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NVidia Reportedly Will Exit Chipset Business

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the and-then-there-were-two dept.

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xav_jones sends along a story from X bit Laboratories claiming that NVidia is ready to quit making chipsets. That story links one from DigiTimes, which reports that NVidia has denied that it's getting out of the business. "[NVidia] is about to quit chipset business, which automatically means that the company's much-hyped multi-GPU SLI technology is either in danger or re-considered. Moreover, several mainboard makers have already ceased making high-end NVidia-based mainboards. [NVidia has]... reportedly decided to quit core-logic business to concentrate on development of graphics processors and following failure to secure license to build and sell chipsets compatible with Intel Corp.'s microprocessors that use Quick-Path Interconnect bus."

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Damn (5, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450557)

Nvidia released nice overclocking tools, had good BIOS options, nice features (such a firewall built directly into the NIC), etc.

I always buy NForce chipsets.

AMD / ATI chipsets are good on board with ram (1, Informative)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450613)

AMD / ATI chipset are good on board with side port ram, nice overclocking tools, hyper flash, pci-2.0. Cross fire works on any chip set as well.

Re:AMD / ATI chipsets are good on board with ram (1, Interesting)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450687)

Yeah I wouldn't buy a computer in this day and age without side port ram or hyper flash by AMD/ATI teams, as they have proven their expertise in these fields for years.

I benchmark my computers (-1, Troll)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451067)

And don't really give a flying fuck how or by whom exactly they are put together.

 

Re:Damn (3, Interesting)

WaroDaBeast (1211048) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450843)

nice features (such a firewall built directly into the NIC)

Actually, NAM can be very buggy. My system had never been really stable when it was installed; for example, I wasn't able to install a game without getting a BSOD. Just playing music in Winamp with nothing else open would crash my computer at times as well.

Re:Damn (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24450961)

indeed. on my system it leaked an enormous amount of memory and was dropping packets. It also took quite some effort to remove the driver.

Re:Damn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24452081)

Agreed. I made the mistake of installing this POS "feature" and regretted it almost immediately.

It appears this story is bogus (5, Interesting)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450855)

Link [google.com]

Nvidia (NSDQ:NVDA) has asked Digitimes for "a full retraction" of a story appearing Friday in the tech journal that claims the Santa Clara, Calif.-based graphics chip maker "has decided to throw in the towel and quit the chipset business."

Link [google.com]

Nvidia said Friday that there's no truth to a Taiwan report that claims it's exiting the chipset business.

That report was published by Digitimes, a normally fairly reputable IT publication that claimed that Nvidia met with its main motherboard clients this week and asked for support for its next-generation chipsets.

The motherboard makers' response? Silence.

Although such a withdrawal would be highly unlikely, ExtremeTech asked Nvidia for comment. "The story on Digitimes is completely groundless. We have no intention of getting out of the chipset business," said Bryan Del Rizzo, a company representative, in a statement. (The same statement was later resent as an official company statement.)

Re:It appears this story is bogus (4, Insightful)

eonlabs (921625) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450893)

Where the hell did this rumor even start?

It's like IBM stopping all work with Java or Starbucks announcing it will no longer sell baked goods at its stores.
Who even comes up with this stuff? On your mark, get set, castrate the company of your choice...

Re:It appears this story is bogus (4, Insightful)

lewp (95638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450981)

Well, to be fair, this is about core logic chipsets (nForce). They aren't exactly core to NVIDIA's business. Besides, given how poorly AMD is fairing in the enthusiast market, the merger of ATI/AMD making NVIDIA an AMD competitor (nForce originally made its splash, and had its "glory days", for AMD), and the desire of Intel to push its own chipsets (which have also been quite good recently, lessening the room for an "enthusiast" class third party) I wouldn't be incredibly surprised to see them make this move -- even though they apparently aren't doing it now.

According to Ars [arstechnica.com], the original source was one of the motherboard manufacturers. Aside from NVIDIA themselves, they'd be most likely to know. But again, according to NVIDIA, this is a load of crap.

Re:It appears this story is bogus (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24450995)

Apple announced today that it will stop selling actual products and will only sell hype, in pretty packages of course.

