years ago | (#24420909)

Maybe it will be available on Steam?

Re:DRM? (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421057)

And that changes what? That it will be working as long as there is Steam? Where's the difference, if I may ask?

Even Steam being around forever doesn't mean the game will work forever. Let's assume for a moment that the whole parents' outcry crap hits the fans and Jack Thompson or some other loonie hypes it so far out of proportion that a court declares that hey, EA can turn the game off any time they want, so they have to.

And snap.

And then? Oh sure, if you can still find that receipt, you may even be allowed to get some other EA game as compensation. Now, I buy my games online, I don't even have a "real", physical receipt. And I buy EA games at a rate of about 1 every 10 years or so. Then again, I buy games at a rate of about one or two a year...

Whatever you do, it all comes down to one single flaw: You buy a game, but EA retains the ability to disable your copy or all copies essentially at will whenever they either want to or are forced to for some reason. They could decide that you should have bought the game elsewhere, so your copy is invalid (see orange box for reference). They could decide that you created such a porn animal and thus for some reason your license is invalid (yeah, you can try to fight that out. Good luck). They could essentially pull whatever reason out of their ass and just disable your copy.

Why, again, should I spend money to hang at EA's leading-string?

Re:DRM? (1)

techiemikey (1126169) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421231)

just as a quick point in reference to Steam, there is an option to bring the game "offline" and and still be ensured that it will work properly. If steam is going to go down, all you have to do is bring the games you bought offline.

Re:DRM? (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422003)

You have to log in to your account every so often for those "offline" games to work...

Re:DRM? (1)

Mr. DOS (1276020) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422701)

That still doesn't account for future operating system reinstalls or new computers - you may have paid for the game, but how do you install it on another computer if the game's been disabled from the server side?

Correct me if I'm wrong - I don't use Steam - but I'm not aware of any "backup to CD/DVD" option, let alone one that doesn't include DRM on the disc.

      --- Mr. DOS

Re:DRM? (1)

pdusen (1146399) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422803)

Steam allows you to make perfectly disc-sized backups of your games for as many discs as you like. They also give you the option to break it into custom sizes.

Re:DRM? (1)

Mr. DOS (1276020) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422987)

Ah, thanks for telling me. Do you know what sort of protection is on the discs? Are the burnt games already set up for fully offline use, or do they still require activation through Steam?

      --- Mr. DOS

Re:DRM? (1)

LilBlackDemon (604917) | more than 6 years ago | (#24423485)

Steam backups only store the files (i.e.: I'm moving to a new computer, and don't want to have to download my ~20GB Steam folder). It doesn't do anything in terms of the copy protection. Supposedly, you can even borrow a backup disc from a friend for a game you don't own, restore it into your Steam, and be left with a block of useless files because you don't have access in your account. But if you bought it, you'd be fine. pdusen: Mr. DOS is more interested in stripping DRM (i.e.: a "backup" of a DVD movie strips its DRM) than in the backup itself.

Re:DRM? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24424293)

Which takes us back to the "what if Steam doesn't exist anymore" problem. How am I going to validate my newly installed games?

If I got your comment right, it means that I can install from whatever medium, even from the CD a friend lent me, but I have to validate them with the Steam server to prove that I am legally installing those copies and that I bought them. Now, what if the server doesn't exist anymore?

Re:DRM? (1)

pdusen (1146399) | more than 6 years ago | (#24425899)

I don't have a source readily available, but it's generally believed amongst steam users that, should Valve go under or some other such thing prompt the server going down for good, there is already a mechanism in place to remove the need to authenticate games.

Re:DRM? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24426683)

Anything supporting that or is it more some sort of wishful thinking?

Re:DRM? (1)

pdusen (1146399) | more than 6 years ago | (#24427089)

Not on my part. It's what everyone on the Steam forums seems to believe--there's a running joke about Gabe Newell having a "big red button" in his office to disable Steam validation. I believe I did see an interview with him at some point where he referred to being able to disable activations, although I don't have it readily available.

Re:DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24428723)

I believe their policy is that once they know they are going to have to close steam they will release patches to let you play your games in Offline mode..

Presumably you would need to burn to cd before they actually close the servers to be able to reinstall it again.

