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No Linux IdeaPad For Lenovo's US Customers

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the too-bad-because-I-want-one dept.

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narramissic writes "When Lenovo's new IdeaPad 'S' series netbooks hit stores in October, U.S. buyers will only be given one option: Windows XP on the IdeaPad S10 (making it not so much a series as a single offering). Meanwhile, people in most markets Lenovo serves, including Singapore, China and the U.K., will be offered both of the company's new IdeaPad netbooks (the S10, which has 10.2-inch screen, and the S9, which has an 8.9-inch screen), and the choice of either Microsoft Windows XP or a Linux OS. Before you start feeling too sorry for yourself, consider the price tag: the S10 will sell for £319 (US$629) in the U.K., but in the U.S. the starting price is $399." Liliputing (a cool site for anyone interested in sub-notebook computing) has posted a few bits on the IdeaPad, including some short videos.

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first post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24503149)

I don't give a shit. Oh, there's a necrotic dog penis in the parking lot.

Re:first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24503717)

I don't have anything to say really, I just felt like posting AC.

eeeew, I feel dirty now.

XP (4, Funny)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503183)

Reading through the summary, at first I thought that the fact that it was only available with XP was supposed to be a good thing. Then I got further and realized it was being compared to XP + Linux, not XP + Vista.

Re:XP (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24503257)

Apparently Lenovo consider Americans to be both poor and stupid.

Re:XP (5, Insightful)

pheared (446683) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503307)

Actually it seems that they think the UK consumers are stupid, given the price hike they are imposing.

Re:XP (0, Flamebait)

awrowe (1110817) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503731)

To be fair though, most if not all of that price hike is down to the greedy bloodsucking bastard government which seems to think a country should be run at a profit, with the citizens being the customers, rather than running the essential services the people require and taking no more than what it costs to do so.

Re:XP (2, Informative)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504195)

Actually it's half and half between the greedy company and the greedy government in this case. UK VAT is 17.5%, so taking the figure of $629 means the tax will be $110, leaving a base price of $519. That's still $120 extra for Lenovo, as well as $110 for the government.

Re:XP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24504555)

what kind of amazing stuff does the UK gov't provide in return for those enormous taxes?

It certainly doesn't go to dental benefits, so where is this money going? Genuinely curious here.

Re:XP (3, Insightful)

sayfawa (1099071) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504009)

People in countries with higher wages pay more for products. Who would've thought? Maybe that price comparison should factor in the two countries' average incomes.

In other news, rice costs more here than in India. They must think we're stupid.

Re:XP (1)

gnuman99 (746007) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504601)

If you are willing to pay more and that makes you happier, go for it. But that is kind of dumb. All that happens is companies will just charge more for everything, inflation rises, and suddenly you paying more for stuff just parts your way with money quicker.

There is a good saying that is always true. "A fool and his money are soon parted."

Aside: Rice costs less in India because it is *SUBSIDIZED*, like most basic food. Try that as a word for the day.

Re:XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24505423)

Strange then that electronics and autos cost nearly double in India compared to let's say US. The explantion is more basic, they don't call it rip off Britain for nothing .

Re:XP (1)

the_povinator (936048) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505445)

Yes but laptops are tradable across borders.

Note that in the UK, 17.5% VAT is included in the price, but that's a small difference.

Re:XP (1)

treeves (963993) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505501)

Saying that 17.5% tax is a "small thing" is a good indication that they can rip you off without much of a fight.

Re:XP (1)

cmacb (547347) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504325)

More likely they think consumers in the US are too stupid to know that both versions of Windows are a POS with respect to something that "just works" without constant diddling or calling your computer friends to set right again. Then there are built in discounts for all the junkware likely to be installed on the US edition.

Re:XP (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24504579)

More likely they think consumers in the US are too stupid to know that both versions of Windows are a POS with respect to something that "just works" without constant diddling or calling your computer friends to set right again. Then there are built in discounts for all the junkware likely to be installed on the US edition.

I can agree with the Windows critique, but Linux.. "just works" and "without constant diddling or calling your computer friends to set right again" ?

Sorry, not true.

