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Measuring the "Colbert Bump"

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the wish-i-had-a-bump dept.

The Almighty Buck 674

An anonymous reader writes "Democratic politicians receive a 40% increase in contributions in the 30 days after appearing on the comedy cable show The Colbert Report. In contrast, their Republican counterparts essentially gain nothing. Moreover, even a cursory analysis demonstrates that despite being a comedy program The Colbert Report appears to exercise 'disproportionate real world influence' — likely due to the 'elite demographic' of its audience." In my home we refer to Stephen as "Loud Daddy" because my child would scream bloody murder when we paused him (and only him) on screen. Even at 8 months old the kid has strange taste.

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Colbert (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598143)

For president!

Re:Colbert (3, Insightful)

Freeside1 (1140901) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598185)

Yes, because celebrities-turned-politicians have such a great track record

Re:Colbert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598275)

Or 'The Body' Ventura?

Re:Colbert (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598319)

Yes, because celebrities-turned-politicians have such a great track record

Regan has been honored by both sides of the isle.

Stephen Colbert (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598241)

Can suck my dick.

Re:Stephen Colbert (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598525)

Can suck my dick.

I bet he would be returning the favor.

I Can't Find a Reasonable Conclusion (4, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598177)

Moreover, even a cursory analysis demonstrates that despite being a comedy program The Colbert Report appears to exercise "disproportionate real world influence" -- likely due to the "elite demographic" of its audience.

I saw this news a few days ago and must confess I couldn't draw a logical conclusion from it. I find the explanation in this article to be unsatisfactory also.

Perhaps it's interesting but little can be learned from this 'study.' There's just too many factors to say ... and it would take just one nutjob billionaire who loves The Colbert Report to make those donations. Or it could be like a Hollywood joke for the rich and famous to build a fund.

To expound upon the conclusion of the article, what about Democratic guests of The Daily Show which is just a half hour earlier on the same channel with (probably) the same "elite demographic"?

Maybe it's really about Democratic politicians looking really good against Colbert's over the top ultra-conservatism? Just as speculative (and easily dismissed) as the article's conclusion though. Can anyone else reason out a better explanation?

Has the study looked at shows with over the top ultra-liberal hosts interviewing Republican politicians ... ah, what am I saying, there's a real lacking sense of humor on that side of the parties in my mind.

Re:I Can't Find a Reasonable Conclusion (3, Insightful)

db32 (862117) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598253)

My guess would be that not many Republican supporters watch that show or find it humerous as he is making a mockery of their recent stances on a variety of things. It isn't like he is representing any of their ideas that aren't completely moronic. (Both sides do have a few from time to time).

So it leaves what is probably a largely left leaning audience watching a Democrat "handle" the over the top Republican insanity in a humerous way.

Re:I Can't Find a Reasonable Conclusion (5, Interesting)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598641)

The fact that they invited Colbert to host the Correspondents Dinner [wikipedia.org] shows they don't have a fricking clue. (If you live under a rock and haven't seen the video of it linky linky here [google.com]...The man has balls of solid steel).

As per the "bump" I imagine it's more because Colbert is specifically looking for it, and trumpeting it. Free publicity is almost always going to create funding opportunities for politicians.

Re:I Can't Find a Reasonable Conclusion (3, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598807)

Either that or the Republicans can take a joke. I'm pretty sure they knew exactly the type of material Colbert would go for.

Re:I Can't Find a Reasonable Conclusion (1, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598299)

well, if you wanted over-the-hill ultra-liberal hosts, you could try cbs news, nbc news, or abc news.

Colbert isn't republican... (3, Insightful)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598321)

This may come as a surprise, but Stephen Colbert isn't a republican. He's a character, played by a man who also happens to be named Stephen Colbert. This man? He is what we call a satirist.

Although he makes fun of both sides, it is much easier to make fun of the republicans - since their politics (under introspection) aren't very good. All he does is bring it to the front.

Also, many democrats are younger and don't have 'time' for politics, but do have time for comedy. If they're watching the Colbert Report, then they get a dose of politics in with their laughter (or laughter with their politics?).

Perhaps this is the only way to get young people interested in Politics - to make the stupidity that goes on at capitol hill equally accessible to everyone... through satire.