Re:DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24428461)

probably not what he meant, but to me it means that since steam has been broken (hi, steamappserver.exe), being on steam is as good as being uncopyprotected.

Re:DRM? (2, Informative)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421267)

Months ago, as mentioned on Wikipedia, the phone home every 10 day behavior was pulled. It still phones home on installation, but that's it.

You can install 3 times before you need to contact EA and ask them to recharge your key for further installations.

Re:DRM? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421409)

So in other words, I can still only install it as long as EA agrees that the game should be playable?

I don't trust them. Their record of "annual titles" is stunning, and I do consider it far from impossible that my game(s) will suddenly stop working as soon as the next incarnation hits the streets, so I have to rebuy it.

Re:DRM? (1)

mweather (1089505) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422065)

So in other words, I can still only install it as long as EA agrees that the game should be playable?

Yeah, sort of like the operating system you're running the game on.

Re:DRM? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24423223)

Yeah... because millions of people can't use XP anymore now that Vista is official. The DRM boogie man has killed XP. OHS NOES!!! Guess I'm the exception, because afaik, I'm still on XP and going just fine.

Re:DRM? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24423645)

XP requires activation too, idiot.

Re:DRM? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24425695)

Did I just call myself an idiot?

Re:DRM? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24424215)

Huh? When did Wine become registration dependent?

Re:DRM? (1)

Kamots (321174) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421655)

Oh... and that makes thier ability to coasterfy what you purchased OK? Because you can get around it (kind of) if you happen to have it installed when they try to coasterfy it?

There's still lots of game publishers out there that don't treat me like a criminal. I'll give them my money. EA can keep thier game.

Re:DRM? (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421777)

There's still lots of game publishers out there that don't treat me like a criminal. I'll give them my money. EA can keep thier game.

... yes. They can keep their game - not because they treat me like a criminal, but because I'm going to act like one.

I figure that if they assume I'm going to pirate the game ... I might as well pirate it - since they assume I'm not paying for it, they shouldn't me in their sales projections.

The only problem that arises... is ... what if they assume everyone is going to pirate it? Is it an instant success when it sells anything?

Re:DRM? (1)

Kamots (321174) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422043)

I hope you're not suggesting that I'm pirating?

If you choose to that's your business, although I disagree with you that you should.

Re:DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24425543)

oh puh-leez. get off your high horse, and get a clue. Pirating is the new Purchasing.. Like, Brown is the New Black, and BioFuel is the new gasoline!

Re:DRM? (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#24425561)

Why not purchase it ... then pirate it. Everyone wins. EA gets more of your money, and you get a product that works.

Ubisoft is already approaching the sale of their products like this - you pay for a product, you play with a pirated version! [ubi.com]

Re:DRM? (1)

Kamots (321174) | more than 6 years ago | (#24426147)

For much the same reason that I don't buy RIAA music. By purchasing thier good I'm voting in support of thier business model.

Combine that with the fact that cracking the DRM is illegal... (although I'd argue that it is moral)

I'll simply play other games.

Re:DRM? (2, Funny)

umbrellasd (876984) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422349)

So, I've payed > $13.99 * 48 = $672 to play WoW over the past 2 and a half years and they can turn it off whenever. $50 might just be a bargain.

Re:DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24422859)

You made 48 payments in 2 and a half years?

Re:DRM? (2, Funny)

acon1modm (1009947) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422955)

oh i get it, you wrote the months as a quincimal number.

Re:DRM? (4, Insightful)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422975)

$50 for something that turns into a plastic coaster whenever EA wants seems just a tad excessive.

Then you must hate going to the movies and paying $12 bucks for not even a coaster. I don't know about you but I judge the cost of entertainment based on, well, the entertainment aspect of it. For $50, you're not getting a cd, you're getting a certain amount of entertainment. I'm probably gonna be modded down as a DRM apologist, but Spore is probably the most anticipated game of this year and it's been in production for around 6 or 7 years. As such, it will also be the most pirated. The DRM will of course be cracked eventually, and probably pretty quickly, but I don't see anything wrong with trying to delay the piraters so they might actually go out and purchase the game.

To some (like you), having the DRM on their disk will be inconvenient enough that they will wait for the crack. To others, not having a crack for the game immediately will be inconvenient enough for them to purchase it. Since regular people still don't even know what DRM is, I'm betting that the latter outnumbers the former, and that Microsoft made the most logical move.

