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Vendors Rally While Windows Sleeps

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the metaphors-just-don't-get-any-better dept.

Intel 321

Anti-Globalism sends along a PCWorld article outlining two technologies from Intel and Dell that do an end run around Windows. "Dell, Intel and their partners announced last week new technologies that represent major leaps forward for mobility. The companies seem to have discovered the secret to making such bold leaps: Cut Microsoft out of the deal. One technology involves enabling users to gain instant access to a laptop's e-mail, browser and other basic functionality — without booting Windows at all. The second technology enables an Internet-based message to wake a Windows PC from sleep mode. These new technologies are perfect metaphors for what's happening in the industry... Windows is asleep while Microsoft's own partners give users what they really want."

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321 comments

Sensationlist much? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652345)

This is retarded and sensational.

Re:Sensationlist much? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652439)

This is retarded and sensational.

In other words, perfect front-page material. You must be new here.

Re:Sensationlist much? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652571)

Gawker publicity is not good publicity. Nobody who reads the shit over there is going to see the movie. Does Tucker have you guys by the balls so hard that you can't even see past his idiotic assertions? Most of the stuff they mocked at Gawker came from Tucker Max's script and a story posted on this message board (where he puts someone in his "Awesome Guy Hall of Fame" for killing Mexicans). Look at the bad reviews on amazon, half of them say that their review was deleted 2 or 3 times. Look at the Opie and Anthony show. Even the stuff that is unverifiable is said upfront to be unverifiable.

Also, where is Tucker saying that Bunny's "What it is like to date Tucker Max" list is fake? No where because Tucker Max is garbage.

The kicker here is that the shit with BC Woods was written to answer a frequently asked question. Why was "What happened to your Rudius Media site?" a frequent question? Because that site was second only to Tuckers in terms of traffic, and he had a lot of fans wanting to know what happened. Go to daddydonthitme.com and look at the comments on BC Woods entries. No one was saying that his entries sucked.

What the hell are you guys clinging onto here? Do you just like having a dick to suck? To the moderators who will inevitably delete this since it is negative (God forbid Tucker actually responds to legitimate issues), don't you have something better to do than to white wash Tucker's message boards? Then again, if you're a moderator of it already, probably not.

At least (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652351)

Well, at least windows platform is open enough to be able to do all that - unlike some other particular 'hardware' supplier.

It's the BIOS, not windows (3, Informative)

mangu (126918) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652363)

You could at least read the summary, it's a BIOS that runs Linux without booting windows.

Re:It's the BIOS, not windows (4, Informative)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652477)

You could at least read the article, it's an ARM SoC that serves as a separate UMPC inside the laptop. Kind of like having a N810 inside your laptop if you will.

Re:It's the BIOS, not windows (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652531)

You can will an N810 inside your laptop?
[gently nods head in respect tinged with envy]

Re:It's the BIOS, not windows (4, Interesting)

cmacb (547347) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652681)

You both must be new here.

It doesn't matter if it's in the BIOS, or uses a second processor.

What matters is that it allows your laptop to "just work" rather than having to wait for the bloated monstrosity that is Windows to become usable (or as usable as it gets).

I was delighted to find that my old Compaq laptop allowed you to run on the CD player to listen to music without booting up the machine at all. This looks like an extension of that philosophy. I can imagine having a laptop that would never be fully booted except to run some "legacy" program. It only took us what, 20+ years to get here!

Re:It's the BIOS, not windows (2, Interesting)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652881)

Well if you're never fully going to boot into the regular x86 OS you're wasting your money on a perfectly good hard drive, PC RAM, x86 CPU and mobile graphics card that sit in your laptop unused when only using the UMPC mode.

However I must agree that a web/mail appliance mode that just works sounds like a nice thing.

No, only I'm New Here (5, Funny)

New Here (701369) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653097)

No, only I'm New Here

Re:It's the BIOS, not windows (5, Insightful)

jackchance (947926) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653141)

It doesn't matter if it's in the BIOS, or uses a second processor.

It does matter that it uses a 2nd processor that is very power efficient. I haven't used a windows laptop in a while, but if you just wake your computer from sleep how long does it really take?

I think the real advantage of this is battery savings from running on an ARM processor.

From the article:

If you use only the Latitude ON system, battery life lasts not hours but days, according to Dell.