Re:Colbert isn't republican... (3, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598497)

liberal policies aren't any better. George Bush provides great material, just like Bill Clinton did (and still does)

Re:Colbert isn't republican... (5, Insightful)

BitterOldGUy (1330491) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598583)

Although he makes fun of both sides, it is much easier to make fun of the republicans - since their politics (under introspection) aren't very good. All he does is bring it to the front.

Wait till the Dems get into power in November (unless there's some awesome economic news in the next two months; they got it.). Then these shows will start making fun of them.

Also, many democrats are younger and don't have time for 'politics', but do have time for comedy.

(I moved the quotes). Politics these days is about distraction. It's about focusing on non issues, or at least, focusing on issues that a very small minority finds irrationally important. And even then, whatever comes out of any candidates mouth during a campaign is just pie in the sky.

Re:Colbert isn't republican... (4, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598659)

Although he makes fun of both sides, it is much easier to make fun of the republicans - since their politics (under introspection) aren't very good.

That, and the Republicans are in power. Being in power normally provides a lot more comedy material than being in opposition. William Hague, Ian and Duncan Smith, and Michael Howard, and anything involving Boris Johnson notwithstanding.

Re:Colbert isn't republican... (4, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598823)

I thought it was painfully obvious that his Republican character he portrays is a joke to espouse his actual Liberal views. It scares me that this might not be obvious to some.

Re:Colbert isn't republican... (4, Insightful)

swillden (191260) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598903)

Although he makes fun of both sides, it is much easier to make fun of the republicans - since their politics (under introspection) aren't very good.

Nah, it's not a Republicrat/Democan thing. Both sides are equally stupid, and equally easy to make fun of. It's just easier to make fun of the party in the White House, because they're the most visibly active.

Back when Clinton was in office, Rush Limbaugh was often hilariously funny with the way he made fun of the Democrats. After Bush got into office, he had to switch to supporting his side rather than making fun of the dems because there was so much less material available. At that point, he became a lot less funny.

Re:I Can't Find a Reasonable Conclusion (4, Informative)

Faizdog (243703) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598389)

"one nutjob billionaire" wouldn't explain this, since there are contribution limits. The actions of no one individual, no matter how rich, could explain this. There are interesting dynamics at work here, some people may find it enjoyable to discuss them. But simple answers aren't the solution.

Re:I Can't Find a Reasonable Conclusion (4, Informative)

tb()ne (625102) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598423)

Perhaps it's interesting but little can be learned from this 'study.' There's just too many factors to say ... and it would take just one nutjob billionaire who loves The Colbert Report to make those donations. Or it could be like a Hollywood joke for the rich and famous to build a fund.

TFA states that there is a significant increase not just in the amount of donations but also the number of donations.

Re:I Can't Find a Reasonable Conclusion (3, Insightful)

Darth_Burrito (227272) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598589)

Can anyone else reason out a better explanation?

I assume appearances on the Colbert show are correlated with increased campaigning which results in increased contributions. I like Colbert, but to me, this sounds like exactly the sort of meaningless pompous statistic he would have fun with and mock.

Re:I Can't Find a Reasonable Conclusion (2, Insightful)

C10H14N2 (640033) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598825)

Actually, it is pretty safe to conclude causation here as there are /very/ strictly monitored limitations of PAC funding. The limitations are so low that the difference between what "one nutjob billionaire" can give compared to the average mortal is less than you're likely to spend on a decent meal in Penn Quarter.

Demographics? (3, Interesting)

Androclese (627848) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598183)

In contrast, their Republican counterparts essentially gain nothing.

But perhaps Conservatives don't watch the show in the same numbers that their Liberal friends do, equating to the "gain nothing" for the right side of the aisle?

Re:Demographics? (4, Interesting)

muellerr1 (868578) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598619)

I looked at donation records [huffingtonpost.com] for my area in the last two elections, and to my surprise the people giving money to Republicans maxed out their donations at $2000 per person. The Democrats were way more numerous, but vanishingly few gave more than $100 each. This year the Democrats are averaging $300 each, with more $2000 donations. The Republicans aren't all maxing their donations, but a lot more of them are going to Ron Paul and a handful of non-McCain candidates. It doesn't track corporate donations or 'soft-money', but I'd imagine those tend to go Republican anyway, and besides, which corporations are going to donate more to a Republican candidate because they saw them on Colbert?

This is why Colbert 'bumps' donations to Democrats and not Republicans--individual Democrats appear to have more money to spend on donations this year.

Re:Demographics? (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598839)

This is why Colbert 'bumps' donations to Democrats and not Republicans--individual Democrats appear to have more money to spend on donations this year.

