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Band Leaks Own Album, Blames Pirates

Soulskill posted more than 6 years ago | from the building-your-own-soapbox dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 243

A Cow writes "When the hard rock band Buckcherry found out their latest single had leaked on BitTorrent, they didn't try to cover it up or take the file down. No, instead, they issued a press release. After a bit of research, TorrentFreak found out the track wasn't leaked by pirates, but by Josh Klemme, the manager of the band. In an attempt to cover their tracks, the press release was pulled, but it's still available through Reuters and Google's cache."

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That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (5, Funny)

Geoffrey.landis (926948) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443701)

Sounds like a marketting strategy to me!

Re:That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (4, Insightful)

twotailakitsune (1229480) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443733)

They get free marketing; while p2p get one more black mark. The RIAA must paid them for this.

Re:That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (0)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444163)

Obviously. They work for the RIAA. DUR.

Re:That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (5, Interesting)

PJ The Womble (963477) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444269)

Surely the band's manager is their agent, legally speaking?

If that's the case, then if the band are the copyright holders of their own work (a fairly safe assumption) and their agent is making it available in the public domain, I'd have thought it legal to download.

No black mark there. I'll be looking out for it on BitTorrent, as they've granted me the right to peruse the download link, I presume.

Re:That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (5, Informative)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444405)

agent is making it available in the public domain, I'd have thought it legal to download.

That word “public domain” doesn't mean what you think it means. Public domain refers to stuff that is not under copyright. Just because the Linux kernel is available for free from kernel.org (and countless other places), doesn't mean it is in the “public domain.” It doesn't even necessarily mean that you have the right to download it, either.

Re:That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (3, Insightful)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444545)

Hmm, I don't know for sure, but wouldn't uploading one's own copyrighted music imply the conveyance of legal right to have that music? It's not violation of copyright, because you can't violate your own copyright, and the recipient technically is getting the song from the author, so I don't see how it could be considered illegal.

Now, for the downloader to then seed the torrent might be considered illegal, since they aren't licensed to distribute it, but it wouldn't make sense to claim that the file was only intended to be distributed to the people who actually downloaded it from the original owner: the whole purpose of a torrent is to distribute something to lots of people without using as much of the original source's bandwidth.

Re:That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (5, Informative)

shark72 (702619) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444533)

BuckCherry likely own the rights to the words and music (assuming they wrote same), but if their recording contract is like 99% of them, the record label has the rights to the recordings.

Putting it in general terms... if you're a band with a typical contract, you can perform your songs live, print the lyrics, re-record them (once your exclusive recording deal is up), but you CANNOT distribute the recordings without the record label's permission.

"No black mark there. I'll be looking out for it on BitTorrent, as they've granted me the right to peruse the download link, I presume."

If you want to pirate it, just pirate it. Your rationalization, while unintentionally fallacious, is fallacious all the same.

Re:That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444053)

That's not piracy, that's *Marketing*

There really isn't a single difference aside from those who recognize it as such...

Re:That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (4, Insightful)

aplusjimages (939458) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444075)

True that. I've never heard of BuckCherry, but I'll be damned if we aren't talking about them on Slashdot. That's a manager earning his fifteen percent.

Re:That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (1)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444335)

Well, if a slashdot posting garners the band some sales then yes, the manager earned his cut today... otherwise he should have to pay torrentfreak and reuters for the bandwidth that we used following the story... personally, this story is not going to cause me to buy anything.

Re:That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (2, Insightful)

sdo1 (213835) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444483)

I've never heard of BuckCherry...

You haven't missed much.

-S

Re:That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444275)

You mean mARRRketing.

Re:That's not piracy, that's *Marketing* (1)

leamanc (961376) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444303)

Too bad this comment will go down in the annals of Slashdot modded as "Funny." It was 20% Insightful and 20% Interesting, but should have been 100% Insightful. I agree that it is a new marketing strategy, and one that we are likely to see more of in the future: fake "leaked album" controversy to drum interest in a band that most people couldn't give a bowel movement about.

Uh... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24443713)

When the hard rock band "BuckCherry"

I don't know about you, but I don't want them bucking my cherry. *puts on chastity belt*

Re:Uh... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24443819)

Several years ago, a friend of mine was reading a musical artist with "awards" for the year. "Worst name of the year" award went to "Cherry Popping Daddies." My friend asks me "What's so bad about that name?" And then I had to explain to him what the name could imply... he agreed it was, in fact, a bad name.

