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Knights Templar Sue the Pope

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the trade-ya-for-the-grail dept.

The Almighty Buck 675

pdragon04 writes "According to The Register, "the Knights Templar are demanding that the Vatican give them back their good name and, possibly, billions in assets into the bargain, 700 years after the order was brutally suppressed by a joint venture between the Pope and the King of France..."." I wonder what a holy grail goes for with 700 years of compound interest.

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No legal standing to sue (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467391)

The real Templars were disbanded in the early 14th century. These claimants are nothing more than another bunch of modern wannabes [wikipedia.org] (founded in 1804). They have no legal standing to sue. And since the only immortal survivor of the templar persecution died in "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade," I somehow doubt they're going to be able to find anyone who was an actual victim to join their lawsuit.

Re:No legal standing to sue (4, Interesting)

FST777 (913657) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467447)

They may have a case regarding their good name. I don't know how much the Vatican has said about the "new" Templars, but that might just hold up in court.

If that succeeds, maybe the Freemasons have a case to fight too.

Re:No legal standing to sue (5, Funny)

neokushan (932374) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467507)

If that succeeds, I'm going to rename myself "satan" and then sue the Vatican to get them to give me back my good name.

Re:No legal standing to sue (2)

dascritch (808772) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468127)

Grand Dieu ! Mais c'est "Les Rois Maudits" !!!

(Heavens ! It's like in "The Accursed Kings")

What about the native americans? (5, Funny)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467545)

So, assuming this suceeds ... can the native americans sue europe for defiling their land, and ruining their culture? I mean, if europe hadn't sent over all those rejects, the native americans would rule the (un)known world...

Or, maybe they could just sue the USA for making them look silly - I mean, those native headdresses don't look silly to people who are native - just everyone else.

Re:What about the native americans? (4, Insightful)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467753)

I mean, if europe hadn't sent over all those rejects, the native americans would rule the (un)known world...

Might be time to go down to the local community college and take a history class bud.

Re:What about the native americans? (5, Funny)

Ziest (143204) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467881)

The English deported their religious fanatics to America and their criminals to Australia. I think we, the Americans, got the short end of the stick on that one. I want to sue the English government for dumping their religious nut jobs here. I'm going to admit videos of the 700 club as evidence of this maleficence.

Re:What about the native americans? (5, Insightful)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468053)

Okay I got modded troll I can live with that, but still the Europeans didn't send anyone. By most accounts it looks like a voluntary processes regardless of whether the group was well liked back home.

Their leadership came from a religious congregation who had fled a volatile political environment in the East Midlands of England for the relative calm of the Netherlands to preserve their religion. Concerned with losing their cultural identity, the group later arranged with English investors to establish a new colony in North America.

From Wikipedia, Or perhaps even more insightful...

In 1617, discouraged by economic difficulties, the pervasive Dutch influence on their children, and their inability to secure civil autonomy, the congregation voted to emigrate to America. Through the Brewster family's friendship with Sir Edwin Sandys, treasurer of the London Company, the congregation secured two patents authorizing them to settle in the northern part of the company's jurisdiction. Unable to finance the costs of the emigration with their own meager resources, they negotiated a financial agreement with Thomas Weston, a prominent London iron merchant. Fewer than half of the group's members elected to leave Leiden. A small ship, the Speedwell, carried them to Southampton, England, where they were to join another group of Separatists and pick up a second ship. After some delays and disputes, the voyagers regrouped at Plymouth aboard the 180-ton Mayflower. It began its historic voyage on Sept. 16, 1620, with about 102 passengers--fewer than half of them from Leiden.

From mayflowerfamilies.com

I still stand by my statement, go take a history class.

Re:What about the native americans? (3, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468073)

If you cant prove you are 50% or greater american indian I think you have no case. Only american indians would be able to sue for the illegal dumping.

Holy shit, if the remaining american indians get wind of this we are all screwed.

Re:What about the native americans? (2, Interesting)

KillerBob (217953) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468001)

Not too sure how things are going in the US, but that's been happening in Canada. Land claims, treaty disputes, and other wrongdoings over the years. One of the more interesting ones can be found here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_residential_school_system [wikipedia.org] ... Among other atrocities committed at the residential schools was a program of sterilization at some of them... the residential school system has been described as a genocide program. And there's been some enormous lawsuits stemming from how shittily we've treated Canada's First Nations peoples.

