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House Dems Turn Out the Lights On the GOP

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 5 years ago | from the not-quite-like-throwing-a-blanket-over-the-birdcage dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 1143

Politico is reporting that while GOP leaders opposed a motion to adjourn the House, the Democrats have closed up shop and even turned out the lights. While the lights and microphones have since been turned back on, it makes for an amusing mental image and possibly even a few dark YouTube video spoofs. "Only about a half-dozen Republicans were on the floor when this began, but the crowd has grown to about 20 now, according to Patrick O'Connor. 'This is the people's House,' Rep, Thaddeus McCotter (R-Mich.) said. 'This is not Pelosi's politiburo.' Democratic aides were furious at the GOP stunt, and reporters were kicked out of the Speaker's Lobby, the space next to the House floor where they normally interview lawmakers."

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1143 comments

Wow, that's mature (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24437855)

It's great that C-SPAN covers kindergarten now.

Re:Wow, that's mature (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438007)

Considering the average Kindergartener is more intelligent and mature than the average liberal, I'd say this comment is appropriate.

Re:Wow, that's mature (3, Insightful)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438167)

Save that it wasn't the liberals that were doing this silly stunt...it's the ones that claim to be conservatives. The House adjourned for vacation. The Republican's chose to act like little kids and try to press for oil drilling that won't make a drop in the sea's worth of real change and call it an "Energy Policy".

Shameful, really.

It's called speculation... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438267)

Oil prices are high because speculators think future supply will be low. If we drill, speculators may think future supply will be higher. This will lower current prices even though the oil won't be immediately available.

Re:It's called speculation... (2, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438339)

Speculators aren't idiots and know exactly how little oil is in the US reserves. Which still doesn't explain the sneaky and underhanded antics of the conservatives. Having the lights turned out on them is exactly what they deserve, they shouldn't try to sneak in and enact legislation while everyone is on vacation.

Re:It's called speculation... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438493)

If the US has so little oil worth drilling, why is China (dealing with Cuba) drilling 50 miles off the coast of Florida. The US isn't allowed to drill within 100 miles. Who's environmental record is better today?

Re:Wow, that's mature (4, Insightful)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438329)

Actually, it is both sides acting childish.

Democrats for taking their ball and going home. Republicans staying around whining like a 4 year old.

Those people who think one side or the other is acting properly while the other side isn't, is just ... well stupid.

They get paid for working full time, I suggest that they work like the rest of us "regular" people and take only two weeks per year vacation.

I know, silly me to expect the public servants to act like servants rather than bosses.

There's a rationale to this (5, Insightful)

Wildfire Darkstar (208356) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438407)

Elected representatives are supposed to remain in touch with the districts they represent. Having them remain in Washington, D.C. 11 and 1/2 months a year makes it difficult to do that.

Not, of course, that every representative uses his or her vacation time to keep in touch with his or her constituents, mind you. But that's part of the point, at least.

Re:Wow, that's mature (4, Insightful)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438511)

Actually, the House moved to Adjourn at the scheduled time- because what was being proposed wasn't actually pressing business (Like a WAR...). That's not taking their ball and going home- that's just doing what ends up happening each and every year since the beginnings of the current form of Government we have in the US. It's far from the same thing as the antics going on right now from the Republicans.

Re:Wow, that's mature (3, Informative)

Slightly Askew (638918) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438367)

The house adjourned prematurely instead of discussing energy policy. Let's emphasize the correct word here.

Re:Wow, that's mature (3, Informative)

everphilski (877346) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438483)

Yes, they voted themselves a paid one-month vacation, by a margin of one vote. Almost directly down party lines. All republicans save four voted nay, to stay in session and hammer out issues except for four who abstained. 17 democrats joined said republicans, 6 abstained. The rest of the democrats voted themselves a vacation.

link [house.gov]

And yes drilling will help. The very news of drilling will bring oil prices down. Speculation of approval of drilling has already brought prices down already, over $20 under the high of $147. Gas prices at least where I live are down $0.15 - $0.20 since six weeks ago. Tell people you are drilling and yeah, the oil won't enter the stream for 10, 15 years but the speculative properties alone will drop crude by another $20 or $40, easy.

Re:Wow, that's mature (3, Insightful)

knavel (1155875) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438289)

The "liberals" are not the ones literally throwing a tantrum here. Both parties need to f***ing grow up.

Re:Wow, that's mature (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438147)

I'm pretty sure that TFA said that C-SPAN was not covering the kindergarten.