Re:Uh... (1)

retchdog (1319261) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443913)

Yeah, I remember the newspaper referred to them as the "CP Daddies" despite there easily being enough space for the full name. We got a laugh out of that.

Re:Uh... (1)

GXTi (635121) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444469)

A significant improvement. Captain Picard would approve.

Re:Uh... (3, Funny)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443937)

Hey man, as a member of the Zoot Suit wearing community, I think you need to calm down with all that jive talk about the band's name. Why don't you just throw back a bottle of beer and relax?

Double “uh”. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24443961)

There is no “could imply” about it. “Cherry Poppin' [wikipedia.org] Daddies” explicitly addresses deflowering.

Re:Uh... (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444389)

That reminds me of a troll on k5 whose nick was "bloody vagina uncle".

Ignorance is bliss... (1)

Lord MuffloN (1310101) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443715)

...and the hypocrisy paramount.

Not as bad as movie stars. (1, Offtopic)

Sybert42 (1309493) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443721)

Movies deal in 100% artificial scarcity--they don't even have technical support! At least music acts generally tour.

Viral Marketing for Dummies (5, Funny)

gooman (709147) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443727)

Example found in the chapter: What NOT to do.

Re:Viral Marketing for Dummies (2, Insightful)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444471)

If it is what not to do, Why do I now know their name?

(Please don't play that it is bad publicity. Nothing could embarrass them more than their bandname).

Stands to reason (5, Insightful)

loomis (141922) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443735)

It stands to reason that such a talentless and disposable band would stoop to such dishonesty. Show the band how you support such underhanded tactics by making sure that you never buy any of their albums (not that you would anyhow).

Re:Stands to reason (4, Funny)

dahitokiri (1113461) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443767)

Crazy bitch.

Re:Stands to reason (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24443919)

To the douchebag that modded this person down, Crazy Bitch is a name of a Buckcherry song. Slashdot mods - new levels of stupidity every day.

Re:Stands to reason (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444015)

Exactly. All mods should know about all unknown songs by all unknown bands!

Re:Stands to reason (0, Troll)

mitgib (1156957) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444095)

Exactly. All mods should know about all unknown songs by all unknown bands!

Listen to the song Crazy Bitch, it's really quite funny, and if you've had a woman, would know it.

Re:Stands to reason (2, Insightful)

Cl1mh4224rd (265427) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444141)

Listen to the song Crazy Bitch, it's really quite funny [...]

Not after the hundredth time on the radio. That song is just annoying...

Re:Stands to reason (1)

crywolf (445243) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444517)

Indeed. Hearing it overplayed that much has convinced me to never buy a BuckCherry album. I'd have to gouge out my ears.

Re:Stands to reason (4, Funny)

Lord Fury (977501) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444463)

You're right, the song is funny in that it portrays my last girlfriend perfectly. She sang the same four lines over and over again three times an hour 7 days a week for several months.

Re:Stands to reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444125)

To the douchebag that modded this person down, Crazy Bitch is a name of a Buckcherry song. Slashdot mods - new levels of stupidity every day.

Mods on cocaine? [lyricsdownload.com]

Re:Stands to reason (5, Funny)

d34thm0nk3y (653414) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443887)

It stands to reason that such a talentless and disposable band would stoop to such dishonesty. Show the band how you support such underhanded tactics by making sure that you never buy any of their albums (not that you would anyhow).

Don't download it either, sucks when people don't even want your stuff for free!

Re:Stands to reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24443891)

Could you please tell me some more of my opinions, please?

Re:Stands to reason (1)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443997)

Could you please tell me some more of my opinions, please?

Sure. You also think your... I mean... "the band's" talent has been greatly under-appreciated over the past few years.

Re:Stands to reason (1)

colmore (56499) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443989)

Harvey Milk are about a bazijillion times better anyway.

Re:Stands to reason (5, Funny)

DigitalHammer (581235) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444037)

Show the band how you support such underhanded tactics by making sure that you never buy any of their albums.