And so, what ?.... (1)

DrYak (748999) | more than 5 years ago | (#24452039)

Apple announced today that it {...} will only sell hype, in pretty packages of course.

I fail to see how this is any different from the current situation. :-P

Re:It appears this story is bogus (5, Funny)

j01123 (1147715) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451027)

It's like IBM stopping all work with Java or Starbucks announcing it will no longer sell baked goods at its stores

or, Slashdot will only post stories after they've been fact-checked.

Re:It appears this story is bogus (2, Funny)

rarel (697734) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451805)

If you think about it, Starbucks abandoning Java would make for interesting news as well...

If only (1)

AmishElvis (1101979) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451109)

it was true. Then nVidia could focus on debugging their Vista video card drivers

Re:If only (4, Interesting)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451185)

I'd be happy if they'd just do a little debugging on their Linux drivers. After I bought an nVidia card for my Fedora 9 box, installed the drivers and got Compiz running, my system started hanging, sometimes several times a day. It was always when I was trying to come back from xscreensaver. After considerable googlemancy, I found an nVidea forum (Sorry, I don't have a link for it.) that had several hundred threads about screensaver issues with Linux. Apparently, there's a problem coming back from screensavers that do "line drawing." I don't know how true it is, or if it's been fixed, but I do know that ever since I set it to one screensaver only instead of random there hasn't been a problem. There's been an update, and I really should try again, but I haven't had the time for it as yet.

Re:If only (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24451339)

After I bought an nVidia card for my Fedora 9 box, installed the drivers and got Compiz running, my system started hanging, sometimes several times a day.

Linux hanging? IMPOSSIBLE! You sir are wrong.

Re:If only (1)

Obsidian Butterfly (1133957) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451543)

Then nVidia could focus on debugging their Vista video card drivers

Real World: Nvidia lays off the people who debug Vista video card drivers, and give themselves a nice fat bonus.

But it sounds realistic (1)

DrYak (748999) | more than 5 years ago | (#24452031)

But given the mutual problems with licensing (NVidia refusing to license SLI technology to Intel, and Intel paying back by making it difficult to license Quickpath for nVidia), this could sound realistic. They could actually stop producing Intel chipset for Nehalem.

It' prank, but at least it's one which sound realistic.

It's actually possible that they'll drop the towel for Nehalems, and shift to only support AMDs and lower end Intel Cores still running with an actual north bridge, and require that hardcore gamer wanting to have both SLI and Nehalem on the smae high end PC to buy expensive motherboard that feature both intel chipset and an additional nVidia to enable SLI like on current SKull Trail mother board (basically just a glorified PCIe 2.0 bridge with additional licensing icing on the cake).

Re:But it sounds realistic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24452275)

That might have some merit to it. There's a big difference between dropping a chipset and dropping chipsets.

Re:It appears this story is bogus (1)

mentaldrano (674767) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450973)

It's a shame that the EEtimes reports such unreliable crap sometimes. When they run articles on solar cells, new products, and tech business they're usually pretty good. Whenever I see an EEtimes article about superconducting circuits, MRAM, FE-RAM, or any tech coming out of research labs, their articles SUCK. Classic case of 'the new journalism' - unless there's a press release they can quote from, they're lost.

Re:It appears this story is bogus (5, Interesting)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451115)

Let us look at the facts. 1. The inquirer,in a story I submitted over a day ago and is still rotting in pending BTW,reported that a several vendors are dropping the 790i chipset due to data corruption issues. 2. Nvidia has had a bad run of chips lately,and since the 790i boards are being pulled,it looks like that bad run is across the board(no pun intended). 3. Nvidia makes a BUTTLOAD of money from SLI,as there are way too many gamers that like having dual Nvidia monsters if nothing else for the bragging rights. 4. And finally the ONLY way you can go Nvidia SLI is with an Nforce board,which even with the economic downturn is still a VERY popular seller,at least it was last time i looked at the sales numbers.