I'm pretty sure that the Knesset in Israel has no rule for the minimum attendance necessary to pass a bill or motion, as long as a majority of the attendees vote for it. If only we had the same system, something MIGHT get done.

Re:Wow, that's mature (1)

Adriax (746043) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438445)

Can you imagine what would happen here if that were true?
Congressmen refusing to leave in hopes their party can outlast the other's so they can force bills through. Campouts on the senate floor, it would even degrade to sabotage and physical violence to remove opposing party members.

Re:Wow, that's mature (1)

mattpm (1135875) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438297)

Like a kid not wanting to leave a friend's house because they are having too much fun playing with GI Joes.

Re:Wow, that's mature (4, Informative)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438389)

At least they're not engaging in fisticuffs.

like they did around the civil war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Brooks#Sumner_Assault [wikipedia.org]

and again in 1902:
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Senate_Fistfight.htm [senate.gov]

Or like they do in Bolivia:
http://www.blinkx.com/video/fist-fight-in-bolivia-congress/BUTRtHbu7LQxO1wF [blinkx.com]

And we can at least be glad no one got shot by the vice president.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Brooks#Sumner_Assault [wikipedia.org]

Er... uh... well, rather at least no one was MURDERED by the vice president in this instance.

grade-school much? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24437887)

grow the fuck up

The motion to adjourn passed... (5, Insightful)

stinerman (812158) | more than 5 years ago | (#24437901)

I'm missing the story other than Boehner and gang are trying to make a fuss about nothing.

The motion to adjourn passed, so the Speaker banged the gavel and they went home. Am I supposed to think that the Democrats are somehow disregarding the rules of the House and refusing to let Republicans speak?

Re:The motion to adjourn passed... (3, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438073)

Exactly. Robert's Rules of Order [wikipedia.org] , do you speak it motherfucker?

Re:The motion to adjourn passed... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438243)

Exactly. Robert's Rules of Order [wikipedia.org] , do you speak it motherfucker?

Point of order! Unparliamentary language!

Re:The motion to adjourn passed... (4, Funny)

SBacks (1286786) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438287)

I move to table this line of jokes.

Re:The motion to adjourn passed... (4, Informative)

WinPimp2K (301497) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438259)

Yep, you missed the story.

When the motion to adjourn was made, over 100 Republicans were signed up to speak for 5 minutes each on oil/energy. The Dems abused the rules (and yes the Republicans do this too, but not nearly as much) in an attempt to prevent those folks from speaking. Now some (most) of those Republicans were undoubtably (Sturgeon's Law) going to be an utter waste of their 5 minutes.

What you do is ask how often does the Speaker order the lights, microphones, and cameras shut down when the House adjourns? (C-SPAN is contracturally required to carry whatever is being said in the House regardless of whether or not it is in session).

So I'm not going to tell you what to think, but what I plainly observed was the Dems gaming the system (the rules of the House) to prevent the Republicans from speaking. When it comes to gaming the system, the donkeys in both House and Senate have shown far less restraint than the elephants. (Or would you prefer Red vs Blue?)

Re:The motion to adjourn passed... (1, Funny)

oyenstikker (536040) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438337)

Of course it was going to be a waste of 500 minutes. Everything said in session is a waste of time. Every vote has already been bought and paid for.

It is a shame they were wasting energy by having the lights on in the first place.

Re:The motion to adjourn passed... (1)

Jaegar (518423) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438509)

When it comes to gaming the system, the donkeys in both House and Senate have shown far less restraint than the elephants. (Or would you prefer Red vs Blue?)

If I could hear, "Hey red, you suck. Blue rules!" being shouted across the aisles, I would actually watch C-SPAN. I'm sure their productivity might even go up a bit.

Re:The motion to adjourn passed... (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438387)

Apparently Republicans have forgotten that they're in the minority now (an easy mistake to make, considering how Democrats have spent most of the last two years on their knees). Republicans have also apparently forgot how THEY treated Democrats when they were the majority (forcing them out of hearings, refusing to debate bills, shutting down Democratic filibusters, etc.)

Sheesh (1)

Authoritative Douche (1255948) | more than 5 years ago | (#24437913)

I fear we get to look forward to more of this childish crap from the two teams from now on. Burbclaves, here we come.

Re:Sheesh (1)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438129)

I fear we get to look forward to more of this childish crap from the two teams from now on. Burbclaves, here we come.

Somehow I expected better from /. though.

Oh well...

Re:Sheesh (2, Insightful)

Bassman59 (519820) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438201)

Somehow I expected better from /. though.