Huh? You can buy music? :P

Re:Stands to reason (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444131)

they're actually not a horrible band, but still, I'm disgusted by their metallica style antics and won't be supporting them. Blaming the "pirates" and proclaiming they wanted the "real fans" to get it first.. who do they think are downloading it? The fans. So don't insult your fans in a circuitous way.

Re:Stands to reason (1)

ystar (898731) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444173)

More like Suck Cherry.

Who does the RIAA represent? (1)

orionop (1139819) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443801)

It seems that not only the bands, but the managers of the bands want the music to be heard through any means, with a chance of being bought; rather than going through the normal channels. The RIAA is being fought from the inside and out!

Re:Who does the RIAA represent? (5, Interesting)

Pincus (744497) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443829)

Is the manager technically represented by the RIAA or is he simply an employee of the band represented by it? If he doesn't fit into the RIAA hierarchy officially, they would be best served to go after him. After all, haven't we decided it's best to go after the drug producers and major dealers instead of the runners and users?

Let's get this out of the way... (5, Funny)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443811)

I didn't RTFA, but I for one welcome our new, naked Natalie Portman and grits overlords, to which CmdrTaco replied, "you must be new here." He's a Twitter sock-puppet, but so am I, you insensitive clod! In Soviet Russia, the only way to be sure is for orbit to nuke you with a beowulf cluster (yes, it runs Linux!). ??? Profit!

I am trying to condense Slashdot down to a fine extract. Anyone else want to see if they can perfect it?

Re:Let's get this out of the way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444115)

Make sure the beowulf cluster is in the cloud.

Re:Let's get this out of the way... (4, Funny)

momerath2003 (606823) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444185)

You forgot that email is for old South Koreans.

Re:Let's get this out of the way... (3, Funny)

TheNucleon (865817) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444253)

I didn't RTFA, but I for one welcome our new, naked Natalie Portman and grits overlords, to which CmdrTaco replied, "you must be new here." He's a Twitter sock-puppet, but so am I, you insensitive clod! In Soviet Russia, the only way to be sure is for orbit to nuke you with a beowulf cluster (yes, it runs Linux!). ??? Profit! Mod Parent Up!! There, fixed that for ya :-)

I am trying to condense Slashdot down to a fine extract. Anyone else want to see if they can perfect it?

Re:Let's get this out of the way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444299)

Not one mention of the tyrannical acts of the Microsoft Corporation? No one had a chair thrown at them? A CowboyNeal option?

You fucking amateur.

(and its GNU/Linux, asshole)

Re:Let's get this out of the way... (1)

machine321 (458769) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444323)

First post!

Re:Let's get this out of the way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444331)

You forgot to petrify Natalie.

Re:Let's get this out of the way... (2, Informative)

Eudial (590661) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444361)

I didn't RTFA, but I for one welcome our new, naked Natalie Portman and grits overlords, to which CmdrTaco replied, "you must be new here." He's a Twitter sock-puppet, but so am I, you insensitive clod! In Soviet Russia, the only way to be sure is for orbit to nuke you with a beowulf cluster (yes, it runs Linux!). ??? Profit!

I am trying to condense Slashdot down to a fine extract. Anyone else want to see if they can perfect it?

You need to work in the frequently referenced pasty-white-parents'-basement-dwelling-virgin stereotype there somewhere.

Re:Let's get this out of the way... (1)

artifex2004 (766107) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444393)

I am trying to condense Slashdot down to a fine extract. Anyone else want to see if they can perfect it?

. No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame. [slashdot.org]

Re:Let's get this out of the way... (1)

yomegaman (516565) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444423)

OOG SMASH HEAD WITH OPEN SOURCE CD! There, fixed that for you.

PS: Man do I fucking hate the "fixed that for you" thing.

Re:Let's get this out of the way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444583)

PS: Man do I love the "fixed that for you" thing.

Fixed that for you.

Re:Let's get this out of the way... (2, Informative)

chord.wav (599850) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444447)

I'd like to add:
OMG Ponnies!
and:
[Insert favourite flying chair Ballmer joke]

Bullshit (2, Informative)

MiKM (752717) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444485)

I won't believe a word of what you said until Netcraft confirms it.

Re:Let's get this out of the way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444513)

SHARKS WITH FRICKEN' LASERS.

