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Apple Sued For Turning Workers Into Slaves

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the waiting-for-a-jon-ives-designed-prison dept.

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SwiftyNifty writes "Apple employees are putting together a class action lawsuit for not receiving overtime pay. A Lawsuit filed Monday in California seeks class action status alleging that Apple denied technical staffers required overtime pay and meal compensation in violation of state law. Filed in the US District Court for Southern California, the complaint claims that many Apple employees are routinely subjected to working conditions resembling indentured servitude, or 'modern day slaves,' for lack of better words."

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who pays a cultist? (5, Funny)

evilkasper (1292798) | more than 5 years ago | (#24508905)

cultists don't get payed

Re:who pays a cultist? (5, Funny)

rodney dill (631059) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509019)

iMhotep... iMhotep... iMhotep...

STFU or go back to open source you whiners !! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509279)

Steven don't need to stinkin' whiners. If you don't like the PAY, go back to your open source life. Live of the fumes of Linux's excrement sitting at the bottom end of your computer.

Re:who pays a cultist? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509321)

I'd so mark you funny if I had mod points.

Re:who pays a cultist? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509083)

YVAN EHT NOIJ

No, *THESE* are slaves (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24508909)

If you think YOU'RE a slave, try working in a iPod factory in China [msn.com] for a while. And be glad Apple at least hasn't outsourced you [businessweek.com]....yet.

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (2, Insightful)

Zymergy (803632) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509027)

Exactly, try to imagine *this* lawsuit in CHINA.... (ROFL)
The same thing is happening to the American Auto Industry.... But SUV's don't fit into shipping containers so easily, so the industry settles for Mexico (rather than China) for cheap non-EEOC non-ADA non-EPA (etc...) production labor and closes as many of their (often union labor run) US plants as they can get away with.
Hooray NAFTA! (/sarcasm)

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (4, Insightful)

oyenstikker (536040) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509095)

Honda, Toyota, and Subaru seem happy to build cars in the US.

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (4, Insightful)

Notquitecajun (1073646) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509137)

Same with BMW. Great irony - it's cheaper for foreign auto makers to assemble here in the USA than it is for the Big Three...mostly because of overbearing union activity. The American auto industry needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. It's probably going to happen with one of the new electric car manufacturers, but there's room here for a new American auto company if someone wants to risk the billions+ $$ investment to do it from scratch.

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (5, Informative)

fprintf (82740) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509345)

So how does this compare, to BMW for example, where their German workforce is also highly unionized? Have they essentially done the same thing as the U.S. automakers, essentially shipping jobs away from heavy regulations in favor of lighter ones?

A quick Google search http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=bmw+unionization+U.S.+plants [google.com] tells me that the U.S. plant is non-unionized but pays competitive wages. What this doesn't say is how their non-wage costs, benefits and retirement for example, compare with their unionized force in German and with the Big 3.

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509155)

Yes, but look at the states they build in. They are non Union right to work states. The real issue is that Unions are now chocking their very businesses to death.

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509029)

A more apt comparison would be the working conditions at the iPod factory vs the working conditions at other jobs available in the area. Maybe the iPod factory is a great job considering the alternatives the workers face.

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (3, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509079)

try working in a iPod factory in China

Yes, they are working 15-hour days and making "only" $50/month and living in shared dorms. But before they moved to the factory, they were still working 15-hour days as subsistence farmers, making no money, and living in squalor.

So while I wouldn't trade my life for theirs (as an understatement), their lives (and the lives of their families) are appreciably BETTER - not worse - due to Apple's contractor's factory.

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (5, Insightful)

KeepQuiet (992584) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509331)

.... their lives (and the lives of their families) are appreciably BETTER - not worse - due to Apple's contractor's factory.

The point you make is the exact point all corporations make in order to exploit cheap foreign labor. "Well, their lives sucked, so let us pay them peanuts, then they must be happy"

Also it is beyond my understanding that someone tells us that what is being done is good for them without seeing there, talking to anyone working there. Don't you think it is way too arrogant to "know" what is good for them?