Re:It's the BIOS, not windows (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24653283)

Wow, imagine.. maybe someday we could put an entire operating system into the BIOS and, since it had to be small and fast to fit in there, we wouldn't have to load Windows at all!

And I'm not saying Linux would be that OS either. We should shoot for something smaller and more lightweight.

Re:It's the BIOS, not windows (2, Funny)

gallwapa (909389) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653367)

ohhh boy. Cue the posters that scream "Linux is a kernel" :p

Re:It's the BIOS, not windows (4, Funny)

beav007 (746004) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653383)

You could at least read the article, it's an ARM SoC that serves as a separate UMPC inside the laptop. Kind of like having a N810 inside your laptop if you will.

Didn't you get the memo? We don't RTFA. We simply skim TFS for keywords, and then post with an authoritative tone, as though we had not only read TFA, but had actually authored it AND examined the subject in a PhD thesis.

You must be new here...

Re:At least (-1, Offtopic)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652467)

In reference to a post I made last week: OFFSALRTFS. I'm both hoping and dreading that this acronym will catch on. "Oh For Fuck's Sake At Least Read The Fucking Summary".

Great... (0, Redundant)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652355)

we can wake Windows remotely. This seems like a major security issue if not implemented correctly.

Re:Great... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652403)

Gee, thanks Captain Obvious. Anything that's not implemented correctly is a major security issue...

Re:Great... (3, Insightful)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652497)

Anything that's not implemented correctly is a major security issue...

Even when implemented correctly it can still be a major security issue, it just becomes an even bigger one when not done correctly. Some ideas (ActiveX?) should just not ever be implemented and implementing them poorly is just asking for trouble.

Re:Great... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24653095)

Okay. Do you have something to add about whether this technology is one of those ideas which should never be implemented?

Re:Great... (3, Funny)

VoltageX (845249) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652527)

Windows won't wake, because the buggy chipset drivers mean it's now frozen in standby.

Re:Great... (5, Funny)

node 3 (115640) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653181)

we can wake Windows remotely. This seems like a major security issue if not implemented correctly.

No kidding. Waking Windows locally is already a big enough security issue as it is!

Windows? (1)

siyavash (677724) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652361)

I think you mean "Microsoft is sleeping", Microsoft can sleep, but I doubt Windows ( an OS ) can sleep. It can be put to sleep though. :p

Re:Windows? (1)

XcepticZP (1331217) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653021)

I think he meant to have a play on words. Because windows is "sleeping" while vendors find ways to do things without turning windows on. Kind of a gay play on words, but hey, it was approved. Joy... Not

When did Microsoft become a hardware company? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24653293)

This posting is amazingly odd. It's claiming that these gigantic hardware companies are somehow magically avoiding Microsoft. But last time I checked... Microsoft was a software company.

MS doesn't put out hardware specs, they don't design laptops (or desktops), they aren't giving these companies dictates from on high, etc. Also... neither OSX nor Teh Lunix are driving this innovation... so how is this "Vendors Rally While Windows Sleeps"? Windows is software. So what does that have to do with somebody making hardware with extra features?

Stupidity like that is exactly why computers are still using the archaic BIOS-based system, rather than making an intelligent and modern hardware platform. HARDWARE platform... meaning it's absurd to think Microsoft needs to hold their weiner while these hardware companies use the bathroom.

This is just symptomatic of the degree to which MS-haters need to stretch to find criticisms. MS hate at any cost, even when the cost is looking and sounding like a complete and total irrational idiot. MS is not daddy. Hardware companies actually CAN figure out how to do hardware stuff, all by themselves!

Wow! Wake On Lan! (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652367)

OMG, 1996 called, it wants its story back.

Re:Wow! Wake On Lan! (4, Interesting)

DanWS6 (1248650) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652559)

There's a bit more to it than that, from the article:

"The Intel-JaJah combination will enable you to dump your landline phone and use a PC-based VoIP phone without leaving your PC on all the time"

Re:Wow! Wake On Lan! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652837)

Intel-JaJah

Ire, mon!

It seems like (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652369)

someone took a hint from 80s era technology (i.e. HP Calculators, TI hardware, etc.)

yawn (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652375)

zZzzZz

Re:yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652915)

I agree with this post.

They're missing out on a great opportunity (5, Funny)

duckInferno (1275100) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652385)

Put microsoft's hand in warm water while they're at it. We'll get the next version of Windows a year early!