So I think it is quite safe to say that the article is BS. BTW,if you want to read the inquirer story about the canceled 790i boards and which manufacturers are involved,it is right here [theinquirer.net]. But considering they had to set aside 150 million for repairs and replacements of mobile GPUs,to kill the Nforce which is the only way they can sell two high priced boards to the same customer frankly would be suicide. The last thing they would do is a move like this that would make them look weak after the mobile GPU fiasco. So even if they have come up with some way to add SLI to a single board by some kind of drop in chip most likely they'd wait until the whole mobile GPU mess has blown away. But as always this is my 02c,YMMV

Re:It appears this story is bogus (5, Informative)

Kamokazi (1080091) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451249)

Look at the editor who posted it...you suprised? Time to bust out the kdawsonfud tag.

Re:It appears this story is bogus (1)

Mephiska (49638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451447)

This story was debunked almost as soon as it came out. Why is it appearing on Slashdot a day after it broke? Is nobody paying attention?

Re:It appears this story is bogus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24451505)

It is. [dailytech.com] (1 Aug 2008)

However, earlier today, reports began to spring up stating that NVIDIA would drop its 790i motherboards and leave the chipset business altogether. The reports cited "sources" close to top Taiwanese motherboard manufacturers.

NVIDIA recently contacted DailyTech to squash the information regarding it leaving the chipset business. NVIDIA's Brian Burke made it clear that NVIDIA's chipset business is stronger than ever and touched on these three points:

        * Mercury Research has reported that the NVIDIA market share of AMD platforms in Q2 08 was 60%. We have been steady in this range for over two years.
        * SLI is still the preferred multi-GPU platform thanks to its stellar scaling, game compatibility and driver stability.
        * nForce 790i SLI is the recommended choice by editors worldwide due to its compelling combination of memory performance, overclocking, and support for SLI.

Burke went on to say that "we're looking forward to bringing new and very exciting MCP products to the market for both AMD and Intel platforms."

Isn't there some means of validating this shit before it lands on /. ??

Re:Damn (1)

makomk (752139) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450875)

Did NVidia ever manage to get the hardware firewalling support to actually work properly? Last I heard, they ended up having to disable it because it was causing corruption of network data...

Re:Damn (2, Interesting)

mariushm (1022195) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451263)

I don't have much experience with ATI chipsets but what I can say about nvidia's chipsets is that they're usually HOT and consume a lot of power.

I have an Asus mainboard with an Nforce2 chipset, it was great, with a great onboard soundcard (Soundstorm). Now, nVidia won't use a good soundcard anymore, to make their chips cheaper.

Now, I have an Asus mainboard with the Nforce4-SLI chipset... you can make eggs on it, that's how hot it is (see the P5ND2-SLI motherboard on google if you want). It's good, it's stable otherwise but nothing special.

Speaking about video cards...

Two or three years ago I had a Gigabyte Radeon 9200.
Gave it to my brother and bought an Asus nVidia 6600.
Now, I bought a Sapphire Radeon 4850.

What I can say is... maybe you don't realize it, because you have a LCD monitor, but me, with a 21" CRT monitor running at 1280x960, 100Hz... can definitely notice the improved 2D quality of the Radeon cards, compared to nVidia.
On nVidia cards the image is very slightly blurry.

ATI video cards are great, so are nVIDIA. On 2D ATI wins for sure, on 3D I don't know what to say.

The only thing I notice on 3D is that when a very new game is just released, some games have issues with ATI cards, which are (even when I had the Radeon 9200 was the same) solved in a week or so with the next video driver. Other than this minor inconvenience, I never really had problems with either ATI or nVidia.

Re:Damn (2, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451337)

I have an NForce5-SLI chipset with just air cooling. The whole system runs pretty cool, even with a 10% overclock.

Re:Damn (2, Funny)

Hektor_Troy (262592) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451595)

you can make eggs on it, that's how hot it is

Well, I think you can cook eggs at around 60 deg C (140 deg F), which isn't that much, considering that you're trying to convey the image of a hotplate (mine can hit around 200 deg C).

Re:Damn (0, Troll)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451755)

Nvidia doesnt support their Nforce chipsets. Folks like me, who are running Vista on their Nforce 3 boards learned that the hard way.

I wont miss Nvidia's chipsets, because i never thought they were serious about it in the first place.

Re:Damn (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#24452315)

Old motherboard and new OS.

Not necessarily a situation where you can expect great support.

People always blast "driver" issues on Linux, which I find funny. Manufacturers rarely update old drivers on Windows, and sometimes finding old drivers is impossible.

