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Sony To Set Compatibility Standards For PS3 Music Games

Soulskill posted more than 6 years ago | from the just-one-axe-to-grind dept.

PlayStation (Games) 89

Michael Shorrock, Sony's director of third-party relations, announced on the Playstation blog that he's been working with the major music game developers (i.e. Rock Band's Harmonix, Guitar Hero's Activision, and others) to ensure basic compatibility for peripherals between the games. Joystiq has a compatibility matrix that shows which devices work with which games. "...Rock Band 2's guitar and drum set will work with Guitar Hero: World Tour and with Rock Revolution. Conversely, Rock Revolution's drum set will work with both Guitar Hero: World Tour and Rock Band 2. In addition, Guitar Hero: World Tour and Rock Band 2 will both support the SingStar microphones. We're still working hard to ensure compatibility between the Guitar Hero and Rock Band titles currently on the market, and we hope to have an announcement on that shortly." Update: 8/20 17:38 by SS: Reader TheWolfkin notes that Microsoft has now made an official announcement to do this as well.

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First (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24662677)

No one cares.

Re: First (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24669869)

No, only niggers like yourself dont care

Sanity Prevails (3, Insightful)

bestinshow (985111) | more than 6 years ago | (#24662695)

Holy battlesnakes! That actually makes sense! Thanks Sony!

Re:Sanity Prevails (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24662727)

You mean Battletoads, dumbass.
LOVE AND KISSES,
Red

Just showing appreciation (2, Funny)

goldcd (587052) | more than 6 years ago | (#24663645)

towards Sony is making me feel dirty.

Re:Just showing appreciation (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 6 years ago | (#24664265)

It's a pretty obvious gesture after you've seen the frustration it causes people. Still, it is pretty surprising for Sony. Perhaps this is the beginning of a brand new era of Sony not actively annoying their customers.

Oh I'm sure (0, Troll)

goldcd (587052) | more than 6 years ago | (#24664419)

they've got another proprietary memory stick standard in them, an entire division trying to foist ATRAC on me in some other guise and get SonicStage back onto my PC.

Re:Just showing appreciation (5, Informative)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666235)

You would be surprised, if you actually looked at the PS3, and even the PSP with recent firmware you would be suprised at how "open" these so called closed systems are.

Take the PS3. It was hammered on launch, for being too little too late, and too costly. Now, with recent firmware updates, and its overall better hardware design (no Red Ring of Death), has now made it a decent games system, a phenomenal Blu Ray, and upscaling DVD/DivX/Xvid/media player. Anandtech has revised its original 6 out of 10 score to now 9 out of 10, with high praise.

Connectivity? Standard WiFi, Ethernet, USB and Bluetooth are all there. Even the controllers use bluetooth, no proprietary wireless standard. You can even connect the PSP wirelessly via stanard WiFi or internet.

Running out of ports/sockets? No worries, they are just standard USB 2.0 ports and you can use a normal USB hub to expand them. No need to any proprietry crap to extend the number of ports on the unit. The controllers charge from the USB ports using normal USB A to Mini USB cables. (you can use standard USB chargers too, like a Motorola V3i, or Blackberry charger)

Need a Keyboard or Mouse? No problem, just either attach a USB one, or get a bog standard Bluetooth one.

Need a universal media player? You got that! BlueRay, DVD, VCD, DivX/Xvid (its actually DivX certified), AAC, MP3, and a growing list of media support. It also acts as a standard DNLA client, so can pick up media from other computers, and DNLA media servers via the network. I have got it to work with Nero Home server, Windows Media Player, TVarsity (FOSS), and even a Nokia N95.

You want to run Linux on a PS3? no problem, it works, support is built to boot other operating systems (under a hypervisor). Sony officially supports Yellow Dog Linux for PS3, but there are versions of Ubuntu, Fedora, and others. There is work in porting Myth onto the PS3.

You want additional Hard Drive Space? No problem, just replace the built in hard drive with a larger standard SATA 2.5inch drive. The manual event explains how to do it.

Proprietary Memory Cards? No way! It uses standard USB Storage Devices. No need for proprietary Memory Cards. Backups can be done to normal USB Drives. Those lucky ones who got an earlier 60/80gb PS3, have built in Card Readers too (CF, SD, MemoryStick). The PS3s that don't have memory card readers, you can easily attach a USB version.

Home Brew? Didnt i say it runs Linux? In fact there is a YouTube video of some masochists, booting Linux on their PS3, then running Windows XP in VM Ware, crazy, considering there is not a LOT of memory there!

Its a very good system, and I bought it without any question, and am still pretty amazed at what it can do, certainly for its price.

Oh, and I recently bought a Sony 40Inch Bravia 1080p LCD, for £650 with 5 year warranty from Costco. This is actually cheaper than a similar Samsung (and i feel better performing).

Maybe they are only changing in some markets, but lets see.