Re:They're missing out on a great opportunity (-1, Offtopic)

uassholes (1179143) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652521)

I wish I had some moderator points.

I already have these features (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652399)

in my Asus P5E3 motherboard. Now if only I can get the memory issues sorted out...

WTF is this shit? (2, Insightful)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652407)

Wake on LAN is ancient.
Dual booting is ancient.

Re:WTF is this shit? (5, Informative)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652459)

Fuck it, I'll reply to myself.

"Microsoft has been pushing Remote Desktop and its communications software for years. But apparently it never occurred to anyone in Redmond that people might want to leave their PCs in sleep mode, then have them turn on for remote access or VoIP calls."

Remote Desktop supports wake on LAN.
When you try to connect, it tries to wake the machine up. If the machine has wake on lan enabled, and you don't have any NAT issues, it'll work.

Microsoft Challenge? (2, Interesting)

Nymz (905908) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652697)

Perhaps there is a group that would like Microsoft to enter and control the motherboard and hardware markets. Or perhaps someone is just regurgitating anti-MS propaganda in order to feel smart without actually thinking for themselves. I guess that as long as they stay out of political discussions, I can live with it.

Re:WTF is this shit? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24653275)

I don't know, seeing as how the submitter calls himself "Anti-Globalism" (with a link to his website) and he includes some stupid, Slashdot-pandering quip in the summary about how "Windows is asleep", I'd say this person has engineered this story so kdawson would pick it up (thinking it would be perfect for the Slashdot crowd) and promote his own website.

Slashdot, you have been gamed.

Here's a strategy for Microsoft (3, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652435)

One strategy for Microsoft in order to counter this trend is to modify its Windows OS license in a way that specifically prohibits this kind of set-up.

This way, a laptop will have to run a non Windows OS in order to be participant in DELL's "DELL Latitude On" or INTEL's "Intel Remote Wake."

I know this is not illegal.

Re:Here's a strategy for Microsoft (4, Insightful)

bendodge (998616) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652601)

Well yeah, but I'm sure Dell wouldn't just open wide and swallow that. And a licensing clause like that sounds like a good target for more anti-trust lawsuits, which the EU seems to relish.

Re:Here's a strategy for Microsoft (4, Insightful)

node 3 (115640) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653213)

I know this is not illegal.

This is the exact type of behavior MS was convicted of a decade ago.

New technologies (0)

Broken Toys (1198853) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652451)

Running Linux instead of Windows is one of the "new technologies"?

Really? You're going with that?

Re:New technologies (4, Informative)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652679)

Yeah, because it runs of entirely separate hardware, i.e. not the same processor/RAM and doesn't use the hard drive. And the great thing is because it runs off a lower power ARM SoC and doesn't have to power any hard drive the thing can stay on for more than a day instead of a mere few hours. It's really two computers inside of one.

Re:New technologies (2, Interesting)

Broken Toys (1198853) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652967)

The concept that a vendor could sidestep the restrictions imposed by Windows by using another OS is hardly new.

The idea of running a second OS on a laptop is hardly new. It's two computers in one box - that's not a new technology, that's space efficiency ;-)

Re:New technologies (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653019)

Duh, well that's the thing. The novelty isn't that it uses two OSes, it's that it uses two different computers using two different architectures. A sort of siamese computer in a sense..

Vista just isn't good with normal laptops yet (5, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652457)

It takes way too many resources. Maybe 3 years down the line, but Microsoft really dropped the ball by ignoring the reality of the fastest growing segment in computer sales.

Because of this, Apple is having great sales on the high/upper-mid-end with it's very nice line notebooks and Linux is getting a start on the lower end.

Without Vista, I don't think it would have been possible for Linux to get a foothold.

The year of Linux on the Desktop is distant, but thanks to Microsoft, the Year of Linux on the notebook looks like it's becoming reality sooner rather than later.

And the way a distro like Ubuntu evolves so quickly from year to year, I think it's a mistake that MS can't afford to do again.

In a few years, we'll see that MS was the one who dropped the ball to allow the competition the elbow room to come in.

It's also making things worse by having so many different versions and while it's debatable that Vista should have been wholly 64bit (definitely by Windows 7), MS doesn't even have the decency to provide 32/64bit on the same disc but is trying to grab every nickel it can from it's customers who chose one or the other (many discs don't qualify from alternative media).