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509377)

actually when you're working as a subsistence farmer, you're at least growing your own food so you don't have to waste the crap pay you get on buying food from someone else. the working conditions, while they might not be great on a farm, are a damn sight healthier than they are in an electronics factory. i don't think your argument that their lives are better simply because they bring home money instead of food is very well thought out.

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (1, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509085)

Come on, it's the Age of Hyperbole! Get on board the train!

In an age where fools routinely think the Patriot Act has turned the United States into a police state resembling Nazi Germany, it's just another symptom of our spoiled culture having absolutely no sense of historical perspective.

(And yes, I'm not a fan of many of the provisions of the patriot act, but if you think it affects any significant number of people in any practical way, then you are deluded)

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509117)

The iSlave is born!

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (1)

rhyder128k (1051042) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509173)

Steve's newest invention: the iWhip. He's going to make whipping people cool again. Cut to a pic of a man in a black Polo neck shouting, "Faster, faster! I want more shiny things! No one goes home before I get my shiny things!!!".

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (3, Funny)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509167)

If you think YOU'RE a slave, try working in a iPod factory in China for a while.

Or, worse yet, try playing football for Manchester United...

Re:No, *THESE* are slaves (1)

gnasher719 (869701) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509175)

If you think YOU'RE a slave, try working in a iPod factory in China [msn.com] for a while.

That story came out in about 2006. When it was published, the newspaper wrote "lots of complaints were made about the amount of overtime". The actual report said "lots of complaints because sometimes there wasn't enough overtime available for everyone".

News... (5, Insightful)

maztuhblastah (745586) | more than 5 years ago | (#24508925)

You know for all the flak we give the traditional media, at least they don't have headlines like this.

Not properly dispensing overtime pay is not the same thing as slavery, and the disconnect between the inflammatory headline and TFA is appalling.

On a lighter note, the CAPTCHA for me is unionize.

Re:News... (1)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509259)

You know for all the flak we give the traditional media, at least they don't have headlines like this.

Yeah, they just have headlines like this [rawstory.com] instead. And they focus on Paris Hilton and/or Britney Spears at a time when our country is at war.

Thank god for PBS.....

Re:News... (5, Insightful)

ccguy (1116865) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509353)

Not properly dispensing overtime pay is not the same thing as slavery,

Yours is one of many posts saying the same thing (and getting +5 insightful).

Why are you guys focusing on bashing the headline instead on the actual problem, which is that highly skilled people are working over time for nothing?

This IS a serious problem because,
- It is so common in the industry that there aren't lots of alternatives.
- The more they work the more others (even in other countries) are forced to work.
- Quitting is not a serious option unless you are rich and work for sport.

Slaves, eh? (4, Insightful)

qoncept (599709) | more than 5 years ago | (#24508927)

Maybe these people need to talk with someone who has actually been enslaved before they claim they were treated the same way. They should be compensated appropriately for their time, but the shock value of using the term "slave" is pretty ridiculous.

Re:Slaves, eh? (-1, Troll)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509343)

How racist is the culture at Apple? Do they give appropriate preferences based on race? Are employees of color subject to these greater working hours? This might give them more weight for the slavery argument, otherwise it's just blowing smoke to try to borrow credibility at the expense of the Civil Rights Movement.

Slashdotted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24508929)

Christ.. This quickly??!.. Server not available.

Re:Slashdotted (2, Funny)

joelwest (38708) | more than 5 years ago | (#24508941)

Actually the page was not available 30 minutes ago..not that I am implying the someone else would want that page taken down... Ok yes I am implying it strongly!

Re:Slashdotted (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509009)

I just read the article ... 3 minutes ago, so "they" weren't doing a good job.

Anyhow, the article only mentioned one person (and reference retail employees), but he is/was an hourly employee, not salaried.

Re:Slashdotted (2, Funny)

SimonGhent (57578) | more than 5 years ago | (#24508999)

Christ.. This quickly??!.. Server not available

It never ceases to amaze me that any sites get slashdotted considering how obvious it is that very few posters ever RTFA, let alone the previous comments to a story...

In this case I guess it's all the /. Apple fanboyz keeping the site down. It's a conspiracy, you mark my words.