Oh well...

you must be new here.

That's not all! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24437921)

The summary didn't state everything. Pelosi was trying to stop a vote concerning foreign oil drilling. The REP's are currently mad and speaking to the public who have gathered in the upstairs gallery, arguing (one-sided, of course) their concerns and solutions for rising gas and energy prices.

Re:That's not all! (5, Informative)

stinerman (812158) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438439)

Not bringing up votes on bills that the Speaker doesn't like is very standard practice and has gone on for decades.

Any bill can be brought to the floor by 1/2 of the House via a discharge petition. Republicans apparently don't have the votes to bring the bill to the floor over the objections of the Speaker.

A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (3, Insightful)

jamie (78724) | more than 5 years ago | (#24437927)

What actually happened, of course, was that the House adjourned for its August recess. As scheduled. Just like it does every year. Presumably it was scheduled months in advance. Everyone knew it.

Except this time the minority party refused to, you know, leave. Though the government is not in session, the Republicans insist on hanging around anyway.

Why? Not to get any work done. They're sticking around in the hopes of getting some press simply for being stupid.

It may work. If the Democrats did this, the media would be happy to portray them as whiny little losers who didn't know when to go home. (Which would basically be accurate.)

But since it's Republicans doing it, the media -- including Slashdot, in this case -- will find amusement in what the Dems "did" to the GOP. Politico, which is generally an organ of the Republican Party, is true to form by calling Democrats "furious" and "complaing" [sic]. Slashdot says the Dems "turned out the lights on" them and giggles that the Democrats left even though "GOP leaders opposed a motion to adjourn." (It doesn't matter what "GOP leaders" wanted. The motion to adjourn passed. So the House adjourned. Learn 2 parliamentary procedure, noobs.)

Calling the House a "politburo" (meaning "the policymaking committee of a Communist party") because it adjourned on schedule is -- and here I have to agree with the Democrat who was quoted -- moronic.

And the issue the GOP is demagoguing is gasoline prices and offshore drilling. This pushes today's stunt from ridiculous to pathetic. The Department of Energy's official projection [nytimes.com] is that if offshore drilling were legalized immediately, "any impact on average wellhead prices is expected to be insignificant" -- even in 2030.

And that's an inflated stat, since its numbers include hypothetical drilling off the coast of California. The GOP is pushing to allow states to allow OCS drilling if they choose -- "states' rights," as the slogan goes. And California's politicians, including its Republican governor, have made it clear the state will not allow more drilling off its coast. So the actual benefit of the current GOP proposal would be about 2/3 of the DoE's hypothetical. In 2030 :)

It's hard to believe that the Republicans would hang around a vacated government building after everyone's gone home, and yell into a bullhorn about how Congress needs to debate lower gas prices right now -- not in September! -- when Bush's own Department of Energy admits any changes would have zero effect on oil prices for 9 years and "insignificant" effect after that.

The GOP's twitter feed [twitter.com] indicates their dogma du jour is: "drill here drill now to get us through the next 10 to 15 years." Again, the DoE's projections indicate zero effect on oil production or prices for the next 9 years, and "insignificant" effect after that.

It's unbelievable how pathetic our national politics has become. This embarrassment is why we need the grownups back in charge. And every media outlet that fails to make clear why the stunt is pathetic is part of the problem. Sadly, I include Slashdot in this.

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (1, Flamebait)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438055)

Besides, they're already in the dark.

And working to spread the darkness. So are the Dems, they just don't call the darkness "a new light" like the Repugs.

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (1)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438103)

Well there sure must be something appealing about the way the Republicans do politics, because the Conservative Party of Canada (who currently hold a minority government) seem hellbent on replicating it north of the border.

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438133)

"complaing" [sic]

Heh, a Slashdot editor picking on others' spelling.

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (1)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438135)

Has become?

This is probably the least silly American politics have been since the 19th century.

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (3, Interesting)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438437)

True. Politics have been silly, trite, and corrupt for the history of the Republic. Not always, but certainly the day-to-day running of the government has been just as stupid or worse. In some ways, we're less corrupt and more transparent now then ever.

Have a lot further to go before we get out of the negative numbers, though.

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS NEWS FOR NERDS??!!! (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438153)

This is all very interesting, but why is this on the front page of slashdot? This is hardly news for nerds, has no tech connection, has very little political meat, and no relevance to the site's mission.

Maybe you should keep this on your personal blog and not using this site as your own personal soapbox.