Correction (5, Funny)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652473)

Apple is having decent sales in the overpriced, zealot segment.

Re:Vista just isn't good with normal laptops yet (2, Insightful)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652683)

"Without Vista, anti-trust law suits and billions of dollars in fines, I don't think it would have been possible for Linux to get a foothold."

--there, fixed it for you.

Re:Vista just isn't good with normal laptops yet (4, Informative)

j0217995 (597878) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652717)

Really? Linux on the laptop is growing? Just based on non scientific study but i'm in a lot of airports across the United States. I can count on the one hand the laptops I've seen that are running Linux this year, 2. I do see a growing a number of Macs, but I am hearing more and more of the Vista startup sound on Laptops as the year goes on.

If this growth in Linux laptops are growing, I haven't seen them

Re:Vista just isn't good with normal laptops yet (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24653073)

You don't understand. Linux is growing on the laptops in those worlds like WoW and Mom's basement... The worlds where Linux users live... So, don't be so hard on them. They are way too losers already. I can count on my fingers all the pathetic losers I know who are using Linux on desktops or laptops, instead of servers ONLY. And all the 5 of them were kids I used to beat, drown their heads on the sink and take lunch money since kindergarten...

Re:Vista just isn't good with normal laptops yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24653341)

kids I used to beat, drown their heads on the sink and take lunch money since kindergarten...

Bully eh? Research has proven that bullys are always subject to bullying themselves, either from higher up the pecking order, or by their sexually abusive parent/s. Ha ha.

Re:Vista just isn't good with normal laptops yet (3, Informative)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652773)

Sorry call BS with that.

I have a Dell XPS M1330 running Vista Ultimate, and its been flawless and has been for 9 months now.
It has dedicated graphics and 3GB of RAM and it has more then enough resources spare to do all of my work.

At times I have had to host visualised servers on it running exchange and domain controllers while performing server migrations and Vista has performed admirably while balancing resources with the Virtual OS's and running my mail and other programs I usually run.

I do have a lot of criticisms of Vista but to say its not ready for normal notebooks is just outright BS.

Re:Vista just isn't good with normal laptops yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652841)

Just curious, how long does your battery last under Vista?

Re:Vista just isn't good with normal laptops yet (2, Informative)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652893)

As long as I'm not doing anything that's running the hardware into the ground I get about 2.5 to 3 hours off a full charge, thats with a 6 Cell battery and I've been meaning to upgrade that to a 9 cell.

Re:Vista just isn't good with normal laptops yet (2, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653217)

It has dedicated graphics and 3GB of RAM and it has more then enough resources spare to do all of my work.

That *isn't* a normal notebook. That is a high-medium to high performance notebook. For everyone else they are lucky to get 2 GB of RAM and a dual-core CPU. Of course Vista will run on it, but XP or Linux is going to run like 10 times better on the thing.

Re:Vista just isn't good with normal laptops yet (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24653253)

If by dedicated graphics you mean the Nvidia 8400 card vs the intel x3100, you should be careful, the chips are doomed:
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/07/27/dell-models-defective-nvidia

FWIW, the x3100 is a dog for 3d [i.e. CAD, modern games - barely runs NWN1], but it's enough to run vista business with the gratuitous eye candy on.

Other than that, the 1330 is indeed nice - I considered getting it but went with the thinkpad x61. Nice little tablet, even if the higher res screen would have been a better idea :)

Three Cheers for Appliance Based Computing (3, Insightful)

Proudrooster (580120) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652461)

Having the computer work just like a TV, toaster, or microwave is very appealing to many. I don't know MS can't come up with refinements to make the computer "just work", but most of the time email and web are all I need. If someone can make that work at the push of a button, I'll probably use it a lot and so will my parents and grandparents.

Re:Three Cheers for Appliance Based Computing (5, Interesting)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652541)

Now it's "I just need web and email.".
Next month it'll be "Sound would be nice.".
Then you'll be bitching "Damn we need support for youtube and flickr up in this bitch.".
Then you'll say "Can we get a fucking IM client and some printer support? It's 2010!".

Ultra mobile / webtop / nettop / netbook / whatever is retarded.

Re:Three Cheers for Appliance Based Computing (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652673)

Hopefully if this gets popular then more apps will be made Web Based. As many already are You can currently IM over the web and you just need Flash. Nothing to much to ask for by 2010.