Re:XP (1)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505539)

My Hinux HTPC just works.

My fiance's Linux laptop just works.

My Linux laptop, on the other hand, I'm constantly diddling with. Then again, that's just what I do with it.

My Vista desktop, now there's a sore on my ass if I ever saw one. I stay out of the office, save for picking up printouts, because that thing's in there.

Re:XP (1)

CyDharttha (939997) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504475)

Is the price difference a result of higher mandatory manufacturer warranty in Europe? Are hardware prices commonly higher than the US, or is this uncommon?

Just the UK? (1)

Pinky's Brain (1158667) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504899)

I do wonder though, if they didn't confuse Euros prices with Pounds ... because that price is outrageous.

For comparison, a MSI wind would set you back around 400 Euros in mainland Europe which corresponds pretty well to the 600 Dollar price tag in the US.

Re:XP (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24504129)

"Warning: Apple/Nintendo fangirl. Likes her electronics cute & cuddly. May be rabid."

"may be rabid but more likely just a dumb fucking cunt" is more like it.

Re:XP (2, Funny)

S.O.B. (136083) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504233)

Ignore the Anonymous Coward. He was dropped on his head a lot as a child...which was last week.

Looking silly (0, Troll)

alcmaeon (684971) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505149)

I never noticed it before, but Chinese people really look silly in Western clothing. Of course, there are a billion of them, so MMV.

Re:XP (1)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505489)

Wait a minute... and Apple fangirl that's rooting for linux?

I think I'm in love... too bad I'm already engaged.

not linux (4, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503203)

it's "Linpus Linux Lite". Based on the name alone, I say good riddance.

Re:not linux (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24503269)

this is the distro used in acer low end notebooks, no X, just a black screen. Great for presenting a Windows alternative!.

Re:not linux (2, Insightful)

BlackCreek (1004083) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503737)

this is the distro used in acer low end notebooks, no X, just a black screen. Great for presenting a Windows alternative!.

and I would take that anyday instead of paying for XP / Vista.

Please, note that Dell is only selling Linux pre-installed in "selected" markets...

Re:not linux (0, Flamebait)

x_MeRLiN_x (935994) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504949)

What are you talking about? [linpus.com]

Their claim that the ability to rearrange the icons doubles your "fun" and productivity did make me chuckle.

It *is* Linux (5, Informative)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503445)

The Linpus distro has been around for more than 10 years. I ran it when I was in Taiwan. You can get the install dvd or live cd here: ftp://ftp.linpus.com/dists/LL96/iso/ [linpus.com]

Re:It *is* Linux (2, Informative)

Artichoke (34549) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503981)

For all I know it could be an excellent distro with a pedigree as long as your arm but it still has a terrible, terrible name.

Pus: sticky creamy bodily fluid that oozes from sores and spots.

Re:It *is* Linux (5, Funny)

twistedemotions (231376) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504281)

Agreed. I can see it now: Open Sores Linpus

Re:It *is* Linux (1, Funny)

Kjella (173770) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505021)

Pus: sticky creamy bodily fluid that oozes from sores and spots.

Plus when you say it the alternatives don't get better:
Lin-puss = Linux pussy?
Or if you fail to pronounce the n properly it'll easily sound like:
Limpus = Biggus Dickus' brother

Yeah, I run GIMP on Limpus... come on, you can't even make this stuff up.

Re:not linux (3, Funny)

Joe Jay Bee (1151309) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504207)

Pretty shit name. Pretty much the only worse name for a distro I can think of would be "Smegmux", which is horrific - except for the fact that Linpus is real.

Smegmux (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504639)

I can see someone creating that distro now, just for the hell of it.

Re:Smegmux (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504695)

"Linux... Uncircumcised!"

Re:Smegmux (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504791)

Ewwwwwwwwww

Black market (5, Funny)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503205)

I foresee a black market in Linux system restore discs...

Re:Black market (1, Insightful)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503247)

I foresee a black market in Linux system restore discs...

You can download Linux for free!

Re:Black market (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24503341)

You can download Linux for free!

Funny how I'm posting at 0 karma and the parent is posting at 2.