Re:DRM? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24424895)

Padron the pedantry, but Spore was the most anticipated game three years ago, a highly anticipated game two years ago, an overdue and expected game last year, and an 'awaited' game this year.

Re:DRM? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 6 years ago | (#24424981)

I don't know about you but I judge the cost of entertainment based on, well, the entertainment aspect of it. For $50, you're not getting a cd, you're getting a certain amount of entertainment.

That's nice. That really doesn't matter at all because of the way the game is presented and the expectations of the customers, but it's nice to know you'll maintain such a positive attitude.

As such, it will also be the most pirated.

It'll also make a shitload of money despite being pirated. It's unlikely it'd actually lose any significant amount otherwise. Worse, every step they take to lock down the game increases the value of the cracked version. The legitimate customers are the ones that pay for it. Actually, I wonder how many people won't buy the game now because of their choice of copy restriction.

...but I don't see anything wrong with trying to delay the piraters so they might actually go out and purchase the game.

You will when you go install it a year later and you end up on the phone with somebody from India trying to get it unlocked. I guarantee you when that day comes, you won't smile and go "oh well, I had 50 hours of entertainment."

Re:DRM? (2, Interesting)

Blackhalo (572408) | more than 6 years ago | (#24425757)

"I don't see anything wrong with trying to delay the piraters so they might actually go out and purchase the game."

Strangely I find it pretty easy to find something wrong with DRM. It will be cracked before the game hits the store shelves, so it's only remaining purpose is to take control of what I would have been willing to pay for from me. The value of the free version exceeds the value of the paid for version. So why would I pay?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS250&q=creature+creator+crack&btnG=Search [google.com]

Re:DRM? (1)

Jorophose (1062218) | more than 6 years ago | (#24425893)

The thing is, had the DRM been dropped, and the price be dropped, the chances of piracy would be much lower.

But what do I know. Some people download games and such just because they can, they refuse to pay whatever price. Personally I've only done it twice, and both times for more obscure japanese GBA games. (and I might do it for the Tingle games on DS, if only because Nintendo won't sell them to me)

Spore is a game that deserves the 40$-50$ asking price. It's like the (original) Sims.

Re:DRM? (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 6 years ago | (#24428131)

For $50, you're not getting a cd, you're getting a certain amount of entertainment.

And so what happens if the game gets shut off when you've only gotten half the amount of entertainment you'd expected to get for your $50? When you go to a movie, you know up front how long it is and that you can't take it home with you except in your memory. When you buy a game, you buy it with the expectation that you can spend as many hours playing it and replaying it as you want - if that gets limited AFTER you've put out the money for it, you shouldn't be pissed?

Re:DRM? (1)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 6 years ago | (#24428857)

I guess that depends on how much expectation you have for your $50 game. You might expect an hour and a half in a movie, but there's no guarantee that it's gonna be a good movie. My decision on whether my $12 was well spent is based on whether the movie was good, even if it's 75 minutes and not the 90 I was expecting. On the other hand, if a movie is a 3 hour bore, then I'll still feel ripped off and my time was wasted, even though I got 3 hours of "entertainment" from the movie. The same goes for a game. For $50 I reasonably expect at least (($50/$12)*1.5) hours of entertainment. If it's less, then it better be a good game to compensate and I'll be happy. If it's longer but it's a crap game, then my money was still wasted. Yes, I have a very low expectation on game length. For those who didn't do the math, I want 6.25 hours of gameplay for $50. This is how much I pay for entertainment. The length of the game is fairly meaningless to me, as I don't have an infinite of time to spend on games like I did when I was 12 years old. The quality of the game is the most important thing. Gamers I think have an unreasonable expectation for how much gameplay they could get from a game, especially considering the complexity and budgets of games today. For a gamer, 20 hours of gameplay is a short game. 20 hours comes out to $2.50/hour of entertainment. For today's gamer, that's too high of a price to pay for a game, whereas they will easily pay over $6/hour for a movie ($10/hour if you consider a DVD purchase, which is more equivalent to a game purchase since you own the disk). Why is this?