This makes a lot of sense (5, Funny)

Carbon016 (1129067) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443841)

Buckcherry has released an official statement regarding the song's unscheduled arrival, declaring, "Honestly, we hate it when this s*** happens, because we want our FANS to have any new songs first."

So basically, either none of their fans use the internet, their definition of "first" is different than mine, or they inhabit some sort of crazy universe with non-linear time.

I think they were "Too Drunk...." when they wrote this press release.

Re:This makes a lot of sense (1)

farkus888 (1103903) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444059)

too drunk to write original music! every time I hear them at when out at the bar I go request the dead kennedys. it seems the regular dj at my regular bar has an aversion to much superior original versions of songs.

I think (5, Funny)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444197)

They are basically using a silly sort of reverse logic. They want to leak the song, because they know it'll generate more interest. However they are worried if they do, that people will choose to download it and then not buy it. So they then come up with the idea that "Hey, we'll pretend like we didn't leak it and hate on those that did. That'll shame the fans in to buying it!" After that the discussion was probably something along the lines of "Fuck yeah I am a philosophy logic ninja MASTER! Pass the bong man."

Re:This makes a lot of sense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444205)

clearly, their fans are the people who give them money.

Re:This makes a lot of sense (4, Funny)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444231)

You insensitive clod! I live in linear-non is time where universe a!

Nothing new (2, Insightful)

deathtopaulw (1032050) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443843)

The only news in this article is that it has become news, and therefore publicity.
The leaking of albums has always been a marketing tactic used by the record companies.

Oh, the irony... (5, Insightful)

bakuun (976228) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443859)

The irony is that by actually having been found out like this, the publicity and attention they got increased dramatically. Would it have been posted on slashdot if they hadn't been the ones uploading in the first place?

1. Leak single to torrent site
2. Complain about it in press release
3. Get a little attention
4. Make sure that people find out that you actually did #1.
5. Get lots of attention
6. ???
7. Profit!

Re:Oh, the irony... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24443933)

like a meta viral marketing?

another web 2.0 term is born!

Sounds like the manager isn't a fan (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24443873)

They never blamed pirates. They merely stated that they like their fans to get first cuts.

Up Until... (5, Funny)

Authoritative Douche (1255948) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443895)

...I heard about this, Buck Cherry were one of my favorite bands. I would kill to have Josh Todd's voice. Alas, they are one more thing for me to boycott. Fuck.

Re:Up Until... (5, Insightful)

slack_prad (942084) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444087)

Don't you usually like or dislike a music band for their .. I don't know .. music?

Re:Up Until... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444285)

Music? Have you listened to Buck Cherry?

Re:Up Until... (5, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444287)

Yes and no.

Yes, I usually like bands for their music. I also usually like game studios for their games.

When I feel tricked and cheated by them, whether or not I like their product becomes secondary. I don't want to do business with a company or people who try to cheat me.

Re:Up Until... (2, Interesting)

PJ The Womble (963477) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444311)

There used to be a band in the late 70s/early 80s, here in the UK, called the 4 Skins (there were 4 of them, and they were skinheads, in case y'all were wondering).

They played some damned good punk rocking stuff. Then people labelled them as fascists (accusing them of being aligned with the British Movement, a UK Nazi organisation), and it wasn't cool to like them any more - even though they were still playing the same music. After that, the band published a statement saying that they weren't fascists at all, they just liked a good fight on a Saturday afternoon with (basically) anyone who was up for it.

So then it was okay to like the music again on the basis that they weren't fascists, but you couldn't enjoy them if you were a pacifist, I guess!

Re:Up Until... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444317)

Don't you usually like or dislike a music band for their .. I don't know .. music?

Try telling that to the Radiohead fanboys.

Remember wear your hazmat suit, too.

Re:Up Until... (1)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444319)

Not really. I consider the music separate from the band completely. after all, anyone can play the songs.

Re:Up Until... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444343)

Not really. I consider the music separate from the band completely. after all, anyone can play the songs.

you must be listening to some really shit music then.

Yeah, back before the war... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444411)

> Don't you usually like or dislike a music band for their .. I don't know .. music?

Yeah, back in the old days when they weren't fighting a War on Sharing against their fans...