Re:Black market (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24503353)

I foresee a black market in Linux system restore discs...

You can download Linux for free!

Yes, but the nice thing with an OEM restore disc is that it will have all the drivers pre-loaded. Tracking down appropriate drivers can be decidedly non-trivial.

Re:Black market (2, Informative)

frieko (855745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503915)

I've never had to hunt down a driver for my Thinkpad. Everything "Just Works" in Ubuntu.

Re:Black market (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504267)

Do people still do this with Linux? I have FreeBSD on my ThinkPad, and everything Just Worksâ - all of the drivers are in the tree and I've never had to look for any third-party ones.

My netbook purchase is on hold... (2, Interesting)

loteck (533317) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503253)

Until Dell releases their E series netbooks [slashdot.org] . The specs are promising (please include a 6-cell battery), they look very good, and the price point reflects a "race to the bottom" that I fear Asus's EeePC series has forgotten.

Of course then the dual cores will start coming out later in the year, but I doubt I can wait until then, especially at these prices.

Re:My netbook purchase is on hold... (2, Interesting)

timothy (36799) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503579)

I'm in the same (or a similar) boat, awaiting the rising tide ...

The used-to-be-ThinkPad background of the Lenovo laptop line is probably the biggest reason this one is high on the list -- I'm hoping the keyboard on this will be more tolerable than for instance that on the early EEE (I will *not* tempt fate to say it could hardly be worse); the Acer Aspire One is very similarly specced / priced, but I read yesterday that Acer's planning to sell a 6-cell battery for (ack!) $130, which strikes me as a poor bargain. If only this was still IBM / ThinkPad branded, there'd be good reason to hope for lots of 3d-party accessories. Right now I'm just trying to anticipate which of the various near-identical cheap subnotebooks will have the greatest network effects, specifically thinking of battery price / watt hour.

timothy

 

Re:My netbook purchase is on hold... (2, Interesting)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503759)

The Lenovo 3000 (their first 'consumer' notebook) line does not really reflect the ThinkPad heritage, and as far as I can tell, the intent of the IdeaPad is to make a similarly consumer oriented notebook, but to leave out all of the clunky that they built into the 3000s (mediocre speakers, boring-as-possible design, etc.), so don't be surprised if this offering falls short of ThinkPad-based expectations.

Re:My netbook purchase is on hold... (1)

loteck (533317) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503825)

Dell has removed the top line of function keys and tied them as alts to the number row, which should allow them to have slightly more space in the keyboard region and hopefully make for a more pleasant typing experience. I know Wind users and some EeePC users complain about cramped keyboards.

Battery life/cost is absolutely the key issue for me, though.

Re:My netbook purchase is on hold... (1)

MojoStan (776183) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505047)

Dell has removed the top line of function keys and tied them as alts to the number row, which should allow them to have slightly more space in the keyboard region and hopefully make for a more pleasant typing experience. I know Wind users and some EeePC users complain about cramped keyboards.

I think removing the row of function keys would allow more space for the touchpad, but not the keyboard. I think the "typing experience" is limited more by the width of the keyboard area, which is limited by screen/case width.

The touchpad is a common complaint about the first generation of netbooks. Either they're too small (Eee PCs) or they have buttons on either side instead of below (MSI Wind). There just isn't enough room below the keyboard for an adequately-sized touchpad with buttons below.

Of course, I'd settle for a trackpoint instead of a touchpad.

Re:My netbook purchase is on hold... (1)

Jorophose (1062218) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504527)

You want a good keyboard on a netbook?

The HP 2133 is really the only good choice, imho. But that's because I really don't like the Atom, and the stance intel took developping it. Not to mention, I'd rather have a 5W non-ULV 1GHz Nano (I wonder how much the ULV models use?) with a VX800 (again, VX800u?) then an Atom with whatever crap Intel lumps together for a chipset.

But this is all riding on if HP has the balls to be one of the few to use a Nano.