Re:DRM? (1)

DamienRBlack (1165691) | more than 6 years ago | (#24429289)

Spore is probably the most anticipated game of this year and it's been in production for around 6 or 7 years. As such, it will also be the most pirated.

Actually, I think that might not be the case. People want to buy a good game, and spore for many pirates qualifies as the first -good- game in a long time.

Myself, I pirate everything, and I mean everything. First, I have no moral qualms and second I don't have the cash, and I mean this very seriously. Sleeping on couches in public buildings seriously. But, alas, I scraped together $50 for spore and I have to say, if I do it, the dam must be broken. Oh, sure, the number of downloads will be though the roof, but I bet that the amount EA suffers do to downloading (however much that elusive figure is) will be lower than any game in recent history.

Of course it is pretty easy for be to spout completely unverifiable speculation, I guess, no one will be proving me wrong anytime soon.

Re:DRM? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24429527)

Valve has said on numerous occasions that if the company ever goes under, they will push one final update disabling all DRM in Steam.

Wait for the screaming to start.... (5, Insightful)

sshuber (1274006) | more than 6 years ago | (#24420893)

You know that after this launches and little Johnny visits his friends planet with giant penii walking around and his Mom and Dad see it there is going to be a meltdown in the parent sector. I think if GTA San Andreas proves anything, it's fine for our children to shoot cops all day long and beat up hookers, but as soon as they get a glimpse of something sexual the parents' heads start spinning a la the Exorcist.

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (2, Funny)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24420951)

What's really funny is that it usually requires a pretty dirty mind to see anything "sexual" in the sporne monsters. It's a bit like complaining at an inkblot-test that your shrink is showing you all those perverted pics.

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24421327)

You must not have looked at very many of them!

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (1)

EvilIdler (21087) | more than 6 years ago | (#24423709)

Put down your braille keyboard for a moment, and ask a friend to model a user-created Spore creature with Play-Doh or something. Now put one hand on that model, and if you're male - and equipped with two hands - the other hand over your genitals.

Do you get it now?

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (4, Informative)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 6 years ago | (#24420965)

It's single player. You can't visit your 'friends.' Also, there is an in-game setting to only download community content that has been reviewed and okayed by people at EA. Meaning no dicks, tits, or balls.

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (1)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421059)

Can you make your own Sporn for your world?

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421125)

Of course that's how all the sporn got created in the first place, by people defining how their own race should look. Feel free to make penis monsters to your heart's content. (actually my favorite was "The Beast With Two Backs", euphemism made literal heh)

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (2, Funny)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421801)

Is there a setting to ONLY download sporn?

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24422385)

Yes, join the 4chan community.

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (1)

bugnuts (94678) | more than 6 years ago | (#24425773)

You can have it prefer your creatures over others.

The reason it's connected is that it downloads creatures other have made for you single player experience. That means the more people play, the more variation there is. As a result, it's a bit harder to play without an internet connection.

They bill it as a "massively single-player game."

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (1)

Joe U (443617) | more than 6 years ago | (#24424139)

okayed by people at EA. Meaning no dicks...or balls.

And if you toggle it the other way, you have EA management.

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24424935)

It's single player. You can't visit your 'friends.' Also, there is an in-game setting to only download community content that has been reviewed and okayed by people at EA. Meaning no dicks, tits, or balls.

This just in....

Entries are being accepted for the First Annual Obfuscated Sporn contest...

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24426731)

Also, there is an in-game setting to only download community content that has been reviewed and okayed by people at EA. Meaning no dicks, tits, or balls.

Wow, EA has some pretty strict hiring standards.

Sex is bad, mmkay? (1)

CaptSaltyJack (1275472) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421095)

Welcome to the uptight U.S. of A. This is still mostly a puritan country as far as sex is concerned, nowhere near as sexually progressive as, say, The Netherlands. I agree, the whole "sex is as bad as violence" shit has always bugged the hell out of me. Maybe as future generations grow up and have their own kids, we'll collectively start to move away from that mindset.

Re:Sex is bad, mmkay? (1)

Kalendraf (830012) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421613)

"as bad as"? In all seriousness, given the supposed American outcry over nudity in games, nudity is actually deemed worse than violence.

