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ISS Gets New Recycling Gear, Ready For Larger Crew

CmdrTaco posted more than 6 years ago | from the yay-for-august dept.

NASA 158

TnGoastiiaiu submitted a space.com story that expands on coverage we've had earlier about improvements being made to the ISS to increase crew capacity. He writes "ISS gets new recycling gear that transforms human waste to drinking water. Some of the water will be used to get Oxygene, too. This way it will soon be possible to host more crew members. " Also, someone needs to smack the webmaster over there for putting a background texture behind the text. It's pretty unreadable along the left hand side of the screen.

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Waste hydrogen? (2, Funny)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509629)

Also, someone needs to smack the webmaster over there for putting a background texture behind the text. It's pretty unreadable along the left hand side of the screen.

Looks just fine in Safari and Firefox, both on OS X... Sounds like someone needs to check their settings/browser choice before setting off to "smack" anyone. :)
As for trasforming human waste (just urine, according TFA) into drinking water, well, I'm just mighty glad I didn't choose to become an astronaut. I did wonder about this part, though:

It can also be used to feed the station's U.S.-built oxygen generator, which uses electrolysis to split liquid water into breathable oxygen and waste hydrogen.

Waste hydrogen? I would have expected them to have some use for that.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

utnapistim (931738) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509711)

I'm not sure they have no use for waste hydrogen. Still, it may be that actually processing that hydrogen is (at the moment) prohibitive.
We're looking here at having a stable installation, designed for imponderability, that's easily operated, lightweight, is shock-resistant, doesn't take much space and a bunch of other things.

If they start using the technology, I'm sure they'll come up with something efficient for the extra hydrogen though ...

Re:Waste hydrogen? (2, Informative)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510343)

Generally, that hydrogen will require oxygen(e) to be useful, and they're splitting the oxygen off for other uses already.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (2, Funny)

gnick (1211984) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510755)

Generally, that hydrogen will require oxygen(e) to be useful, and they're splitting the oxygen off for other uses already.

Exactly - To use hydrogen, you typically either compress it or burn it. Compressing it is a lot of trouble and burning it is the exact opposite of extracting breathable oxygene* (a major goal).

* Oxygene - Just like regular oxygen, but now with more electrolytes!

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

Orange Crush (934731) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510563)

Hydrogen's fairly useless without a powerful compressor able to pressurize it and stuff it into tanks. Besides, we're not talking about lots and lots of hydrogen. Water is something like 89% oxygen by weight. It's actually a pretty convenient source of lots of breathable oxygen without fussing with compressed tanks as long as you have plenty of power to crack it with.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510679)

For the recycling of waste water...why not just put everyone in "Still Suits"....

I hear those work great on Dune....

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510769)

By the way some of my co workers smell I assume they already wear stillsuits.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (2, Interesting)

gnick (1211984) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510833)

I believe that Still Suits were the original goal. Unfortunately, NASA ran into some copyright / prior art issues with Frank Herbert's estate and they had to resort to drinking reprocessed pee.

Also, there are already a few posts (including FP) that include some "Eww, yuck" content. Pretty much all of us are drinking reprocessed pee to some degree. NASA's just getting efficient about it. Accept it - It's OK. Everything used to be something else. Even you.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

UncleTogie (1004853) | more than 6 years ago | (#24511141)

Unfortunately, NASA ran into some copyright / prior art issues with Frank Herbert's estate and they had to resort to drinking reprocessed pee.

Wouldn't that last run afoul of a certain Kevin Costner property [imdb.com] as well?

