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iPhone Tethering App Released, Killed In 2 Hours

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the and-they-wonder-why-we-jailbreak dept.

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tjhayes writes "The iPhone App Store released an application called NetShare that allowed the iPhone to tether a laptop to the internet. It was priced at a $10 one-time fee. After being available for approximately 2 hours, the application has disappeared from the apps store. What exactly are AT&T/Apple trying to accomplish here?" They are trying to prove what is wrong with DRM, and demonstrate why hackers want to jailbreak the iPhone.

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I got mine (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446789)

it works

Re:I got mine (4, Insightful)

sqlrob (173498) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446799)

Until Apple decides to blacklist it and erase it off the phone on an iTunes update.

What about outside the USA? (5, Insightful)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446817)

I know tethering is against the AT&T rules and regulations... but why was it pulled for all non-usa iphones? We don't have the same agreements with our carriers outside the USA, and yet ... we suffer because AT&T can't stop complaining...

Re:What about outside the USA? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446999)

The thinking is...

The U.S. is the only country that matters.

Re:What about outside the USA? (4, Insightful)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447085)

I don't get it.
Buy $600 phone.
Pay $60-90/month to use it.
And you can't tether.

That's what I'd be the most interested in anyways. WOW on the go would be fun.

What you talkin' about willis? (0, Flamebait)

goombah99 (560566) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447305)

I don't get it.
Buy $600 phone.
Pay $60-90/month to use it.
And you can't tether.

That's what I'd be the most interested in anyways. WOW on the go would be fun.

Well duh and i'd like a pony too. You are paying for the service you are getting not the one you wish you were getting. Maybe someome will write an app called "net-sell". and I can go to coffeeshops and rent my iphone connection to all the people in the room.

Re:What you talkin' about willis? (5, Insightful)

IntergalacticWalrus (720648) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447385)

Maybe someome will write an app called "net-sell". and I can go to coffeeshops and rent my iphone connection to all the people in the room.

Why not?

What I use my Internet connection for is none of my Internet provider's fucking business, and if you believe otherwise then you're just a tool.

Re:What about outside the USA? (5, Informative)

stevel (64802) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447193)

Tethering is not against AT&T rules in general. Tethering is supported on AT&T if you have a plan that allows it. In the past, all data plans allowed tethering, and that's the kind I have. Nowadays their data plans for PDA phones come in two levels, with and without tethering. The difference does not seem to be strictly enforced from what I have heard, but if you are caught tethering on a no-tether plan you may be subject to big extra charges.

I do not have an iPhone, and lack of tethering support is one of many reasons why. I occasionally tether with my Treo 750 and it works well.

Whatever the issue is with tethering on the iPhone, it would seem to be Apple and not AT&T. Many AT&T phones support tethering, but not the iPhone.

Re:What about outside the USA? (2, Interesting)

iocat (572367) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447231)

Tethering is absolutely not against AT&T regulations. I was able to pay I think... $9.95 a month to add tethering to my data plan for my 3G Cingular Windows Mobile 8525 (aka the Tilt). ATT is all about tethering. Not sure why they hate it on the iPhone.

But... I do know that it totally sucked in terms of speed and battery life. If they are banning tethering on the iPhone, I suspect it's battery-life related, since the battery life seems to be the 800lb gorrila in the room with that phone. [smugly pats BlackBerry Curve]

Re:What about outside the USA? (0)

guice (907163) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447267)

Because I think tethering on an iPhone is more of an open box than other phones. I don't know how other phones work, but I can't see how you would limit tethering on an iPhone with or without a tethering plan. It seems to be the iPhone tethering is very much an all or none. Especially since the iPhone, unlike other phones, is a pure software driven phone.

Re:What about outside the USA? (4, Insightful)

stevel (64802) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447405)

There's nothing that special about the iPhone - all phones are "software driven". With other tethering-capable phones, tethering is done by either Bluetooth (with a standard "Personal Area Network" profile), or by a USB connection (requires software on the tethered computer). On my WM6 Treo 750, I just start the AT&T-provided "Internet Sharing" application and tap "Connect" - done.

I think that many who gush about the iPhone and think it is unique have never used a smartphone before, of which there are many excellent examples on the market. What is unique about the iPhone is the way Apple decides what you are allowed to use it for.

Re:What about outside the USA? (1)

anexkahn (935249) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447387)

I don't see what the problem is...they sell tethering for my blackberry. What is the difference between tethering it and tethering the iPhone? They must still be figuring out how to make more money off of it.

What is the big deal? (1, Redundant)

seann (307009) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446801)

I believe it is against the EUL for developing applications on the iPhone.

You don't like their terms, don't use their product.

Re:What is the big deal? (5, Insightful)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446837)

we'll do more than not use it, we will continue to point out how such a retarded policy is wrong, and that's it's costing apple customers.

Re:What is the big deal? (5, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446955)

Roger that! But when you do more than "not buy/use it" the fanboys (and girls) want to mod you as flamebait.

Apple is mostly image and branding. There is nothing Apple does that is unique. There is nothing in the iPhone that is unique. (You show me an iPhone, I'll show you a PalmOS phone and the major differences are fewer buttons/keys on the iPhone and more graphic intensive.) So what makes Apple better or different? It's how people FEEL about Apple. If you disagree, instead of modding me flaimbait, how about citing some *objective* examples of where I am mistaken?

When people at my office ask me about iPhone, I state where I see it falling short. You can't remove or replace the battery. So when the battery is useless, the phone is useless. That almost always gives people cause to think. But still 1 in 20 people will still say something like "I don't care! It's so cool!" I don't try to stand in their way either. If they can't see beyond the bling-bling, they aren't going to hear what I have to say about it.