Re:What about the native americans? (1)

wattrlz (1162603) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468005)

If this lawsuit succeeds the native americans could only sue the catholic church for slander and defamation eg: saying they had no souls and could be slaughtered like animals or however manifest destiny is justified. The Knights Templar, as parent and GP mentioned, are very unlikely to be making any material claims.

Re:No legal standing to sue (5, Funny)

tinkertim (918832) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467509)

Hello! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to settle.

Re:No legal standing to sue (4, Funny)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467805)

"Hello! My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father, prepare to settle."

...for a shrubbery.

Re:No legal standing to sue (4, Funny)

JustKidding (591117) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467617)

Indeed, this seems like a rather desperate call for attention. Besides, everybody knows that the Dark Templar [battle.net] are far more powerful.

Re:No legal standing to sue (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24467951)

Well, the jews got their country back after almost two thousand years.

Re:No legal standing to sue (1)

alan_dershowitz (586542) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468077)

There were at least two Templar survivors that were discovered several years after the executions (they were not punished in any way,) but it's important to note that one of their vows was a vow of Chastity and leadership succession was absolutely not familial. There is no one to collect on this thing, and even if there were, most of those holdings were land which is now privately-or-state-owned. At any rate, the Templars were not truly an independent organization and existed at the pleasure of the Catholic Church. The Church disbanded it, it doesn't exist anymore, the end.

How many Knights Templar? (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467397)

I mean, presumably there's more than one Knight Templar. Shouldn't it be 'Knights Templar sue the Pope'? Unless there's only one of them left...

Re:How many Knights Templar? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24468029)

Ever since Indy has found the holy grail, the guy has nothing better to do.

Re:How many Knights Templar? (3, Informative)

SBacks (1286786) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468051)

I believe the name of the organization is "Knights Templar". And, if the organization as a whole is suing (rather than each member suing in a class-action), then the correct sentance is "Knights Templar sues the Pope"

statute of limitations? (5, Funny)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467417)

I'm thinking that 700 years might be a bit past the statute of limitations...

Re:statute of limitations? (5, Funny)

pitchpipe (708843) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467465)

I'm thinking that 700 years might be a bit past the statute of limitations...

NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Re:statute of limitations? (4, Insightful)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467599)

Except that the Templars ran into trouble with the French, not the Spanish. Their real problem was that King Philip IV owed them a huge pile of cash that he didn't have.

Of course, that would have made Jacques de Molay even more surprised and fearful if the Spanish Inquisition showed up on his doorstep.

Re:statute of limitations? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24467521)

Murder has no statute of limitations.

Re:statute of limitations? (4, Informative)

doug (926) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467739)

True, but the murder charges would be against individuals in France (not Spain) who are dead. Anyhow, that is criminal, and I was thinking this was a civil suit.

Re:statute of limitations? (1)

KillerBob (217953) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468159)

Wonder if there's a way to bring charges to bear using organized crime laws? Most countries have laws allowing the leaders of organized crime organizations to be held responsible for the actions of their subordinates, regardless of whether the subordinates are pining for the fjords....

(and for those that missed it, that last line should indicate that this is intended to be tongue-in-cheek....)

Re:statute of limitations? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24467959)

In France it does. It is 30 years.

Re:statute of limitations? (1)

shawb (16347) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467675)

Well, if they could frame it as a racketeering charge and allege that the Knights Templar were prevented from bringing suit under duress of physical harm or if the Catholic Church was hiding evidence the statute of limitations goes *POOF*

Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467431)

I wonder what a holy grail goes for with 700 years of compound interest.

I'm much more interested in how you make up for the lives & civilizations your organization destroyed [wikipedia.org] .

I'm not saying this is true but Newsweek/MSNBC ran a story on pagan relics stored beneath the Vatican [tripod.com] . I've also read and heard that many Native American (both North & South) relics and documents were shipped back to the Vatican to be stored under it so they could study heathenism and combat it. This was after their owners were either converted or burned/shot.

I would think that the Catholic church could at least (as a sign of good faith) return these to their descendants or at the very least release them to a museum with all the information they have on it so that the rest of us can gain insight to their culture & religion. Of course, if this were true, I don't think the museum donations would be worth the black eye.