He quit. (4, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 5 years ago | (#24508951)

Nobody hunted him down and made him return to the job; he's not a slave, QED.

-jcr

Help! Help! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24508955)

I'm being repressed!

Slavery? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24508957)

'Slavery' seems like far too extreme of a word the 'indentured servitude' is slightly less inaccurate. And concerning 'servitude' the 13th amendment only prohibits "involuntary servitude". These people can quit if they would like.

Queue the jokes, and something serious... (2, Insightful)

apathy maybe (922212) | more than 5 years ago | (#24508963)

I've already seen a "joke" about cultists (it was crap, I'm expecting better), any more?

But yeah, a random comment, capitalism sucks.

Seriously, people often don't have a real choice (the freedom to starve...) when it comes to signing contracts, especially in countries (such as the USA) where significant workers rights aren't enshrined in law.

In this case, it appears that the workers signed contracts which said that they wouldn't get paid an hourly rate, which means that they don't get overtime. Which means (at least in this case), that they can get over worked for nothing.

And that is a problem (I've heard it is a very big problem in Japan generally).

Basically (and I'm taking off my anarchist hat for a minute), workers rights do require regulation in a capitalist economy, otherwise they get screwed.

Re:Queue the jokes, and something serious... (4, Insightful)

ari_j (90255) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509067)

The US and, in particular, California are a far cry from not having any significant workers' rights enshrined in law. Also, none of these people were above working elsewhere if the pay they got at Apple was really that awful for the hours they were putting in. Slavery and indentured servitude take away that choice. Capitalism doesn't suck. People bitching about their dream job not paying overtime sucks.

Re:Queue the jokes, and something serious... (5, Insightful)

Notquitecajun (1073646) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509089)

Communism sucks worse. It's called working on a salary - the expectation is to do the job, and get paid for doing the job. Yeah, working for a big corporation can suck at times because to really get ahead there you have to do OYOT stuff, but that's something that society's most productive - and essential - members will ALWAYS do.

That being said, state law typically trumps any/all contract law - if the contract signed was illegal, then you're not held to it.

I don't get paid for showing up to work per hour. I get paid to work and do a job.

We're in America - we're free to fail, and I think that people don't like that sometimes - they felt they are owed for simply trying. You're not. Hence the complaints about stupid stuff like this where people FEEL "trapped" when they're not in it as much as they think they are. Successful people don't whine about their circumstances - they go out and try to change them.

Re:Queue the jokes, and something serious... (2, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509267)

"Successful people don't whine about their circumstances - they go out and try to change them."

And this is why the US races to the bottom on workers rights and pay.

There's more to life than work, and being coerced into working hundreds of extra hours a month because you don't have much choice (everywhere does it) and "that's what you do if you want to succeed". It's a very quick way to have an overworked and underpaid population with all the money staying at the top.

Europe manages to be competitive with the US and yet we work less hours and (due to exchange rates) usually get paid more.

Successful countries don't need a slave economy.

Re:Queue the jokes, and something serious... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509361)

"We're in America - we're free to fail"

If you're a little guy, sure. But if you're a company that's "too big to fail", like Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Bear Stearns, etc, then the socialism kicks in and you get bailed out.

Re:Queue the jokes, and something serious... (1)

EastCoastSurfer (310758) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509201)

Well, they didn't have to work at Apple. If working there was so bad then why didn't they just find other jobs?

What worker rights do you want enshrined into law?

Re:Queue the jokes, and something serious... (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509269)

Seriously, people often don't have a real choice (the freedom to starve...) when it comes to signing contracts, especially in countries (such as the USA) where significant workers rights aren't enshrined in law.

I'm not sure what your alternative would be? If people didn't have a "work or starve" choice, why would they work? Sure, some people would work anyway - but huge numbers wouldn't.

workers rights do require regulation in a capitalist economy, otherwise they get screwed.

I think that is true, but it can be over-done. Germany and France, for example. As bad as the economy gets in the US, we don't have 25% unemployment among our young people - though things have been improving in Germany quite a bit.