You'll find that Nvidia wrote first-party Linux drivers for their motherboards which is nice. However, many people have complained that Vista is difficult to write good drivers for.

Their focus is likely newer chipsets, not getting old ones to work well with Vista.

Re:Damn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24452509)

I'm still a little upset that my laptop has the broken nForce 430 [wikipedia.org]. The built in firewall on it is useless. I haven't had any issues with audio, but I don't really play games on it.

Re:Damn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24452525)

Nvidia is gearing up to develop a hardware-based ray-tracing solution. I'll be happy to see the day arrive when they're ready to roll out.

In other news, (2, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450569)

Several senior personnel who worked for the foundries which provided the faulty chips have been found dead in their homes. Though the deaths appear to be suicides, foul play has not been ruled out.

Does this mean that (0, Offtopic)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450681)

So ... nVidia doesn't need to fix the thousands (possibly many many more) laptops that they've supplied bad parts for?

Or are they still in the graphics game, but not in the chipset game (can you do that?)

Open SLI (0, Flamebait)

MrStabby (1337695) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450601)

Hopefully this will mean that NVidia will open SLI support to the superior intel chipsets.

Re:Open SLI (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450647)

AMD / ATI chipsets are better and intel on board video is dead last.

Re:Open SLI (3, Interesting)

MrStabby (1337695) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450725)

I'm referring to the motherboard performance, everybody knows that any on board graphics chipset is horrible, especially intel. But the X48 chipset has dual PCIx16 v2.0 and supports ATI Crossfire however nVidia's drivers refuse to allow X48 motherboards to support SLI with nVidia graphics cards, and many people have speculated that it could work if nVidia cooperated with Intel on the matter.

Re:Open SLI (2, Informative)

TomHandy (578620) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450913)

NVidia licensed SLI for the Intel X58 chipset (which will support both crossfire and sli). Pretty sure Skulltrail supports SLI as well.

Re:Open SLI (2, Insightful)

Kamokazi (1080091) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451091)

They already have-X58 and Skulltrail (Extreme Gaming platform or whatever BS they decided to call it). And the Intel chipsets are just as good as the nVidia ones. Sometimes the nVidia's perform better, and sometimes the Intel's perform better. And that can of course vary by application too. Claiming the Intel chipsets are superior is just plain ignorant.

Nvidia Says: Bullshit; Chipset Business Strong (5, Informative)

AbsoluteXyro (1048620) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450623)

Is the correct title to this story. See here [extremetech.com]. "The story on Digitimes is completely groundless. We have no intention of getting out of the chipset business."

"Mercury Research has reported that the Nvidia market share of AMD platforms in Q2'08 was 60%," Del Rizzo said. "We have been steady in this range for over two years."

"We're looking forward to bring new and very exciting MCP products to the market for both AMD and Intel platforms," Del Rizzo added.

Re:Nvidia Says: Bullshit; Chipset Business Strong (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24450695)

Yeah, I don't see why they would. nForce chipsets are even shipped in servers these days: you won't even find Via there, so they're clearly doing something right.

The only thing that grates on me with nVidia chipsets is that for some reason they felt compelled to design yet another Ethernet controller of their very own, instead of just cloning an existing design. Ethernet controllers seem to be proliferating while every other technology is converging on a handful of core chips. I've never understood why.

What does Netcraft have to say? (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450717)

Never mind the actual truth! Has Netcraft confirmed it? Or at least has Gartner predicted it will happen?

Re:What does Netcraft have to say? (1, Troll)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450831)

Or at least has Gartner predicted it won't happen?

There, fixed that for you.

Re:What does Netcraft have to say? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24451405)

Troll? Haw haw haw, 'cause Gartner's not Always Wrong(tm)...
Fucking astroturfers.

Re:Nvidia Says: Bullshit; Chipset Business Strong (1)

rpillala (583965) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450731)

"in danger" and "reconsidered" aren't even the only two options. Even if Nvidia decided to stop working on chipsets themselves, they wouldn't just destroy all the work in progress. They'd sell it or license it or something. The work already done is still an asset.