"the Knights Templar are demanding that the Vatican give them back their good name and, possibly, billions in assets into the bargain, 700 years after the order was brutally suppressed by a joint venture between the Pope and the King of France..."

The funny thing is that the Vatican probably has billions in capital at its disposal. I always got a kick out of the pope ruling a small nation-state in Europe (with its own currency, mind you) telling me to be more like Jesus. The same Jesus who said in Matthew 19:21

Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Or what Luke said (12:23)

Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys.

Or John 3:17

If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him?

The funny thing is I could go on all day finding quotes from most major religions ... Like Buddha or Gandhi, I'm a huge fan of this Jesus guy. It's 99% of the people who purport to follow him that manage to genuinely fuck up the world.

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (5, Funny)

kahei (466208) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467589)

...and that was rabid Catholic-bashing in post 4, still standing by for Christianity-bashing and something about open source.

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (4, Funny)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467613)

...and that was rabid Catholic-bashing in post 4, still standing by for Christianity-bashing and something about open source.

(see sig)

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24467667)

How about some actual rebuttal of his post instead of just calling it "Catholic-bashing", you Xtian retard?

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (4, Funny)

pitchpipe (708843) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468043)

[...]still standing by for Christianity-bashing and something about open source.

YEAH, how come Jesus didn't post the sermon on the mount for all of us to modify and improve upon instead of dictating it like Microsoft would do?

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (3, Informative)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467615)

I believe your last two citations are incorrect. The last should be 1 John, and was not uttered by Jesus. The middle one is Luke 12:33.

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (5, Interesting)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467703)

As long as we're quoting from the Bible, why not disband the whole church system using Matthew 6?

"Be careful not to do your 'acts of righteousness' before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

  2"So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 3But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Prayer
  5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (3, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467749)

As long as we're applying reason to the Bible, why not acknowledge it as nothing more than a book of bronze age mythology and treat it as such?

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (0, Troll)

FireStormZ (1315639) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468131)

I fail to see how any of these are justification for banning the 'church system', these are restrictions on an individuals behavior

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24467737)

Buddy Christ mods you up

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (4, Insightful)

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Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (2, Insightful)

chill (34294) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467795)

I'd patent it, but there's WAY too much prior art.

This hasn't stopped anyone before, why let it get in your way now?

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (1)

Sabz5150 (1230938) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468177)

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No, that particular person's sig only says +5's are given for those who say that the US Gov't sucks. Go somewhere else for your Church karma boost.

Re:The Vatican has no cash! (4, Informative)

benwiggy (1262536) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467779)

The funny thing is that the Vatican probably has billions in capital at its disposal. I always got a kick out of the pope ruling a small nation-state in Europe (with its own currency, mind you) telling me to be more like Jesus.

Actually, the Vatican made a loss last tax year.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7501486.stm [bbc.co.uk]

And this would be the same Jesus who said:
For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always. Sounds like a charitable guy.

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (4, Interesting)

91degrees (207121) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467781)

The funny thing is, the whole debate has been going on for centuries, and causing fractures in the church between those factions who believed that Jesus was poor, and so the church should be, and those who believed that having lots of money is really great.

Umberto Eco's Novel "The Name of the Rose" has this as a major subplot (I think it's less significant in the movie).

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (5, Insightful)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467937)

No one would remember the Good Samaritan if he'd only had good intentions; he had money as well.
Margaret Thatcher

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24467791)

The Vatican doesn't have its own currency: it uses the euro.

Maybe it had its own currency before the euro? I think it used the Italian lira, but I could be mistaken.

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (1)

rarel (697734) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467957)

As a state, they do have their own Euro coins. Before the Euro they had a Vatican lira. I don't know if the value was the same as the Italian one though.

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (5, Insightful)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467867)

I'm much more interested in how you make up for the lives & civilizations your organization destroyed.

I'm more interestded in how the list you pointed to is in any way relevant.