This reminds me of an interview I read a few years back where a European gaming company was interested in getting their game introduced to the U.S. market. Supposedly, the conversation went something like this...

Euro dev: "It seems the US does not tolerate any nudity, but our game features some. Are there exceptions?"
US marketer: "Well it all depends on how it is portrayed."
Euro dev: "Would it be ok if we showed a woman's breasts?"
US marketer: "I guess so...as long as you blow her head off!"

It's a really screwed up culture that gladly accepts graphic violence but won't tolerate even the slightest hint of nudity.

What the British head censor said... (4, Insightful)

OmniGeek (72743) | more than 6 years ago | (#24423099)

Screwed up? Yep, we've got lotsa that, all right.

I recall reading, several years ago, an interview that the head of Britain's film censorship board gave on the occasion of his retirement (i.e, now that he was able to speak his mind freely without contradicting policies he was required to uphold). Basically, he said that he thought that, as regards media depictions, that sex was a fine and healthy thing for society, while violence wasn't. He thought that Britain (and societies in general) would do well to be less concerned with censoring sexual content, and more concerned with violent content.

Now, while I thoroughly enjoy playing CS with a group of fellow forty-somethings who understand that IT'S JUST A GAME, I must say that I agree with that fellow's opinion. (I don't really know how to reconcile the inherent conflict here, BTW. )

I agree, but... (1)

Jabbrwokk (1015725) | more than 6 years ago | (#24423973)

I'm not interested in seeing some 12-year-old's puerile attempt at humour with his penis monsters. I get to see that spray-painted in my office parking lot, on road signs, in public washrooms, etc. I have even seen the ol' "cock'n'balls" on downloadable Miis on the Wii.

At least EA will offer some choices [cnn.com] :

EA plans to make sure nobody sees the content if they don't want to, Bradshaw said. When playing "Spore," users will be given three choices regarding people's creations: to receive no outside content, to receive content from buddies only or to receive all external content.

Re:Sex is bad, mmkay? (1, Informative)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421715)

The U.S. is, at least in several ways, quite a lot more liberal about sex than several Islamic countries.

Re:Sex is bad, mmkay? (1)

CaptSaltyJack (1275472) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421911)

Oh for sure, the US is better than some Islamic countries. But we still suck. Europe has the right idea.

Re:Sex is bad, mmkay? (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422761)

I misread your post and had "most puritan country" in my head.

Re:Sex is bad, mmkay? (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422703)

The U.S. is, at least in several ways, quite a lot more liberal about sex than several Islamic countries.

That's a bit like saying regular people are smarter than retarded people. It might be true, but it's a completely useless measurement.

Re:Sex is bad, mmkay? (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 6 years ago | (#24425523)

Because the Islamic countries are so liberal about sex!

Re:Sex is bad, mmkay? (4, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422427)

Violence is easier to teach as right and wrong, you get hit it hurts, so you know that if you hit someone else it hurts thus henceforth there is a direct cause the wrongness of violence. Sex if abused takes time before truly understanding the consequences, as the act feels good for both parties, issues of psychological attachment issues, teenage parents, economic problems, medical problems, and other risks. Makes it far more difficult to teach, responsibility, as all the effects are what ifs and could happen and protection offers better chances but not 100%.... All very difficult for stupid kids/teens to comprehend. As well American culture isn't properly designed to deal with these issues so when there is a teen pregnancy it is treated as a problem of society.

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24421493)

That is because if your little one grows up to kill a cop you only have to visit him in Jail. If they grow up and have 10 kids you have to deal with all the grand-kids. I'm waaay too young to be a grandpa!

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (1)

Quattro Vezina (714892) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421645)

penii

Penes.

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24425219)

It's not parents.

It's windbag politicians like HillDog and Gore who make it into a big issue so they can look like heroes.

I don't know why we have to come up with this goofy straw man of a parent who buys GTA 4 and then is shocked when there's "bad stuff". They don't exist, or at least not in any statistically significant number.

I've yet to meet a parent that this is an issue with. This is just another bullshit issue manufactured by politicians so they can stand out and have a platform to run their bullshit campaigns on. It's simply seen as an easy issue to tackle.

"I'm 100% for saving babies" has a nice bumpersticker ring to it, and simultaneously implies any opponent of yours is now 100% against saving babies, since the two party system here forces a moronic black and white view of every issue.

