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McCain Campaign Offers Rewards For Turn-Key Comments

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the free-booze-for-edgar-allen-poe dept.

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According to a story at the Washington Post, John McCain's presidential campaign is offering more than moral suasion to fire people up for a McCain presidency; they're also offering ready-made snippets of rhetoric for interested supporters to supply under their own names in public comments to online news sources and forums. Such pre-written commentary by itself is neither new nor necessarily nefarious, but it seems a bit off-kilter that prolific commenters are eligible for rewards — not just campaign swag like hats and stickers, but higher-ticket items like a ride with McCain on his campaign bus. Probably a script could be whipped up to compare the canned suggestions on the site with "grassroots" comments on political news sites around the web.

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first! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516453)

first?

Re:first! (5, Funny)

snowraver1 (1052510) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516511)

Screw first posts, we have issues that need addressing:

John McCain has a comprehensive economic plan that will create millions of good American jobs, ensure our nation's energy security, get the government's budget and spending practices in order, and bring relief to American consumers. Read each of the sections below to learn how the McCain Economic Plan will help bring reform, prosperity and peace to America.

GIVE ME MONEY PLEASE!!!! *Sticks out hand*

Re:first! (5, Funny)

sudo (194998) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516639)

you have enough points for a McCain 2008 bumper sticker, a few more points and you can qualify for a McCain 2008 coffee mug

Re:first! (1)

BPPG (1181851) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517147)

Or, deposit the points to enter the raffle, where the grand prize is a John McCain 1962 AC Cobra with a V8 engine.

Re:first! (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516675)

GIVE ME MONEY PLEASE!!!! *Sticks out hand*

Dude, it doesn't work if you include that in your pre-made rhetoric.

Re:first! (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516773)

Slashdot is not in their list of Blog/NewsSites to which you can claim rewards for posting.

You'll need to use a browser that lets you rewrite forms to add Slashdot as a valid response.

Re:first! (5, Funny)

clem (5683) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516513)

first?

I hope for McCain's sake this isn't an example of the ready-made rhetoric. It lacks conviction. Also, it should really have McCain's name in the snippet.

Try something like the following:

McCain first!

See? Much better.

Re:first! (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516737)

You only have to query the /. comment database with something like[1]

SELECT COUNT(comment_id)
FROM comments
WHERE comment_text='Frist post'

to know that using a politician's name in a /. thread buys no bounce.
Better to tour Europe instead.

[1] I have never looked at slashcode

What? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516483)

Does this mean that people can now quote Fox News without having to deal with fair use rationale?

This is going to end badly (5, Insightful)

Benanov (583592) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516499)

As per the subject line, this is going to end badly.

I do, however, find it interesting that this astroturfing is being done so publicly. Before the sources were always hidden, as if the originators seemed ashamed of it.

Now they're acting as if it seems to be business as usual.

Are party supporters allowed to have their own opinion these days? Anecodatal evidence suggests that there is a hive mind forming.

Re:This is going to end badly (3, Insightful)

db32 (862117) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516571)

I had the joy of reading the current Republican voter survey thing. HOLY SHIT talk about weighted and loaded questions. It seems to me that the average modern Republican barely has a coherent thought let alone an opinion. (Don't get too full of yourselves you dirty liberals, we are all aware that you have opinions, you whine about them all the time, do precious little productive, and are otherwise full of stupid ideas.)

Re:This is going to end badly (2, Insightful)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516669)

The Democratic one is just as bad, this country is made up of idiots and these questions are designed to fool them.

Re:This is going to end badly (4, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517105)

Link to this Democratic voter survey, so we can think for ourselves?

Re:This is going to end badly (5, Funny)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516657)

Anecodatal evidence suggests that there is a hive mind forming.

The correct term is groupthink. You need to get on the same page as everybody else.

Re:This is going to end badly (3, Funny)

vonPoonBurGer (680105) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516979)

Mod parent +1 doubleplusgoodthink!

Re:This is going to end badly (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24517307)

No, this is no Borg collective. The problem the candidates have (both sides, this year) is that the arguments we (the people) have for supporting a candidate are not necessarily arguments that are useful for that candidate's strategy. This is an effort on the part of McCain's camp to limit what they consider the "noise" - if we spend time broadcasting their signal, how much time can we spend causing well-intentioned distractions?