1492: Christopher Columbus discovers the New World.
1493: With the Inter caetera, Pope Alexander VI awards sole colonial rights over most of the New World to Spain.
January 22, 1506: Kaspar von Silenen and first contingent of Swiss mercenaries enter the Vatican during the reign of Pope Julius II. Traditional date of founding of the Swiss Guards.
April 18, 1506: Pope Julius II lays cornerstone of New Basilica of St. Peter.
1508: Michaelangelo starts painting the Sistine Chapel ceiling.
October 31, 1517: Martin Luther posts his 95 Theses, protesting the sale of indulgences.
1516: Saint Sir Thomas More publishes "Utopia" in Latin.
1519: Spanish conquest of Mexico by Hernando Cortes.
January 3, 1521: Martin Luther finally excommunicated by Pope Leo X in the bull Decet Romanum Pontificem.
1521: Baptism of the first Catholics in the Philippines, the first Christian nation in Southeast Asia. This event is commemorated with the feast of the Sto. Niño.

etc. What do any of these have to do with destroying people's lives?

I would think that the Catholic church could at least (as a sign of good faith) return these to their descendants or at the very least release them to a museum with all the information they have on it so that the rest of us can gain insight to their culture & religion.

I don't see how anyone could disagree with that. "Thou shalt not steal," not even if you are the Catholic Chruch.

The funny thing is that the Vatican probably has billions in capital at its disposal.

More pathetic than funny IMO, especially considering Matthew 19:23 - "Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God"

Never trust a preacher who wears a five thousand dollar suit preaching in a million dollar church.

It's 99% of the people who purport to follow him that manage to genuinely fuck up the world.

Amen to that. Pat Robertson has converted more Christians to athiesm than all the athiests at slashdot combined. Most of the people you find in any church worship money, not God.

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24468147)

What do any of these have to do with destroying people's lives?

Remember the native people who lived in America? They might have not been quite so happy with Columbus arriving and starting the slow process to nearly wipe them all out, or the successful destruction of their culture.

Of course, as you point out, the Protestants were even better at it. The Catholic Church succeeded in converting quite a few native people to their church, while the Protestants (namely, English colonies and the Puritans) just mercilessly killed the natives without bothering with the whole "conversion" thing.

The first Puritan settlement was built literally on top of a native village after the settlers had killed the entire village. (And this was after they stole provisions from another native tribe. Why Thanksgiving then? Yet another native tribe, "the enemy of my enemy" and all that. And that tribe didn't do so well either, did it?)

So while the Catholic church has some answering to do, the Puritans have some as well. And, yes, there are still Puritan churches around. The Unitarians in the US and the United Church of Christ (yes, the same church as Rev. Wright) both derive from the Puritan church.

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (2, Interesting)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467895)

Commandments against the accumulation of personal valuables apply to individual Christians, not the Church as an organization. Christianity, as an offshot of Jewish Temple worship, had elaborate furnishings and ornate decoration from the very beginning. The collection called the Apostolic Fathers, written by the generation following the Apostles, described worship in ways little different from the rites of the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches today. The idea that the Church itself should be poor and bereft of splendour is very much a Protestant innovation that only popped up a few hundred years ago.

Silly (1)

tjstork (137384) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467969)

I'm much more interested in how you make up for the lives & civilizations your organization destroyed

Hey, I'm all down with the Catholic church coughing up the New World assets as soon as the Islamic world reverts the middle east to the Roman Christian states they were before hand Islamic expansion.

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (1)

FireStormZ (1315639) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468075)

IUm not Catholic so I don't have a dog in this fight but I hate it when people cut and paste scripture to try to make a point rather than taking scripture as a whole.

--
Matthew 19:21

Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
--

Nice that you quoted from the gospel of Matthew, the man who managed the money that was used towards the ministry of Christ. Yes the Catholic church will have to stand before God and answer for how they have used their wealth but a church having money in and of itself is *not* bad.

----

"It's 99% of the people who purport to follow him that manage to genuinely fuck up the world."

Oh yea 99% of the worlds problems are caused by Christians...

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24468097)

..you might be listening to some of that thar crazy talk

"I've also read and heard that many Native American (both North & South) relics and documents were shipped back to the Vatican to be stored under it so they could study heathenism and combat it. This was after their owners were either converted or burned/shot."

1) burned? shot? IIRC the Roman Catholic church actually had become quite the good citizen when this country was being explored and sent missionaries in to do good things. No shooting and definitely no burning.

2) documents? oh, you mean like all that written stuff that Native Americans had written down.