Obligatory. . . (0, Redundant)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443901)

1. Leak album to pirates.
2. Blame pirates for leaked album.
3. ???
4. Profit!

Re:Obligatory. . . (1)

Ansoni-San (955052) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444021)

They didn't quite make it to 4 though did they. I guess 3 must have been "FAIL!" this time.

Re:Obligatory. . . (1)

Vectronic (1221470) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444221)

"They didn't quite make it to 4 though did they [yet]."

We'll have to wait to see how trials and settlements go, as well as what the album makes on its release. (16 September 2008, according to the Wiki)

Re:Obligatory. . . (1)

figleaf (672550) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444129)

3. Garner more publicity -- Release an expose that the band released its own album on P2P and blamed pirates.

The sum of my feelings (1)

v3lut (123906) | more than 6 years ago | (#24443987)

Who?

I'd have never heard of them if not for this article.

Re:The sum of my feelings (1)

Koiu Lpoi (632570) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444511)

That's the point, son. This is all a way to get their name out there. I, for one, will by boycotting them in response.

Wikipedia edits (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444005)

From the article: "It turns out that the uploader, a New York resident, had only uploaded one torrent, the BuckCherry track. When we entered the IP-address into the Wiki-scanner, we found out that the person in question had edited the BuckCherry wikipedia entry, and added the name of the band manager to another page."

Well, a certain person, who has coincidentally both edited the BuckCherry page, and added a name to a radio station page, has also added a couple of questionable contributions [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Wikipedia edits (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444449)

It looks like [wikipedia.org] Mr. Klemme is in need of a good maxillofacial surgeon.

Let Jesus Fuck You (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444013)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwSrr3pEtbw [youtube.com] Not as off-topic as you might think...

Using... (1)

Maverynthia (1105281) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444027)

Can we use this article as a basis to say all those other game companies and the like really leaked their own stuff and it wasn't pirates after all? Perhaps I should say, if enough people call pirates and there are no pirates, soon people will stop believing them and the pirates really will take the sheep.

So doesn't uploading to bittorrent... (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444031)

Imply unlimited permission to distribute?

Seeing as unlimited redistribution (uploading, and eventual seeding by downloaders) is inherent of bittorrent protocol, DHT, etc, and to be expected by anyone uploading via bittorrent.

Oblig. Zen Question (1, Funny)

kmkznobeikoku (1319847) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444043)

If a no-name rock band falls on it's face, and there's no one to hear it, .....do you care? Awaiting flames in T minus 5...4...3...

Any publicity... (3, Insightful)

everynerd (1252610) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444065)

The great thing about public relations mishaps like this is that even if they're viewed negatively, the band is still getting media attention and in turn creating buzz about an upcoming album. You can sit and bash the band for their music and their mistake, but the fact that we're talking about it means they're doing something right.

Entrapment? (1)

New_Age_Reform_Act (1256010) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444067)

Smells like it. Another dubious attempt to boost RIAA credibility.

"Hard rock"? (5, Funny)

InspectorxGadget (1230170) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444133)

BuckCherry is flaccid rock, at most.

heehee (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444155)

Why so... serious?

License To Download (2, Interesting)

tony1343 (910042) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444171)

Since the band put the album on bittorent, sounds to me like they implicitly gave everyone a copyright license to download it. No reason to buy it now; it's free. If they didn't grant a license, I'm going to record myself screaming into a microphone, burn cds of it, then hand it out a Walmart and then sue people for copyright infringement for taking it. Sounds like almost as good of an idea as the Underpants Gnomes scheme.

Re:License To Download (2, Informative)

nawcom (941663) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444281)

sounds to me like they implicitly gave everyone a copyright license to download it.

What the hell?

You need to learn what a copyright is. Just because something is free doesn't mean no one has rights over it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright [wikipedia.org]

In fact copyrights are used to determine "who is not given rights" over the certain material, and that is decided by the exclusive owner. While p2p doesn't "intellectually" copy something, it does physically copy it. This comes down to stuff the RIAA argued over; whether loading an mp3 into memory is essentially copyright infringement.

So I assume what you meant is that they implicitly loosened the limitations of their copyright - when you purchase something you don't get any license; you simply lack limitations set on you by the copyright owners when it comes to physical ownership, hence not "infringing" it.