I doubt they'd leave (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450991)

Especially since AMD still seems to suck at making chipsets for their own boards. I use Intel processors myself but all the AMD fans I know recommend nVidia chipsets. As long as AMD doesn't do a good job in that market, I can't see nVidia leaving entirely.

Also as far as I know, nVidia has been able to get a QuickPath license. Basically Intel was annoyed that nVidia was playing hardball on SLI licenses. You may note that nearly all Intel boards are Crossifre only, despite ATi now being owned by AMD. Reason was they didn't have the license to implement SLI technology on their boards. So as far as I'm aware nVidia and Intel worked out a deal so Intel gets to use SLI and nVidia gets to use QuickPath.

Ars Technia says this isn't true... (5, Informative)

metalcup (897029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450643)

Joel Hruska at Ars Technia appears to have spoken to NVidia, and the article he's written says NVidia is not going to quit the chipset market anytime soon. Looks like its just a rumor... http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2008/08/01/nvidia-to-ars-were-not-leaving-the-chipset-market [arstechnica.com]

Re:Ars Technia says this isn't true... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24450799)

What, you mean the author of an article actually did some research?! If this catches on, it could be a whole journalism revolution! Hey, maybe people can actually hold Bush and MS to what they do/say... Nah, that would never happen.

Re:Ars Technia says this isn't true... (1)

Miseph (979059) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451113)

"Hey, maybe people can actually hold Bush and MS to what they do/say..."

Whoa there, don't go rocking the boat there. Wouldn't want people to think you're a commie terrorist furinner or something like that.

i'll be missing you... not (1)

theblondebrunette (1315661) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450657)

I doubt this.. Anyway, one one hand, this won't be good for the market - less competition.
On the other, no flame here, recent NVIDIA products that I've used (although this is graphics, not a chipset as mentioned in the article), like in T61p, were quite buggy. So I won't be missing NVIDIA products.

Problems with Nvidia graphics drivers and software (-1, Offtopic)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450659)

There are so many problems with Nvidia graphics drivers and software that there is a web site devoted specifically to solving the problems: LaptopVideo2Go.com [laptopvideo2go.com].

Re:Problems with Nvidia graphics drivers and softw (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24450891)

This story isn't about graphics. Please try to pay attention.

Re:Problems with Nvidia graphics drivers and softw (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24451761)

The story is about Nvidia managing badly.

Dubious at best. (5, Insightful)

bluephone (200451) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450679)

Successful companies don't usually just pack it in and go home in market segments they've been in for a long time. Sure there are issues with some chipsets and certain features, but they're not going to just call it a day. Also, "failure to secure license"? So, what, Intel said "You can only make one bid to get a license," and nVidia failed and now quits? What about "ongoing negotiations"? This is for some IP, this isn't like the Yahoo-MS deal. It's in Intel's best interest to license QPI to nVidia, because it means more sales of Intel CPUs.

Re:Dubious at best. (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451015)

It's in Intel's best interest to license QPI to nVidia, because it means more sales of Intel CPUs.

Is that really true? How many Intel CPU sales would be lost to AMD if there were no nVidia chipset for them? How many people that bought an nVidia-based board would just buy a board with Intel chips anyway?

I know that the SLI drivers do require nVidia boards, but I seem to hear that the installer or driver gets regularly hacked to remove that silly requirement.

Please note... (1)

niteice (793961) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450699)

When the article says chipset, they mean the nForce, not the GeForce.

Re:Please note... (1)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450813)

GeForce is a chip. nForce north/south bridges are motherboard chipSETS. No clarification is necessary.

Re:Please note... (1)

pleappleappleap (1182301) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450869)

A chipset is just a SET of multiple CHIPS working together to solve a problem. You're oversimplifying. There's nothing stopping nVidia from providing a chipset which implements the GeForce architecture.

Re:Please note... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24451089)

Most people were taking it to mean they were exiting the GPU industry.

Nforce was great (3, Interesting)

corychristison (951993) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450703)

I really like the Nforce chipset.

In my experience they have always been stable and well supported.

Where does this leave us AMD users... I'm still not quite the fan of the AMD chipsets as they haven't been around long enough... all of the "performance" boards were Nvidia based. My current board has an Nforce 570.

How does the AMD 780 compare? Anyone?