It's because of the economy stimulation package, duh.

Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Central (4, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598193)

Not to overplay the "Republicans are a bunch of old humorless farts" stereotype, but let's face it, Republicans aren't exactly Comedy Central's chief demographic in general (and they sure aren't the primary audience of "The Daily Show" or "The Colbert Report"). Even when conservatives do come on Stewart or Colbert, it's generally a very uncomfortable interview (polite applause from the audience, host trying desperately to think of something good to say).

There have been a few attempts at more conservative humor. Colin Quinn used to have a show [wikipedia.org] that followed Stewart that was more to the right (and very funny), but unfortunately it got cancelled after two or three seasons. And Fox News did a Daily Show-esque show called the "1/2 Hour News Hour" [wikipedia.org] that was just abysmal to watch and not even close to funny (it ran for 13 episodes before the Fox conservatives abandoned their opposition to euthenasia long enough to grant it a mercy killing).

I know why. (3, Insightful)

BitterOldGUy (1330491) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598243)

Many Republican and a few Democrat politicians don't realize that they are the joke.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598279)

Given the left-leaning slant of the show, why would a Republican or Conservative watch it? Colbert's bias is obvious - and that's fine, he can have any opinions he wants. Republicans/Conservatives are not humorless - it's more like "the show is not funny for them." Is it a surprise that the left-leaning audience doesn't pony up money for Republican candidates? The conclusion seems obvious - I'm frankly surprised the article appeared on /.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (1)

techiemikey (1126169) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598411)

I think the surprise is that the Colbert Bump actually exists rather than just all being in his mind.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (4, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598593)

Republicans aren't humorless, but they generally don't gravitate towards comedy writing or performing either (leading to a dearth of comedy shows with conservative writers and performers). It's unfair to blame Comedy Central for that. Republicans tend to gravitate towards business school and political science, liberals tend to gravitate towards the liberal arts and more artistic fields (including writing and comedy). There are plenty of exceptions, of course, (including the aforementioned Colin Quinn) but let's not kid ourselves. Asking Comedy Central why it has so many liberal comedy writers would be like asking Wall Street why it has so many conservative stock brokers.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (4, Interesting)

MBCook (132727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598625)

I'm rather conservative. I watch both Colbert and Stewart because I find them both funny. Their bias is quite obvious, but I don't mind. The fact they are open about it (as opposed to trying to pretend to be neutral) makes me like them more.

Rarely do I not find something funny because of my views. I'll disagree with some of the things Stewart says (for example), but I don't take him seriously enough to be put off by it (and it doesn't happen that often).

What they spend most of their time doing, making fun of the media and politicians doing dumb things, works just as well for either party. If they ignored the Dems I would be turned off, but they are always right there to poke fun at Pelosi if she does something notably stupid.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (2, Interesting)

BitterOldGUy (1330491) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598639)

I watch and listen to all side of the argument and humor. I want to get as much of facts as I possibly can and then make a judgment.

BTW, I'm an independent who's a social liberal (I don't care who you sleep with or marry) and government conservative(government should be the last resort for any problem outside of what's explicitly stated in the Constitution and even then it still spends too much money).

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (2, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598287)

And Fox News did a Daily Show-esque show called the "1/2 Hour News Hour" [wikipedia.org] that was just abysmal to watch and not even close to funny (it ran for 13 episodes before the Fox conservatives abandoned their opposition to euthenasia long enough to grant it a mercy killing).

That's the problem with conservatives, they can't approach things without an intensely partisan mindset. I'm sure plenty of them think the people behind the Daily Show and Colbert Report take the same approach as they do; have a goal to promote an ideology, then after that come up with humor to support it. Never even crosses their mind that the shows pick things that you can make fun of, and just because it's a lot easier to make fun of republicans than democrats, that's what the shows do more of.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598695)

That's the problem with conservatives, they can't approach things without an intensely partisan mindset. [...] just because it's a lot easier to make fun of republicans than democrats, that's what the shows do more of.

Funny, because that's the same thing I hear Conservatives say about Liberals and they both back it up with the same "proof".

See the point yet? They're both wrong.

The greatest thing that's wrong with politics right now is this team sport cheerleader mentality. You're either a Democrat or a Republican. You have to show up to games wearing your team colors or be chastised by the other fanatics (aka "fans") of the team. And god forbid that you might actually be a fanatic of the other team! That will result in nothing less than the tossing of stereotypical derogatory chants back and forth which, of course, will lead to some parking lot brawl.