Maybe the problem is all mine... I am just not as enthused by shiny stuff as other people are. I want it to work the way I want it to work and to use it the way I want to use it. If I can't, it's nothing short of an annoyance.

Ok, I will bite and respond (2, Interesting)

blahbooboo (839709) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447057)

1) Unique -- Uh, how about the user interface? One can be nit-picky about anything not being "unique." For example, there is nothing unique or original between a Ford and a Mercedes vehicle, I mean they both have wheels, seats, and use gas right? (sarcasm in case you miss it).

2) Battery -- Well, your usage is different. I have never ever purchased a second battery for a cell phone in all the years I have owned a cell phone. Your experience obviously is different. Oh, you do realize you can buy a replacement battery from Apple right?

3) Palm OS does all the same things -- Are you kidding me? That OS is CRAP, wait that would give crap a bad name it's so shitty. If people wanted to use something designed in 1995 have fun. You have got to be kidding trying to compare Palm OS to any of the modern cell OS systems.

Oh, and I don't own an iPhone. Your comments just were too ridiculous to ignore.

Re:Ok, I will bite and respond (1)

phoomp (1098855) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447129)

Battery: I don't have an iPhone, but I have an iPod Touch which I have to charge up every 2 days. If I was also using it as a phone, I would probably have to charge it every day and risk having a dead battery at the end of the day before I get to a charger.

Re:Ok, I will bite and respond (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24447213)

Fanboy alert! Fanboy alert!

Re:Ok, I will bite and respond (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447421)

I'm with you on PalmOS. I looked into getting a LifeDrive when they came out. Seemed like really interesting hardware. However from everything I hear, the OSis complete crap. Crashes all the time, completely unstable. On the other hand, PalmOS has a really rich library of apps, and it's completely open to anyone. That's one big advantage over the iPhone. I guess we couldn't get a phone with everything.

Re:What is the big deal? (4, Insightful)

crmarvin42 (652893) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447091)

Apple is mostly image and branding

No one will argue with you that Image is very important to Apple.
No one will argue with you that Image is important to ANY company marketing to consumer.
The point where you'll get nasty responses is when you claim that Apple is Only, or Mostly image. I was a Windows fanboy in HS because of the Image of Apple products (overpriced, underpowered, niche, etc.). When I finally gave them a try is when I realized that the Image I had of Apple was actually being espoused by people who hadn't used a Mac in years, if ever. I made the switch because I don't have to fight with the OS.

You want to argue that the Windows OS's are easier to use, more stable, more intuitive/consistent? Fine, you can argue that point if you don't like looking silly.

You want to argue that PC's are cheaper than Mac's? You've got a more valid point here, Macs usually do come at a ~10% premium. I think the increase in usability and not having to spend that money on virus/spyware prevention makes up for the difference, but I can see the other point of view.

You want to argue that the iPhone does nothing special? Fine, I can concede that point as long as we ignore the whole "usability" issue. I currently have a phone that has most of the features that everyone raves about on the iPhone, but I've never used them. It doesn't even occur to me to use them because I feel like I need a PhD in computer science with a specialization in programing for imbedded devices to figure out how to use the damn features. You don't have that problem? Good for you but the general public shares my frustrations and seem to have been able to figure out the iPhone without so much as having to by an "iPhone for Idiot's" book.

If you insist that everyone with a different set of priorities and judgement calls is being bamboozled by

the bling-bling

, then you're just showing yourself to be myopic and condescending to those around you. Maybe you need to consider that the reason people aren't listening to your advise is that their priorities differ from yours and not that they are slaves to Apples marketing material.

Re:What is the big deal? (5, Interesting)

dindi (78034) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447391)

features that everyone raves about on the iPhone, but I've never used them. It doesn't even occur to me to use them because I feel like I need a PhD in computer science with a specialization in programing for imbedded devices to figure out how to use the damn features.

Hah, thank you. I own a Nokia e65, which is as expensive as an iPhone, but I simply do not feel like using these functions, because they suck with the interface provided...

I "accidentally" bought an iPhone (I had a site I had to format for iPhone so I had to get a phone), and after that I just kept the phone. Even though some features (such as net sharing with a laptop) are missing, I am still happier because YOU CAN USE THE DAMN THING .... unlike the 40 others ......

I also totally agree with your other points about Apple VS not apple, but I made the switch from Linux desktop (as I dropped Windows 10 years ago, even though I had to use it here and there)

The big deal (5, Insightful)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447127)

Okay, I'll bite. Funny thing is, I don't even have an iPhone, but I'm pretty familiar with another of Apple's products. I have a video iPod, and I absolutely love it.

It has little to do with it being an Apple product. Frankly, I'm not a big fan of the company, precisely because it tries to be all glitzy. But just as frankly, my iPod is head and shoulders above any other mp3 player I've ever used. Sure, it's pretty, but it also has a very nice display. I find that navigating using the touch wheel is much easier than the clunky buttons on most other players. Getting music and videos is stupidly simple. Although I'm technically proficient and can rip CDs and DVDs, jump through hoops encoding and transferring stuff, I appreciate the fact that with my iPod, I don't have to. I hate the DRM that Apple imposes on content, but it works well enough for me, and when I need to get past it, hey, I can still rip CDs and DVDs and jump through hoops encoding and transferring stuff.

You say, "I want it to work the way I want it to work and use it the way I want to use it." Well, you've pretty much stumbled onto why there are so many Apple devotees. Sure, there are some fanboys, but for most of them, Apple's products just work. It's that simple. They don't have to rip and encode and transfer and configure and read manuals and learn rocket science.