Re:Nforce was great (3, Interesting)

John Pfeiffer (454131) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451011)

Don't have a 780 chipset myself, I have a 790, but I figure this ought to be just as relevant. I felt the same way when I built my latest machine back in February. I didn't want to go with an AMD chipset and ATI cards. I've been an ardent AMD fan for CPUs, but for the last two builds, I went from ATI to nVidia for graphics...

Of course, when I looked into it, it turned out that the latest ATI offerings beat the pants off of nVidia's, and the new CrossfireX SLI system looked like they took nVidia SLI, and changed everything that was wrong with it. Besides, there were no decent nVidia-based mobos that could socket a Phenom that I could find at the time. So I went with an AMD-based quad CrossfireX motherboard from ASUS (The M3A32-MVP Deluxe), and slapped a Phenom, 8gb of RAM, and a Radeon HD 3850 in it. (I later added a second 3850...technically I can still put two more in, too!)

I barely missed dual-NICs, the thing that got me most, was the lack of RAID5 support on the SATA chips... (Though I still haven't been in a position to need it.) As far as performance, it's been rock solid for me. My nVidia-based machine crashed and hung a hell of a lot more when gaming. As it is, I know this one HAS, but I can't clearly recall any one time. Even the onboard audio, despite being the same chip as my last nVidia machine, doesn't have the problems my old machine did. (Some audio samples being replaced with static and screeching in certain games.)

It's not all fun and games though, I also use the machine for graphics work. When I first put it together, I tested my passive CPU cooling setup by running an unbiased render of a complex scene in Fryrender for roughly 72 hours, keeping the cores maxed the whole time... Solid as a rock, AND never went above 41 degrees C. (Spent most of the time at 38C, when I wasn't heating up the apartment making dinner.)

So, all things considered, I'd say they make a damn good chipset. :D

Re:Nforce was great (1)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451463)

In my experience they have always been stable and well supported.

bah!!

as much as I like amd (as the little guy) their cpu's are not competitive with intel and the chipset story is even worse!

ethernet drivers are the biggest nightmare. 'force death' ??? huh? totally reverse engineered. and that's a bad thing.

I did not find this production quality on linux and VERY bad on freebsd.

lets not even talk about sata bugs and 'behavior' from nv chipsets.

please LET NVIDIA DIE, ENTIRELY. competition is good but they just flat out suck in so many ways.

(I don't do windows much and I'm talking about reliable months-at-a-time uptime for samba servers on gig-e with sata-2 md-device raid. nv can't keep up with intel ICH*R series (must have R for ahci) and nv can't even touch intel on their pro1000 gig-e chip. nv should just die.)

Ties between chipset and CPU (2, Interesting)

owlstead (636356) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450737)

Although this story seems groundless, it does look like the ties between CPU and chip set are getting stronger. This seems to be one of the reasons for ATI to be taken over by AMD. Intel was already creating its own chip sets and has a monopoly on defining an interface between the two. This is an interesting relationship since it would seem that the CPU is only part of the machine nowadays. I'm expecting that this relationship will turn around somewhere in the distant future.

With Intel it was always hard to sell your own chip set against theirs (for the desktop market). Now it will get harder with AMD as well, since they have the ATI chip sets to think about. It would be strange if there would not be some casualties. Hopefully nVidia is big enough to keep some chip sets around for some time. VIA has already given up, I hope their gamble on the embedded market pays off, although they will have pretty strong competition there as well.

Re:Ties between chipset and CPU (5, Interesting)

Vanders (110092) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450885)

If you notice, what you have is essentially four companies, who break down as:
  1. Intel, who have their own CPU, chipset & video
  2. AMD, who have their own CPU, chipset & video
  3. Via, who have their own CPU, chipset & video
  4. nVidia, who have their own chipset and video

Notice the odd one out? What do you think the logical long-term plan should be, if you were nVidia?

Re:Ties between chipset and CPU (1)

owlstead (636356) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450959)

Well, I heard they were trying to build their own CPU, but building a x86 compatible one - and more importantly one that can compete - will take some time and work. They should better be quick with it though, otherwise they will be missing the boat. AMD and Intel are both very well capable of building chip sets and video. Just the high end video market just won't cut it.