Re:Just showing appreciation (3, Insightful)

Raenex (947668) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666305)

Home Brew? Didnt i say it runs Linux?

You don't get full access to the hardware. I agree on your other points, it's a nice system.

Re:Just showing appreciation (2, Informative)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666617)

Yes the two main things you dont have access to are the GPU (which i cannot fully understand), and parts of the Blu Ray handling, not surprising as they dont want Linux Access to help facilitate piracy do they? :)

Re:Just showing appreciation (1)

bentcd (690786) | more than 6 years ago | (#24670239)

Yes the two main things you dont have access to are the GPU (which i cannot fully understand) . .

Presumably because they don't want to see a thriving market for unlicensed games with high-quality graphics, which could easily happen if, say, Linux had full access to the GPU.

Re:Just showing appreciation (2, Interesting)

amorsen (7485) | more than 6 years ago | (#24669861)

In fact there is a YouTube video of some masochists, booting Linux on their PS3, then running Windows XP in VM Ware, crazy, considering there is not a LOT of memory there!

Those would be fakes then. PS3 is a PPC-based system. VMWare doesn't run on PPC. You could do it in Qemu, but it would be so slow that there would be no point.

Re:Just showing appreciation (1)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24675077)

I am not sure what VM it was using it probably was Qemu, it definitely was NOT a fake. and yes it was AWFULLY slow 4 minuites to boot. (hence my comment that some masochists were doing it)

here are some links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Ecr8tWetI [youtube.com] (XP on PS3 under VM on Linux)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-CrEAzpuxc [youtube.com] (Vista 32bit on PS3 - uses QEmu)

Re:Just showing appreciation (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24671079)

AnandTech gave the PS3 a 9 out of 10!? What the heck? We have never reviewed the Playstation 3. Here's what we've written on the PS3:

An article when Sony introduced the PS3 [anandtech.com]
An article discussing the internal technology of the PS3 (and 360) [anandtech.com]
And an article covering it (and the Wii) at E3 2006 [anandtech.com]

We have never reviewed the PS3, in fact we don't even use point scores. I'm not sure if you have us confused with someone else or are trying to attach our name to the PS3, but in either case I'd like to make it clear that we have never reviewed the PS3 as you have described.

Re:Just showing appreciation (2, Interesting)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 6 years ago | (#24671741)

Their XviD/etc. video playback is still not entirely awesome, although I haven't checked since the last update. The PS3's wireless connection keeps dropping out, making streaming sometimes a chore; the Wii doesn't have this problem. Some files that the 360 could play, the PS3 couldn't.

I finally used the memory card slot the other day. I took out the SDHC card in my HD camera and put it into the slot. The card came up on video and the AVCHD video from my Canon camera played back without a problem.

The only thing the PS3 lacks as a great BD player is analog outs for audio. You're stuck with HDMI (great if your TV or receiver has it) or you have to use optical, which can downmix the audio depending on the format it is in.

Re:Just showing appreciation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24678805)

The only thing the PS3 lacks as a great BD player is analog outs for audio.

Sorry, but thats just plain wrong. If you want analog out for the speakers, why not just use the breakout cable that came with your PS3 and then route the audio over the analog connections instead of the HDMI cable?

Not sure WHY (since most TVs that have HDMI input also have Audio outputs, so you COULD run the output from there), but its very easily doable.

Re:Just showing appreciation (1)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24687117)

Not sure WHY (since most TVs that have HDMI input also have Audio outputs, so you COULD run the output from there), but its very easily doable.

Because, TV outputs are usually "processed" so your are in effect getting second generation from the TV (as opposed to first generation from the PS3)

Though, to be honest, the "BEST" audio is using dedicated Audio Decks, is via HDMI, following that Optical, and finally Analogue.

Re:Just showing appreciation (1)

donaldm (919619) | more than 6 years ago | (#24687461)

The only thing the PS3 lacks as a great BD player is analog outs for audio. You're stuck with HDMI (great if your TV or receiver has it) or you have to use optical, which can downmix the audio depending on the format it is in.

You are wrong on this, it is very easy to configure the PS3 to output in composite (ie. video - standard definition plus L/R stereo - ok but!) or component (ie, L/R stereo - ok but! plus 3 video cables - upto 1080p) or you could use optical sound (on a good sound system it's fantastic) or you could use HDMI. Of course if you really want you can mix your outputs.

I normally use HDMI for my video although I have tried component which also looks and sounds great. Since my sound system has HDMI switching I don't want to use my HDTV speakers (they are ok but not fantastic) so I tried the L/R stereo connection from my component cables (sounds quite good). Next I used the optical out since my sound system supports this (Wow! impressive).

Most modern LCD/Plasma HDTV's (720p and/or 1080p) do take HDMI but component is great as well and if you have a good sound system that supports optical, that is the way to go unless your sound system can split off sound from HDMI.