Re:Waste hydrogen? (4, Informative)

sunking2 (521698) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510719)

Booked for ones of the last shuttle launches is the Sabatier unit. This takes CO2 from the scrubbers and H from the OGA and produces H2O and methane. The H2O is then fed back into the OGA, methane is dumped. Though not needed for the ISS to function, it's a testbed for a WPA -> OGA -> SAB process which through normal water intake by the astros would allow for >=80% of the oxygen needed for a Mars trip. Or so we hope. Until then the H is useless as just about anything you'd want it for requires O2 and it's rather dangerous to keep around. The OGA has been up there for a year or so. Every few months when a progress brings some bags of water we go through a week of activations. This was actually the big reason that they had to fix the solar arrays last year. The OGA needs a decent amount of power and typically runs only during day time. About 60 out of every 90 minutes.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (5, Funny)

dontPanik (1296779) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509825)

The page looks fine on IE too.

...Not that I use Internet Explorer or anything!

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510793)

It works fine on Opera 9.50 on Windows Vista Ultimate.

Yeah, I went there.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (4, Informative)

mrvan (973822) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509889)

Waste hydrogen? I would have expected them to have some use for that.

The obvious thing to do with hydrogen is to use it as fuel. But think about it: burning it would undo the electrolysis by consuming all the oxygen generated, so unless they are looking for a way to convert electricity into a chemical fuel, it isn't very useful...

if oxygen is scarcer than energy, burning stuff isn't a sensible thing to do

Re:Waste hydrogen? (4, Interesting)

LunaticTippy (872397) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510087)

You could still use it as fuel. Pressurize it using solar power and use it as an unburned positioning jet. If you're throwing it away anyway, you could get some use from it.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24510487)

Right, so you jettison the waste to create thrust :-)

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24510669)

One of my uncle is able to float a good 2 inches above the toilet when he jettison his waste.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (2, Interesting)

JesseMcDonald (536341) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510183)

The hydrogen could be used as "fuel" (reaction mass) in an ion- or plasma-style engine. No oxygen required, just lots of electricity.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (4, Insightful)

Jeff1946 (944062) | more than 6 years ago | (#24511071)

Best use is react with CO2 to form methane and water. Methane can be expelled thru resitojets (believe that is the right name) (electrically heated nozzles) to generate minor trust.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24509897)

Looks fine in IE and Firefox (3) in Windows...

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

Gewalt (1200451) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509917)

I'm not sure what Taco did wrong, but the page looks fine to me [tinypic.com] .

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

Smivs (1197859) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510115)

Re browsers: Just checked it (using XP) on I.E.7, Firefox, Safari and Opera and it rendered OK.
Guess someone's browser is not set right. You're not using something awful like I.E 5 or 6 are you? NOTHING works on them.
Try here [savethedevelopers.com] for something better.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

LMacG (118321) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510211)

Akshully, it looks fine in IE6 on XP pro. (I'm at work, I don't have a choice!!!!)

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510885)

Akshully...
--
Slightly disreputable, albeit gregarious

I think that your spell-checker is making fun of you by granting you that sig but missing Akshully != Actually. ;-)

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

bitty (91794) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510153)

He's probably running NoScript. You have to allow scripts from space.com for it to show up properly.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510329)

Exactly. But still, anyone using javascript for element alignment needs some smacking upside a head or two. Plus there is javascript from over ten different sources on that page. That's sad and scary. There should be a firefox extension that rates the trust worthiness of a site based upon things like the number of javascript sources, and the types of functions used. Feel free to tell me if such an extension exists and suggest other reasons for the smacking of heads.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24510451)

It displays fine in Firefox 3.0.1 with NoScript enabled.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (5, Funny)

hardburn (141468) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510467)

I think it's enormously ironic that CmdrTaco can criticize anyone for website design.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1, Offtopic)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 6 years ago | (#24511001)

Indeed. Although I do think he does a great job with the functional aspects, I usually view /. with the following style sheet. It helps me avoid that ginormous "white out" headache:

@charset "UTF-8";
/*
Name: user2.css
Version: 1.01
Author: me
Description: a css for tired li'l eyes...