Re:Ties between chipset and CPU (2, Insightful)

Vanders (110092) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451007)

Yes, it's not like the good old days when anyone with enough capital could just buy up the IP of an existing CPU like Cyrix or the IDT WinChip and rework the core until it was usable: there isn't anyone left. One route for them might be to license the IP for something like Transmeta Efficeon and try to bring the core up-to date, but the overhead and effort required may make it more effort than it's worth.

Re:Ties between chipset and CPU (1)

NerveGas (168686) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451783)

You would think so, wouldn't you?

But it's not that easy. For a few years, AMD beat Intel at the CPU business because Intel made some very, very stupid decisions, and AMD made some very smart ones. But assuming that a company doesn't make such stupid decisions, then the CPU game comes down mostly to "Who has the best fab technology?". Intel has some of the (if not THE) best fab tech in the world, and is thusly returning the favor to AMD. NVidia doesn't have any fabs at all, they would have to go to 3rd-party fabs, something that proved not to work out so well for AMD.

Re:Ties between chipset and CPU (3, Interesting)

fostware (551290) | more than 5 years ago | (#24452293)

Yeah...

Via CPUs are crap, VIA chipsets are extra crap, and VIA video blows chunks.

nVidia have stuck to the things they do well.

Re:Ties between chipset and CPU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24452519)

Let's not forget Sun and IBM, who are also major CPU manufacturers. Certainly more so than Via.

Thanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24450751)

Thank god! Nvidia chipsets aren't good.

The right thing to do... (3, Insightful)

rmdyer (267137) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450761)

I was never happy that nVidia got into the chipset business in the first place. If any company has a talent to specialize and do one thing really really well (in a competitive environment), then that is what they should continue to concetrate on. nVidia seems to have talented people who can ultimately bring us photorealistic graphics at high performance for our games, as well as other engineering, and creative needs. I really frown on companies that water down their core business by diversifying into areas which they shouldn't be messing about in.

This kind of thing seems to happen quite often and in other ways. For example, John Carmack seemed to really have a talent in producing great engines for games on the bleeding edge of what is possible with new PC technology. John drove PC gaming technology. But what does John do? John goes off to create rockets. And then he journeys off to work on pocket devices, which are basically PCs from 1995 running Win31 with 16 bit graphics. ;( John has allowed Crytek and other engine creators to walk all over id software. (Or maybe John and his company never really were that great to begin with?)

The whole nVidia chipset fiasco is what brought about the feud between Intel and nVidia so that we, the consumers, could not buy a Intel motherboard chipsets with nVidia SLI graphics. Shame.

Focus! Focus! You will never be great at something unless you do it well and are the best at it. A jack-of-all-trades rambling about between different technologies will not make you great, or competitive.

Re:The right thing to do... (1)

quadrox (1174915) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450871)

Nvidia as a company does not consist of a single person. If Nvidia hires 50 new engineers to start working on chipsets, instead of GPUs, how would that affect their GPU development at all?

Certainly, there will be some level of cooperation between the two departments in order to ensure it works well together, but it doesn't suddenly make the GPU engineers less competent than before.

Assuming that the chipset business is able to cover for it's own cost, the only likely effect would be positive, as Nvidia could more easily ensure that the chipset and the GPU work well together. How you can construe something like this to become negative is simply beyound me.

Companies expand into different market sectors all the time. And developing chipset is after all not too far a cry from developing GPUs.

Re:The right thing to do... (4, Interesting)

gujo-odori (473191) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451395)

Simple: resources put to developing the chipsets are resources that are not being put to developing GPUs. I work for a company that up until a year and a half or so ago had a single product, which had then and has now the largest market share among vendors in that market. Then we launched a new product in a complementary market sector in which there is a dominant player. Sure, we hired new staff to work on this product and it has gained considerable traction in the last nine months and the dominant player in that market is probably starting to sweat :) However, some staff from our existing product line also moved onto that new product line and while development has continued on our core product and new features continue to be released and we continue to be number one in that market, we could have done more, faster if we were focusing on a single product line.