Re:HOW THE FUCK IS THIS NEWS FOR NERDS??!!! (1)

seanonymous (964897) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438301)

Lights run on electricity. The switch to turn off the lights for all of congress is probably really big, with a great amount of retro-coolness. A democrat used it, and that makes them more technologically awesome. We should vote for them.

Protest (2, Insightful)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438241)

This may have been a "stunt", but it's politics. You act like this stuff never happens. The whole thing was done to protest the Democrats' plan of adjourning the Congress so that there would be no more calls on the House floor to open up oil expoloration, something that, despite your opinion on the matter, the public overwhelmingly supports. Pelosi's idea was, no session, no cameras, no problem. She figures the issue will hurt Democrats less if no one actually speaking about it in Congress. And be honest, it's smart politics, and if the positions were reversed, and it were Democrats running this protest, you'd be screaming like a banshee about how fascist the GOP was for "cutting off debate".

The motion to adjourn passed? Of course it did. Right along party lines. The GOP wants to keep this issue in the press, because it's popular and it helps them. The Democrats are hoping this issue goes away, because it hurts them. What's the approval rating of Congress now? 9 percent?

By the way, "Dogma Du Jour". Good, lets have more, because the US could be an energy exporter if it wanted to be. Hell yes, drill more. Use every option we have. You want to get political? Fine. The Democrats "Dogma Du Jour" is you people are just going to have to do with less and pay more for it. I'll take our position over yours all day long.

I think liberal Slashdotters protest too much...

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438253)

You didn't need to cheapen your post with the silly, biased commentary.

"It may work. If the Democrats did this, the media would be happy to portray them as whiny little losers who didn't know when to go home. (Which would basically be accurate.)

But since it's Republicans doing it, the media -- including Slashdot, in this case -- will find amusement in what the Dems "did" to the GOP."

Seriously? You think the media and slashdot have republican bias?

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (1, Insightful)

stinerman (812158) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438257)

Again, the DoE's projections indicate zero effect on oil production or prices for the next 9 years, and "insignificant" effect after that.

Your "facts" don't matter. It's much more comforting to believe that drilling like a madman will reduce gas prices to $1.25/gal. We'll believe that instead.

This embarrassment is why we need the grownups back in charge.

The votes of grownups are diluted by ignorants who don't understand the first thing of global markets or oil drilling.

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (5, Insightful)

CorporateSuit (1319461) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438279)

Maybe when the country is headed full-force into a recession, it's not time for a 5-week vacation when there are laws to be passed. It's time to roll up the sleeves and get to work. The United States isn't ok right now. It's fragile and crumbling. Those elected officials want to spend their August kicking up their shoes when unemployment is at an all-time high?

The Republicans are acting childish. It reminds me of what I would see in highschool when the teachers would strike -- but the Democrats are running away from the problems that need to be solved. It's their job, and it's not done yet, so they deserve no recess in August, no matter how long they've planned it. This isn't a retail job at Wal-mart where the company will be ok if one worker leaves for 6 weeks.

But after everything is said and done, after seeing at least 4 major laws passed that grossly violate the constitution in the last 2 weeks, it's almost a reprieve to see them out for a few weeks. The only reason I'm sure they don't use the constitution as toilet paper is because some of them would actually read if that were the case.

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438361)

I don't disagree that this is a silly publicity stunt; but I get the impression that if the Dems were doing it in a republican-controlled house, you wouldn't have as much of a problem with it.

By the way, I disagree with you about the immediacy of the results of energy policy reform. Much of the increase in the price of oil is speculative; it's like the internet bubble in the 90s. Even if a bill doesn't get a substantial amount of new oil into the market for a few years, the knowledge that it is coming will have an immediate effect on the market. Plus, I have a hunch our Arab friends will up the supply, rather than risk the US reducing its dependency on them.

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438393)

Wow! a projection of a non significant impact on the price. Guess we shouldn't do it. Of course not doing it will have a significant impact on the price in a way I don't want. This ridiculous argument of, "We can't do it because we wont see the benefits for 10 years." is just as stupid now as it was 13 years ago when we should have done it the first time and not been in this mess now. What alternative to drilling is project to return more, faster?

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438433)

Which "Media" is covering this? Not CNN... not FoxNews.

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438447)

"It's unbelievable how pathetic our national politics has become. This embarrassment is why we need the grownups back in charge. And every media outlet that fails to make clear why the stunt is pathetic is part of the problem. Sadly, I include Slashdot in this."

WHAT grownups? The Democrats?