Controlling supporters is a bigger issue this year than I've ever seen (admittedly, I've only been paying attention for a decade or so).

Prior Art (0)

Nymz (905908) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516887)

Rewarding people with points, for desired comments, has been going on publicly for years. Just look at Slashdot.
  • The dozen or so editors choose what topics we will talk about.
  • They have unlimited moderation points, up and down.
  • All you can get here is Karma (whooptie-do), at least Obama gives out a free lunch or diner.

Another Obama friend in jail today (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516963)

First Rezko, now Kilpatrick. When will the feds come for the most nefarious of Obama's friends, William Ayers? This guy has a serious problem picking friends.

Re:This is going to end badly (5, Funny)

foo fighter (151863) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517129)

End badly?

I recognize there are serious issues at stake in this election, and serious differences between the candidates. And we will argue about them, as we should.

But it should remain an argument among friends; each of us struggling to hear our conscience, and heed its demands; each of us, despite our differences, united in our great cause, and respectful of the goodness in each other.

How that can end badly? Especially since John McCain has a comprehensive economic plan that will create millions of good American jobs, ensure our nation's energy security, get the government's budget and spending practices in order, and bring relief to American consumers.

Re:This is going to end badly (1)

foo fighter (151863) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517173)

See what I did there?

Re:This is going to end badly (2, Funny)

pluther (647209) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517207)

John McCain has a comprehensive economic plan that will create millions of good American jobs, ensure our nation's energy security, get the government's budget and spending practices in order, and bring relief to American consumers.

Just like Bush did! Yay!!

Re:This is going to end badly (2, Funny)

delphi125 (544730) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517261)

How that can end badly? Especially since a politician has a comprehensive economic plan that will create millions of good local jobs, ensure our nation's energy security, get the government's budget and spending practices in order, and bring relief to local consumers.

I've rolled your comment back to the template.

Congratulations on your ride on the tour bus!

Re:This is going to end badly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24517153)

I find your lack of faith disturbing

The Issue: Jobs for America (5, Funny)

SeanTobin (138474) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516501)

John McCain has a comprehensive economic plan that will destroy millions of good American jobs, ensure our neighboring nation's energy security, get the government's budget and spending practices continuing on their existing successful path, and bring relief to Chinese consumers. Click to learn how the McCain Economic Plan will help bring reform, prosperity and peace to America. Read More... [barackobama.com]

Not Offtopic (2, Insightful)

Icarus1919 (802533) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516967)

This poster is simply making a point that Obama has up talking points available on his website. Admittedly though, there is no rewards program.

Re:Not Offtopic (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24517159)

Ingenuity and effort are taxed. Obama is a socialist. What you do already belongs to the government.

Recommended reading: Obama's Stimulus Package. He is going to "take" windfall profits. Take = theft or tax.

Re:The Issue: Jobs for America (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516989)

I am dismayed at the overwhelming liberalism present on this site. I had hoped that fellow geeks would have more sense than this. Conservatism, capitalism...that is what our country was founded on. McCain is not the poster child for the conservative movement by any means, but he is far superior to the socialist ideas put forth by Obama and fellow liberals, such as Nancy Pelosi. Please, PLEASE, take some time to understand the issues prior to repeating the nonsense so abundant in our media.

Re:The Issue: Jobs for America (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24517005)

If you think Obama is a "socialist," maybe you should take some time to understand the issues...

Re:The Issue: Jobs for America (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24517249)

If you think Obama's not a socialist maybe you should have listened to him before he beat Hillary.

Re:The Issue: Jobs for America (4, Insightful)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517241)

The Revolution was a liberal cause in the extreme. The "conservative" principles were not the ones founding this country, they were the ones fighting to prevent its independence from England. You Tory.

Let me be the first to say... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516503)

"John McCain has a comprehensive economic plan that will create millions of good American jobs, ensure our nation's energy security, get the government's budget and spending practices in order, and bring relief to American consumers. Click to learn how the McCain Economic Plan will help bring reform, prosperity and peace to America."

I don't know... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516909)

His $0.10 titanium tax doesn't go too far enough! Also, how will he guarantee enough brain slugs for everyone? Right now, they barely have enough to keep the Republican party alive! What will they do to guarantee our independence from foreign brain slugs? And they're definitely not doing enough to protect our right to own Doomsday Devices!