Anyone IMHO who uses composite cables to a HDTV is really doing themselves a disservice, unfortunately many people don't know and if you have a friend who has done this please point it out to them since good component and/or HDMI cables are not that expensive unless you go for the so-called top brands like "Monster", then I think I would shake my head and walk away.

Re:Just showing appreciation (1)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 6 years ago | (#24751977)

Sorry, I meant 6-channel analog outputs: left and right fronts, left and right rears, center, and subwoofer.

Optical is better than your regular red/white analog jacks, but it's not better than HDMI. Optical cables are limited in the bitrate of information they can pass through, so they downmix audio to a lower bitrate. This "downmix" is still DTS quality so it probably doesn't affect 95% of people.

Re:Just showing appreciation (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 6 years ago | (#24675233)

Except.
1. No games I really must have.
2. For a game system I find it expensive.
3. I don't care about blue ray and I can get an UP converting DVD player that handles Divix for under $50.
4. Linux is crippled on it. You can not use all the hardware so it is at best a toy.
5. Sony. Rootkit DRM loving Sony. The only company that seems to out Evil Microsoft.

I still may end up getting one because my wife Loves Singstar. The hard drive swaping is nice but the lack of games that interest me keeps me from buying it. I still have Hundreds of games that I have yet to play on my PS2 and now they are cheap.

Re:Just showing appreciation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24675761)

If the PS3 is so damned great what the hell prevents the 40GB version from playing PS2 games while the 80GB version plays them just fine? There is NO REASON for that sort of nonsense. It will play PSX games just fine, why the hell not support the PS2? It's all emulation in the end, FFS!

Re:Just showing appreciation (1)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24687165)

If the PS3 is so damned great what the hell prevents the 40GB version from playing PS2 games while the 80GB version plays them just fine? There is NO REASON for that sort of nonsense. It will play PSX games just fine, why the hell not support the PS2? It's all emulation in the end, FFS!

Because the 80GB (US/Japanese) version has both the PS2 Emotion Engine processor, and the Graphics Synthesizer. The 60GB (Europe version) has the Graphics Synthesizer, and emulates the EE engine in software. The 40GB has neither in order to save costs (as well as a not insignificant amount of electricity usage), and unless they can entirely emulate both processors in software.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3 [wikipedia.org]

The PS1 is readily emulated by the PS3's Cell Processor (and the PSP/PS2 using Hardware).

Fake (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 6 years ago | (#24687187)

Home Brew? Didnt i say it runs Linux? In fact there is a YouTube video of some masochists, booting Linux on their PS3, then running Windows XP in VM Ware, crazy, considering there is not a LOT of memory there!

1. There is no PowerPC hosted VMware
2. There is no Windows XP for PowerPC

It has to be QEMU running x86 on powerpc or the video is fake. QEMU is impressive, but it's no where near native speed. And Windows games have a lot of difficulty with the videocard that QEMU emulates.

Running Windows on a PS3 is a toy, in the future try not to present it as anything else.

Re:Fake (1)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24702373)

I was mistaken to use the term VMWARE, and did originally mean to just say "Virtual MAchine", that was part tiredness, part typo. Bt I have followed up, on that, as someone much earlier than you also pointed it out. If you read my follow up, yes i said i was mistaken in assuming it was VMWARE, and I understod it as QEMU, I also posted some videos on you tube of both XP and Vista running on the PS3

I NEVER implied that Running Windows XP on the PS3 is anything more than a toy (I said there are some masochists rtrying to run Windows XP there). IT is a toy, and i never even tried to suggest more. re-read my words.

Home Brew? Didnt i say it runs Linux? In fact there is a YouTube video of some masochists, booting Linux on their PS3, then running Windows XP in VM Ware [Should have wrote Virtual Machine/emulator] , crazy, considering there is not a LOT of memory there!

if you thought that means that running XP on the PS3 is "workable". then I am sorry.

However, what is so "Fake" about it, as you have wrote on yoru subject line is a total mystery, especially considering I have replied (with videos) to the QEMU thing ages before you posted this. I coudl assume your comment as "redundant"

Re:Just showing appreciation (0)

zonker (1158) | more than 6 years ago | (#24669377)

I wouldn't get my hopes up on that. I think Sony just has a few good eggs in the PS3 group. However Sony as a whole is gigantic and the various groups don't tend to interact much. This makes their gaming division somewhat unique in the company because the entertainment group (movies, music), media group (MemoryStick, UMD, Blu-Ray) and other various hardware groups work together on common goals. I can't see such a large corporate cultural shift happening any time soon. Sony is a stodgy old company that reacts slowly and conservatively but the PlayStation unit has been their biggest profit center for quite some time so hopefully I'm wrong.

Re:Just showing appreciation (1)

renegadesx (977007) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666575)

towards Sony is making me feel dirty.

Don't worry, Microsoft just announced they are doing this too.