That doesn't mean nv was wrong to get into the chipset business. Certainly, my employer was not wrong to enter the complementary market sector we entered. Sales are going very well and there are great cross-sell opportunities between our two product lines. I can see us becoming the dominant player in this new market. However, that doesn't mean that entering a new market will not have an effect on your existing products, especially in the short term. I assure you it does.

The problem nv has in the chipset market, as I see it, is that they entered a very crowded market with a dominant player (Intel), which didn't really need another player, and they put themselves in direct competition with Intel, something they weren't when they only made GPUs. It got more complicated when AMD bought ATI, since that also put them in direct competition with AMD. If nv were to exit the chipset business they could make nice with Intel as a hedge against AMD. Thus, exiting the chipset business, even if they are profitable in it, could make business sense.

Sure, they deny it. Of course, a lot of these sorts of denied stories later turn out to mostly or wholly true. Time will tell, but I shan't be surprised if we see an announcement from nv in 3 months that they are leaving the chipset business. Who knows? They might even be able to sell some of their IP to Intel and recover some of their initial investment.

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Hah! (1)

Master of Transhuman (597628) | more than 5 years ago | (#24450899)

Didn't I just say the other day their chipset drivers - at least the IDE ones - were crap? I spent a fair amount of time reinstalling Windows XP for a client on a box with the NForce chipsets, and it was the IDE drivers that were hosing the install.

Stick to graphics, Nvidia, maybe you know how to do that.

Re:Hah! (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451239)

Considering their driver issues for Vista, I wonder if they should stick to hardware (they seem to be good at that) and just outsource their driver development. Possibly just open the specs and let open source drivers get written.

!news (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24450967)

NVidia Reportedly Will Exit Chipset Business ..claiming that NVidia is ready to quit making chipsets.
NVidia has denied that it's getting out of the business.

Wait, what was this news about again?

Bogus, Nvidia denied this (1)

Man in Spandex (775950) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451025)

"The story on Digitimes is completely groundless. We have no intention of getting out of the chipset business."

The rest is here http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15240 [techreport.com]

At least the article isn't a dupe, but Slashdot found a way of making this news for nerds since we geeks have to fix ze mistakes :X

1 nail in the coffin for GLSL (1)

heroine (1220) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451037)

After 4 years, they're the only ones supporting GLSL. In today's inflation, you need to have 40% earning growth in dollars to break even. nVidia isn't doing that.

Instead of talking trash... (1)

wshwe (687657) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451073)

Nvidia should have been managing their company properly! What a bunch of wimps! Intel will get a hearty laugh out of this.

I hope this is just a rumor... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24451217)

I had been using an Nvidia Nforce4 SLIx16 chipset for two years and it is the best chipset I have ever used. If Nvidia quits the chipset business, even if it is not right now, I will be very disappointed. Ok, it had some minor glitches, like the heat pipe melts the plastic tabs off my graphics cards. But, that was probably my fault because I have got seven fans on it, and it is water cooled, so it is pulling the heat too rapidly. But, honestly, I would not trade it for any other chipset on the market today.

The word in the silicon valley... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24451313)

...is that NVidia is working on an Intel-compatible CPU.

My speculation:
They're probably shuffling resources internally, Their chipset designers might be working on the chipset to interface with their CPU.

You haven't heard this from me ;)

In Other Random Speculation... (3, Funny)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#24451319)

Slashdot Founder CmdrTaco reportedly plans to shut down the popular Slashdot web destination. "People forget my website was once largely just a portal for enlightenment themes. The purpose of Slashdot is to report on news that matters."

Slashdot will be replaced with a new web portal, OMGPonies which will focus on over reacting to all pony news that someone might have remembered reading on 4chan.

CmdrTaco has asked that the community assist him by submitting stories and drawings in the idiom of a otatu-catgirl and jacked up on pocky. We were unable to substantiate the rumor that the site will feature bedazzler fan art of Hannah Montana, despite CmdrTaco's legendary collection.

(Man, I'm just picking on that guy today!)

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24451489)

amish people stop selling pies, and gas stations no longer sell cigarettes.

Thank god that's not true! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24451575)

Phew. For a second I thought I would have to go back to VIA chipsets. *shudder*

In other news.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24451647)

Intel is going out of the CPU business. True story!

Anyone else think that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24452263)

Someone might be in bed with some stock-shorters?

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