I'm mad enough that I might register with the Apathy party, but I can't be bothered. Besides, everyone knows that the Hypnobama will win this election.

All hail the Hypnobama!

Re:Let me be the first to say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24517171)

Astroturfing is nothing new for either candidate and has been a part of politics for a few thousand years before its namesake was even invented.

What's "higher-ticket" mean? (5, Funny)

randyest (589159) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516505)

not just campaign swag like hats and stickers, but higher-ticket items like a ride with McCain on his campaign bus.

Huh? I'd sure rather have a hat or a sticker than ride in the same vehicle as some old guy. Have you smelled an old person? It's not pretty; like a combination of mothballs, fried bacon, a Catholic church, talcum powder, and the dust underneath the couch

Re:What's "higher-ticket" mean? (5, Funny)

corbettw (214229) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516597)

It said you'd get a ride on the bus, not which McCain you'd be riding [google.com] .

Re:What's "higher-ticket" mean? (2, Funny)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516783)

In the light of recent events [jalopnik.com] , I'd rather not ride their bus at all.

Re:What's "higher-ticket" mean? (1)

Sklyan (1263518) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516687)

or as meatwad so eloquently put it: "he smells like lotion and doodoo"

Re:What's "higher-ticket" mean? (1)

retendo (321086) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516727)

Wow, you sound just like Paris.

Re:What's "higher-ticket" mean? (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516745)

Have you smelled an old person? It's not pretty; like a combination of mothballs, fried bacon, a Catholic church, talcum powder, and the dust underneath the couch

Those are actually the ingredients in the cologne that old people wear in order to drive you whipper-snappers off their lawn!

The exact formula is a carefully guarded secret, mostly by virtue of none of them being able to remember.

Yeah? Well... (4, Funny)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516865)

... most young people smell like wet diapers that have been further soiled by their shit-for-brains.

Really. You think a 20-year-old bricklayer smells BETTER at the end of the day than talcum powder? Man, you live a sheltered life.

It's marketing (1)

HalAtWork (926717) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516905)

They just make shit up so you feel good now and have remorse after you hand over your money/dignity/whatever.

Re:What's "higher-ticket" mean? (0, Troll)

CdBee (742846) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517183)

well I suppose you could make a point about Republican views on gun control, by getting on his bus then shooting the fucker? the judge wouldn't be kind but posterity might have a less harsh view

Yeah.. well worth it. (4, Funny)

onion2k (203094) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516517)

If there's anything that will swing my vote at an election it's a comment posted on someone's blog. Policies schmolicies, I want to see what the public think!

*goes to look at what the public think*

Ok, I saw what the public think, and now I want the winner of America's Got Talent to be president.

Re:Yeah.. well worth it. (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516625)

Over McCain? Probably a wise decision.

Re:Yeah.. well worth it. (3, Insightful)

philspear (1142299) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516667)

No one ever went broke underestimating american taste, and no one ever got modded down for overstating american stupidity.

People are far more interested in this campaign than america's got talent. I mean, some age groups yes, are more interested in that, but not MOST of the voting age and above.

On a completely unrelated note, there needs to be a mod option of "-1 trite cynicism." If you like that type of thing you could change it to score +1 instead.

Re:Yeah.. well worth it. (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517001)

The guy who is making a ton of money on the show (he's the winner right?) is British, so he can't be president.

Here's one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516519)

"I love John McCain. I mean, really, I love him... nightly, in my dreams."
-- A. Coward

Speaking of John McCain (0, Troll)

Affenkopf (949241) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516521)

John McCain has a comprehensive economic plan that will create millions of good American jobs, ensure our nation's energy security, get the government's budget and spending practices in order, and bring relief to American consumers. ... I want to be ambassador to Jamaica!

This should be fun (-1, Redundant)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516525)

Is this the thread where we all post things straight from his website to get +5 funny? Because I was thinking that the development of clean coal technology will revitalize coal mining and return jobs to some of America's most economically disadvantaged areas. The demonstration projects alone will employ over 30,000 Americans.

Am I missing something? (4, Informative)

meta-monkey (321000) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516545)

I don't see the "canned suggestions." There's a position paper, but it looks like the McCain campaign is just encouraging people to make comments and discuss issues on blog sites, not telling them what to say.

Re:Am I missing something? (-1, Troll)

randyest (589159) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516617)

Shhh! This is Obamanation and we are Obamaniacs for Obamanomics; don't spoil the fantasy! This is time to criticize McCain. Did you hear me -- I said criticize McCain!