"For the record, we also do that, so consider this an official announcement. All the instruments from Rock Band 2, Guitar Hero: World Tour, and Rock Revolution will be cross-compatible."

http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/kotaku/full/~3/369409662/microsoft-+-all-our-instruments-cross+compatible-too [gawker.com]

Re:Sanity Prevails (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#24664229)

You really shouldn't take the battlesnakes' names in vain.

Re:Sanity Prevails (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 6 years ago | (#24664659)

Now if only they could make these peripherals work across platforms. Aren't they all USB and bluetooth anyway?

Re:Sanity Prevails (2, Insightful)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666287)

ironically only Sony's "Own" PS3 uses normal BlueTooth and USB for its connectivity (see my above post). The XBOX 360uses a proprietary Wireless Standard, and stuff. The Wii uses Bluetooth I believe, but it has some weird wired connectors.

Actually I have a beef with Guitar Hero, why the HELL does it use a weird USB propritry wireless dongle on the PS3, when they could have just made a bluetooth guitar? Maybe scared that people will use it on other games, or with a PC?

Just a waste of a USB socket, and a waste of the PS3's built in Bluetooth. Maybe this is why Sony is trying to standardize this?

Re:Sanity Prevails (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24682771)

From what I read somewhere (can't remember), at the time they made Guitar Hero, the Sony Bluetooth stack was a total mess. They couldn't figure out how to get it working so they went with the USB thing to get the game out on time.

How About Making it Cheaper? (0, Troll)

TheNecromancer (179644) | more than 6 years ago | (#24662755)

Can you please make it compatible with my wallet?

Re:How About Making it Cheaper? (4, Insightful)

powerlord (28156) | more than 6 years ago | (#24663409)

Can you please make it compatible with my wallet?

Isn't that what they are doing?

By trying to make the game makers "play nice" and getting instruments cross-game compatible, buying an instrument for one game means you only need to buy a game to play the second game, instead of needing to pay for a new instrument as well.

Re:How About Making it Cheaper? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24663803)

Given the prices they gouge you for in Europe (Rock Band with instruments is near $400 equivalent)... No. No it's not what they're doing. I've little doubt this just means they'll try to get even more money for the instruments

Re:How About Making it Cheaper? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24664231)

Or you can buy both games without instruments, and since there's a standard on how the instruments work, you can buy third party instruments that are cheaper and work with both games.

Glad someone is doing this ... (3, Interesting)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 6 years ago | (#24662757)

Right now, it's a complete crap shoot.

The guitar which came with Rock Band for the Wii is a piece of crap, but it can't use my Guitar Hero guitars. For reasons completely unknown to me, the USB guitars from RB for the XBox don't even work with the USB hub that comes with RB on the Wii.

How is it even possible that a USB guitar isn't compatible across those two platforms unless RB only has support for the wireless guitar they issued for the Wii?

The idea of having to buy a whole separate set of instruments for GH4 drives me nutty.

It really would be good for someone to enforce some standardization so the consumer doesn't end up getting gouged.

Cheers

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (4, Informative)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 6 years ago | (#24662923)

today's word is Proprietary

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24663733)

brought to you by the letters f and u.

Can you tell me how to get .. (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 6 years ago | (#24687199)

Just you wait until the Sesame Street episode covering copyright infringement is released.

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (5, Interesting)

Moryath (553296) | more than 6 years ago | (#24663251)

For reasons completely unknown to me, the USB guitars from RB for the XBox don't even work with the USB hub that comes with RB on the Wii.

You can blame Micro$oft for that one - their "not-quite-USB" controllers utilize a so-called "security" signing system that prevents so-called "unauthorized" peripherals from working, and M$ are being assholes about letting any but a few companies that have paid a butt-ton for near-monopoly access to the platform make anything.

For another example: M$ completely refuses to allow X-Arcade sticks [xgaming.com] to work, despite numerous attempts by the makers to PAY for the privilege of making an adapter.

And that pisses me off. I'd LOVE to play certain Live Arcade titles with a real arcade stick, for crying out loud.

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (1)

bendodge (998616) | more than 6 years ago | (#24663615)

Please explain why some folks around here can't reverse-engineer this and release some keys? I mean, being USB-based removes a whole ton of time-consuming factors. It ought to be simple. But then, I'm not a cryptography expert, and I could be overlooking something obvious.

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 6 years ago | (#24663821)

For a home-brew setup, it's possible.

For a company that did that? SUICIDE. Micro$oft would blow them out of the water with lawsuits - and no, it doesn't matter whether they were "legal" to reverse engineer it (which is doubtful given the Digital Milloonium Crap Act and the fact that M$ lies about it being a "security" feature), it matters that M$ would tie up their business in the courts and bankrupt them in legal fees and lawyer costs.

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (2, Insightful)

ckthorp (1255134) | more than 6 years ago | (#24664151)

Actually, Lexmark lost the case that has allowed toner cartridge manufacturers to produce aftermarket ID chips for toner refills. The same reverse engineering for compatibility precedent likely holds in this case too, though it will be expensive to convince M$ of that fact...