The iPhone undoubtedly has some areas where it falls short. I've used an iPhone, and I'd love to have one, but the game-breaker for me is that I'd rather shove bamboo shoots under my fingernails than to subscribe to AT&T's service, and although I probably could, I just don't have the motivation to hack it. (Better things to do with my time.) I really don't see the battery as an issue. Honestly, in about 15 years of having various cell phones, I've never once had to replace a battery. I always end up getting a new one before my battery stops holding a charge. Is it a consideration? Sure, I suppose, but stacked up against other things, it's not a major one.

Apple isn't perfect. I don't know of many people who think it is. And yes, they have a reputation for being excessively stylish. But that doesn't change that their products are very, very good. You want people not to get caught up in the glamour and not to overrate their products; I'd ask you to do the same and not underrate them, either.

Re:What is the big deal? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24447135)

Aren't all the ipods also shipped with non-replaceable batteries? How many tens of millions of those have been sold so far... I am a windows user first and foremost and as far from an apple fanboy that you can get. i had a samsung blackjack before i got the phone 3g. the operating system is more stable and i cant actually do work on the phone thanks to the larger screen and full page browser. The apps, while most are pretty worthless, make the device fun to enjoy outside of the basic phone features. No one is ever going to have the perfect phone, but comparing this to the other phones I have had, treo 600, 700, blackjack, etc it is definitely the best so far.

Re:What is the big deal? (5, Interesting)

gruntled (107194) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447285)

A non-replaceable battery on your phone is a critical issue for those of us who use our cellphones frequently for business reasons. With my current phone, if I find myself on calls for four hours during during the day, and I'm worried about the battery running out of juice later in the afternoon, I can just slap in the spare, charged battery I lug around in my bag. I guess there are external chargers you can carry around and plug your iPhone into if you needed to, but then your phone rings and you're trying to do stuff with your cell plugged in to an external battery pack and whatnot.

A non-replaceable battery is just a poor design choice for a phone. It makes it much less functional for a lot of people.

The real deal killer for me is ATT. Not with a gun to my head. I need my telephone to ring when somebody calls me, not go into voice mail. I do carry an iPod touch, which I love, but if ATT offered a data only plan for people who weren't disabled, I'd grab an iPhone and sign up for that plan right away...

Re:What is the big deal? (2)

Eustace Tilley (23991) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447203)

What PalmOS phone has visual voice mail?

Re:What is the big deal? (3, Funny)

janopdm (1292860) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447237)

Apple is mostly image and branding. There is nothing Apple does that is unique. It's how people FEEL about Apple. If you disagree, instead of modding me flaimbait, how about citing some *objective* examples of where I am mistaken? Maybe the problem is all mine... I am just not as enthused by shiny stuff as other people are.

I support your point, Zune is equally good than an iPod because they have the same functionallity. *grin*

Re:What is the big deal? (4, Insightful)

silverdr (779097) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447283)

There are other shortcomings of the iPhone. You could do much better than beating the dead horse of irreplaceable battery, which has been dead long before the first iPhone device hit the shelves. Hint 1: what is the percentage of the mobile phone users which use their phones longer than their batteries live? Hint 2: what is the percentage of those who do, which have a chance to actually buy a new (original) battery when they need it after a couple of years of phone usage? But of course - this is an old Jedi mind trick devised to fool people into thinking: OMG - I really can't replace the battery?? Uh-oh... it's so bad! - even if none of them have ever replaced any phone battery before, and even if in reality the other phones have practically the same "problem": the phones grow old much faster than the batteries these days and even if you want to buy a new battery after three-four years of phone usage , usually you find that the manufacturer does not supply them already for a year or two... Ever thought of it this way? Now - grab an iPhone, use it for a month (even if you really hate Apple) and come back with the list of real shortcomings - there is plenty of those but you won't find them if you keep babbling about the battery rather than taking the device for a spin.

Re:What is the big deal? (5, Insightful)

The Raven (30575) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447287)

It's not that Apple's products have a feature-list that is notably superior. It's that their ease-of-use is notably superior. It's hard to measure 'ease of use'. You can't really quantify it. It's not like megapixels, gigabytes, or battery life... it doesn't really go down to numbers.

But Apple products tend to have no jagged edges... there are no common use cases where they are frustrating or annoying to use. Any product will have frustrating uncommon use cases, you can't avoid that... the battery is a good example.

Do you think the iPod succeeded just because people like Apple? Bullshit. It succeeded because it was better than the other players, and remains superior, if only by a slim margin, even today. Most of the other mp3 players have jagged edges that make them uncomfortable to use... a button that accidentally pauses the music if you have the player in your pocket... a stupid menu that takes 4 clicks to play music, but 2 to change contrast... a short battery life... too heavy... bad software...

It's not that Apple products are so superior in every way. It's that they have no strong weaknesses other than big price tags. No jagged edges. Removing jagged edges, removing frustrating use cases, is where Apple's design teams excel. It's their killer feature.

I'm not an Apple fanboy... I use Linux and Windows. I'm a gamer. The only Apple product I use is my wife's castoff 10GB iPod that I use as a USB drive. I know Apple products have flaws... nothing is perfect. And their brand image is part of the appeal. But brand appeal can't carry a bad product... their products are good, AND they have brand appeal. You can't stick your head in the sand and pretend otherwise.

Re:What is the big deal? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24447295)

"how about citing some *objective* examples of where I am mistaken?"

I've owned Palm based devices for a while, and I can safely say 'objective' is in the eyes of the beholder. I remember trading in my ancient newton for a Treo...no longer needed to wear cargo pants to use a mobile device (I started off with a MP100..then 120 and finally a 2100 before realizing I wanted something smaller not bigger). The Treo was nice...but unlike the Newtons, I couldn't change batteries. Big deal. I kept a pocket charger in my bag for the few times I've ever needed to plug it in.