Re:Am I missing something? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516857)

Let's try to keep the partisanship down, okay? There are serious issues at stake in this election, and serious differences between the candidates. And we will argue about them, as we should. But it should remain an argument among friends; each of us struggling to hear our conscience, and heed its demands; each of us, despite our differences, united in our great cause, and respectful of the goodness in each other.

Obamaniacs? (1)

AioKits (1235070) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516895)

It's time for Obamaniacs
And we're zany to the max
So just sit back and relax
You'll laugh 'til you collapse
We're obamaniacs!

Someone finish the lyrics? I'm too tired...

Re:Obamaniacs? (0)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517061)

What are you going to do? When the Obamania runs wild on YOU!

Re:Obamaniacs? (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517097)

(forgive me, Warner Brothers, and the Warner Sister, Dot)

Come join the Obama Brothers,
And the Obama Sister, Michelle
Just for fun we travel round
europe and the middle east, oh well
They lock us in the tower whenever we get caught
Then we break loose and then vamoose
and now you know the plot

We're ob-aman-iacs
Dott is cute and Yakko yaks
Wakko cracks away the snacks while Bill Clinton plays the sax
We're O-ba-man-iacs

Meet Barack and his VP who want to rule the universe
McCain and Rick Davis plot together Reporters whacks them with their purse
Congress is on vacation while Pelosi tries to sell her book
We write a script we had a script why bother to rehearse

We're Obamaniacs
We get payed for played contracts
We're zany to the max
there's baloney in our slacks
We're Obamany
totally insaney
(Here's a show that's maney)

An-i-mani-acs
Those are the facts

Re:Am I missing something? (2, Informative)

Jimithing DMB (29796) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517285)

It's worse than that though. It isn't only timothy's Slashdot story that refers to "Today's Talking Points" as "sample comments" it's the original Washington Post article.

I find it quite a stretch to suggest that the talking points are somehow given as examples of good comments. They are very dry and read as though they are suggestions of topics a McCain supporter might talk about. They don't look at all like anything that would be well received on any message board. Hence, talking points.

All political campaigns do this so there's no news here. Either WaPo is out of stories or the author was just looking to write something bad about McCain's campaign. That's beyond mere bias. That's pushing an agenda.

As for timothy, he's either a sucker for falling for this blatant anti-McCain non-story or he's also pushing an agenda. It could be both too. Perhaps he turned his bullshit detector off because he's for Obama and against McCain. He wouldn't be the first person to do that and he won't be the last. But I think at the very least he should update the story with a correction. The "facts" presented in it are at the very least quite a stretch if not an outright lie.

Re:Am I missing something? (5, Informative)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516803)

Did you miss the Today's Talking Points links? Or did you actively ignore them?

Re:Am I missing something? (4, Interesting)

Javit (68742) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517177)

I checked the linked page (I know, I know...) after seeing the grandparent post, and do see the "Today's Talking Points" part, but I don't see where people are being asked to copy that text verbatim. Maybe you could explain why you and the Post reporter categorize them as "sample comments" instead of simply attacking the grandparent? I read them more as the campaign's take to visitors on the issues they'd like raised, and the arguments they'd like used, in the tradition of the talking points the major parties give their members of Congress.

Here's mine (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516569)

McCain smells like the rotten cheese he has for a brain.

Well that's an improvemnt over the current guy (3, Funny)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517045)

Rotten cheese probably supports life.

Oh man, too easy... (5, Interesting)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516595)

The trolls just write themselves...I'll attempt to rise above.

Still, it's pretty damn pathetic when you can't trust your supporters to express their own opinions to the point where you have to give them your opinions to reprint.

Ah fuck it. Lets burn some karma..."I guess all his supporters are too senile to remember what he stands for?" or maybe "He flip-flops so often that it's safer if they just cut and paste?" Maybe "Since most of his supporters are illiterate, it's the only way they can meaningfully contribute. Coming next month, a McDonalds-style interface with pictures of common attack points (a flat tire, little back guy in diapers, a black playing card, etc)."

I am so sick of "talking points." It just reeks of brand advertising.

Re:Oh man, too easy... (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516937)

I am so sick of "talking points." It just reeks of brand advertising.