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 6 years ago | (#24664257)

The problem is that in order to do this, you have to get through M$'s shyster squad.

Unless it were Sony somehow deciding to bankroll this type of challenge, there's no way. Nobody has the money to deal with all the tons of legal filings and paperwork M$ would throw at them. And the remaining companies (the ones who couldn't afford to pay the butt-ton of money to M$ to get in on the ground floor of the xbox$360) don't have that kind of cash.

Remember, X-Arcade are kind of a "little engine that could" company - those who know them, LOVE them, but they do have to be frugal on how they operate.

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (1)

ckthorp (1255134) | more than 6 years ago | (#24664701)

So the solution is to open source the X-Arcade button-to-USB microcontroller firmware. Then some enterprising folks could just make an unofficial firmware patch to their USB controller to make it go for anyone who felt like it.

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (2, Insightful)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666373)

Why would Sony bankroll this? They themselves use standard USB controllers on the PS3 and probably dont give a shit about a few pissed off XBOX users, who may just go out and buy a PS3 instead

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24671953)

isn't it more like, those who know anything about anything when it comes to arcade sticks, HATE them?

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (1)

Kalriath (849904) | more than 6 years ago | (#24665063)

Really? Then do explain why HDFury still exists - it's the same basic precedent (removing the protections on an electronic device to electronic device communication) but noone's suing them...

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24664097)

For reasons completely unknown to me, the USB guitars from RB for the XBox don't even work with the USB hub that comes with RB on the Wii.

You can blame Micro$oft for that one - their "not-quite-USB" controllers utilize a so-called "security" signing system that prevents so-called "unauthorized" peripherals from working, and M$ are being assholes about letting any but a few companies that have paid a butt-ton for near-monopoly access to the platform make anything.

For another example: M$ completely refuses to allow X-Arcade sticks [xgaming.com] to work, despite numerous attempts by the makers to PAY for the privilege of making an adapter.

And that pisses me off. I'd LOVE to play certain Live Arcade titles with a real arcade stick, for crying out loud.

Obviously it doesn't piss you off that much. After all you're still happy to give M$ a chunk of money for the XBox and the games that you buy to play on it.

If you don't like the way a company treats its customers (or it's employees or shareholders for that matter) then don't support them by giving them money. Otherwise STFU!

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (2, Informative)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666539)

I recently sold my X360 due to all the noise it makes, however there's several other reasons I'm glad I've stuck with my PS3. (although I'm sure I'll be labelled the PS3 fanboy, surprise surprise)

Free wifi built in
Non proprietary hard disk, substantially cheaper to change over.
Free online service (slowly improving too)
No stupid timed demo releases (Xbox Live Gold vs Silver)
The standard 'official' MS headset had worse sound quality than a 4'rd party cheapo bluetooth headset on my PS3 (I was surprised too)
The PS3 virtually silent, the 360 is noisy WITHOUT a disc spinning due to noisy fans, let alone once a disc spins.
I can use a HDMI video cable and optical audio cable without needing to butcher cables or purchase some dopey dongle.
(See: http://www.chadledford.com/?p=50 [chadledford.com] and http://www.google.com.au/search?q=xbox%20360%20switches%20off%20changing%20inputs%20hdmi&hl=en&meta= [google.com.au] (second hit)
RROD's!

The list could go on for ages, depending on how biased I am.
PS3 is far from flawless (bluetooth only remote? jesus!) but ultimately, I think the days of giving the PS3 shit are long since over, I am seeing fewer and fewer vehement Microsoft defenders bashing the PS3 nowadays and the 360 sales are starting to wane. I have a feeling these 2 will actually end up even in the end, unlike how it is now.

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (2, Interesting)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666789)

I have some more plus points about the PS3 in a post I wrote above (linux, standards, etc).

I disagree with the PS3's bluetooth remote being a flaw. I understand that it makes it harder to integrate with a universal remote. But i very much believe that universal remotes have buttons for the PS buttons.

but it has its advantages, like no need for line of sight, which i think outweigh any disadvantages.

I am not surprised that the PS3 bashing have reduced. When it came out, it was a fantastically engineered deviced, that had lousy firmware, few games, late, and overpriced. The bashing it received was well deserved, especially in light of the engineering effort on the hardware.

Recent Price drops, new much improved firmware (that added loads of extra features for free), better games, and the Success of Blu Ray over HDDVD (and the fact the PS3 is still one of the best BD Players).

It is a solid system, which still has a lot of potential and lifetime.

MS are on the other hand already muttering about a Xbox 720 :)

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666849)

MS are on the other hand already muttering about a Xbox 720 :)

I am not entirely sure you're right about this, Microsoft totally soiled their name with the Xbox 1 when they dropped it like a sack of dead babies (admitedly, I do know why they did it and financially, they had to) however consumers are tired of buying overpriced consoles to get overpriced games.