Since this time, I've had several smart phones. The iPhone was only because I needed something so that I could transport my music with me without having two devices in my pocket. No other reason...I held off for months picking one up even though I had Apple credit that I've had sitting around for a while (and the fact that I occasionally consult for the company).

Subjectively, it syncs better than any other PMP that I've used. This is a biggie for me.

Subjectively, I wish it had a keyboard, but at the same time kept the same sized screen, but without changing the size of the sucker. Oh wait, this is an either / or. I do wish I could sync up an external keyboard like I could my old Palm (though that was a full sized one...I'd rather have a BT capable thumbie thing). Again, it is subjective.

Batteries? I've only run out of juice once. It was after two days of not charging and using edge quite a bit. I've never carried a change of batteries...I've always found it easier to just charge (I bought two extra cables for $8 and have a car adapter with USB built-in). Besides, an external battery (that can actually charge the device and you can unplug it after it is done) is only like $30 from Belkin (I believe...or one of those companies).

I replaced the battery in my iPod and it was pretty cheap ($25) and actually pretty easy. I looked up the instructions on how to replace the one in the iPhone before buying it, and while a LITTLE more complicated, it can be done at home with the tools supplied in the battery kit.

Objectively, I have options. The lack of a replaceable battery does not make one a fanboy by ignoring this fact.

Beyond that, it is all subjective. Don't discard the subjective though...I'm a former computer science / programmer that went back to school several years ago to go for a therapy based psychology PhD (midlife crisis thing...looking for substance and not just another line of code). The geek side says that all the specs are the same. The human side tells me that this is NOTHING like the rest. Guess what? We should be looking for subjective and not objective (and that's why I'm not going to argue against your subjective arguments). I thought the interface on the old Palms were HORRIBLE. It felt like using the old Win 3.1 interface...but that they had actually thought it was innovative. The iPhone...fluid. Gesturing that was hinted at in older experimental GUIs and then abandoned were refined and made useful (yeah, back in the day, I had used a few geeky interfaces for Linux or Win that when I realize that I could have kept my fingers on the keyboard, it would have been faster than memorizing a dozen movements). But it just worked on the iPhone...and it isn't like they included EVERYTHING...just enough to do what you need.

And subjectively, it is the idea that Apple didn't try to put everything into this device that makes it useful. It is limited...and that is a good thing. This was the problem with my Newton that was infinitely more laptop-like than my palm...it tried to be a portable computer after a while.

The only thing I've concerned myself with lately is that I do engage in some 'extreme' sports...and while it is nice to be able to be up 10 stories and pull out the device to get another angle on the right route to climb, it is too fragile. Been thinking of picking up a second one that is rugged and that I can strap to my ass and not worry about banging it up. More or less, I want just a phone that is a phone and nothing more for instances like this.

But back to the point, just because someone sees something useful and speaks to them in a way that no other previous device could, doesn't make them a fanboy or otherwise. Apple did a great job on this and smoothed out a lot of rough edges. You or I might have been able to use some of the other devices, but the general public just wouldn't. I like mine and these days don't know how I lived without it. I actually went two years without a smartphone because my old one died and it was soooooo annoying that I really didn't want to get another one again (not palm...but I'd be beaten if I said it on this site...but actually it was far better than the palm offerings too).

Get what you want, and don't insult those that get what they want and is excited by it. You'll be a happier person this way.

Re:What is the big deal? (1)

lordmundi (637779) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447313)

I couldn't agree more. As someone who has never had this emotional attachment to apple (or any other computer religion), I see all the die hard apple fans try to defend their actions even when it is obvious that they employ the same greedy evil tactics that have plagued the industry and limited consumer choice.

2 huge market successes that would allow them to change the "Microsoft" dynamic and really change things... and 2 colossal failures. Failures in that... they are just as greedy and employ the same evil, closed tactics... arguably more closed than anything from Microsoft.

IPOD... use my software... use my service... and sue anyone who tries make their hardware compatible with my service. The iPhone... get in bed with the company practically invented screwing the consumer and make decisions based around profits. Don't let consumers even install apps that me and the devil on my shoulder don't approve.

Wow... it's almost entertaining to see these Mac die hards try to defend actions like these.

You either support consumer choice, or you don't. Period. If you like the apple religion, fine. But don't try to pretend it is something it isn't. Then you just look... silly.

I'll be the first one to say that they make great products. I think, if they really let people do what they want with the things that they rightly own, then there would be no stopping them. They really do make great stuff.

Obvious troll - name erroneous (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447333)

Just in case you were serious (ha) you don't need an extra battery, for long trips you can just use any number of external battery packs that are no larger than that second battery you claim to desire.

Re:What is the big deal? (0, Offtopic)

friendofthenite (1226310) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446873)

Whoever marked the parent 'redundant' should have there moderation rights removed. The comment addresses the question posed in the synopsis, and is entirely relevant, it just doesn't match the prevailing view of most Slashdotters. Another example of Slashdot moderators behaving as if they were voting for comments on Reddit.

people just need to know (4, Informative)

speedtux (1307149) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446897)

You don't like their terms, don't use their product.

Exactly. And in order to ensure that as many people as possible know about Apple's restrictions and the consequences of those restrictions before they get locked into a contract, we keep talking about it.

Incidentally, any of the S60 Nokias, many Palms and many Windows Mobile phones have no restrictions on tethering. They're also cheaper than the iPhone. And the Nokias use the same web browser as the iPhone.

Now, what exactly are you trying to say?

Re:people just need to know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446981)

And the Nokias use the same web browser as the iPhone.

I didn't know Apple released Safari for Nokias.