*/

* {
background: Black !important;
color: #BF5FFF !important;
}

input, textarea, select {
background: Black !important;
color: #912CEE !important;
}

button, input[type="file"], input[type="submit"], input[type="button"], input[type="reset"] {
background: Black !important;
color: #912CEE !important;
}

a[href] {text-decoration: none !important; background: Black !important;
color: #7F9A65 !important;}
#a[href] img {border: thin solid #7171C6 !important;}

@media print {
* {
background: White !important;
color: Black !important;
}
}

Re:Waste hydrogen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24510955)

Also, someone needs to smack the webmaster over there for putting a background texture behind the text. It's pretty unreadable along the left hand side of the screen.

Looks just fine in Safari and Firefox, both on OS X... Sounds like someone needs to check their settings/browser choice before setting off to "smack" anyone. :)

Here as well, both with IE7 and FF3

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 6 years ago | (#24511059)

Jeez, they may do that with your drinking water right now.

The process is excellent. treated urine is perfectly safe to drink, and you can't tell it from any other water becasue after the treatment it IS water.

I agree with the hydrogen statement. Seems like they could be testing fuel cells, or hydrogen generators.

Re:Waste hydrogen? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24511091)

>Waste hydrogen? I would have expected them to have some use for that.

Probably not. It's not like there is any hydrogen shortage in the universe.

However, oxygen is another story. It's a bit of a necessity on the space station. Call us decadant, but some of us can't preform our duties properly without it.

Given that, do you really want to have a potentially oxygen-nabbing cylinder of hydrogen just sitting around the station?

The real question is... (4, Funny)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509631)

Are they bringing any freeze-dried potatoe?

Re:The real question is... (4, Funny)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509769)

I don't know about that, but they will get hydrogene as a byproduct.

Recycling Gear? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24509647)

I for one welcome a cold frothy drink of water.

Re:Recycling Gear? (1)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 6 years ago | (#24511089)

The way I first read the headline was much more appealing:

"ISS gets new recycling gear, ready for lager"

Yummie! (5, Funny)

SanderDJ (1004445) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509649)

* Transform human waste to drinking water
* ???
* Profit!

Re:Yummie! (1)

BitterOldGUy (1330491) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509895)

* Transform human waste to drinking water * ??? * Profit!

So that's why the Gnomes were collecting underpants!

Re:Yummie! (5, Funny)

yuriyg (926419) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510889)

* Transform human waste to drinking water
* Collect spice
* Profit!

Water into code? (5, Funny)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509659)

Some of the water will be used to get Oxygene [wikipedia.org]

Re:Water into code? (4, Funny)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509795)

Why not? Sometimes I turn beer into code.

Re:Water into code? (2, Funny)

LordEd (840443) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509995)

Friends don't let friends code drunk.

Re:Water into code? (0, Redundant)

dlaudel (1304717) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510177)

There is an ideal level at which to code: http://xkcd.com/323/ [xkcd.com]

Re:Water into code? (4, Funny)

sconeu (64226) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510431)

Or do mathematics.

Remember, math and alcohol don't mix. Please don't drink and derive.

Re:Water into code? (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510543)

Friends don't let friends code drunk.

What if they have to maintain someone else's Perl?

Re:Water into code? (2, Informative)

csnydermvpsoft (596111) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510657)

What if they have to maintain someone else's Perl?

Friends don't let friends code Perl, either.

Re:Water into code? (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510287)

Funny, I was thinking this [wikipedia.org] . I remember hearing one of the Oxygene tracks as a sound program on my Atari 600XL, back in the long ago. I don't know what they did, but it sure didn't sound like any of the other computerized music programs of the day. It sounded rich, like real instruments, and not like the flavourless tone of a simple synthethizer.

Oh man (0)

Erie Ed (1254426) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509669)

Someone quick que the quote from "dodgeball" about drinking one's own urine...

Re:Oh man (1)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510063)

Here ya go:

Necessary? It's not necessary that I drink my own urine, but it's sterile and I like how it tastes.