You are leaving something out of your analysis: Speaker Pelosi has not allowed a vote to be held on that amendment because it will PASS - a number of Democrats want it to. So, instead of letting the House vote and the majority get it's way (note, not Majority), she is taking her gavel and going home.

She thinks offshore drilling is bad. Fine - she can vote against it. But most of her colleagues think it's a good idea. So instead of treating them like colleagues, she is treating them like subjects, or flunkies.

Oh, btw - the Democrats have had control of the house for most of the history of this country, and for an overwhelming preponderance of years in the last century, and they have ALWAYS treated the House, and to a lesser extent the Senate, as their private playground. The only difference is the development of Cspan and the 24 hour news channels - now all the shenanigans are on film, so the politicians are acting different than they did in the past. It's kind of like acting for the stage vs. film - loud speech, broad gestures, soliloquy's.

Whoever these "grownups" are that you refer to, they are not to be found in politics today.

Re:A cheap and embarrassing Republican stunt (1)

BitterOldGUy (1330491) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438475)

f the Democrats did this, the media would be happy to portray them as whiny little losers who didn't know when to go home. (Which would basically be accurate.)

Wait wait! The media is Liberal so, by default, doesn't that make them in favor of the Democrats?!?

It's unbelievable how pathetic our national politics has become. This embarrassment is why we need the grownups back in charge.

Read some history about Congress, they've always been dipshits. I think it's either something about the office or the fact that people haven't changed int the last couple of centuries.

Republican grandstanding (4, Insightful)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 5 years ago | (#24437931)

Yawn...."Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and other GOP leaders opposed the motion to adjourn the House, arguing that Pelosi's refusal to schedule a vote allowing offshore drilling is hurting the American economy. They have refused to leave the floor after the adjournment motion passed at 11:23 a.m. and are busy bashing Pelosi and her fellow Democrats for leaving town for the August recess."

What a load. Even if the offshore drilling is allowed it will be many years before we see any benefit from it (assuming that prices actually go down) More corporate welfare from the Repubs.

Re:Republican grandstanding (5, Insightful)

rossz (67331) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438069)

Even if the offshore drilling is allowed it will be many years before we see any benefit from it

That was their excuse ten years ago. It would take ten years to see any benefit, so why bother?

Re:Republican grandstanding (5, Insightful)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438095)

Then I guess the vote could wait a few weeks without the economy imploding yes?

Re:Republican grandstanding (4, Informative)

Kohath (38547) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438193)

They won't be holding the vote in a few weeks. Pelosi doesn't intend to ever have the vote.

Re:Republican grandstanding (-1, Troll)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438319)

Troll? I hope you get clobbered in meta you prick.

Re:Republican grandstanding (1)

snoyberg (787126) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438461)

And a few weeks from now we could wait a few weeks without the economy imploding yes?

"wait a few weeks" (1)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438489)

Then I guess the vote could wait a few weeks without the economy imploding yes?

The point of the Republicans is that if the Dems have their way, there'll be no vote on it at all... not today, not a few weeks, never. Because the issue hurts them in the polls.

Keeping an issue front and center when it hurts your opponents is effective politics.

Re:Republican grandstanding (2, Insightful)

RingDev (879105) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438419)

They already have millions of leased acres ready for drilling, why don't they just utilize those resources instead of gaining leases on more land that they wont be able to drill for another 5-15 years?

Oh that's right, Exxon-Mobile just turned an $11 BILLION dollar profit in the last quarter.

The off shore drilling package from the GOP is nothing more than pandering to the uninformed masses while ensuring campaign financing from companies of the most profitable industry in the history of the United States.

-Rick

Crude Oil is an appreciating asset (5, Insightful)

jayveekay (735967) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438453)

The value of crude oil has gone up considerably in the last 10 years. All the oil that was not pumped out of the ground under the U.S. and burned in the last decade is now much more valuable, and if you can avoid pumping and burning it for another 10 years then it will be still more valuable.

Given that Americans are handing huge bills to future generations, including a $10 trillion debt and another $80 trillion in unfunded liabilities (Medicare, Social Security), it is nice that some valuable resources can be passed on too. It is unfortunate that many Americans seem to think "If we don't drill and burn this crude oil now, *I* won't benefit from it! Drill Drill Drill, Burn Burn Burn! It's MY crude oil and I want to BURN it NOW!"

Re:Republican grandstanding (1)

thefekete (1080115) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438471)

Even if the offshore drilling is allowed it will be many years before we see any benefit from it

Bullshit! President Bush released the executive ban and the price fell $6 same day! It's been slowly dropping with the mere talk of drilling. When we actually start it will fall hard before we see one drop.