Re:Three Cheers for Appliance Based Computing (1)

Blazeheart (1330013) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653053)

Not to mention of all the Web Operating Systems that are being developed, so if you want the windows and the start menu without starting up your 'other' OS. The fact that this will be possible and by now since I've seen this article it will be ready soon, now one of Microsoft biggest fears is coming.

Re:Three Cheers for Appliance Based Computing (1)

Damocles the Elder (1133333) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653173)

So what you're saying is less "Vista and full-fledged OSes are fine" and more "We need to keep using the level of tech we have now, but boot it faster ffs."

Which is a sentiment I can toast to, personally.

Re:Three Cheers for Appliance Based Computing (4, Interesting)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653211)

If you want all of that in your long-life Windows laptop, then get yourself a $22 SDHC card and install Ubuntu on it with all the extras. I've tried it. Boots in 3 seconds. No moving parts. Snappy fast and low power if you set it up to turn off your HDD - or better yet, pull that out - you won't need it.

FUD about netbooks (2, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653229)

> Next month it'll be "Sound would be nice.".
> Then you'll be bitching "Damn we need support for youtube and flickr up in this bitch.".
> Then you'll say "Can we get a fucking IM client and some printer support? It's 2010!".
> Ultra mobile / webtop / nettop / netbook / whatever is retarded.

Helloooo, Mcfly!

This Dell thing is kinda retarded but netbooks aren't. An ASUS EEEPC has sound, it ships with a version of mplayer that looks nice and has pretty broad codec support. Firefox has the flash plugin preloaded so youtube isn't an issue. IM? It's in there. Printing? Browse your Windows or CUPS printers out of the box. Browse SMB or NFS file shares while you are at it if the included SSD is getting a little full.

Of course the "can't add apps" thing Dell if throwing around is just crazy talk. Even if they try to close it down it won't work. If it has a penguin inside somebody will open it up and get Debian on it inside the first month. The drama will be whether one of the BSDs release first.

Re:FUD about netbooks (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653403)

"This Dell thing" is not kinda retarded. It's really kinda cool. A long life laptop inside your laptop with Instant on. And it runs Linux. The way SDHC cards are running these days you could socket or solder a 16GB flash drive inside the notebook and install and OS on it, or use it for files. That way a lot of the hardware that burns juice can be turned off unless you need it. Brilliant! Why would you need to wait 7 minutes for Vista to get ready when all you want to do is something trivial like play some videos from your server, browse the Internet, video chat, remote desktop to a server for some weekend service, or mail merge your mailing list database from your document editor and print some letters with envelopes (Letter, both sides, #10 no window). For that stuff you can just use Linux with its instant on feature, and save Vista for the heavy lifting, like, uh, other stuff. Or maybe just pull that HDD out if you're not using it and save both weight and juice.

Bashing the netbooks is lame, though. I'll give you that.

Re:Three Cheers for Appliance Based Computing (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652739)

I don't know MS can't come up with refinements to make the computer "just work", but most of the time email and web are all I need. If someone can make that work at the push of a button, I'll probably use it a lot and so will my parents and grandparents.

To get my parents and grandparents onboard, the computer would need to do more than "just work".

It would literally need to be stupid simple.
Minimal UI with descriptive text instead of icons.
No assumptions that they understand how the UI works or should work.
No right-clicking the mouse (hello Macintosh)
etc etc etc.

Re:Three Cheers for Appliance Based Computing (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653115)

Sounds like they need the faxputer.

My mom (pushing towards the big 7-0) gets by, but she hasn't bothered to understand a whole lot, she still thinks of it as putting pictures 'in' or 'on' the computer. She gets that they can be copied easily (you put them 'on' a cd), but the full abstraction hasn't sunk in. Not by any means.

Re:Three Cheers for Appliance Based Computing (1)

corychristison (951993) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652767)

If someone can make that work at the push of a button

I already do. I push the button to turn on my Monitor.
Easy as that!

Re:Three Cheers for Appliance Based Computing (1)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652981)

Anybody remember the "Swyftcard" for the Apple ][? It was a card with a boot ROM that loaded a PIM-like program instantly.

Nothing new under the Sun, I guess.

Thirdly, ... (1)

kclittle (625128) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652549)

The second technology enables an Internet-based message to wake a Windows PC from sleep mode.