Re:Queue the jokes, and something serious... (1)

dontPanik (1296779) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509293)

workers rights do require regulation in a capitalist economy, otherwise they get screwed.

Well the regulation in this case is that the company is being sued through the legislation system.
The force of Capitalism is ensuring that these workers have the ability to hire some lawyer and squeeze their company for money.

random comment, capitalism sucks.

Random comment: I love Capitalism.

Re:Queue the jokes, and something serious... (1)

u38cg (607297) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509359)

WOrker's rights don't need protecting. In every country around the world where development has taken place, working conditions improve over time independently of regulation. If smart, flexible employees are of any value to you, you have to compete for them, and labour is a market like any other. The only people who end up getting screwed are those too stupid or feckless to find a worthwhile career.

Considering the state... (0)

Notquitecajun (1073646) | more than 5 years ago | (#24508969)

Probably means they worked a regular 40-hour/week schedule. Of course, were they actually WORKING?

Sorry, but the jab at the "left coast" was a little too easy here. It IS Taxifornia, after all...

Overexaggerate Much? (4, Insightful)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 5 years ago | (#24508977)

Indentured Servitude [wikipedia.org]: An indentured servant is a form of debt bondage worker, in which the indentured individual is intentionally, unethically and illegally deprived of their human rights, their civil rights and their personal freedom and liberty.

Unfortunately TFA is Slashdotted right now so I can't read all of the details, but if the summary is anything to go by, I really, really doubt Apple was forcing these guys to work due to debt and/or was holding them captive. What they did do was make their workers work OT without paying them correctly, which is an inexcusably naughty practice, but it's hardly indentured servitude, slavery, or any other form of bondage.

Furthermore this shit is fairly common, Apple isn't the first company or the last company to stiff their employees on OT. That doesn't make it right and certainly knocks Apple down a few pegs in my own eyes, but get some perspective here people.

Re:Overexaggerate Much? (1)

rsmith-mac (639075) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509071)

And while I'm at it, what the heck is up with CmdrTaco and stupid summaries [slashdot.org]? He's been on a roll lately posting summaries that don't match the article or are blown well out of proportion. Usually he's one of the better editors.

Re:Overexaggerate Much? (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509241)

CmdrTaco doesn't write the summaries. He just writes the "from the clever inside joke dept." part. In this particular case, SwiftyNifty wrote the summary.

Indentured Servitude? (1)

Icarium (1109647) | more than 5 years ago | (#24508983)

Huh? Working conditions aside, how does this in any way resemble slavery or indentured servitude? If your job is that bad, or you feel like you're being screwed over, find another one. By all means give your employer a bloody nose (financially speaking) while you're at it.

Slaves had no choices, Apple's employees do. To compare the two situations is mildy disgusting.

Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24508991)

I find it interesting that in this and on other forums discussing this case people are so quick to blame the workers for getting screwed out of overtime.

IMHO, a thorough investigation needs to happen. If Apple did anything wrong they need to be held accountable. If they didn't that should come out too.

Cry me a river (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24508997)

"Lead plaintiff David Walsh was employed by Apple as a network engineer from 1995 until 2007. His complaint says he was often required to work more than 40 hours per week, miss meals, and spend his evenings and even entire weekends on call without any overtime pay or meal compensation. He fielded technical support calls that often came after 11 pm."

Sounds like a typical work week for me. I don't get overtime pay or meal compensation either. And I don't get a free iPod or iPhone as a Christmas gift.

Re:Cry me a river (1, Informative)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509355)

I've been in the same boat as you in the past. When I've worked for a large corporation, I got paid for forty hours. Overtime in my case was included, only because I was low on the totem pole (Engineer I), but it didn't kick in until the 48th hour of work. So I was expected at times to work 8 hours of unpaid overtime each week. Was it often that way? No, but it did happen. That's the way a salaried job works. These guys need to go back and read the contract they signed.

Interesting how the URL of the article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509003)

...ends in .aspx

My Wife's A Teacher (5, Insightful)

Illbay (700081) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509033)

She and her colleagues have "X" number of contract days for which they must report to work.