All this thanks to those "evil futures markets".

Re:Republican grandstanding (2, Insightful)

Naqamel (1138771) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438083)

What a load. Even if the offshore drilling is allowed it will be many years before we see any benefit from it (assuming that prices actually go down)

So you're admitting, then, that we should have started drilling in ANWR in 2002?

Re:Republican grandstanding (2, Insightful)

stinerman (812158) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438371)

Oil production comes out, generally speaking in a bell curve. We'd still be on the left-hand side of that curve.

As Jamie pointed out [slashdot.org] , the DOE has already said that any drilling would have a negligible effect on prices. Ceasing the sabre rattling in Iran would reduce oil prices quite a bit more than new drilling.

We're talking about adding a few drops of water to the ocean here. Oil is a global market and therefore goes to whomever is the highest bidder. Oil prices are going to continue to rise until we can figure out more efficient ways of using it. Of course, most Americans believe having cheap, personal transportation is a birthright, so it's going to be a lot harder to wean us off the idea that a 30-mile commute with no one else in the vehicle is standard.

Re:Republican grandstanding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438505)

No, because even the most generous estimate on it's effect on oil and gases prices still remains just as insignificant as it was 6 years ago.

It has already been many years (3, Insightful)

Kohath (38547) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438119)

Even if the offshore drilling is allowed it will be many years before we see any benefit from it...

And you guys have been saying that for many years. That's why we couldn't fix the problem back then too. Now, many years later, it is not fixed.

More corporate welfare from the Repubs.

Translation: "Americans can't have cheaper gas because some corporation might make some money. It's worth it to have poor people suffer just so you can stick it to those nasty corporations."

Re:It has already been many years (3, Insightful)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438317)

The point is that more drilling isn't a fix. More drilling in the US will provide a relatively small amount of oil which will delay our energy problems for months, maybe a few years at best.

The Republicans are putting on a show today because it looks good to the unwashed masses, but getting their drilling won't solve our energy problems.

Re:It has already been many years (2)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438465)

So we should do nothing? Ignore the temporary fix and just keep taking it in the You act like we can't be doing research in alternative energy while we drill.

Re:Republican grandstanding (1)

j0nb0y (107699) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438191)

The estimates I have seen have said that it will take ten years for additional drilling to have any effect.

I always think its funny when democrats use this as part of their argument against offshore drilling. How long have the democrats been opposed to offshore drilling? It's been more than ten years (take a second and let the irony sink in).

Also, it's not like any of the democrats proposals will have any kind of instantaneous effect anyway. Additional funding for new technologies will certainly not have any immediate effect on oil prices. The democrats also want to increase taxes on oil companies, which will certainly not make the price go down.

Re:Republican grandstanding (2, Insightful)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438351)

Also, it's not like any of the democrats proposals will have any kind of instantaneous effect anyway.

No, but researching new technologies has a chance of providing a long term solution. Drilling on the other hand has no chance of solving our energy problems.

Re:Republican grandstanding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438421)

Then why not put it to a vote? Vote it down and move on...

Instead they just rather shut down, and ignored the issue.

Re:Republican grandstanding (1)

SuiteSisterMary (123932) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438423)

I'm more interested in this part:

refused to leave the floor after the adjournment motion passed

which says to me, in other words, 'Republicans are refusing to follow the accepted Rules of Order, and are *this close* to crossing their arms, stamping their feet, and holding their breath until they turn blue.'

I mean, the article summary, at quick glance, made it sound like the Democrats had simply buggered off, not properly adjourned.

Corrected quote (4, Funny)

eviloverlordx (99809) | more than 5 years ago | (#24437937)

'This is the lobbyists' House,'

I think that's closer to what he was trying to say.

'This is the people's House' (3, Funny)

Legion_SB (1300215) | more than 5 years ago | (#24437941)

GOP: "We must protect this House!"

Didin't the GOP do this too (5, Informative)

clonan (64380) | more than 5 years ago | (#24437945)

As I recall in 2003 the GOP chair of a committee refused to allow the Democratic members of the committe to speak, ignored a motion to continue the hearing and stormed off WITH the gavel in hand...all this beacuse the dems wanted to call some witnesses for testimony.

I forget the details but google knows all.

3.2.1...SPIN!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24437999)

I'm just waiting to hear the spin the media-types put on this story, if it gets covered at all..

Re:3.2.1...SPIN!! (1)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438039)

Why spin it? Just show the Repubs being spoiled children as usual. It would be refreshing in it's honesty.