Intel and Dell declined to discuss a rumored third technology, where by after the second has awakened your PC, an virus is installed.

they call this "technology" (0, Troll)

fpgaprogrammer (1086859) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652563)

i'm afraid that they use the term "technology" because they plan on suing you if you don't pay them to license it. a computer that boots quickly from the BIOS to a thin OS and runs Windows in a remotely accessible VM is not new technology in that sense. you can't just append "...that doesn't suck" to existing product descriptions and patent it.

Re:they call this "technology" (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652829)

Where does TFA mention VMs? Quick rant : that's what I hate about way too many Slashdotters. They talk like they know damn well what they're talking about when they have no clue/are assuming things or making stuff up cause they can't be arsed to check.

Re:they call this "technology" (1)

WiseWeasel (92224) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652949)

I hate the fact that they always generalize from what one person is doing to all slashdotters...
: P

Re:they call this "technology" (2)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653005)

Obviously it's far from the first time that I notice this behaviour ;)

Re:they call this "technology" (1)

fpgaprogrammer (1086859) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653259)

who reads TFA? i was describing how my own PC achieves the same goals described in the summary. i hate people who say they hate things and generalize. my clue is huge and raging.

Re:they call this "technology" (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653393)

Oh, so it wasn't clueless of you, it just had nothing to do with anything.

Duh, Can You Say Java? (1, Offtopic)

curmudgeon99 (1040054) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652569)

A lot of us thought this years ago when we got sick of trolling our way through MSDN trying to find the magic page that held the answer to the Microsoft bit of hell for the week. That's one reason why Java is the primary language now, like it or not--because it's neutral as to platform. This is merely the market taking over. This is the American way. Goliath who is sitting on his pile of money eventually gets tipped over. Good riddance to Microsoft.

Re:Duh, Can You Say Java? (2, Funny)

BitterOldGUy (1330491) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652929)

Uh, no. They said "instant on". They didn't say power on the machine, wait a while for the JVM to load, and then work.

Re:Duh, Can You Say Java? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24653169)

The "American Way" is to whine like fat, Jumbolaya-eating, pigs.
If you want to talk like an "American", just block your nose with your thumb and index finger. Have a laugh, then point out how all American's are fat.

What about ISP between and users? (1)

Ikyuao (1073068) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652573)

What if ISP decide to boot some users off a internet so their internet enabled base of windows or whatever as Midori OS in future, It cannot be access to internet, Neither booted users will not able to use MS internet based OS.

EEPC + Latitude (0, Troll)

edisrafeht (1199347) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652581)

This article is a gem. ROFL. From TFA:

What Dell is really doing here is building the equivalent of a secondary Asus Eee PC into a full-featured, full-size laptop. The Latitude On feature uses a low-power Intel ARM processor, flash storage and Linux (SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10) separate from the laptop's main CPU, hard drive and Windows operating system. But unlike a subnotebook, the Latitude On system won't allow you to install applications. It's essentially a "cloud computing" device that depends on the Internet for much of its functionality.

... ON's custom Web browser is based on Firefox. E-mail, "diary" and contacts are, of course, non-Microsoft applications. But some Microsoft data types are supported in one way or another. The system, for example, includes viewers for Microsoft Office documents (as well as for Adobe PDF documents). The built-in organizer grabs the 100 most recent Outlook e-mail messages from the laptop's cache and displays them.

This is just a dual-booting machine that accesses your Windows partitions for documents and emails. The Linux portion also sounds severely limited compared to a regular Linux distro.

File this under "meh".

Re:EEPC + Latitude (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653267)

No, it's not. Don't just judge by the middling article. This really is new and it's part of a new trend from Intel to focus more on the needs of the person using the gadget, which they've been somewhat disassociated from in the past. It's really cool. Try it and see.

In the jungle... (3, Funny)

ZarathustraDK (1291688) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652691)

...the mighty jungle
The Ballmer sleeps tonight...

Somebody continue...

Re:In the jungle... (3, Funny)

PenguinGuy (307634) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652731)

developers, developers, developers...

wasn't that (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652951)

developers, developers
developers, developers
developers, developers
a-wankin' away.

Re:In the jungle... (1)

BitterOldGUy (1330491) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652955)


ah earnings whacka
ah earnings whacka
...

he'll wake up to lower earnings and wall street will cry...