Modern politics is all about brand advertising. Nobody really wants a serious discussion of the issues, least of all the candidates. You tell your base what they want to hear, you demonize your opponent in hopes of demoralizing his base, and you get your people to drive your supporters to the polls while trying to disenfranchise your opponent's supporters. If all else fails, you throw some ballot boxes into a river.

The whole idea is doing whatever is necessary to get more people to vote for you than for the other guy. Glitzy advertising that paints you as a hero of the working man and your opponent as a clown (or demon) who will single-handedly destroy the country is a key part of the package. Serious discourse has no place in such an environment.

On top of that, now you have the Internet to deal with. In this case, the more parrots you have mindlessly regurgitating your talking points on blogs and various forums, the better. It's like the hot chicks at the bar that invite you to hang out with them and offer you some expensive name brand liquor. It's viral advertising, and if it can be used to sell booze, why can't it be used to sell candidates?

Sure, the whole thing is sleazy, but that's politics for you.

Revision Control (1)

tobiah (308208) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516943)

Good point about the flip-flopping. It seems important they use some form of version control for the talking points, to make sure they don't undercut the current positions. Wonder if the bloggers are up to the challenge.

Going back to the original story, maybe this script to identify blogs speaking from the script could be modified to identify which version they're using...

Re:Revision Control (1)

cube135 (1231528) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517103)

Grep: 1, McCain: 0?

Re:Oh man, too easy... (1)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516955)

Given it seems everytime he sends out his talking heads to drum up support for him, they espouse opinions contrary to his platform (ok, not everytime I'm sure, but it hits the press I read often enough). I'd say he needs talking points.

Me, I'm waiting to see what Paris [google.com] has to say.

Why is this on /.? (0, Troll)

Charles Wilson (995273) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516607)

Why is this on Slashdot? Go back a few years and look up "Gravitas".We all know the purpose this is on /.. More /. bias again. "Nothing to see here, folks"

No McPoint for You! (1)

tobiah (308208) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517059)

It's post like this that lead to canned scripts. At least provide a link to your supposed, "Gravitas" ;-)

Happy Happy John John (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516611)

John McCain, he's not just an angrier more bitter Bob Dole.

My God, this country is completely screwed (4, Insightful)

TheKnightShift (1102767) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516641)

This is beyond pathetic. To think that a nation that produced the likes of John Adams, Daniel Webster and Oliver Wendell Holmes is now producing "leaders" who not only can not think and speak so articulately, but have to bribe their supporters with swag for copying and pasting soundbites... No, I'm not an Obama supporter either. I don't have a dog in this hunt.

Re:My God, this country is completely screwed (-1, Troll)

cptnapalm (120276) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516899)

Sad thing is that, as pathetic as this is, Obama's supporters mostly spew stuff they read on bumper stickers.

Re:My God, this country is completely screwed (5, Insightful)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517009)

I take it you aren't familiar with the history of our Presidential elections. If you were, you'd realize that while it's sad we are still stuck in the same muck raking environment that John Adams and Thomas Jefferson slandered each other under, it's obviously nothing new.

Highest karma winner... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516755)

...gets to run FEMA.

Re:Highest karma winner... (1)

chris_mahan (256577) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517271)

They said "reward".

Now thats reassuring quality campaign !! (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516769)

give prizes to people to spread spam on your behalf !! now this guy has the makings of a good president.

I can't wait to see what McCain comes up with next (-1, Troll)

nawcom (941663) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516779)

Scratch-n-sniff McCain 2008 stickers. If you are conservative, it will smell like patriotism; If you are liberal or gay, it will smell like a human turd that's been sitting in a bucket of sweat infested with mosquito larva that's been locked in a 1979 Chevette that's been sitting in the Louisiana swamps for 2 weeks.

McCain: smells like complicated shit.

Republican supporters vs. Democrat Supporters (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516785)

The reason for them doing this is because Democratic supporters tend to be a lot more vocal about their support compared to Republican supporters. This may be anecdotal, but for the sites I view, I see way more Obama supporters spouting out campaign rhetoric compared to McCain supporters. At the same time, all the national polls I see have the two in a virtual dead heat. Why are we seeing more people screaming their support for Obama? The RNC has noticed this, and is trying to light a fire under the Republican supporters in order to get them screaming just as loudly for McCain.