Re:people just need to know (5, Informative)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447063)

It's not the same browser, but it is the same rendering engine [nokia.com] .

Re:people just need to know (1)

dindi (78034) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447439)

Even if Nokia used Safari (which it does not), it would still suck to use it on a screen half the size, and operate it with buttons.

I own an e65 nokia (quite pricey and feature rich business edition Nokia) and I changed it to an iPhone, mainly because of the interface (buttons, small screen) and the browser (which SUCKS IMO),

I actually happen to use my phone to check pages, email over GPRS, and use the phone as a browser many times over WIFI while listening to music.... oh well, now listening music on the E65 is just an other thing that sucks terribly.....

so "people just need to know " ... check your facts before lecturing people about what THEIR phone has, otherwise it is clear that you do not know or own any of the devices you mentioned.....

Re:What is the big deal? (4, Insightful)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446905)

You don't like their terms, don't use their product.

'Their' product? No, the phone belongs to the person who paid several hundred dollars for it. That's this concept we have called a 'sale'.

Re:What is the big deal? (2, Informative)

darjen (879890) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446935)

Sure, you own the phone, but the app store belongs to apple. Apple is free to restrict whatever applications they want. You are also free to point out that you don't like their policy and try to convince people not to buy it.

Re:What is the big deal? (1)

phoomp (1098855) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447159)

Which is *exactly* why Apple decided to make the App Store the only way to get apps onto the iPhone. Fortunately, jailbreak offers us some more options for apps and an easier way of installing them.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446807)

They are trying to prove that there is no free lunch. Most 3G laptop plans cost $60 at least for reasonable data usage -- how can you expect to get it for free ?

AC.

Re:Anonymous Coward (2, Insightful)

phoomp (1098855) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447167)

Apparently, the are many 3G providers outside the US which have no problems with tethering your laptop to your phone. This is what people have a problem with: a few backward providers dictating how the rest of the world can use *their* iPhones.

Re:Anonymous Coward (1)

residieu (577863) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447253)

It's not for free. You're paying for 3G service when you pay your iPhone bill.

Hmm... (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446813)

Maybe people realised a $10 _phone_ can provide the same functionality.

It reappeared last night! (1)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446815)

I downloaded it and it works great! I checked this morning and it is gone again. I'm only going to use it to for light browsing when Wifi isn't available. I think a lot of iphone users use Wifi quite frequently, I know I do, so having the ability to tether makes the data plan worth the money. I suspect the 30 dollar data plan is underused my many, so this app shouldn't put too much stress on ATT's network.

battery drain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446819)

Seems like using the wifi plus 3g would have a huge impact on battery life. Ill go out an buy an iPhone the second someone can uncripple the bluetooth and allow tethering through there.

ATT protecting limited 3G bandwidth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446827)

Its that simple

Re:ATT protecting limited 3G bandwidth (2, Interesting)

bleh-of-the-huns (17740) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446889)

No, its not, its ATT protecting its revenue stream b y charging an insane (I believe it is $80 per month for the laptop connect plans), at which point ATT does not care whether or not you use a pc express card or a phone or usb dongle to use your laptop.

WTF? (0, Troll)

Johnno74 (252399) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446833)

I just found out that it isn't possible to use the iphone as a 3g modem on a laptop on Friday. I was quite shocked, but knowing apple, I shouldn't have been.

Apple certainly are turning the mobile phone marketplace on its head. They are pulling stunts that no other manufacture would DREAM of.

Instead of making a device that is as useful as possible, they want to lock down the possibly uses of their product.

Steve jobs is a control freak of a whole new magnitude and the chances of me ever being tempted to buy an iphone just dropped from slim to none.

Re:WTF? (5, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446917)

I was quite shocked, but knowing apple, I shouldn't have been.

I was shocked to learn this about the original iPhone, since it was only since I switched to OS X that I started regularly using a phone for Internet access via Bluetooth. Apple made it really easy to set it up (there's a little Bluetooth wizard that does everything for you), and by not supporting this on the iPhone they have made sure that pretty much any other make of phone integrates better with their OS than their own phone.

My old (cheap) Nokia phone can sync calendars with iCal, sync contacts with Address Book, and be used as a modem, all via Bluetooth. The iPhone needs a cable to do any of these (and can't do the third one even with a cable).

Re:WTF? (2, Insightful)

Trashman (3003) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446933)

I'm more inlined to believe that this is likely at&t's doing not Apple. at&t charges extra for tethering on other phones and since the iPhone has a special plan for data, they don't want iPhone users going nuts on the 3G network and affecting the percieved speed of the network.

At&t (as well as the other 3 major US Cariers) have been known to intentionally cripple phones so that users can't take full advantage of the features.

Re:WTF? (1)

phoomp (1098855) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447217)

AT&T can't decided what is available in the App Store. At best, they can only make requests. Stop making excuses for Apple. Even if they have some sort of agreement with AT&T that prevents AT&T customers from tethering, the iTunes store is internationalized to the point that they could easily offer the tethering app to less restrictive countries and not to AT&T customers.

Re:WTF? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446949)

Instead of making a device that is as useful as possible, they want to lock down the possibly uses of their product.

My one button Apple mouse disagrees.

MOD PARENT UP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24447097)

"Apple certainly are turning the mobile phone marketplace on its head. They are pulling stunts that no other manufacture would DREAM of."

MOD PARENT UP!

Taco Is An Idiot (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446835)

And those that purchase iPhones to "jailbreak" them are just as dumb. If you hate Apple's stifling environment so much, don't buy an iPhone.