Re:My netbook purchase is on hold... (1)

timothy (36799) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505541)

Have heard good things about the HP's keyboard and build quality -- but bad things about the processor. It really would be nice if HP would include the Nano as the core of the next-gen version. OTOH, I'm not sure what you mean by the "stance Intel took developing" the Atom; would you mind explaining that?

One thing I like about Intel's integrated chipsets is that Compiz Fusion works well with quite low-end hardware; I like having those effects, even though they're pretty low on Maslow's heirarchy of human needs.

timothy

Re:My netbook purchase is on hold... (1)

BlackCreek (1004083) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503699)

My netbook purchase is also on hold, but it is more due to the fact that I am still waiting for:
  1. a netbook that will take a mobile phone sim card for web access.
  2. to know if Asus actually brings the SplashTop [engadget.com] to the Eee line,

IMHO both the Dell's and this Lenovo look much better than the Eee's, but that SplashTop would (for me) be the killer feature.

But given the speed with which these new models seem to reach Europe. I'll probably won't be actually getting one before December (when the West celebrates the Great Shopping Holiday :-S).

Re:My netbook purchase is on hold... (1)

jefu (53450) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504343)

I'm looking casually at the netbooks, but would really like one that runs linux and will also serve (maybe with a plugin headset) as a cell phone. Then I could abandon my cheezy att cell phone which has no software worth mentioning on it and run a system where I have the controls, not whatever marketing company has paid the most to the cell companies.

Price Difference (1)

ag3ntugly (636404) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503287)

the S10 will sell for £319 (US$629) in the U.K., but in the U.S. the starting price is $399

I've noticed this sort of thing about several electronic devices, anyone know why they charge so much more in the UK?

Re:Price Difference (2, Insightful)

KGIII (973947) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504353)

VAT and basic marketing principles. They can sell for more so they do.

Taxes? (1)

mangu (126918) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504521)

anyone know why they charge so much more in the UK?

I think the level of health and social services provided by the UK government compared to what is provided in the US will give you a clue.

Robert Heinlein created the acronym TANSTAAFL, "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch". I would add NFHCASSE, "no free health care and social services either".

US Europe price differential .. (2, Insightful)

rs232 (849320) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503291)

"the S10 will sell for £319 (US$629) in the U.K., but in the U.S. the starting price is $399"

Why is this, does it cost more to ship it to Europe or is it we're supposed to subsidise the US market?

Re:US Europe price differential .. (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503363)

I doubt they will be selling them at a loss in the U.S., so it won't quite be a subsidy.

I imagine the reason is that euro-holders and their euros are more soon parted than dollar-holders and their dollars, at least in the realm of electronics (plus VAT, but euro prices are almost always higher than the exchange rate would suggest, even after accounting for VAT).

Re:US Europe price differential .. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24503415)

Europe is more leftwing than the US, hence the consumers have more money to spend, hence you get more demand at the same price, hence the market equilibrium occurs at a higher price.

Or equivalently, companies charge whatever they can without customers leaving them, since Europeans on average has more money to spend they are also more tollerant towards high prices, so companies can charge more and still sell their products.

Re:US Europe price differential .. (2, Insightful)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503435)

Why is this, does it cost more to ship it to Europe or is it we're supposed to subsidise the US market?

No, its because they think they'll make more profit in Europe charging more, either because Europeans have more money they are willing to throw at this kind of tech, or because its a narrower, richer segment of the market willing to consider the product at all in Europe; its simply a matter of segmenting the market and charging as much as the market will bear in each segment.

Cost probably has next to nothing to do with it.

Re:US Europe price differential .. (2, Insightful)

BlackCreek (1004083) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503823)

Add to that the fact that the European web-market for bargains is terribly fragmented due to:
  1. The different languages;
  2. the fragmentation of the delivery market that makes prices for shipping across many national borders much higher than what it should, say in the US you often get single fee for continental US, but here you get single fee for ... Belgium or The Netherlands!

Re:US Europe price differential .. (1)

Awptimus Prime (695459) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504541)

No, its because they think they'll make more profit in Europe charging more, either because Europeans have more money they are willing to throw at this kind of tech, or because its a narrower, richer segment of the market willing to consider the product at all in Europe; its simply a matter of segmenting the market and charging as much as the market will bear in each segment.