It's probably about the demographic. Republicans tend to be older, quiet, "don't rock the boat" types who don't give a shit about anything that doesn't concern them. Democrats tend to be young, vocal, "Change NOW!" types who feel that society as a whole needs to better function. It makes sense.

Re:Republican supporters vs. Democrat Supporters (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24516883)

I suspect that while many Republicans will be voting for McCain, they are not particularly enthusiastic about him.

You are mostly right about the demographics: Republicans do tend to just want to be left alone, which is not something which needs lots of verbiage, whereas Democrats' control freakery needs lots of screaming.

Re:Republican supporters vs. Democrat Supporters (1)

halivar (535827) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516891)

You hit the nail on the head. It's why we call them "conservatives" and "progressives," in the most non-derogatory senses of the terms.

And we should vote for him over the other guy why? (5, Interesting)

mcmonkey (96054) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516799)

Considering one of McCain's selling point is supposed to be experience, why does his campaign keep making rookie mistakes?

He repeatedly mentions his opponent by name in speeches and on his web site (why give the other guy free publicity?), he refers to the border between two countries which don't border each other, and now this.

It's not stupid because it isn't done, it's stupid because people will do it anyway. Supporters (not just McCain's) will cut-and-paste talking points from the candidate on their own. A program like this just makes them, and him, look like idiots.

So, he's basically doing... (-1, Troll)

Mr. Firewall (578517) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516877)

...what the 'crats have been doing for, what, about fifteen-twenty years now?

I always knew 'pubs were a little slow, but... wow, fifteen years behind the curve... now THAT'S slow!

Re:So, he's basically doing... (3, Insightful)

RingDev (879105) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517065)

As much as I wish that was true, I have never managed to get my hands on a widely distributed talking points memo for the Democrat party. If you know of an organization that distributes such talking points, please post it, I'd be interested in finding out what political mantra they would have people saying these days.

-Rick

Neither of Them Deserve to Be President (4, Insightful)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516881)

I was going to go for a funny comment off that page but I'm feeling a bit more irritable today. McCain and Obama are not being honest with the American people WRT oil prices. The simple fact of the matter is that the world can not support 350 million Americans, 1 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians all who want to drive automobiles. Offshore drilling will not help oil prices. Keeping your tires inflated will not help oil prices. Any long term solution that involves everyone keeping their cars and driving every day will not work.

The simple fact of the matter is that Some Americans will no longer be able to afford to own and operate an automobile. That process has already started. People are on the news saying "I can't afford to put gas in my car to commute to work." It's only going to get worse as gasoline gets more expensive. We might see the price of a gallon of gas bump down a little over the coming years, but the general trend is going to be up. If you're having trouble paying for gas now, you should start planning to not own an automobile in the future. America needs better public transit options and tighter knit communities, because a lot more of us are not going to be driving in the future.

Of course Obama and McCain won't say that. It'd be political suicide. Unfortunately we don't need political grandstanding right now. We need sensible planning for a future where Americans are less affluent and have lower expectations than they did in the past.

So what? (5, Insightful)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517093)

Why the hell should every American be able to afford an automobile?

Most Americans are better off than they were 50 years ago. Just most Americans have forgotten how to be frugal and now impulse buy all kinds of crap on credit cards then wonder why they're screwed when the credit card bills roll in.

Close, but... (4, Interesting)

RingDev (879105) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517127)

The simple fact of the matter is that Some Americans will no longer be able to afford to own and operate an Internal Combustion Engine powered automobile.

Fixed. There is a finite amount of all resources on this planet, so you are correct that at some point, not everyone is going to be able to do everything they currently take for granted. And transportation is going to go through some 'exciting' times in the near future. But the immediate impact is not going to dramatically change the life style of the vast majority of Americans.

-Rick

let me correct that for you (1)

CdBee (742846) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517237)

"some americans won't be able to afford a hydrocarbon-fuelled motor vehicle'

Unlike Europeans like me, you guys have the space for solar, nuclear and wind power on an epic scale, and the science and industry to do electric cars well

Re:Neither of Them Deserve to Be President (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24517289)

You are remarkably short sighted my friend. Let's live in the world of yesterday today!

It's always good to assume there are no other sources of energy and that gasoline will always be the one and only fuel for cars.

I have one (3, Insightful)

kpainter (901021) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516893)

I think it would go over really well to say "My Friends" a lot. That makes everybody think you are telling them the truth.