This is all based on me reading up a little of copyright law, so if i misunderstood a part of it please correct me.

downloads (1)

immorak (904819) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444187)

If one downloads the song could they not be a fan hearing the tune first?

Press release (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444213)

NEW YORK, NY, Jul 22 (MARKET WIRE) --
Eleven Seven Music/Atlantic recording group Buckcherry has announced
early details of its hugely anticipated fourth album, "BLACK BUTTERFLY."
The album -- which follows 2006's RIAA platinum-certified blockbuster,
"15" -- arrives in stores at all digital retailers on September 16th.

  "Too Drunk...," a featured track from "BLACK BUTTERFLY," recently appeared
online at a number of BitTorrent sites. Buckcherry has released an
official statement regarding the song's unscheduled arrival, declaring,
"Honestly, we hate it when this s*** happens, because we want our FANS to
have any new songs first."

  In response to the leak, the band quickly cut "a down and dirty video" for
"Too Drunk..." which can be viewed on www.Buckcherry.com. With its sexy,
slinky groove, "Too Drunk..." offers a new facet to Buckcherry's trademark
hard-rocking sonic approach. "I just wanted something that was funky,"
notes lead singer Josh Todd, "so we all collaborated on it and turned it
into something with a lot of space to breeze along and tell a story."

  "BLACK BUTTERFLY" is now available for preorder via www.Buckcherry.com.
Fans who preorder the Limited Edition Fan Pack will receive the track "Too
Drunk..." at the time of their preorder. The ringtone for the track is
also available on the band's website. The album -- co-produced by longtime
Aerosmith collaborator Marti Frederiksen (the co-writer of Buckcherry's
top 10 smash, "Sorry") and Buckcherry's own Keith Nelson -- will be
offered in a standard CD package; a "Limited Fan Club Edition" version,
which comes with bonus tracks and a one-year membership to the Buckcherry
Fan Club; and a "Limited Fan Club Edition" bundle which adds a "BLACK
BUTTERFLY" T-shirt to the previous package. For more information, visit
www.Buckcherry.com.

  The newly updated www.Buckcherry.com also features the "BLACK BUTTERFLY"
album art, as well as links and information regarding the band's current
role in this summer's "Cruee Fest." The just-underway North American tour
sees Buckcherry lighting up stages all summer long as part of a
multi-artist bill which also includes Moetley Cruee, Papa Roach, SIXX:
A.M., and Trapt (see below itinerary).

  True road warriors, Buckcherry will follow "Cruee Fest" with a full-scale
co-headline tour alongside Avenged Sevenfold, slated to kick off in
mid-September, running through the beginning of October. (See below for
announced dates; additional dates to be announced at a later date.)

  Buckcherry was featured in a recent Billboard cover story which declared
the Los Angeles-based band to be "a platinum-plated redemption story,
years in the making." Powered by four enormously successful multi-format
hit singles, "15" firmly established Buckcherry's status as America's
preeminent hard rock outfit. "Crazy Bitch" -- the album's Grammy
Award-nominated first single -- caused a radio riot upon its 2006 release,
reaching #2 at Mainstream Rock and #3 at Active Rock. A string of further
rock and alternative radio hits followed, including "Next 2 You,"
"Everything," and the CHR/Top 40 crossover smash, "Sorry." The singles
have all blown up online, with cumulative digital sales now approaching 1
million. In addition, "Crazy Bitch" spent over a year in the Nielsen
RingScan Top 30 -- the only track to do so in the chart's history. The
track has since been certified as a Platinum Master Ringtone by the RIAA.

  What's more, Buckcherry spent nearly two full years on the road,
performing more than 300 live shows in support of "15." A full-scale
headline tour behind "BLACK BUTTERFLY" will be announced shortly.

  Buckcherry is: Josh Todd - vocals * Keith Nelson - guitar * Jimmy Ashhurst
- bass * Stevie D. - guitar * Xavier Muriel - drums.

  For additional information, please visit www.buckcherry.com
and
www.myspace.com/buckcherry.