Cost probably has next to nothing to do with it.

So this is what Europeans claim these days? Electronics cost more in Europe for decades, even when their economies were in the collective dumper.

From my experience in selling things to people in European countries, it costs quite a bit more to get things from Asia to Europe than compared to North America, not to mention the mountain of languages needed to advertise for a smaller market. Blame your politicians and many languages.

Re:US Europe price differential .. (5, Informative)

xaxa (988988) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503441)

- we're willing to pay more (i.e. we value stuff more)
- more regulations (apparently)
- tax included in the price (17.5% for the UK price)
- company has to pay recycling charge (WEEE)
- longer warrenties (by law)

At least, that's what /. came up with last week :-)

Re:US Europe price differential .. (2, Funny)

ya really (1257084) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503867)

- we're willing to pay more (i.e. we value stuff more)

Ahhh...so that explains why my cell phone company keeps tacking on extra charges, they know I'll value their service more.

Re:US Europe price differential .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24504435)

company has to pay recycling charge (WEEE)

Was that sarcasm?

Re:US Europe price differential .. (1)

CyDharttha (939997) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504487)

Thanks, that answers my question from a few posts up.

Re:US Europe price differential .. (1)

gnuman99 (746007) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504649)

It is true that the warranties in UK are crazy. But essentially you end up paying for 2 computers instead of 1.

Your first comment just makes you look either stupid or snobbish though. I would never be willing to pay *more* for exactly the same product just for the privilege of paying more.

Then again, with that attitude why isn't all of UK using a Mac? /joke

Re:US Europe price differential .. (1)

rtechie (244489) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504251)

It doesn't cost more to ship TO Europe, it costs more to ship WITHIN Europe. European postal, shipping, and trucking rates are MUCH higher than in the US. So while it costs about the same to get it to the dock on the container ship, it costs a lot more to truck it from the dock to the store.

For electronic products, there are also internationalization costs. Those costs are reduced for very popular languages, like Chinese and American English. Everyone else pays a premium.

And remember, that's MSRP, not the wholesale cost. That higher price is suggested because of the higer costs related to retail sales in Europe, especially staff cost. So the wholesale price might be $400 USD, the same as the US retail price, which pushes up the retail price.

Import it from the US (1)

hack slash (1064002) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504771)

The price difference is so massive that it really will be worth importing one from the US, even if (bloody) customs slap import duty on it.
In fact the difference is so much that I wouldn't be suprised if small companies imported them from the US in bulk and undercut their fellow sellers.

I thought the price difference was because they could sell more in the US than in Europe? the whole bulk-buying reduces costs strategy

Eat my goatse'd penis! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24503305)

Eat my goatse [goatse.cz] 'd penis!

Re:Eat my goatse'd penis! (-1, Flamebait)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503407)

what makes your penis goatse'd? did you stick it up the goatse's shit chute? Or are you going to spread your asshole while a dorky linux fanboi gives you head?

Still feeling sorry. (1)

XanC (644172) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503339)

Let's see... I don't get the opportunity to spend $629 for something useful, but instead I'm invited to take $399 and throw it away!

Re:Still feeling sorry. (1)

hostyle (773991) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504073)

British accents come at a subsidy ... take it or leave it.

UK getting charged more? There's a shocker... (4, Insightful)

Channard (693317) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503349)

Actually, we usually get screwed more on the price. More often than not, UK folks end up paying in pounds what US folks pay in dollars.

Re:UK getting charged more? There's a shocker... (2, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503607)

You can switch out "end up paying" for "are perfectly willing to pay"...

Re:UK getting charged more? There's a shocker... (1)

csteinle (68146) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503671)

While that's basically true for "must have" things, it certainly means I'm less inclined to buy as much stuff. For instance I'd buy a damn sight more games on impulse if they weren't £40-50 ($80-100) on release. As it is I think a lot longer about it and more often than not just decide I've got enough play left in the titles I've already bought. I'd probably spend more money total if games were twenty quid a pop.