However of late, the practice has begun of additional "nonmandatory" meetings, training sessions, and general workdays. You know, "for the children." This has grown to the point where she is probably present "at work" during about 12 to 15 days of her summer vacation. None of this time is compensated in any way; in fact, with gasoline costs as they are, you may readily say SHE is paying for this privilege.

Oh, it's "not mandatory," but it is "expected" by the administrators, who like to boast to their peers about the amount of "donated time" they're getting out of their teachers. "Failure to cooperate" can lead to subtle retaliation.

My point is that this isn't "slavery" but it is d*mned inconsiderate. If you want to climb the "ladder of success," don't do it on the backs of your "underlings."

Re:My Wife's A Teacher (3, Informative)

kidgenius (704962) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509251)

Um, speaking as someone whose mother is a teacher, sister is a teacher, and sister-in-law is a teacher, you are paid for your summer break. You usually will receive a large check at the beginning of the summer break to cover you for the summer. So, you are being paid, just like if you were in school. So what if you have to attend some trainings, etc. You have already been compensated at the beginning of the summer. She is not paying for the privilege, she was paid previously. That money is basically given with the assumption that through the summer, you will be creating lesson plans and such for the next year. Going to a training fits into that scope. If you worry about paying for gas and everything, look into taking that as a deduction/credit on your taxes at the current rate of ~$0.50/mile. I know that as an engineer, when I have had to travel to facilities other than the one I have a desk at, I get reimbursed by the government. Now, don't think I am disparaging teachers. I'm not. They usually are at the schools for an hour an a half before class, and usually 2 after, in addition to taking work home like grading papers, tests, etc. Add to that, that they have to deal with a bunch of kids that usually don't want to listen to them, you get a situation where teachers are not compensated enough in my eyes.

Re:My Wife's A Teacher (1)

pimpimpim (811140) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509311)

My mother who is a teacher had the same, about 20 years ago. Due to some other external factors, she ended up completely overworked and ended up on sick compensation for what should have been the last 20 years of her teaching career. Which is a shame, because she loves teaching to kids. The work atmosphere that she described to me was exactly like what you describe, colleagues shitting about how much they "do" for school, after work meetings at 7 o'clock in the evening, etc. For an elementary school! I hope your wife can find a way to limit this shit and manages to say no when they ask the things she doesn't want to. In my case, part of it was actually a nice thing, because I was a 11 year old kid on the same school and was driving home with her so had to wait a few hours every week. And one of the teachers had his own PC lap with Apple Macintoshes, Texas instruments, MSX, ZX81, and a few C64s. I didn't play much outside ;)

Re:My Wife's A Teacher (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509341)

I'm very sorry that your well paid strong union backed wife has an expectation from her superiors to maintain and improve her level of competence at the cost of her time. They're supplying the facilities and materials all she has to do is show up and look like shes learning just like her students.

Is everyone a freakin slave these days? (4, Insightful)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509035)

Good god it appears to be the phrase of the year "We are just modern slaves". Top of the shop of abuse of the term is Sepp "I'm a nutter" Blatter who in reference to someone who is paid about $300,000 A WEEK said that it was just like modern slavery [google.co.uk].

These people aren't slaves because.... THEY COULD QUIT. It might be tough, it might be hard, but either quit and get another job or work out a constructive way of fixing it.

Don't compare it to the physical ownership of another human being and the sort of destruction of human rights that entails.

Slaves? (1)

PJCRP (1314653) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509057)

Last I heard, slaves didn't get paid.
And were kept on the grounds at all times...
And were usually fed to stop them from dying...
And were usually used for sex or manual labour...

40 Hours is slavery? I do 56 hours a week for probably less money than they do. I don't complain about my human rights being deprived :-[

Such Insensitivity (5, Funny)

segedunum (883035) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509059)

Apple made it perfectly clear in their contracts that they would be compensated by merely getting excited about the thought of working near the place where such secret and beautiful products are created. Even just working for Apple should be compensation enough. Hell, you should be able to get your date off merely by telling her you work for Apple.