Oxygene (1)

masterz (143854) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509673)

What's Oxygene?

Re:Oxygene (4, Funny)

ettlz (639203) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509747)

It comes in a Jarre, with a slight whiff of cheese.

Re:Oxygene (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24509771)

The Oxygene in a Jarre part is funny, but the rest is just insulting.

Re:Oxygene (4, Funny)

johannesg (664142) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509791)

What's Oxygene?

It is one of the two types of Atomes that make up Watere. The other is Hydrogene.

If you have any other questions about Chemistrye, I'll be happy to answer them for you!

Re:Oxygene (1)

rah1420 (234198) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510341)

Look, ytte is written in Olde. It must bee fromm befor they invented Fpelling.

Re:Oxygene (1)

dunnius (1298159) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510975)

Perhaps the e is on the wrong end. So it should be e-oxygen, oxygen for the web.

Re:Oxygene (1)

tscheez (71929) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510057)

Designer label oxygen. Only the best for the astronauts.

Re:Oxygene (2, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510123)

No, you're thinking about iXygen.

What is oxygene? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24509677)

Is that the stuff that gets your clothes cleaner and takes wine out of carpet?

Re:What is oxygene? (1, Funny)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509731)

No, that would be OxyCLEAN.

Oxygene (4, Funny)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509681)

Jean-Michel Jarre songs are made of water? Who knew?

Re:Oxygene (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24510099)

No, weren't you reading? Human waste.

I smacked the webmaster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24509719)

He fell and knocked over the webserver.

Re:I smacked the webmaster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24509757)

Until we see the vid on youtube, it didn't happen.

I always thought... (4, Interesting)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509761)

the number of crew members aboard the ISS was limited by the size of the escape vehicle. [wikipedia.org]

Re:I always thought... (2, Interesting)

Ngarrang (1023425) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510017)

the number of crew members aboard the ISS was limited by the size of the escape vehicle. [wikipedia.org]

As did I. To wit, I figured they could just attached a second escape vehicle? But, aside from having to escape, the current system is limited in how much waste it can process, so limiting the number of active crew.

Re:I always thought... (3, Informative)

RetiredMidn (441788) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510023)

IIRC, they now have enough docking ports to park a second Soyuz.

Re:I always thought... (4, Interesting)

richdun (672214) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510205)

Yes, a second Soyuz is the key for escape (that's why capacity will be 6, instead of the original 7 I think that could fit in the X-38). But they've also been limited by sleeping arrangements, which the new Node 3 will provide, along with having all the labs up and running. While the station might have supported 6 crew members on just the Russian and US sections, things would have been very cramped without the EU and Japanese labs around to help pay for things... er... I mean... give them all things to do.

Re:I always thought... (1)

JCSoRocks (1142053) | more than 6 years ago | (#24511127)

PFF. Escape vehicles? We don't need any escape vehicles! This thing is indestructible. Nothing could go wrong. In other news, the ISS has been renamed the "Titanic Space Station".

Webmaster? (5, Insightful)

Swizec (978239) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509811)

Also, someone needs to smack the webmaster over there for putting a background texture behind the text. It's pretty unreadable along the left hand side of the screen.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't webmasters die along with the 90's?

Re:Webmaster? (1)

doti (966971) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510011)

I used to use the Read Easily [mozilla.org] Firefox extension, that adds a toolbar button and a hotkey (Ctrl-Z) to toggle styles on and off. Perfect for tiny fonts, bad colors, etc.

Now, Vimperator [mozdev.org] rendered many smaller extensions obsolete, I mapped the \ key to do it, with :map \ :invnum<CR>

Re:Webmaster? (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510931)

I use Opera where the site works.

Re:Webmaster? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24510475)

Well, if they are dead, who's mastering the web? Or was there a web uprising?

Re:Webmaster? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510631)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't webmasters die along with the 90's?