Re:UK getting charged more? There's a shocker... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24503911)

> I'd probably spend more money total if games were twenty quid a pop

Is it any cheaper if you order them from the States, maybe from amazon.com or some such, and have them shipped? Disclaimer: I don't know if this makes any sense, or if shipping charges eat your lunch, or what. But last time I sent a private package of about that size from the US to Europe, it cost me around $6 shipping, so it might still be a net win if you can find a place that won't overcharge for shipping.

Re:UK getting charged more? There's a shocker... (1)

nxnikos (859425) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504249)

True but don't forget customs. I payed an arm and a leg for an XO which was second hand as well.

Re:UK getting charged more? There's a shocker... (1)

xaxa (988988) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504597)

Yes, sometimes much cheaper, especially with Amazon marketplace (for CDs anyway, I don't play video games). I feel a bit guilty not supporting my country's/the EU economy though, especially as a UK online record store went out of business because all their customers bought everything from the US.

Please fix your economy :-)

(Although the UK one isn't much better right now...)

How did it ever come to this? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24503427)

faggots eat shit out of the asses of other faggots. will you let this go or will you reject them as the drain on society that they are?

only Windows XP (1)

ca111a (1078961) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503449)

so, no Vista option?

Re:only Windows XP (1)

str7der (1097125) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504301)

so, no Vista option?

Of course not! This is a sub notebook and vista is too big and slow to run on it! Actually Microsoft has released (and is going to support) a version of XP special for this kind of notebooks in fears that this market will get dominated by Linux.

Not just US and Lenovo (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503509)

Here in The Netherlands it's impossible to get the Linux version of the eee pc 901.

Do I see a trend or is it a plot?

Re:Not just US and Lenovo (1)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503695)

It seems they've been having problems shipping them out. I noticed around a month delay before the Linux version showed up on NewEgg.

Re:Not just US and Lenovo (2, Insightful)

BlackCreek (1004083) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503709)

Here in The Netherlands it's impossible to get the Linux version of the eee pc 901.

Did you actually found the Eee 901 for sale in the NL already? (Just asking because I haven't seen it anywhere).

Re:Not just US and Lenovo (1)

Teun (17872) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504245)

Computerpirates expected them yesterday but charge 430 euro...

Others show pre order or 6-10 days delivery.

And contrary to last weekend (when I last checked) they are now offering the 20GB Linux version!

I'm pretty sure I saw them in the Tweakers.net price watch but they are not there right now, looks like a container got rerouted :)

Re:Not just US and Lenovo (3, Interesting)

kramulous (977841) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504319)

Here in Aus, I noticed that just recently, the sub-notebooks for sale in the general electrical shops have had linux removed and now you can only see XP. This has happened in the last couple of months. I'll go with plot.

Re:Not just US and Lenovo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24505135)

We just got them here in N.Z. about 3-4 weeks after the Windows version. I suspect the supply side is slower on the Linux 20GB model. Awesome little machine.

Re:Not just US and Lenovo (2, Interesting)

Petrushka (815171) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505181)

I feel lucky, having read your post and the sibling posts, that I noticed when the Linux version of the 901 hit shop catalogues in NZ last week (thank you pricespy.co.nz). However, it's kind of conspicuous that any shop that has announced they have any in stock is out of stock the following day. Even the WinXP models seem to sell very quickly. I would like to think that the same thing has been happening in NL and Oz; it may even be true. But Asus' heavy emphasis on the WinXP line is certainly not just bad luck, I think: it's entirely intentional.

So I guess it was a good idea... (2, Insightful)

gillbates (106458) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503551)

To buy an Asus EEE PC. Not that IBM has a bad reputation with respect to being Linux compatible, but it was nice to have it come installed and just work out of the box.

Re:So I guess it was a good idea... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24503689)

Lenovo != IBM

No clit?! (4, Insightful)

sznupi (719324) | more than 6 years ago | (#24503633)

Ehhh...Lenovo had a chance of replacing ridiculously small touchpads found in all netbooks with a trackpoint, ending up with THE best netbook on the market.