Whoopitydo (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24652791)

I had that "feature" on my Dell laptop and I had to jump through all sorts of stupid hoops to disable it. It was a minimal Windows install. By default, pressing a certain button would either boot to it or f*** up my non-windows partitions. I don't like hardware vendors telling me what software I'm supposed to run, regardless of whether it's Microslop or somebody else.

Re:Whoopitydo (1)

Nushio (951488) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652975)

Pfftt.

I formatted my Dell Inspiron long ago to remove the "MediaDirect" partition for that same reason. I installed Fedora on it, then configured Gnome to launch Amarok whenever I click that button.

I also installed Win XP on it, but without the MediaDirect partition, the button's useless in WinXP.

Why email? (1)

sdemjanenko (1296903) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652801)

seeing as so many people are addicted to email currently i must ask why should email be even more accessible when the computer is off? I mean don't we have enough problems when it is on with it. Some people see a blessing with email - it is nice for quick communication but it spells disaster for productivity.

Re:Why email? (1)

Naked Jaybird (1190469) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653167)

Blackberries to Crackberries. Laptops to Cracktops.

why is this a problem, or news? (3, Interesting)

dAzED1 (33635) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652819)

Windows kicked itself the ass for short term gains that caused them loooong term issues by making such an expansive "operating system" that comes with many, many things that have nothing to do with, well, an OS. The OS should be a platform by upon which other things are based; so why is it news that this is happening? Did slashdot report when Netware 2.0 came out in 1985 and provided an easy way to do filesharing in MSDOS?

It's not news, it's fark^H^H^H^Hslashdot.com? Oh, and I know, please tell me about all the things RedHat comes with...except:

1)those extras aren't forced, they're easy to remove (unless they're gnome...), and they're all OSS

2)you're missing the point. The point is that the OS shouldn't be expected to provide EVERYTHING. It's not a problem when IBM modifies RedHat to work with their LPARs, and it's not news when someone makes a Windows appliance without Windows. That's supposed to happen, on a regular basis.

Sideshow anybody? (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652823)

Isn't Sideshow pretty much exactly what ON was supposed to do except it's attached to the main screen?

Re:Sideshow anybody? (1)

Strudelkugel (594414) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652965)

Isn't Sideshow pretty much exactly what ON was supposed to do except it's attached to the main screen?

Actually Sideshow is designed to work with a small secondary screen [engadget.com] . As for why it never generated interest for the mobile user/traveler: Imagine having a device that you could use to just browse the web and use email, turned on almost instantly and was very portable! Better still, imagine making calls through it!

I'm wondering when I can dispense with the laptop completely and just use some sort of flexible/unfolding display attached to the mobile phone, along with a travel keyboard and mouse, at least for basic business needs.

Shame on you Microsoft... (0, Flamebait)

not already in use (972294) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652869)

...For not magically installing a chip on the motherboard of users clamoring for instant-on technology.

And in the event that MS implements "awake from internet message" technology -- Slashdot headline of the day:

"Microsoft introduces glaring security exploit as 'feature'"

Tags: haha, m$, defectivebydesign

What users really want... (3, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652941)

Windows is asleep while Microsoft's own partners give users what they really want.

Bender: black jack... and hookers. In fact - forget the black jack!

And don't get me started on the phrase "do an end run around Windows" when it clearly should be "reach around" - at least that's the only way *I* can enjoy my Microsoft products. :-)

give users what they really want (-1, Flamebait)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 5 years ago | (#24652973)

What, a Mac?

Re:give users what they really want (1)

od05 (915556) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653051)

Macs have shitty battery life... My MBP gets 3 hours tops

"Windows is asleep" (1)

Namarrgon (105036) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653025)

Somebody send it an Internet-based message to wake it, then.

Slow news day eh? (4, Interesting)

deanston (1252868) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653119)

I have an ancient machine that plays CD/DVD in 5 seconds without booting - it's called a DVD player.

Seriously, HP had PCs that can do that 2-3 years ago. Oracle worked on a DB server that can run without booting into Windows OS more than 5 years ago. On new mobile phones you can open up your email within 5 seconds. Stop giving free press to Intel and Dell until they have the real guts to get away from Windows entirely.

Been done before... (4, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 5 years ago | (#24653189)

On my old Alienware laptop there was a button you could press that loaded a minimal Linux distro to play DVDs and CDs without loading Windows.
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