Don't dare try to have a different opinion other than the teams party lines, otherwise, they'll try a hostel take over of your position. Just ask Joel Liberman, who supports the Iraq war and some tax cuts and was attacked by his own party by them running and financing another Democrat to take his seat.

Don't dare try to say you support the right to abortion, gay marriage or that you're agnostic or atheist, as a Republican. You'll be similarly cast down from the rank and file.

The point is, the problem with politics are people you the parent. Those people who actually THINK one side is better than the other by default. That one side a bigger joke than the other or what have you. Sadly, the true joke are these people and these are the people that Colbert and Stewart make fun of. These people are blind to the obvious and sheep of the proverbial Shepard. These are the people who make easy targets for jokes because others can clearly see their blind ignorance and stupidity on ISSUES, not political affiliation.

People who think like the parent are the one's who think with an intensely partisan mindset. They're the one's, are there are a lot of them, who keep these political charades going. Nothing is going to change until we break down the walls of party affliction and the team sport mentality. Politics are not a game that's played on Sundays and Monday nights. Competition and competitiveness only amongst people only lead to a loss for everyone as important issues get ignored for a few small mindsets of a minority of people who are bullied and repressed into taking the same stances as the party out of fear or reprisal. This is the true killer of independent thought and critical analysis, yet it'll be the last thing anyone will be willing to "fix".

Wait a second... (5, Interesting)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598819)

"That's the problem with conservatives, they can't approach things without an intensely partisan mindset"

Uh, some can, some can't. Are you actually going to claim liberals are any different? Because I'd love to point you to several major liberal websites where the denizens will readily prove to you that if it ain't liberal, it's downright evil. No room for gray areas. Democratic Underground, Daily Kos, Truthout, Alternet... there's a pretty long list here. So if I were you, I'd reconsider this notion that liberals are all capable of tolerant, non-partisan thinking. They're just as human as the conservatives they oppose.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (4, Insightful)

Clovis42 (1229086) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598311)

There have been a few attempts at more conservative humor.

Have there been many attempts at "liberal humor". I don't think the Daily Show counts. Jon seems to make fun of whoever would be...er... funny. It is not surprising that Bush fits the bill most of the time. Any show that plans on being funny in a "conservative" or "liberal" way is probably going to be terrible. Picking a side just reduces the possible objects of ridicule.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (4, Insightful)

mdarksbane (587589) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598901)

He mocks everyone constantly, but there is a bit of a difference in how he does it that betrays his bias.

His mockery of republicans is usually along the lines of "what are those crazy people thinking?"

Whereas against democrats he tends to be more "come on, guys, I was counting on you and then you sucked."

He doesn't give anyone a free pass (which I greatly appreciate) but he does betray his bias a bit.

Old Republicans... (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598347)

So, most republicans might be awake between 11:30 - 12 (or tivo it) ... but MAYBE most republicans can't stay awake for the entire show, and often fall asleep right before the interview part.

Building on what elrous0 said,

Republicans are a bunch of old humorless farts

... oh wait, did I quote that out of context?

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (0, Flamebait)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598517)

Not to overplay the "Republicans are a bunch of old humorless farts" stereotype, but let's face it, Republicans aren't exactly Comedy Central's chief demographic in general (and they sure aren't the primary audience of "The Daily Show" or "The Colbert Report"). Even when conservatives do come on Stewart or Colbert, it's generally a very uncomfortable interview (polite applause from the audience, host trying desperately to think of something good to say).

Yeah, I wonder how many legmen got nervous when Al Capone wanted a sit-down? Stewart is a pretentious ass who looks down and mocks conservatives. Colbert does the same, just in character. Conservatives aren't invited to share views, they're invited as fodder for ridicule. Whether your a Dem or Repub, if you can't see that you're blind.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (0, Troll)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598671)

Conservative views are ridiculous though.

Every time a repub is allowed to speak they come out with hypocrisy and intolerance.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (-1, Troll)

nomadic (141991) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598721)

Stewart is a pretentious ass who looks down and mocks conservatives. Colbert does the same, just in character. Conservatives aren't invited to share views, they're invited as fodder for ridicule.

You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Stewart treats conservatives (and liberals) a lot more respectfully than many of them deserve. Have you even watched the show? Do you ever think before you talk? Are you completely devoid of rationality?