Instead...they're only average/good... :/

Re:No clit?! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24504023)

You sound surprised. I've seen so many people praise the Thinkpad "nipple" on my old laptop as an astounding development, yet still buy a Dell instead because they double the RAM for free ...

Re:No clit?! (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505033)

When it comes to normal sized laptops, one could say that touchpoint vs. trackpoint is a thing of personal preference (though from what I see around most people with touchpad only laptops use mouse if they can help it, going even to such ridiculous means as using minimouse on the smooth surface of the laptop (when "on the move") next to touchpad; otoh people who have trackpoints often use them even if notebook sits on the desk in their home)

BUT...when it comes to netbooks...touchpads on them are borderline unuseable due to small size. Trackpoint still works well in such small form factor...

Re:No clit?! (2, Interesting)

karnal (22275) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505273)

Most of the business class notebooks I've used at my employer - All dells, a few ibms - every one has a trackpoint style device.

To be honest though - the IBMs seem to work better. The ones on the early dells (c600/610) had a manufacturing problem in the keyboard that would make the mouse fly all over the screen after the keyboard heated up from normal use and warped the sensor underneath.

The T42 I'm using now has an awesome trackpoint - and I used to swear by these and never use the touchpad. Since the implementation in the dells seems to be less... I don't know.. refined, I find myself actually used to the touchpad now.

Re:No clit?! / patents (1)

the_povinator (936048) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505471)

I heard someone say that IBM has a patent on trackpoints and is somehow stopping other companies from using them. Presumably they passed the rights to this in some form to Lenovo with the laptop business, though.

Re:No clit?! / patents (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505537)

Well, then Lenovo could just give another model more classic/non trendy look and...a trackpoint...

Re:No clit?! (1)

Hektor_Troy (262592) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505511)

Well ... personally I stay away from using laptops that only have those, if I can't use a mouse with them.

I really, really, really cannot stand them. It's just way too much like using a joystick, and joysticks aren't supposed to be used for that.

Patent FUD? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24504111)

Perhaps MS explicitly or implicitly threatened Lenovo with patent infringement if it tried to sell a Linux-based product in the US. More likely than not, MS patents would only be enforceable in the US.

I'm not saying any MS patents are really worth anything, but large businesses would bend over backwards (or forwards?) to avoid lawsuits.

I would think that... (1)

knarf (34928) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504395)

...there would be some business for an enterprising American to act as a proxy buyer for Europeans who are tired of being overcharged for consumer electronics. Even with shipping and import duties it is usually much less expensive to buy stuff in the US than over here in Europe, but more and more US retailers refuse to do business 'overseas'. The same goes for many sellers on auction-sites. Which I find particularly strange as it is not that hard to use an escrow-service to make sure both parties keep to the deal.

There are companies which provide something like this service but they charge so much that it negates the advantage of buying in the US...

ARM Laptop? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504481)

When is someone going to release a laptop with a Cortex A8/9 CPU? If you build it from the same sorts of components as the Pandora console, but a better keyboard, a bit more RAM, and slight bigger screen then you could keep the power consumption and cost really low. Of course, it wouldn't run Windows, but since hardware manufacturers are starting to remember a time when software allowed them to differentiate their products, maybe this isn't a bad thing...

So XP hasn't been discontinued (2, Interesting)

Kazoo the Clown (644526) | more than 6 years ago | (#24504867)

So now XP's $399. And you get a free computer with it. Considering how much Vista costs, that sounds like a pretty good deal...

bacardi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24505311)

looks like i will go buy my notebooks to america. buy 4, get plane ticket for free, still make money.
included: free adrenalin on the border where they can legally take the notebooks from you without any reason. (hey, you'd still happy for not ending up in the luxurious guantanamo hotel, indefinitelly, legally and secretly!)
america these days, cheap and dangerous!:)
buying notebooks in america - it's like the migration of salmon! :)

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Centrino2 support (1)

proxima (165692) | more than 6 years ago | (#24505679)

Lenovo also isn't offering the latest version of the Thinkpad T/X series (T400, T500, X200) in Linux, yet. I imagine the primary reason is that Intel hasn't yet written drivers for the Intel 5100 wireless chipset.

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