I take it these people didn't get the memo. Do these people not know that?

cry me a river... (1)

moracity (925736) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509069)

It's called working. If you are a salaried worker, you are exempt from overtime. Being salaried has nothing to do with being classified as management. I am a non-management employee and receive a salary.

The up-side of being salaried is that I am not tied to a time clock. Some weeks I work less than 40 hours, some weeks I work more. I keep track of what I work and take time off as needed to compensate for extra hours.

No one is forcing these people to continue their employment at Apple. I'm not sure this story is really worth discussing.

Re:cry me a river... (1)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509223)

In my experience, lots of managers (particularly in small businesses) think that "salary" means the employee agrees to receive a flat rate per week, and overtime magically never applies. It's surprising to see that level of cluelessness in a company the size of Apple (hence the accusation that it was intentional, presumably relying on the employees' ignorance of wage law) because of the legal ramifications, but it's fairly common to find "salaried" low-level workers in the workforce as a whole. Unless your job is on the federal list of "exempt" professions, you are entitled to overtime pay for all hours worked over 40/week regardless of whether you're paid hourly or not.

Prices (1)

Necreia (954727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509073)

How else is Apple going to keep their prices so low and affordable? (/sarcasm for the denser ones)

damnit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509115)

too early for the +5 'insightful's and 'interesting's. Maybe I should just stick around till 10 when all the regular slashdotters have settled in at their workplaces

Salary or Wage? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509119)

The real question is whether he was paid a salary or an hourly wage. It's not only management employees (as TFA claims) that are exempt from the Fair Labor Standards Act. Pretty much all white collar salaried jobs are. In which case, no overtime for you!

Isn't this par for the course in IT (1)

QuantumHobbit (976542) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509125)

I don't work in IT so I'm basing this off "Office Space", but isn't unpaid overtime a given in IT? I'm always hearing horror stories of programmers working 100+ hours a week to meet a deadline. Not that this being commonplace this makes it o.k.

Re:Isn't this par for the course in IT (1)

Coraon (1080675) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509365)

As IT through your usually compensated some way through. When I worked for a company during the bubble we got OT, when I worked for NRT we got time in lieu, when I worked for shoppers drug mart they told us we were getting time in lieu, but if we tried to take it (like I did for my wedding) they just fired you. And at where I work now we get overtime and time in lieu, basically you get 1.5 times pay and you get a day off for the future, its actually really good.

This is how it really is... (1)

jskline (301574) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509139)

Apple employees should just suck it up and take it. You don't like it, go somewhere else to work. Apple I am sure is strongly considering moving the company to parts Europe so they don't have to deal with the likes of these over-paid labor sensitive people here in the US.

Not to mention, because it's getting too hard to lower wages and earnings, labor costs are cheaper in Europe and Mexico. So you know this is definitely on the table.

Congress I'm sure is still giving them their blessing to send those jobs to China, India, Mexico and where ever the want. There are still plenty of people in the US that will buy these foreign products without issue.

Re:This is how it really is... (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509195)

You really think costs are lower in Europe? Really?

I mean, they probably are in Eastern Europe, but not in Germany/France/U.K./etc.

pathetic (4, Interesting)

Lord Ender (156273) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509141)

Equating earning $100k and working in an air conditioned office longer than you expected with SLAVERY disparages the memories of those who were whipped to near death while working in fields, and paid nothing.

I think the court should order those workers to work on plantations without pay for a while, then reconsider their use of the word "slavery."

the new neocon slashdot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509157)

Well, it looks like slashdot's transformation to neocon philosophy is now complete. 90% of the posts thus far have been blaming the victims, making excuses for Apple, or suggesting that they be happy it isn't much worse.

I remember when slashdot was full of smart people with a liberal philosophy, not a bunch douchebag flag waving capitalists.

Re:the new neocon slashdot (4, Funny)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509277)

I remember when slashdot was full of smart people with a liberal philosophy

I don't remember that. I remember a slashdot full of nerds... all the way down.

Delicious (5, Funny)

Rie Beam (632299) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509161)

"Coke Cola introduced a new, delicious Lime-twisted beverage today, creating a Holocaust of flavor formerly unknown to this world until today. The lines of people at convenience stores remind one of cattle awaiting an unknown fate, only these cattle were people, and the fate a tasty, carbonated beverage."