Crappy jobs never die, they're only given fancier titles. I figure about now it's called "Chief 3xW Presence Officer" or something like that. Certainly noone else understands what he's talking about without a translator...

Re:Webmaster? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24510887)

Well, this specific webmaster probably did, hence the terrible design!

I too rarely visit space.com due to the contrast headaches it seems to induce.

Jean Michel Jarre (1)

Spansh (219937) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509823)

Some of the water will be used to get Oxygene, too

Anything which extends the reach of this classic tune is good in my books, although how they're going to accomplish it with plain old H2O is curious.

Oxygene? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24509835)

Jean Michel Jarre will be most pleased!

Matrix in space! (1)

AioKits (1235070) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509925)

You think that's air your breathing...comrade?

Yuk! (1)

Smivs (1197859) | more than 6 years ago | (#24509941)

Drinking re-cycled urine...are they taking the piss?

Re:Yuk! (5, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510021)

All the water on Earth is essentially recycled urine at this point.

Re:Yuk! (2, Insightful)

Smivs (1197859) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510315)

All the water on Earth is essentially recycled urine at this point.

Oh shit!

Re:Yuk! (4, Funny)

Orange Crush (934731) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510623)

Oh shit!

That too.

The Russians already designed a simpler system (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24509943)

It did all the processing in the stomach, but they found it was only palatable to American beer drinkers.

"background texture behind the text" (1)

Britz (170620) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510013)

It looks fine to me. I use Iceweasel 3.0 (Debianized rebranded version of Firefox 3.0 and current Iceweasel version in Lenny).

Re:"background texture behind the text" (1)

truesaer (135079) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510131)

I'm guessing the person who actually needs to be smacked is taco for using some weird browser that doesn't render the page like any of the mainstream browsers...

Re:"background texture behind the text" (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510973)

Don't gnu mean Gnu/Iceweasel on Debian Gnu/Linux?

You mean oxygen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24510077)

It's used to get oxygen not "Oxygene"

background texture behind the text (1)

StrawberryFrog (67065) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510079)

Also, someone needs to smack the webmaster over there for putting a background texture behind the text. It's pretty unreadable along the left hand side of the screen.

Either they've fixed it already, or it works fine in Firefox 3 and IE 7, for me.

Re:background texture behind the text (1)

I'm not really here (1304615) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510481)

Simple - he's likely using no-script. Looks horrible to me without javascript turned on.

Background texture behind the text? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24510085)

Get a real browser, CmdrTaco. That website displays fine in Safari, Firefox and Opera.

This means you're probably using Internet Explorer, which means you're a Windows user. I'm sure other slashdoters will be happy to learn that (given the strong Linux/Apple bias of a lot of users).

Flavoured water (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24510169)

with flavours ranging from the last meal you had yesterday to the last meal your partner had yesterday.

Enhanced with probiotic bacteria that aid digestion.

Building cross platform web sites is (1)

xednieht (1117791) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510261)

apparently is rocket science lol

Drink recycled water (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510437)

Drink recycled water. It's good for the environment, and okay for you. ;)

heh.

Seriously though I'll keep trusting the natural rain cycle or distillation myself, not a filtering process.

Oxygene? (0, Redundant)

moosehooey (953907) | more than 6 years ago | (#24510461)

What the fuck is that?

Re:Oxygene? (4, Funny)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 6 years ago | (#24511023)

Thanks for being the first person to notice this and post about it.

Wahoo! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24510583)

I'm sure the guys up there are thrilled about drinking their own piss!

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could be too little electric power (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 6 years ago | (#24511083)

The bearings that rotate the left solar panels during the course of an orbit to maximize sun exposure are damaged. These bearings are similar to your CV Boot in an automobile. Without rotation power is cut by more than half. It is then not sufficient to power all the modules. They are looking at repairs, but this subsystem was really designed for repairs.

Larger Crew? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24511097)

Americans finally going to the ISS?

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