Support the Fair Tax. http://fairtax.org/ [fairtax.org]

Ohhhh, guess you are completely devoid of rationality.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (5, Insightful)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598523)

Limbaugh's success is almost entirely due to his sense of humor. He was basically a Colbert/Stewart of the Right, before Comedy Central was a political humor channel. Now, humor is somewhat subjective, and Limbaugh has a mean streak that comes out at odd times and spoils the party. His mask only slips occasionally though, and he can usually convince his loyal listeners that he was joking or that the monster they saw was just misunderstood. (for example, when he made fun of Michael J. Fox's Parkinsons Disease, or expressed glee at the suicide of Kurt Cobain.)

Even so, Limbaugh has a great sense of the absurd, and his selective reporting of the news has been great at finding things that are both idiotic and obviously "left-inspired." Now, he's dishonest to a degree, so he'll lie, exagerate or misreport when it suits him. Still, it's actually fairly easy if you go to the right places to find some absurdity related to environmentalism or feminism. Shooting fish in a barrel, it is. Frankly, he doesn't outright lie that often, because he doesn't have to. Clowns attach themselves to any political movement that has any power.

The new young Turks of Right Wing talk haven't been humor oriented, they've been revenge oriented. So people like O'Reilly and Hannity come across as hate-filled trolls without anything resembling a sense of humor. This is all to the good, because people with no sense of humor make perfect straight men victims for satirists.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (3, Interesting)

wannabe-retiree (845754) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598663)

I think you'll see a change in this if and when Obama becomes president. Just like the Clinton administration led to the mainstreaming of foxnews, dennis miller (back when he was successful), and talk radio-- the Bush administration has led to the success of Kos, Olbermann and Colbert. While I'm sure the Daily Show and Colbert Report will still be funny, they won't be as poignant and cutting edge with a Democrat in the office. Something else will come along and be the new "in" thing of political satire.

1/2 Hour News Hour (5, Interesting)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598731)

" And Fox News did a Daily Show-esque show called the "1/2 Hour News Hour" [wikipedia.org] that was just abysmal to watch and not even close to funny (it ran for 13 episodes before the Fox conservatives abandoned their opposition to euthenasia long enough to grant it a mercy killing)."

Hell, I'm a conservative, and I'll be the first to tell you that show wasn't just bad, it was plain embarrassing. Bad skits. Canned laugh tracks. Every bad trick in show business you can think of, that abomination had it. It couldn't die fast enough for me.

That show was a prime example of somethings conservatives sometimes do that they never should... try to make a right wing version of a successful liberal phenomena. "Hey, we'll make a conservative Daily Show!". No, you wont. You'll make a cheap knockoff that nobody likes and is done badly. And to be fair, liberals also do this stuff as well... how many attempts have we seen to try and do a liberal version of Limbaugh's program? There's a long and distinguished list of utter failure on that front (Hello, Air America!).

For whatever reason... one sides' success.... The Daily Show, Limbaugh, pick your example... just doesn't seem to translate well to the other side. Any attempts to "reverse engineer" it and make your own seems destined to fall on it's face.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (1)

SoundGuyNoise (864550) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598733)

The problem with "Tough Crowd" was not the subject matter, or whether or not is was funny. The problem was it was an organizational clusterf***. Colin Quinn couldn't moderate at all, guests talked over each other, and little was said during each segment.

Re:Not a big Republican demographic on Comedy Cent (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598887)

As an Aussie I apologise for Rupert, as an old fart I like what I've seen of Colbert and the Daily Show because I prefer comedy to anger when it comes to political discussion. IMHO the most agnogstic (and some of the funniest) political/social satire to come out of the US in recent years has been in the form of cartoons. Ironicaly the best known of these is the Simpons ( a Fox production ).

Moo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598197)

Hey, a moocow!

Colbert is the only Liberal in America with Balls (5, Insightful)

Lanboy (261506) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598211)

The first person to actually question the Bush regime said it right to his face at the press awards banquet.

And he gave Scalia the finger and made him laugh.

And then he basically called the sheep like media whores to their faces.