And the Republicans are hacking the system... (1)

the_skywise (189793) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438013)

Actually this is pretty cool.

From the link, 4th update...

Update 4 - Republican leaders just sent out a notice looking for a bullhorn and leadership aides are trying to corral all the members who are still in town to come speak on the floor and sustain this one-sided debate. Also, Republicans can thank Shadegg for turning on the microphones the first time. Apparently, the fiesty Arizona conservative started typing random codes into the chamber's public address system and accidentally typed the correct code, allowing Republicans brief access to the microphone before it was turned off again. "I love this," Shadegg told reporters up in the press gallery afterward. "Congress can be so boring...This is a kick."

Re:And the Republicans are hacking the system... (2, Funny)

Plazmid (1132467) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438195)

This brings a whole new meaning to "political hack."

Re:And the Republicans are hacking the system... (3, Funny)

chaboud (231590) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438213)

First, it hardly seems cool to hijack the floor and irk a bunch of Congressional police who should be going home to try and ram some unlikely legislation through before a scheduled vacation.

Secondly, typing the PIN into the PA on accident isn't hacking, especially when that PIN is probably "12345." That only counts as being a hacker in a Harrison Ford movie. Real hacking films, like "Hackers" and "Jurrasic Park" show us true hacking, where you fly through file-systems in 3D.

Re:And the Republicans are hacking the system... (1)

the_skywise (189793) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438405)

Pttppht... REAL hacking was on Max Headroom... obviously Shadegg navigated through a vector 3D representation of the office and found the graphic equivalent of the off/on switch and clicked it with his (pre)Steampunk mouse.

Team Building? (1)

cushdan (949520) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438021)

Theres some funny updates on the article

"He then said I am a Democrat and here is my energy plan' and he held up a picture of an old VW Bug with a sail attached to it. He paraded around he house floor with the sign while the crowd cheered."

must be a friday

Approval rating (-1, Troll)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438047)

Yeah, yeah, Nancy: Congress's historically low approval rating is ALL the President's and the Republicans' fault.

Dems have to have their vacation? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438053)

So after years of making fun of Bush for taking excessive vacation time, the Dems just pack up and leave with issues (like the ever-increasing price of gas) on the table.

Ah, hypocrisy, thy name is the Democrat Party.

Dems are doing their jobs??? (4, Insightful)

clonan (64380) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438277)

You are assuming that everyone is going to go hang out at their own 1000 acre ranch.

Congress adjourns BECAUSE we are a representative democracy. Most congressmen go to their home districts and then spend all their time meeting with the people (YOU) to better understand what you want and represent you better.

This is congress doing their job.

What really tells is how active Congress is when they are in session. This Congress has been very active even though all the important legislation has been vetoed. Personally I am looking forward to meeting with my representative (Jim Marshal D-Ga) without having to fly to Washington.

Re:Dems have to have their vacation? (2, Informative)

Reivec (607341) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438457)

Except that the august recess has always been in place, regardless of if you are a dem or a rep. Bush took vacations all the time and extended the amount of time taken compared to previous presidents. Such is not the case here. Also, The dems are preventing the vote as a matter of principle. There are already tons of areas approved for drilling that have not yet been used, the reps just want to drill in areas that are protected as any disaster in those areas if they were drilling could cause massive economic and environmental damage. The economic being the main part. California will not allow off short drilling because their economy is based on costal attractions and seaports. If there is a major oilspill there, you can kiss that goodbye. Why drill in higher risk places when you still other other reserves to tap?

For these reasons, the dems are preventing the vote. The already scheduled vacation time is just a means to an end. Trying to point to this as an example of hypocrisy is just dumb.

Immature (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438059)

Shows how immature the democrats are being, and how messed up politics in general are (both dems and republicans)

My question is, if we can drill on US soil and its environmentally safe then whats the big deal? How is that different then getting oil from somewhere else?

Yes we need to put more focus on alternative fuel sources but that's something that won't happen for a few more years.

you think that is something ? (4, Informative)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438061)

wait until you see the singapore or korean parliament footages. circus doesnt describe it.

even in turkish parliament there has been a lot of fights, and one representative was killed even, by a stray fist landing unintendedly.

Re:you think that is something ? (1)

k_187 (61692) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438111)

Yeah, there hasn't been a fistfight in Congress for 12-13 years I think. Personally, I think this is hilarious.

Re:you think that is something ? (1)

amRadioHed (463061) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438141)

Or British, or Canadian. Pretty much any Parliament.

Re:you think that is something ? (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438429)

youll find that southeastern asian parliaments differ very much from western european counterparts.