Why go thru the hassle of hacking something that you know is against their rules and agreements? You will get shut down in a minute anyways.

so are you (1)

speedtux (1307149) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446911)

And those that purchase iPhones to "jailbreak" them are just as dumb. If you hate Apple's stifling environment so much, don't buy an iPhone. ... and we are going to continue to talk about what Apple's restrictions mean and that many other phones have more capabilities than the iPhone at a lower price.

If Apple were to set the standard for smartphones, with their restrictions, DRM, and stripped down functionality, smartphone users would be in trouble. Let's stop Apple now while there is still time.

Re:Taco Is An Idiot (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446919)

If you hate Apple's stifling environment so much, don't buy an iPhone.

Fine, show me something else that's as useful as a jailbreak'd iPhone.

I'm not going to get one, but then, I have principles -- I'd really rather not support Apple in their effort to become worse than Microsoft. But from a purely practical standpoint...

You will get shut down in a minute anyways.

And I'd be back up in less than a minute. Do you really think Apple is faster than the "hackers"?

Re:Taco Is An Idiot (1)

txoof (553270) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447197)

And those that purchase iPhones to "jailbreak" them are just as dumb. If you hate Apple's stifling environment so much, don't buy an iPhone.

Why go thru the hassle of hacking something that you know is against their rules and agreements?

Why buy some great piece of hardware that has awesomeness written all over it just because the manufacturer is a little silly? Why wouldn't you? There's so much potential for hacking in that little box it's insane. The iPhone isn't the only platform that screams, "awesome hacking here", there are many others including FIC's smart phone, nokia, palm and all the others.

Sure, Apple is restrictive, but who cares. If there's a way to hack around the restrictions for the joy of hacking, why wouldn't you? Of course this assumes you're not just Joe Consumer who expects a fully open mobile computing platform. If you are, forget the iphone. If you want to hack on a fun little mobile computing device, the iphone is great.

Let's not get carried away and use absolutes on the inter-tubes. Not everyone who buys an iphone and jail-breaks it is an idiot. Those who expect a jail-broken iphone to have the same functionality as a nokia, or those who complain because they didn't read their contract are probably lacking in the common sense department, however.

Re:Taco Is An Idiot (1)

phoomp (1098855) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447251)

Dude, it takes the hackers less than a week to jailbreak the iPhone's firmware ... in some cases it's been jailbroken *before* Apple released it. It takes Apple *months* to release a new firmware (and, of course, the user has the option to not install the new firmware and wait until it's been jailbroken).

Pretty Clear (0, Flamebait)

tonyray (215820) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446843)

The AT&T contract allows the owner of the iPhone to use the Net. Sharing that connection with unrelated people would constitute theft of service (just like sharing your TV cable, for example). Creating a program whose purpose is to fascilitate theft of service is a legally bad position to be in.

Re:Pretty Clear (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446875)

You stupid piece of cock sucking idiot shit, it's not sharing the connection with other people, it's using the connection from your own fucking hardware.

Now go back to sucking AT&Ts dick, asshole.

Re:Pretty Clear (2, Insightful)

lolocaust (871165) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446879)

What are you talking about? It's not "theft of service" if it's your own laptop. You'd have to be pretty close to someone's iPhone to "steal" bandwidth, thanks to the relatively short range of bluetooth. And just because a knife can facilitate murder doesn't mean it was created for that purpose.

Re:Pretty Clear (1)

LordHatrus (763508) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447457)

I'm not sure how this app works, but other people (jail breakers) don't do this over bluetooth, they establish an ad-hoc wifi connection with their laptop and start up a proxy on their phone. All in all, I'm never one to side with The Man, but I can see why AT&T wouldn't want people to have unlimited download plans with a laptop on 3G. There isn't a whole lot of bandwidth to go around, and the only reason they could possibly offer unlimited data plans for the iphone is that they can reasonably bet on a relatively low traffic flow, as compared to some git on his laptop with torrents running over 3G. (Which, I'll note, is something AT&T _will_ boot you off their network for)

Re:Pretty Clear (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447019)

Sharing that connection with unrelated people would constitute theft of service (just like sharing your TV cable, for example).

Is it illegal for me to share my Comcast internet connection with my room mate with a wireless router?

So what is the difference between me sharing with them or my father next door?

Either way, the software wasn't intended to share out internet connectivity with strangers. It was designed to give the owner the ability to give their own laptop an internet connection.

It's back, you weenies (5, Informative)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446851)

The queue is really lagging. The app is back up and still for sale. Come on, Slashdot mods, stay current!

Re:It's back, you weenies (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446893)

Actually, it's been removed again...

Re:It's back, you weenies (4, Informative)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446903)

Blah, I stand corrected. It was put back up but now it's down AGAIN. WTF?

Re:It's back, you weenies (5, Funny)

Kohath (38547) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446915)

The story about it being back will show up tomorrow or the next day.

Slashdot is more of a weekly news/opinion magazine than a timely source of information. They should probably change it to "old news for slow nerds and propaganda about what our editors hate".

Re:It's back, you weenies (2, Interesting)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446931)

It is no longer available as of this morning. I just checked and it isn't there. So something be going on. It has been available on and off since yesterday. Maybe Apple and ATT are playing a game of tug-of-war...

Old News (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446863)

This is SUPER old news (as far as the Internet goes) because as of mid-day yesterday it was put back up on the app store.

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/08/01/what-happened-to-netshare/

iPhone nimrods make me laugh (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446895)

You iPhone nimrods make me laugh. I can't believe how stupid you are.

What about the iPod Touch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446899)

I understand (as far as it's understandable) the necessity of locking down the iPhone to prevent users from having too much fun with the closed cell nets, but what about iPod Touch users? I don't understand why the iTouch should be locked down to the extent that it is, given that it's only for use on *my* network! The appealing part of the iTouch is the fact it's a miniature OS X box, but the unappealing part is that I can't even use it!