And everyone who had been keeping their mouths shut woke up

Re:Colbert is the only Liberal in America with Bal (5, Interesting)

Killjoy_NL (719667) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598307)

That speech was the reason I started to watch the show and then the Daily Show.
Since I don't have cable I don't get Comedy Central.
Even if I did have cable, I wouldn't get the US Comedy Central since I live in in the NL
So now I have a daily ritual of watching TDS and TCR online the day after it aired :)

One of the best things of the Daily Show imho is that they call the politicians on their stupidity and hypocrisy (sp?) every time they do something they said they wouldn't.
Colbert is just fantastically funny, his book is funny, the Tek Jansen DVD is funny. I just love the guy :)

Re:Colbert is the only Liberal in America with Bal (0, Flamebait)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598361)

The first person to actually question the Bush regime said it right to his face at the press awards banquet.

I believe that was the "White House Press Correspondence Association Dinner [wikipedia.org]." Although he spoke a lot of truth and I thoroughly enjoyed it, he also said this to the Ambassador Zhou Wenzhong from China:

I believe in democracy. I believe democracy is our greatest export. At least until China figures out a way to stamp it out of plastic for three cents a unit. As a matter of fact, Ambassador Zhou Wenzhong, welcome. Your great country makes our Happy Meals possible. I said it's a celebration.

It's all truth, too. But it is not diplomatic. At what point do you call it "balls" versus "being an asshole." You may not respect China but whether or not you do, we are all living on the same planet.

Re:Colbert is the only Liberal in America with Bal (3, Insightful)

notrandomly (1242142) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598457)

China is a super power. Is criticizing China somehow "being an asshole"? Colbert wasn't stomping all over someone who was already down. He aimed it squarely at the one of the world's most powerful nations. He kicked up, now down.

Re:Colbert is the only Liberal in America with Bal (5, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598491)

But it is not diplomatic

And he's not a diplomat.

Re:Colbert is the only Liberal in America with Bal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598769)

But it is not diplomatic And he's not a diplomat.

If you're addressing an ambassador from another country in your own, I think it would be a good idea to be respectful in a diplomatic way. Of course, I'm sure we'd love to develop that kind of image for ourselves.

Re:Colbert is the only Liberal in America with Bal (3, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598829)

I think being "respectful" is 90% of the reason this country is a mess right now. The fact that the public is too scared of calling their politicians and politicians of other countries hypocritical lying murderers to their face out of fear of being called "disrespectful" or worse "un-American" is disgusting. Maybe you sir need a ball transplant since yours have obviously failed.

Re:Colbert is the only Liberal in America with Bal (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598851)

If you're addressing an ambassador from another country in your own, I think it would be a good idea to be respectful in a diplomatic way. Of course, I'm sure we'd love to develop that kind of image for ourselves.

Colbert is not a representative of the U.S. government and he has neither a legal nor moral obligation to refrain from insulting China. You'd probably think that it'd disrespectful to picket the Chinese embassy over Chinese human rights violations, right?

Re:Colbert is the only Liberal in America with Bal (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598747)

I wonder if China got the Colbert Bump?

Re:Colbert is the only Liberal in America with Bal (5, Insightful)

Kostya (1146) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598905)

Dude, *lighten up*. Stephen Colbert is a comedian and satirist. Is roasting China along with everyone else in the room him being undiplomatic or him doing his thing?

If China can't take some ribbing from a comedian, what kind of super-power does that make them? Remember when that guy got a monkey to throw up just like Bush? Hilarious! Did we get on his case for lacking in diplomacy?

The only "misstep" diplomatically was putting Colbert in the room with that many powerful people, and then handing him a mike and asking him to do his thing. If the people in that room couldn't handle some humor, then he shouldn't have been asked to do the speech.

And frankly, I'm getting tired of everyone pussy-footing around China. Welcome to the World stage, China! You wanted to be a super-power? You wanted recognition and a bigger say in how things go? Well guess what, my Chinese friends? Along with greater visibility and decision making power comes a lot more criticism, outrage, and being mocked.

Welcome to our world. People have been beating on the US for years. Sometimes it was just whining (hey, I wanted to be in charge instead of you!), and sometimes it was because we used our power to run rough-shod over people. Regardless, the world didn't spare us anything--and they shouldn't.

But China? Oh, poor China! Everyone is so insensitive, so judgmental! Poor, poor China! They only own everyone on the planet through trade imbalances or by owning the country's debt. When people start to complain about China's policies, a Chinese representative reminds them that China owns them lock stock and barrel, and then an apology along with copious amounts of back pedaling ensues (see US toy makers after the lead paint fiascos).