The 10 year lifecycle rumours for the PS3 also partially extend to the 360 as far as I know, I've got no doubt they are researching new machines already but I think you'll find we won't see them on shelves for at least 3+ years (making the 360 close to 6 years old, unlike the 4 years of the Xbox 1)
With economic slowdown kicking in, I'm thinking that hopefully we get some value for money out of these things.

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#24680479)

I think this whole 10 year lifetime stuff is just empty promises anyway, they all promise it until they release their next console, then only the biggest sellers survive. Sony had the biggest seller two times in a row and of course kept those around for longer but I doubt they'd do the same for the PS3 unless it magically gets the biggest sales numbers. Of course if any of them scrambles to get to the next generation the big question would be what to add. Sure, Nintendo could catch up on the system power for cheap but they have the least incentive to end the generation. The other two could try getting a few small improvements on the graphics (will the consumers even be able to tell?) or they could try to rip off the Wii, whether they'd realize the Wii didn't sell because of its controllers or anything but because of the software and marketing (sure, a hardcore gamer doesn't care about Wii Sports and such but the vast majority of the market does).

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (1)

Moryath (553296) | more than 6 years ago | (#24668157)

Owning both, I'm really disappointed with the PS3 - mostly because the game library STILL sucks (well, that and the buy-online game selection has its issues).

I have my issues with the 360 as well, but I deal with it. A solid library of games, PLUS all my XBLA titles (including the fantastic original Prince of Persia release with the updated graphics), PLUS my Rock Band that works with the GH controllers... sorry, but Sony's PS3 sits there a fantastically overpriced upscaling DVD player and very little else.

I really do wish it weren't the case... but Sony dropped the ball with the PS3.

Now, if Sony would open up the Linux support so that they had 100% access to the video board and I could load on something like XBMC... then they might have something to get me to use it more. Till then, I have my recording box and XBMC on my old Xbox for viewing frontend (at least until the Win port of XBMC is finished and stable), and I have my 360/Wii for games, and my PS3 just sits there till I want to watch a DVD.

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 6 years ago | (#24671647)

Owning both, I'm really disappointed with the PS3 - mostly because the game library STILL sucks (well, that and the buy-online game selection has its issues).

Owning both, I'm really disapointed with the 360.
Mostly because the good games on the system are either, also on PC or also on PS3, there's few 360 ONLY exclusives, infact the PS3 has many good games which have come to neither system.
Furthermore it's been out for less time.
Oh and the ones I do pick up, I don't need to pay a fee to play them online!
(Well, I no longer own both, I sold one of them because it was so frustratingly loud, I found myself genuinely not using the system due to the noise, no I'm not joking)

I have my issues with the 360 as well, but I deal with it. A solid library of games, PLUS all my XBLA titles (including the fantastic original Prince of Persia release with the updated graphics),

PSN has it's fair share of good games, PJ:E, PJ:M as well as others available to both systems.
Also, yes it is a brilliant DVD upscaler and it allows the user to play back blu-rays as a bonus.
Did I mention I can play back HDMI video and optical audio, without a bullshit 50$ 'dongle' or having to physically hack my cable?

I really do wish it weren't the case... but Sony dropped the ball with the PS3.

The original expectations of the system, coupled with the stupid, terrible, ridiculous marketing and overconfidence from Sony caused the system to be an absoloute shambles, I purchased mine purely for the potential in the future of God of War 3 and the fact that it was going cheap when I got it.
I fully expected to use my 360 substantially more (both purchased a week apart, Dec 07) - fast forward 9 months and the 360 has been sold due to appalling noise issues, lack of games I want to play (Don't like Halo and Gears is incredibly over-rated) - my PS3 however is being used frequently.

Now, if Sony would open up the Linux support so that they had 100% access to the video board and I could load on something like XBMC... then they might have something to get me to use it more

I won't argue that for a millisecond, that's one of the reasons I purchased it :( the morons patched out the exploit a few weeks later, stupid stupid move.
XBMC for PS3 would have been incredible, absoloutely incredible.

3 my XBMC box, btw it looks like the newer mac mini's might end up being the next cheap, easy XBMC unit, it has almost everything you could need (optical out, usb 2.0, hdd, wifi, gigabit ethernet, a processor capable of 1080p output and even infra red ports for a remote, so I hear)
I just want a simple, easy, XBMC HD replacement - virtually identical to my Xbox 1 but with high def abilities.

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 6 years ago | (#24685205)

"PS3 is far from flawless (bluetooth only remote? jesus!) "

Wrong. When plugged in the controller goes into USB mode. Also, most any other controller works just fine with the PS3, including my first-gen USB wireless keyboard/mouse combo (One of Compaqs first models) and my Thrustmaster Firestorm joystick.