BUCKCHERRY - ON TOUR SUMMER & FALL 2008
July 22-Aug. 31 with Cruee Fest
Sept. 13-Oct. 4 co-headline dates with Avenged Sevenfold*

JULY
22 Houston, TX Toyota Center
23 San Antonio, TX Verizon Wireless Amphitheater
24 Dallas, TX Superpages.com Center
26 Albuquerque, NM Journal Pavilion
27 Denver, CO Fiddler's Green Amphitheatre
29 Salt Lake City, UT USANA Amphitheatre
31 Phoenix, AZ Cricket Wireless Pavilion

AUGUST
1 Las Vegas, NV Mandalay Bay Events Center**
2 Los Angeles, CA Glen Helen Pavilion
5 Sacramento, CA Sleep Train Pavilion
6 Mountain View, CA Shoreline Amphitheatre
8 Seattle, WA White River Amphitheatre
9 Portland, OR Rose Garden
11 Vancouver, BC General Motors Place
13 Edmonton, AB Rexall Place
14 Calgary, AB Pengrowth Saddledome
15 Saskatoon, SK Credit Union Centre
17 Winnipeg, MB MTS Centre
19 Cincinnati, OH Riverbend Amphitheatre
20 Cleveland, OH Blossom Music Center
22 Boston, MA Tweeter Center
23 Holmdel, NJ PNC Bank Arts Center
24 Uncasville, CT Mohegan Sun Arena***
28 Toronto, ONT Molson Amphitheatre
29 Albany, NY Saratoga Performing Arts Center
30 Scranton, PA Toyota Pavilion at Montage Mountain
31 Pittsburgh, PA Post-Gazette Pavilion

**Moetley Cruee, Buckcherry, and Papa Roach only
***Moetley Cruee and Buckcherry only

*Co-headline dates with Avenged Sevenfold:
SEPTEMBER
16 Moline, IL IWireless Center
18 Sioux Falls, SD Canaries Stadium
19 Kansas City, MO Sandstone Amphitheatre
20 Oklahoma City, OK Zoo Amphitheatre
22 Lincoln, NE Pershing Auditorium
23 Wichita, KS Kansas Coliseum
24 Tulsa, OK Riverparks
26 Huntsville, AL Big Spring Jam
30 Clemson, SC Little John Coliseum

OCTOBER
4 Mobile, AL Bayfest

*Additional dates to be announced at a later date. Please visit
www.Buckcherry.com for updates.

Contact:

Ashley White
Atlantic Records
212.707.2050
Ashley.White@atlanticrecords.com

Tiffany Youhanna
10th Street Entertainment
310.385.4730
Tiffany@10thst.com

Jill Siegel
10th Street Entertainment
212.334.3160
JillS@10thst.com

Special Notice to All GNAA Members: (1)

Eco-Mono (978899) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444549)

Special Notice to All GNAA Members:

You have new orders. I want a pro-GNAA version of this press release on my desk at 0600 hours.

Actually, make that two male prostitutes and a pro-GNAA version of this press release.

Actually, you can skip the press release if you want to.

- timecop

This was prone to backfire. (3, Interesting)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444225)

No matter how it ends up.

The "direct" damage, by having the tracks downloaded, is easy to keep under control. Having a torrent means jack if nobody seeds. Just because there's a .torrent file doesn't mean the file is available on BT. It only means someone created a hash.

But, well, to recoin an old phrase, imagine it's torrent and nobody leeches. What does that mean, essentially? That nobody wants the crap! It's available. For free. To be taken. And NOBODY bothers to do just that! It ain't even worth the bandwidth necessary to DL it.

If there's any lesson in this, it's don't do that! The first thing a (reputable) record mag would have done when this info came out, provided it was genuine, was to check with BT. And see that nobody uploads/downloads the tracks. And then write about a band that nobody wants. Not even for free, delivered right to your computer.

Why lie about it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444243)

I don't understand why they won't just release a debut song on bittorrent sites to promote the album. Why lie about it?

Re:Why lie about it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444365)

Gorilla Marketing

Re:Why lie about it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24444561)

the word you are looking for is guerrilla.

guerrilla marketing

Worst Concert Band Ever (1)

BurfCurse (937117) | more than 6 years ago | (#24444351)

This band must have one hell of a producer. I'll admit that their studio music isn't that bad. I've seem that play twice at music festivals. There concerts are freaking terrible. I mean embarrasing terrible. I don't even know how they ever got signed.

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