Don't get me wrong. I'm 1/4 Native Amer (Iroquois) and I'd love to take revenge on anyone who did my (very dead) ancestors wrong, but that doesn't include maligning major religions that actually tried to help my people.

Make sure you get your facts straight before you start slamming people. ... oh, wait, sorry, I forgot. This is /.

BTW, why is this story even on /.?

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (5, Insightful)

D Ninja (825055) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468135)

The funny thing is I could go on all day finding quotes from most major religions ... Like Buddha or Gandhi, I'm a huge fan of this Jesus guy. It's 99% of the people who purport to follow him that manage to genuinely fuck up the world.

I'd love to see where you got your statistics.

I don't disagree with you. Christians have done quite a good job of messing up the world. Heck...Christians are people too - we mess up. But, then again, we are all part of this earth, so we all hold responsibility for its state...it's not just Christians (and people of other faiths) who are at fault. The problem as I see it is, and as you very nicely pointed out, religions tend to be caught in their hypocrisy which makes them look that much worse. (What's worse - someone who does something bad, or someone who says to do good and still does the bad thing?)

I am also not disagreeing with you that all of that capital could not be used to help millions (billions?) of people in this world, and it's not. I am with you 100% on that.

With all that said, what I find interesting is that you quote passage after passage in the Bible, condemning Christians (and religions) about not being perfect, yet you forget one passage...

Matthew 7:5 - You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you will see clearly enough to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

I challenge you that, instead of complaining about how others are not doing the right thing, go out and do the right thing yourself. How much better would that make the world?

Re:Yes the Vatican Is So Pure & Holy (2, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468155)

ahem,

The followers of Muhammed are also fucking up the place pretty darn good.

and dont get me started on those wackjobs that worship the great space race taht will come down to save us... or do they worship L ron Hubbard? I forget.

dont blame just the christians, they simply have a head start on everyone else.

Good luck with that... (4, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467463)

They'll have enough trouble trying to prove that they are the rightful heirs of the Knights Templar...Trying to get money from the church on top of that? And why not sue France? They got a huge chunk of change as well.

Not even close to being the first time someone has tried this, and it never goes anywhere. The dream of the Templars wealth keeps it going, but in reality there is no wealth to claim, no one with the right to claim it, and no one to claim it from.

Its all a coverup! (4, Funny)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467563)

Liar!! I've seen national treasure 1 AND 2. C'mon, you're just part of the order, trying to keep all of the other rightful heirs from becoming really rich and buying nice cars.

Re:Good luck with that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24467633)

yeah, if they sue France, France will just turn around and sue Microsoft. They should just cut the middle man and sue Microsoft themselves.

Re:Good luck with that... (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468041)

"And why not sue France?"

You mean go dig up some pretender to the throne and see if he has any actual money?

Rightful heir of the Knights Templar (4, Funny)

rossdee (243626) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468107)

How about Sir Roger Moore? He's a Knight, and is famous for playing Simon Templar.

Jacques deMolay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24467467)

Thou art not merely avenged, but thou art goin' to Disneyland!

Or EuroDisney, as the case may be.

Interesting (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467527)

If that works, then the middle east Muslims will also be able to sue for wrongful invasion by the Catholics and the knights templar. This could be fun.

Umm... hello, respect to the Holy Clergy? (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467549)

If the Knights Templars are so holy, shouldn't they swear obedience to the Pope or something just as jesuits do?

IMO this is nothing more than a greedy grand-grandchild wanting his inheritance money. Next!

Re:Umm... hello, respect to the Holy Clergy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24467699)

nope. Because the Knights Templar were Freemasons not Catholics.

Re:Umm... hello, respect to the Holy Clergy? (1)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468025)

No, because they are no longer a military organization and "Fanatical Devotion To The Pope" is technically classified as a "Chief Weapon."

I propose a deal. (5, Funny)

kahei (466208) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467555)

They go back and *actually* liberate the Holy Land, and *then* the Pope has to pay them all the golden doubloons in Christendom.

10% bonus doubloons for finding the True Cross. On second thoughts, 10% bonus for each True Cross found.

Heck, I'll even chip in a squadron of Turcopoles and some Genoese arbalesters.

I had to look it up (4, Informative)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467557)

So now you don't have to [wikipedia.org] .