I'm not saying McCain's out of touch.... (4, Funny)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516911)

...but he thinks Bluetooth is a tooth disease.

Re:I'm not saying McCain's out of touch.... (2, Funny)

The Angry Mick (632931) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517299)

Loved the Paris Hilton quote:

He's old enough to remember when dancing was a sin!"

Yes! (3, Funny)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516915)

I could REALLY use one of those tire gauges!

Here goes (Stephen Colbert style):

McCain - he's hip! (at least none broken yet)
McCain - he's got the energy to fix this country! (who better than the Maverick who had a hand in breaking things, but I'm sure it was all under protest.)
McCain - Experience to lead, experience where it matters! (He knows how to cover his mistakes, and where others have their sins buried)
McCain - Because Obama would raise taxes on real Americans! (The super rich face such horrible burdens already - they're the realest Americans!)
McCain - He won't compromise our national security! (It's not the damn president's job to negotiate peace with UnAmericans)
McCain - He's earned our respect, he's the leader we deserve now! (Certainly the change we deserve - stay the course! Four more years!)

Ryan Fenton

Yes, because our Lord and Saviour Obama (3, Interesting)

everphilski (877346) | more than 6 years ago | (#24516923)

would never astroturf [talkingpointsmemo.com]

(go ahead, read the article and google the name "Nikki E Sutton" ... she's a campaign worker [wordpress.com] for the Obama campaign.)

all you got was a bus ride to indiana? (1)

alta (1263) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517047)

Bah, I posted a lot. I got an iPod! It had recordings of all of McCains speaches on it!

WcCain Considers Public His Troll Army (0, Troll)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517075)

When the John WcCain campaign turns to the current wave of "open sourcing" movements, spurred by Internet culture, what he thinks you're good for is free astroturfing labor.

If you're not getting a check for that kind of work, you're nothing but a hypocrite posing as a "Conservative".

If you are getting a check for that kind of work, you're nothing but a sockpuppet posing as a "Conservative".

All aboard the Straight Talk Express trainwreck [dailykos.com] !

But what's Paris Hilton offering? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24517077)

Really, I'd repeat anything she asks me too if the "prize" was right.

McSame (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24517169)

Giving people pre-vetted comments to post (for a reward) doesn't help dispel the nickname.

Wow! (0, Flamebait)

Reverend Darkness (826202) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517243)

... because we all know no Democrat would EVAH do such a thing! ( casting my "+2 Rolled Eyes of Sarcasm" )

McCain for President (5, Funny)

fermion (181285) | more than 6 years ago | (#24517295)

My Freely offered Blog entry. Copy as you see fit. I need no rewards.

I admit it is a bit over the op, but if we are in a world where millions of dollars can be spent comparing a magna cum laude Havard Graduate to Paris Hiton, anything goes.

McCain was not born in the US but is considered a US citizen anyway, unlike many who are born in the US that the republican party wants to consider foreign.

As a proud third generation employee of the government, McCain is uniquely experienced to be president. His third generation military status uniquely places him to find the best government military solutions for every problem, without the distractions of diplomacy or allowing the free market to work. Like the current president, he entered higher education on a legacy, thus putting him in touch with the problems of the elite he represents. Also like the current president, he has a storied military carreer, flying planes around the world. At one point his plane got shot down and he no longer flew planes, but was kept in a POW camp. He was tortured for some time during the captivity. This experience wad apparently not bad enough to make him unconditionally opposed to torture.

He also has a unique perspective on government medical care. As a third generation government employee, he has spent his entire life with free access to the government medical facilities. Although he is 71, and claims to be in good health, he experience has shown him that government medical care is not good enough for the general populous, so is absolutely opposed to it.

Some might think a third generation government employee may not be the best president for a country based on free enterprise, but wait. His second wife, whom he married soon after divorcing his first wife, is the chair of one of the largest beer distributors in the country. As such, McCain has experience with the perks of the corporate life, like luxury corporate jets, which he used to ferry himself between campaign stops during his bid to become president. He understands the compromises that must be made when growing a business, like how many alcohol related teen deaths are acceptable to maintain a certain profit margin.

As we can see McCain is uniquely qualified to understand the needs of the nation. The military can solve all problems. The health care system that has kept him so healthy is not adequate of capable of doing the same for the masses. American Corporations has special problems and must be given significant leeway in their right to earn a profit.

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