Any mirrors - the site is /.'ed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24509179)

I would like to read the article.

Re:Any mirrors - the site is /.'ed (3, Funny)

rugatero (1292060) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509307)

I would like to read the article.

I'm sorry, could you rephrase that? I'm not sure I quite grasp what you mean.

Title? (1)

areusche (1297613) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509189)

Geeze! They just didn't pay overtime wages. Slaves would be making them work after they were off the time clock. I wasn't paid overtime for my 43 hours of weekly service once. You know what I did? I went to my HR lady and told her what happened. Two weeks later there was a mysterious 32.50$ in my paycheck.

You post this to Slashdot? (1)

harris s newman (714436) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509191)

Per Wikipedia [slashdot.org]: Slaves are held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase, or birth, and are deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to receive compensation (such as wages) in return for their labor. As such, slavery is one form of unfree labor. Uh, so how are they being held against their will? They have to work? No compensation?

Re:You post this to Slashdot? (1)

Freeside1 (1140901) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509253)

Yes, it's definitely not slavery (hell, the guy in the article worked for Apple for 12 years under such horrible conditions?)

But it's still not nice of Apple

this happened before, and it wasnt good. (1)

nimbius (983462) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509205)

IBM essentially lost a class action over wages as well (it was slashdotted). the result? everyone took a 15% paycut after their substantial backpay.

considering you will be backtaxed as well for those unpaid wages, is it still worth it?

Just until the suite is resolved,, (5, Informative)

japhering (564929) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509215)

Just wait until they win their suit..Apple will pay the court required payments.. then convert all those employee to an hourly status...at a base pay cut design to make it so that all the overtime is required to make it back to what they were getting in salary in the first place.

For the IBM employeesu in California that sued for the same thing.. the class won $56M and everyone in the class was reclassified as hourly at a 15% pay cut, because based on IBM's calculations that would keep the wage payments at the same level after the switch from salary to hourly. And oh by the way.. IBM applied the reclassification across all American employees in the same job category, but not the class action payments.

Geeks get overtime pay? (1)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509231)

I haven't had guaranteed overtime pay at any salaried technical job, ever. And I'm pushing 50. The only time I've gotten overtime is on contract, or during deadline crunch and even there it's something the company does because they don't expect to meet a deadline otherwise. On the other hand, I've only once been officially asked to work more than 40 hours without overtime... and the company was working out of bankruptcy at the time.

Welcome to Corporate America (5, Insightful)

UID30 (176734) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509299)

... where, unless you are upper management, you are getting the shaft. Being a developer, I particularly like how (at my company anyway) our sales staff pulls down Director level salary and obscene commissions on the gross (NOT net) product they push out the door ... even when it means a loss for the company.

I remember back years ago where there were a few movements to form programmers unions ... doomed to failure from the inception. Programmers don't need huge entrenched installations to do our work like, say, UAW workers do ... and since every cocky high school kid who has churned out "Hello World" in Visual Basic thinks they can do real development ... and the typical management position that developers are an easily replaced commodity.

I dunno. I'm just old and jaded. Always do the best work you are capable of doing, and if you feel you deserve better compensation when your company is either unwilling (don't see you as a valuable asset) or unable (poor decisions have left them so fubar that they can't) then it is time to move on. Possibly more important ... if you are unhappy doing what you are doing, forget the compensation and move ASAP.

Suing your own company for a perceived lack of compensation is the best way to build resentment and to nail the coffin shut on your future with that, or any other, company.

it's like the word "terrorism" (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509335)

completely overused in completely wrong contexts to the point of saturation and irrelevancy

no, dear submitard, what apple is being sued for is not "slavery"

really

Erroneous wording by Swifty (1)

jscotta44 (881299) | more than 5 years ago | (#24509379)

Swifty should slow down a bit. He is quoted as saying, "Apple employees" implying that multiple people are involved. While, in reality, the suit is by a single person that is trying to make the suit a class action one.

Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill!

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