So pardon me if I don't feel sorry for them. No one in the rest of the world is treated with as much fear and trepidation as China. And when they don't feel they get enough respect, they come down on people hard. They are big-boy country. They can clearly take care of themselves.

Re:Colbert is the only Liberal in America with Bal (1)

oyenstikker (536040) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598691)

No, just the first person funny enough to get the opportunity and able to get away with it.

"If you're going to tell people the truth, you better make them laugh; otherwise they'll kill you."
- attributed to Shaw

CmndTaco has a child?! (-1, Troll)

wvmarle (1070040) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598215)

CmdrTaco has a child? And is living with it apparently? That must mean he has a long-term relation with a female... usually children do come with a mother after all. I hope this doesn't mean he's going to be too disconnected from the rest of the /. demographic!

Mods, go ahead, mod me off-topic, I deserve it. I have some karma to burn. I just wanted the above to be said.

Re:CmndTaco has a child?! (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598581)

I hope this doesn't mean he's going to be too disconnected from the rest of the /. demographic!

Yes, with those kinds of distractions he might start making missteps like posting duplicate stories. Imagine what slashdot would become with something like that...

measuring the corepirate nazi execrable damage (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598231)

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Democracy (4, Funny)

Stooshie (993666) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598235)

Shouldn't it be Democrat politicians rather than Democratic politicians. After all, whatever your views on Republican politicians, aren't they Democrati...

Ah, I see your point.

Re:Democracy (2, Insightful)

Rayonic (462789) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598499)

I forget, which party is the one that runs un-democratic caucuses during their primaries?

Huh?!? (2, Funny)

BitterOldGUy (1330491) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598313)

Moreover, even a cursory analysis demonstrates that despite being a comedy program The Colbert Report appears to exercise ''disproportionate real world influence'' - likely due to the ''elite demographic'' of its audience.

Elite? Ohhhhhh, I get it. Nice jab at the McCain campaign there!

Dem elites! (1)

cunamara (937584) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598323)

Well, as the saying goes, "correlation is not causation" and it's quite possible that the "Colbert Bump" is just a myth. And besides that, the "elite demographic" is mainly Republicans- the top 5% of wealth holders in the US doesn't tend to vote blue.

Re:Dem elites! (2, Insightful)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598549)

Hmmm...sure are a lot of rich Dems though, aren't there? We just give them a pass. They can tell us to bike to work and reduce our carbon footprint while they fly private jets and ride in SUV cavalcades.

Re:Dem elites! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598791)

Straw man arguments are lies.

Re:Dem elites! (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598553)

Actually, the wealthy in the US are pretty evenly split. For example, the Hilton clan leans right, while the Hyatt clan goes left. Many businessfolk are conservative, while most entertainment & media folk are liberal. There's big money on both sides.

Re:Dem elites! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598643)

I think they meant intellectually elite.

Re:Dem elites! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598725)

Much like Occam's razor, "correlation is not causation" is not a valid argument by itself. You can not just repeat trite sayings and hope to support the basis of an argument. Plus, I'm not sure about your word associations, but 'elite" is not synonymous with rich. The term "elitist" is along the same lines of extremist. They come is a large variety of groups.

Relevant (1, Offtopic)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598333)

If this were a politically oriented web site, I could see this being posted, but not on the front page. It would be buried under a dozen or so more relevant.

This is Slashdot. It is tech oriented. I understand politics are important, but the slant has always been how politics will impact our IT related issues. So net neutrality is very relevant. This is not.

I am absolutely baffled how this got accepted as a story.

Re:Relevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598435)

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately Slashdot is suffering the same flaws as Digg. Obviously the majority of visitors to these two websites lean heavily liberal, but let's stick to the topic....technology! There are plenty other websites to bicker about who's politician is better, etc...

Re:Relevant (2, Insightful)

verifine (685231) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598681)

I used to spend a lot of time on the C|Net site, but in the last year or two they've gone very "green", often "hard left" - and the point is good. This is not supposed to be about politics, and just because we're techies doesn't mean we all fall in lockstep with a political philosophy. And much of "environmentalism" is highly political. So report on "green" by all means, but keep the emphasis on how tech relates to it. When a post assumes that everyone worships Al Gore's position, you lose me as a reader. I'm also surprised to see this on Slashdot. Where's the tech angle? I think there are enough political sites that it's inappropriate for a purely political post to appear here. Let's hope that it isn't the policy at /. to drive away anyone who doesn't lean hard left.