I'd really like to SSH into my other machines. To do so, I have to install crappy, unsupported, and security-compromising hacks from untrusted third parties (not that the first party is trusted, ahem). Why is it so hard to access the itouch filesystem, to install open software, or to even be able to compile basic gnu utilities! That's not much to ask on a platform that can easily support these functions, which would definitely be a selling point.

For those that can't understand the summary... (1)

OneMadMuppet (1329291) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446941)

"Share your iPhone's EDGE or 3G Internet connection with your computer using NetShare. NetShare provides a SOCKS5 proxy for your computer to connect to."

Why did I buy this iPhone!?!?! (0, Troll)

maynard (3337) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446943)

Yes, it has a great interface. Safari is the best web browser I've seen on a phone. And the email client is excellent as well. Here in Boston, the 3G coverage is good. I like all of this.

But I can't sync my calendar to my employer's Oracle Calendaring system. And Apple appears to be holding up any OTA sync application that might circumvent syncing through their "MobileMe" so-called service. I also can't sync my contacts to a central server or OTA without MobileMe. Here's my problem:

Apple has no right to view my contacts or schedule. By forcing a sync through their servers, they become a single-point-of-failure for my workflow, and further, they gain potential access to confidential business information. There is no way I'll go for that.

Apple: get a grip. You can have my money, but you cannot have my private and personal information at your whim. Also, I need utility from my phone; I didn't buy the damn thing to show it off.

Finally, I've had to jailbrake the phone for MobileTerminal and ssh, which is also critical to my job.

I'm pretty close to returning the iPhone for a Blackberry. Shame I've been tied to AT&T for the next two years though.

Why do my clients? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446989)

Several of my clients are now getting the iPhone 3G. Some are lawyers and figure MobileMe is the solution to their email connectivity.

I of course think of all the information that Apple has access to. Contacts, email and Calendar items on top of music preferences, purchase history AND credit cards!

Apple products are not computers. The iPhone is a microwave. Magic happens when you push buttons but it's very complex, happens behind the scenes and voids your warranty if you tweak it.

I have a 1st gen iPhone and hacked it. I often will configure a vanilla iPhone and suffer through the awful non-customized icons, lack of productivity apps that I have installed.

Eloi. Apple will usher the world of the Eloi.

The privacy concern is very serious (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447451)

It doesn't matter what phone device we're discussing. Those clients of yours who are attorneys have an ethical obligation to protect the privacy of their clients. A distributed and privately controlled solution to internally shared calendaring and business contacts is very much needed.

Re:Why did I buy this iPhone!?!?! (5, Insightful)

tgd (2822) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447033)

No offense, although I'll probably be moderated as a troll for this, but you're just an idiot, plain and simple.

It doesn't take a triple digit IQ to know the phone didn't have SSH and a terminal, so either you're trolling or really are an idiot if you bought the phone knowing that only to turn around and complain about it.

Blackberry also passes all e-mail and everything else through their servers. Again, troll or idiot.

And there was no secrets about Mobile Me.

So which is it? Troll or idiot?

Re:Why did I buy this iPhone!?!?! (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447123)

"Idiot", by your perspective.

Re:Why did I buy this iPhone!?!?! (1)

Kawahee (901497) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447145)

It doesn't take a triple digit IQ to know the phone didn't have SSH and a terminal, so either you're trolling or really are an idiot if you bought the phone knowing that only to turn around and complain about it.

Hell, the thing doesn't even have MMS. To be honest he probably bought it for it's internet connectivity, but then again every other 3G device is capable of this as well.

Good thing AT&T doesn't offer the device on anything longer than a 24-month contract, otherwise the grandparent might be crying foul over how he didn't realise just how long three years was.

Re:Why did I buy this iPhone!?!?! (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447311)

To be honest he probably bought it for it's internet connectivity, but then again every other 3G device is capable of this as well.

That's exactly why I bought it. Because I use a Mac at work and wanted a seamless solution for connectivity while away from the desk. I bought the iPhone to replace an old LG Verizon phone two years past its end of contract date.

I do like the iPhone. But I very much dislike Apple's behavior here. I want both functionality and my privacy rights. I don't give a shit which company we're talking about, that's my bottom line. Which is why I jailbroke the phone. For perfectly legitimate purposes, I might add.

Re:Why did I buy this iPhone!?!?! (1)

Kawahee (901497) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447461)

So you bought it for it's internet connectivity, even though every other 3G device is capable of this as well?

Re:Why did I buy this iPhone!?!?! (-1, Troll)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447179)

So which is it? Troll or idiot?

Oh, look, a submissive Apple fanboy, trying to pick a fight. It's cute when they try to be the man.

Re:Why did I buy this iPhone!?!?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24447261)

Both

Re:Why did I buy this iPhone!?!?! (1)

guice (907163) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447323)

It doesn't take a triple digit IQ to know the phone didn't have SSH and a terminal, so either you're trolling or really are an idiot if you bought the phone knowing that only to turn around and complain about it.

*cough*He said:

Finally, I've had to jailbrake the phone for MobileTerminal and ssh, which is also critical to my job.

If you jailbreak your phone, you can indeed install ssh on the iPhone.

Re:Why did I buy this iPhone!?!?! (4, Insightful)

Reverend528 (585549) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447093)

Also, I need utility from my phone;

Perhaps you should have researched the phone before buying it. Hell, you could've read one of the dozens of articles here on slashdot with the words "iPhone" and "lock" in the title.

I didn't buy the damn thing to show it off.

So, you bought an iPhone hoping to use dozens of features that it doesn't support, but don't want it for the one thing it is good at?