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 6 years ago | (#24685287)

This was more from a universal remote perspective, 99% of universal remotes don't speak to bluetooth devices.

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (2, Insightful)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666335)

Considering both the PS3, and the Wii use standard Bluetooth, why the HELL are they even using USB wireless dongles in the first place?

Re:Glad someone is doing this ... (1)

HannethCom (585323) | more than 6 years ago | (#24669885)

To reduce the type of hardware they produce. The Rock Band guitar works on both the PS2 and PS3. With the number of PS2 systems still selling, it's more economical.

and yet... (4, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 6 years ago | (#24662759)

And yet none of them will be compatible with my Samba Di Amigo maracas.... *sniff*

Re:and yet... (1)

AkaKaryuu (1062882) | more than 5 years ago | (#24691851)

Tell me that doesn't need to be added in "Rock Band 3: Arriba".

I refuse... (1)

xpuppykickerx (1290760) | more than 6 years ago | (#24662799)

to own more plastic, game based instruments than i own real guitars, basses and amps. Granted, these games are fun...but it's getting a little out of control. I hope Nintendo and MicroSoft follow in the footsteps of Sony.

Re:I refuse... (1)

Radres (776901) | more than 6 years ago | (#24663827)

Microsoft already ensures that the controllers are compatible across games.

Re:I refuse... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24664459)

I suppose it's too much to ask for compatibility between consoles. And I'd really rather not having to buy a separate wii-remote for each guitar (or constantly insert and remove a non-dedicated remote). Did Nintendo make the wii-remote's protocol impossible to reverse engineer or something?

You mean Microsoft has... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24662837)

Well, OK, so maybe Microsoft hasn't announced anything to that effect and Sony has.

But looking at the compatibility tables, it would appear Sony's failed to actually deliver on any sort of cross-game compatibility. Rock Band 2 won't support any Guitar Hero controllers on the PS3. It will support all of them on the Xbox 360.

Hell, the PS3 has the worst compatibility table of all of them! Even the Wii versions are more compatible with each other than the PS3.

Good work there Sony. You've announced that, despite your best efforts, you're DEAD LAST when it comes to rhythm game controller compatibility.

Re:You mean Microsoft has... (1)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666527)

You are a troll. There is nothing in the PS3 itself that prevents compatibility between games. GH3's guitar simply maps onto the PS3's SixAxis controllers functions. it is the connections, its the game that needs to deal with it, which is the point of the article.

As for previous versions of the guitars not being supported on the PS3, well that is to do with the fact that previous version were for the PS2, with its proprietary connections. The PS3 just uses standard USB and Bluetooth.

Re:You mean Microsoft has... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24666755)

I never said there was anything in the PS3 preventing the controllers from being compatible.

I just said that they weren't compatible, which is true. And that the PS3 had the worst cross-game compatibility according to the linked article, which is also true.

Which, by the way, didn't include versions not for the console.

The PS3 has the worst cross-game compatibility of all three consoles. Microsoft has the best. That's a fact. Not a troll.

Re:You mean Microsoft has... (1)

fullmetal55 (698310) | more than 6 years ago | (#24667513)

It also show's that you don't know what you're talking about... yes the matrix currently shows incompatibilites exist... however if you've followed it at all you'll have known that Harmonix has known how to fix the issue, but was prevented from doing so by ACTIVISION... not any technical limitations. also if you read the playstation blog entry about this, you'll have read that they are currently working on resolving those very issues. however as of Today, yes it is the worst. within the next few days I expect to see a bunch of changes to that matrix again.

I own a real guitar (-1, Troll)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#24662925)

it's more fun than playing simon while staring at tv screen until your eyes hurt. Bonus : it makes girls wet.

and I have a real harp. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24663039)

Though I don't own it. I just rent it.

Re:I own a real guitar (oblig wankery) (1)

cblack (4342) | more than 6 years ago | (#24663055)

Yes yes, we should in no way think we are as cool as you are while playing these very fun games.

Standard argument: Not just anyone can pick up a real instrument and groove along with a song, these games open that experience up to more people, they have fun, etc. With RB/GH you can get people who aren't gamers or musicians having fun with music fairly quickly.

Bonus: we don't have to talk to you.

Re:I own a real guitar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24663119)

Are we forever going to be inundated with idiots who need to point out in EVERY GH/RB article that 'playing real guitar is more fun/gets girls/is the path to enlightenment'? Bullshit, its hard work to learn to play a real guitar, GH is pick up and pseudo-play. Go pluck yourself.

Re:I own a real guitar (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#24663281)

What a coincidence, so do I! It's not more fun than playing GH or Rock Band, though. It's equally fun. Some would probably say it's less fun, even (and they're entitled to their opinions).

You, and all the rest of the elitist guitarists out there, need to pull your heads out of your asses. Playing an instrument doesn't make you cool, nor is the fun level of an activity consistent across all people.