Re:Relevant (2, Interesting)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598705)

Well, it's news for Nerds and stuff that matters.

The Colbert Report is a popular show among a lot of demographics (nerds included). I'm sure if John Stewart or Stephen Colbert dropped dead today the story would make it onto Slashdot's front page and nobody would complain that it wasn't truly Slashdot material.

On top of which, the story connects with politics so that adds just of a little of "stuff that matters."

Re:Relevant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598883)

You sir, are an idiot. I'm not sure if you just like to bitch, or you rarely ever actually read the articles on this site; but there are a wide variety of topics that are not exclusively "Tech". Just look at all the topics (It's a link on the left side of the main page.) If you can not appreciate the fact that this site discusses varied topics, go somewhere else, or set your preferences to not show you topics that you don't care for. Or I guess continue to be short sighted and think this site should only have articles that you seem to approve of.

Good stuff (1)

gx5000 (863863) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598367)

Even though it makes me sad, I love these guys, Colbert and Stewart.
They make me laugh c'ause otherwise I'd be crying all the time about the things I cannot change.
I hope Stephen does get to talk at the Dems convention, it'll be a funny romp indeed !
As far as the rise in donations, the US gets to see their politicians in a social contect
out of the norm for most of them, and so if they show something of a personality, they get
the attention they deserve...sorry cookie !

Correlation != Causation (1)

TheGrapeApe (833505) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598377)

The candidates probably wouldn't be invited on the show in the first place unless they were "up-and-coming" and exposed to the Democratic donor base before they got on the show. It would be just as logical to say that their increase in donations is the reason they get invited on the show and not the other way around.

bring on the flamefest (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24598403)

and this is on slashdot why exactly? oh, that's right. it's because slashdot isn't a tech site around election time. instead it turns into the two minute hate website for the dnc.

and people wonder why so many can not related to the big parties anymore with hate machines like slashdot shoving it down people's throats!

Re:bring on the flamefest (3, Insightful)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598521)

Be fair, it's not slashdot that's the problem.

It's the corrupt assholes that pay lip service to the electorate during campaigns and then go right back to screwing them for money the minute it's all over.

The big two party systems is the problem, not the people that it's driven to cynicism.

This is a surprise? (5, Insightful)

DesScorp (410532) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598575)

"In contrast, their Republican counterparts essentially gain nothing."

Well there's a shock. I've always thought that Republicans going on Stewart's or Colbert's show was a complete waste of time, unless their aim was to be mocked mercilessly with no benefits whatsoever. Stewart at least tries to be somewhat balanced (as much as his politics will allow him), but Colbert wastes no time with such ideas.

It'd be like a liberal Democrat going on Rush Limbaugh's program. Just what do you think you're going to get out of it? You're certainly going into hostile territory with little hope of reward. You're not going to sway that audience's opinions... they're pretty well set. I think a Republican going on Colbert's show is not only a waste of time, it's worse. He has a young liberal audience, and if anything changes their opinions, it'll be time and experience. Nothing you say is going to sway them.

"despite being a comedy program" (4, Interesting)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598597)

Both the Colbert Report and the Daily Show are not mere news parodies or simple comedies. They're actual news shows that also happen to be funny. They don't make stuff up like SNL or the Onion, they present real news.

Sort of like the movie Shaun of the Dead. Despite what people think, it was not a parody of zombie movies, it was a real zombie movie that also happened to be really funny.

Re:"despite being a comedy program" (0, Flamebait)

east coast (590680) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598683)

Please. If it doesn't have the name "George A. Ramero" on it, it's not a real zombie movie.

Re:"despite being a comedy program" (1)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598813)

I'll admit that Night of the Living Dead was a brilliant movie. However, the rest of his movies are crap. Contrived crap for the purpose of expounding on his social and political views. I'm not saying I disagree with his views, I'm just saying a zombie movie is probably not the best forum for discussing them.

Re:"despite being a comedy program" (1)

AP31R0N (723649) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598781)

{Off Topic}

i figured that SotD was a Romantic Comedy in the middle of a zombie outbreak.

The Bump starts before Colbert (5, Informative)

tb()ne (625102) | more than 5 years ago | (#24598673)

If you look at the charts in the original article [apsanet.org], the bump starts around two weeks before they actually appear on the show. Which makes me suspect that the Bump is more likely due to the candidate making a round of interviews (of which Colbert is one), rather than it being due specifically to the Colbert interview.

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