WTF?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438131)

What a bunch of fucking children. Can I say that here? Well, I did. We're way overdue for a revolution.

Well, (3, Funny)

danzona (779560) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438143)

I for one welcome our new Republican overlords... wait a minute

Yesterday: $11b in profits for Exxon, today...? (1, Insightful)

revscat (35618) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438169)

Yesterday Exxon-Mobil announced they made $11 billion dollars in profit last quarter, the largest profit of any company in American history. Today, Republicans are making a huge fuss about giving drilling rights, above and beyond the used and unused leases the oil companies currently have.

There's a connection here, but I'm not smart enough to see it.

Oh wait, maybe it's that the GOP is in the pockets of the oil companies, and know that if they make a concerted enough effort that the talk-radio listening drones will join in the cacophony.

Morons. This fake sanctimony just makes them look weak.

Re:Yesterday: $11b in profits for Exxon, today...? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438431)

Yesterday Exxon-Mobil announced they made $11 billion dollars in profit last quarter, the largest profit of any company in American history. Today, Republicans are making a huge fuss about giving drilling rights, above and beyond the used and unused leases the oil companies currently have.

There's a connection here, but I'm not smart enough to see it.

Oh wait, maybe it's that the GOP is in the pockets of the oil companies, and know that if they make a concerted enough effort that the talk-radio listening drones will join in the cacophony.

Morons. This fake sanctimony just makes them look weak.

Before you whine about the huge profits Exxon-Mobile made last quarter, take a closer look at their balance sheet. A net profit margin less than 10%. Compare that to Apple Inc (14%). Being in the "pockets" of oil companies is not going to make you as much money as being in the pockets of other companies out there.

http://finance.google.com/finance?q=xom

Re:Yesterday: $11b in profits for Exxon, today...? (4, Insightful)

Poppa (95105) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438451)

You are an idiot. Gross profit means nothing. Their profit margin was about 8%. There are many more companies with a higher profit margin.

Re:Yesterday: $11b in profits for Exxon, today...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438455)

maybe it's that the GOP is in the pockets of the oil companies

Very likely. And who's pocket are the DEMS in?

Re:Yesterday: $11b in profits for Exxon, today...? (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438513)

What's the margin? and IIRC that 11B means the government made 22B in taxes

Somebody please explain to me... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438177)

...just what the fuck this has to do with "News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters"?

What are we now, DIGG!?

how about no politics crap in slashdot? (4, Insightful)

swschrad (312009) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438229)

all it is is flames in both directions. we have more important things to discuss. like, for instance, goatse.cx

Link please? (1)

mmell (832646) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438473)

After all, this is /. - you wouldn't expect me to comment on that until I RTFA, right? 8^D

on topic? (5, Insightful)

owlnation (858981) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438373)

News for Nerds... er, ok.. how is this?

Were the lights turned off by robot running linux?

Seriously editors, the best way to compete with Digg is not to compete with Digg. People will come.

May I be the first to say (2, Insightful)

Broken scope (973885) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438487)

Why the flying fuck are any of our "concerned" leaders taking a fucking vacation when according to so many of them our country is on the road to hell? Why aren't they working their assess off to make the country, so many of them "love", a better place?

Could it be that few if any of them actually give a fuck about us? Could it be that maybe they do this for themselves, and themselves alone, regardless of their political alignment.

Wake up folks, they don't care, they don't love you, they don't want to make the world better for you, or anyone else. They want to mold the world to be the way they see it.

Bush, McCain, Clinton, Pelosi, Obama, Cheney. It goes for all of them. There may be a few good folks left up there, but they are completely outnumbered.

You reap what you sow (2, Insightful)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24438495)

Republicans in Congress had ~160 hours of hearings into allegations that the Clinton administration vandalized the White House before turning it over to Bush. (They failed to find a single instance of vandalism) They spent ~12 hours investigating the 9/11 attacks. That's why they are now in the minority - because they cannot govern worth a damn. Today's stunt - ignoring the rules of procedure to grandstand for environmentally damaging policies that won't make a difference in gas prices for decades if ever - shows they have not learned their lesson.

Sad state of politics is (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24438503)

not that this stuff happens, it is that your view on who are the idiots is based upon your personal politics. So, approximately 1/2 of you are completely wrong. Which 1/2 are you in? Really? Are you sure that it is all those other people that are idiots and not you?

How about this. I am smarter than you (very highly likely to be true even if you don't think so) and I don't know that I'm not the idiot here.

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