Re:I own a real guitar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24687539)

everything you said is true, except:

Playing an instrument doesn't make you cool

everyone knows this.

Re:I own a real guitar (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24663393)

Then stop playing shooters and buy a real gun. Same principle right?

I also own a guitar. My group of friends, however, are not musically talented and do not own instruments. I learned to play the guitar over years of practice and dedicated time; I'm still not that good in the grand scheme, and I doubt you really are either. Despite that, our little group has been having an awesome time with Rock Band after an hour or two with it, and it has become a staple of our free nights.

Be an elitist blowhard all you want, this is good news.

Re:I own a real guitar (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#24664803)

I wasn't going to mention it, but I own a real gun too.

Re:I own a real guitar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24664729)

At which point they realize you're an asshole and find someone else.

Re:I own a real guitar (1)

flickwipe (954150) | more than 6 years ago | (#24671475)

I gave my love a chicken.

Bonus: It had no bone.

Correct me if I'm wrong... (1)

mweather (1089505) | more than 6 years ago | (#24663167)

Won't that require either a Playstation button on the Wiimote, or a dedicated peripheral that doesn't use the Wiimote for the Wii version?

Re:Correct me if I'm wrong... (2, Informative)

cblack (4342) | more than 6 years ago | (#24663249)

The compatibility they are talking about is just within PS3 games and peripherals. That is, Rock Band 2 instruments working with Guitar Hero: World Tour games and vice versa. It also appears that Rock Band 1 instruments will work with GH: WT as well as RB2.

suddenoutbreakofcommonsense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24663819)

tag it yo

Guitar Hero is a mess (1)

vapspwi (634069) | more than 6 years ago | (#24663997)

Guitar Hero 3 on the PS3 is a disaster. The only official guitar you can use is the wireless one that came with the game, and the USB wireless dongle seems to introduce some random lag and note drops (should've used the built-in Bluetooth). But you can't use the wireless GH3 guitar to play GH1, GH2, or GH80s on the PS3. And you can't use the wired or wireless old GH guitars on the PS3 without a third party adapter that doesn't completely work.

(I just bought what appears to be the best of the third party adapters, and it allows me to use my GH1 guitar on GH3, but it doesn't work with the "special edition" cherry SG wired guitar. And the adapter apparently only allows you to use the old guitars to play GH1, not GH2 or GH80s.)

It's a complete disaster - I can't fathom how Activision got things so completely wrong on the PS3. I was so disgusted by my GH3 on the PS3 experience that I bought an XBox just to play Rock Band on.

JRjr

Re:Guitar Hero is a mess (1)

SenseiLeNoir (699164) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666577)

Regarding the inability to use older GH guitars on the PS3, you cant really blame Sony. It was the right thing for Sony to switch to Bluetooth, and USB in in the PS3.

I also cant believe that Activision screwed up with the stupid dongle on GH3, when the PS3 has built in Bluetooth.

Re:Guitar Hero is a mess (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 6 years ago | (#24668069)

More than likely Activision did not want to spend the $$$ it would have taken to get the Guitar Hero guitar certified by the Bluetooth standards body.

It's sad that this is actually news. (2, Insightful)

Mr_eX9 (800448) | more than 6 years ago | (#24665815)

My understanding is that a console is supposed to be a standard in the first place...Sony, MS, and Nintendo all screwed by allowing the Rock Band/Guitar Hero compatibility problems to exist. MS at least screwed up the least by forcing Activision to use the 360's controller standards, resulting in the GH guitars working with Rock Band and no wireless dongles. The RB guitar doesn't work with GH2 or 3, though...I suspect it's a software issue.

Re:It's sad that this is actually news. (1)

Tacvek (948259) | more than 6 years ago | (#24666511)

Rock band: World tour is supposed to support all controllers on all platforms (except for possibly the Wii).

Similarly, the Wold Tour instruments apparently work on all games on all platforms (except for the Wii). (There might be a physical switch for GH series compatibility.) (And obviously drums do not work on guitar only games.)

It would be nice to see some level of PS3XBOX360 compatibility but that is probably asking too much.

Of course, I've never even played any of these games, so it does not really matter much to me.

Question about controller compatibility (1)

Night Goat (18437) | more than 6 years ago | (#24667065)

I've got a question that I've wondered about for a while. Maybe someone on Slashdot can answer it for me. Is it possible to use an XBox 360's Rock Band guitar controller on a PS3? I know it doesn't work the other way around because of the XBox's nonstandard USB system, but I'm hoping that maybe the Playstation just ignores the added junk. Anyone tried this?

and what of Beatmania (1)

ufpdom (556704) | more than 6 years ago | (#24669075)

Given that yes these are the US versions of Japanese games. What about the Beatmania series of games: Beatmania 1-6 Beatmania 2DX v 3-13? Dance Dance revolution US&JP Drum Mania , bucketloads of them Guitar Freaks 1-LOTS Sony?
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