Uh... Tether a lappy to the net, or vice versa? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24446961)

The two are semantically very different... So what did the app do? Did it connect the lappy to the net via the iPhone, or did it connect the iPhone to the net via the lappy?

$10 ? (1)

smoker2 (750216) | more than 6 years ago | (#24446977)

that seems fine, but it only pays for the software. Who pays for the extra traffic over the network ?
My HTC handheld has Internet connection sharing (WM5) supplied for free in the base install. But I have to pay to use that functionality - not MS, but my ISP, which is T-Mobile.
I get 3 GB transfer per month for £10. I could get 1GB transfer free with my line rental, but understandably, they don't like you using that to feed a laptop. Not many people download huge files on a handheld, but a laptop is a different matter. HSDPA is nice to have available to a laptop, but FTP is blocked which is a bugger.

Re:$10 ? (0)

jsebrech (525647) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447051)

that seems fine, but it only pays for the software. Who pays for the extra traffic over the network ?

If they don't want you to use a service, they shouldn't offer it.

AT&T has no right whatsoever to restrict what people do as long as they stay in the confines of their contracts. If AT&T doesn't want people to use unlimited bandwidth, they shouldn't say their data plan is unlimited.

I thought we'd seen this through already with the cable and DSL companies? If you can't offer unlimited bandwidth at a consumer price point (and in all honesty, nobody can deliver that), then don't pretend to sell it. It's false advertising, and it's illegal for a reason.

Re:$10 ? (1)

S-100 (1295224) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447463)

What extra traffic? Your typical user will be accessing email or web pages over the tethered connection. Without the tether, he'd probably be doing close to the same thing, only on the iPhone.

Not everyone prefers to use the iPhone's tiny screen for web browsing and its relatively lame email client when their laptop is directly at hand.

Nothing to see here... (5, Insightful)

itsdapead (734413) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447023)

What exactly are AT&T/Apple trying to accomplish here?

Quite simple:

1. AT&T (like other mobile operators) would like you to pay extra for the privilege of using your phone as a modem. This has nothing to do with Apple or iPhone: e.g. the same thing applies to my Windows Mobile smartphone on T-Mobile (UK).

2. Apple needs to play nicely with AT&T and its other mobile operators and can't be seen encouraging people to breach the terms & conditions.

3. Presumably, someone at Apple OK'd this software without checking the AT&T T&Cs. Someone else spotted the error and took it down.

Nothing to see, move along.

Whats funnier... (1, Funny)

ArIck (203) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447041)

... is the fact that Apple has been switching sides on this issue:

First they allow, two hours later its gone, then after a day they allow once again and eventually bham its gone. Cant they make up their mind whether to allow the App or not.

C'mon Apple think about all the fanboys who think you are perfect*.

* Before you mod me as troll do note I am typing this on my Macbook Pro and was about to get this app after work when it jsut disappeared again.

Re:Whats funnier... (1)

TehZorroness (1104427) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447227)

The funny thing is, there was not a hint of troll in that post. This is just a dangerous topic of discussion.

Re:Whats funnier... (1)

ArIck (203) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447361)

Lets see how it turns out then!

Also what's right with DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24447071)

They're also demonstrating what's right with DRM. If Apple didn't have this control, they wouldn't have an operating system, a business which funded development of the phone, or a network to run it on.

Short of nationalizing telecom infrastructure, audio and video formats, CMOS, and anything else that more than one entity might want to touch, we need ways to satisfy all parties. DRM - in essence, feature-based licensing - is one of those ways.

So, yeah, it's easy to shout "DRM sux" from a bubble. It's harder to find an alternative that still brings all parties to the table.

Every other phone... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24447221)

..WAIT, you can't use tethering on default on iPhone? I thought that was like one of the DEFAULT features on every other fucking phone.

I guess iPhone isn't like every other phone, I'll keep using my Nokia E90, and can recommend it to everyone.

What is wrong with tethering? (1)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447241)

Why is it against the terms of use of the iPhone?

Re:What is wrong with tethering? (1)

victim (30647) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447389)

Desktop/laptop applications are great wallowing bandwith users compared to phone applications. You don't realize it because you have plenty of bandwidth.

Cellular devices are sharing extremely limited bandwidth in each cell among all users. All the crazy background traffic from tethered computers drags down everyone's performance.

To belabor the point... my laptop regularly downloads dozens of RSS feeds without my input, when email arrives with stupid 19M powerpoint attachment, my email client downloads it so it will be there if I try to open it, and it could at any moment download a 150M software upgrade from my OS vendor.... My iPhone which I use a lot, has received 478M of data, in 12 months. (or maybe 9, I think I may have reset it in September) It wouldn't surprise me if my laptop consumes 100 times the bandwidth of my iPhone.

So whining! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24447291)

Jesus Christ - so much fuss over nothing.

Use wireless morons! Why on earth would you want to use a cell phone as a modem? Where do you think you are? You have an iPhone in your hand which for all intents and purposes is a computer and you want to use it as a modem for another computer?

Go away!

AT&T had to ban this (5, Funny)

burris (122191) | more than 6 years ago | (#24447319)

AT&T had to ban this to protect the network, the same reason Comcast has to ban BitTorrent. I'm sure all of you understand. It is very important to protect the network from new, predatory applications or we will never have innovation. Just look at how the plain old phone network collapsed and became totally useless after the courts forced the telcos to allow their customers to plug in unapproved phones. Overnight people were plugging in 3, 4, 5 phones, vastly exceeding the phone rental limits. Some were even using newfangled wireless phones that let them consume Precious Network Resources from places the Telcos never planned on, such as the yard or bathroom.

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