Nobody actually wrote Hillary any letters to get her to hold senate hearings into the Hot Coffee bullshit. Even if they did, she's not the type to take action on such trivial matters as "what her constituents want".

It's called manufactured outrage, and is a very old political tool. Keep people mad at each other, so they don't think to look behind the curtain.That's all.

Re:Wait for the screaming to start.... (1)

dangitman (862676) | more than 6 years ago | (#24425613)

It's not parents.

Bullshit. There are millions of parents in America who make this a massive issue, and raise their kids to be fearful and confused about sex. Who kick up a stink about protecting their precious children, and who think that any kind of non-shameful sexual expression is a one-way ticket to hell and pedophilia.

There's also preachers and other "community leaders" spewing homophobic fear, or jumping on the anti-porn bandwagon.

It's windbag politicians like HillDog and Gore who make it into a big issue so they can look like heroes.

When you say politicians "like" Gore and Clinton, the intended subtext appears to be "Democrats". As if politicians "like" Reagan and Bush never exploit such moral crusades to boost their popularity?

"Great, yet another planet..." (5, Funny)

nweaver (113078) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421073)

Ctrl-Alt-Del [ctrlaltdel-online.com] put it very well.

Re:"Great, yet another planet..." (1)

TwoQuestions (1111637) | more than 6 years ago | (#24423483)

That was funny, even though I felt a little dirty going to Ctrl-Alt-Del...

Oblig Ctl-Alt-Del (1, Redundant)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421119)

Re:Oblig Ctl-Alt-Del (1)

Goeland86 (741690) | more than 6 years ago | (#24426695)

Was wondering when someone was going to put a link to it on here... I'll point to an XKCD comic. penises http://img.xkcd.com/comics/penises.png [xkcd.com]
Just about sums up how Europeans look at the US in general.

wait...s-pr0n? (1)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421151)

am I the only one who thinks it's funny...and clever that they used the name "sporn" as opposed to "s-porn" or something similar?

I must be getting old I guess.

Re:wait...s-pr0n? (1)

nawcom (941663) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421881)

heh.. i mean no personal offense when i say.. yeah, it's probably just you. :) To get into technicalities of play-on words, you usually aim for the new word to at least be the same number of syllables, so s-porn would never work.

Uh oh, I just realized that I'm replying to a post about something only a loser geek would point out. oh well.

I have it on preorder (1)

Coraon (1080675) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421241)

if it wont install because of the other software on my computer I'm not worried, because it wont say so until well after I try to install in Canada I can sue them for the scam.

For the curious: (3, Informative)

merreborn (853723) | more than 6 years ago | (#24421897)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/spore-porn [buzzfeed.com]
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=191255 [computeran...ogames.com]

I find this one particularly amusing in its simplicity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnUXnnH6sY0 [youtube.com]

Re:For the curious: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24426973)

I don't get why it's necessary for every spr0n purveyor out there to make every single instance a YouTube link. Aren't simple, easy-to-look-at-and-laugh-at JPGs good enough anymore?

What a great quote to choose, CNN... (4, Funny)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422263)

One Spore fan told CNN: I consider this very similar to child pornography, at least to the extent of distributing the material to children.

Child pornography: This isn't it.

There is no sporn (1)

coren2000 (788204) | more than 6 years ago | (#24422775)

Spoon boy: Do not try and spank the sporn. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no sporn.
Neo: There is no sporn?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the sporn that spanks, it is only yourself.

SecuROM on OS X? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 6 years ago | (#24423007)

So does anyone know if the Mac version is going to have SecuROM?

Will the Wii version be the same as the PC/Mac? With the same features, etc?

Re:SecuROM on OS X? (1)

EvilIdler (21087) | more than 6 years ago | (#24423873)

I haven't seen copy-protection on Mac which embeds itself in the OS like SecuROM does on Windows. Yet. I'd wait for reviews, since this is EA.

It's all because of the Mantenna attachment. (1)

DRAGONWEEZEL (125809) | more than 6 years ago | (#24424037)

hell, Like most of you, I too play a Female NE in WoW but that all changed when I could put a 6' mantenna on a 4' creature, I just couldn't pass it up!

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