The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon (Latin: Pauperes commilitones Christi Templique Solomonici), commonly known as the Knights Templar or the Order of the Temple (French: Ordre du Temple or Templiers), were among the most famous of the Western Christian military orders.[3] The organization existed for approximately two centuries in the Middle Ages. It was founded in the aftermath of the First Crusade of 1096, its original purpose to ensure the safety of the many Christians who made the pilgrimage to Jerusalem after its conquest.

Officially endorsed by the Roman Catholic Church around 1129, the Order became a favored charity throughout Christendom and grew rapidly in membership and power. Templar knights, in their distinctive white mantles quartered by a red cross, were among the most skilled fighting units of the Crusades.[4] Non-combatant members of the Order managed a large economic infrastructure throughout Christendom, innovating financial techniques that were an early form of banking,[5][6] and building many fortifications throughout the Mediterranean and the Holy Land.

The Templars' success was tied closely to the Crusades; when the Holy Land was lost, support for the Order faded. Rumors about the Templars' secret initiation ceremony created mistrust, and King Philip IV of France, deeply in debt to the Order, began pressuring Pope Clement V to take action against the Order. In 1307, many of the Order's members in France were arrested, tortured into giving false confessions, and then burned at the stake.[7] In 1312, Pope Clement, under continuing pressure from King Philip, disbanded the Order. The abrupt disappearance of a major part of the societal infrastructure gave rise to speculation and legends, which have kept the "Templar" name alive into the modern day.

I fail to see how this is nerdy, but I do appreciate the humor of someone suing the pope.

No wait, seriously? (1)

Holammer (1217422) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467595)

Well, It *IS* The Register but lets play along. What's the Statute of limitations on this kind of stuff? Surely it must be shorter than 700 years. ... and it's not like the common man today believes they were a bunch of hedonistic Baphomet worshippers anyway.

knights (1)

mark72005 (1233572) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467649)

From what I have read, the current organization bears little if any connection to any historical one.

But with the way that the RCC deals out settlements, why not pull the lever?

Marionette (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24467685)

Rumba > Bure

We demand the Pantheon back! (4, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467707)

The Pantheon, in Rome [wikipedia.org] , was built as a temple to the Roman gods, but was taken over by the Catholic church in 609 AD. It's time to return it to its original purpose, and restore the statutes of Mars, Venus, Apollo, Jupiter, and Diana.

If the Holy See doesn't comply. (2, Funny)

MRe_nl (306212) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467769)

If the Holy See doesn't comply, the warrior knights, renowned for liberating the Holy Land, will deploy that most fearsome of weapons: the Holy Hand Grenade offe Antioch.

May the best Godwin!

and don't forget the psyhcological damage (1)

rarel (697734) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467773)

In a related formal complain, The Templars also called the Church on its trolling and demanded compensation for all the flames.

Wrong icon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24467787)

This deserves the Monty Python Foot.

"WTF" is "their good name?" (4, Insightful)

hellfire (86129) | more than 5 years ago | (#24467991)

As standing with The Register's excellent reputation these days, the article is short on details and what exactly "restoring their good name" means. Here's something that might make more sense:

http://www.cathnews.com/article.aspx?aeid=8360 [cathnews.com]

What the Templars want is the lifting of the ban on the order itself by the catholic church. Follow the money on this one. The templars appear to be a charitable organization now, but even 700 years later, c'mon, if you said you were a templar, the first two stupid questions you'd expect from an ignorant person are "weren't they all burned at the stake for crimes a long time ago", and "so where's the grail?"

Obviously the Templars want some legitimacy, and this is the first step. If the church basically lifts the ban, they can also probably get financial and political support from the Vatican, which is huge. By getting legitimacy, they stop having to answer the same stupid questions and can go back to doing good works "in the name of God and with the pope's blessing," if that's the type of thing that floats your boat, and people will start taking them more seriously. Right now I bet no one in the world takes them seriously, but if they win this, since this will be a pretty visible thing if the Pope does what he asks, it will catapult the group into the world spotlight.

Disappointed in /. 'ters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24468039)

Good grief. TFA has references to the Holy Grail, "most fearsome of weapons", a French King, Spain, homosexual Knights, heresy, etc., and I only count 1 Monty Python joke so far...

A lawsuit in Spain . . . (0, Redundant)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 5 years ago | (#24468141)

The Templars had better watch out! No one expects THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

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