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FTC Bans Prerecorded Telemarketing Drivel

kdawson posted about 6 years ago | from the but-will-it-stop-321-504-7429 dept.

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coondoggie writes "In the ongoing battle to let us eat dinner in peace without being interrupted by amazingly annoying telemarketer blather, and in this case the even more infuriating recorded telemarketing drivel, the Federal Trade Commission today basically outlawed recorded telemarketing calls. Specifically, the FTC changed its venerable Telemarketing Sales Rule (TSR) to prohibit, as of Sept. 2009, telemarketing calls that deliver prerecorded messages, unless a consumer has agreed to accept such calls from a given caller/seller. Between now and 2009, telemarketers must provide an obvious, easy and quick way for consumers to opt-out of any call, the FTC said. Such an opt-out mechanism needs to be in place by December 1, 2008."

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prerecorded (5, Interesting)

extirpater (132500) | about 6 years ago | (#24669231)

"telemarketing calls that deliver prerecorded messages"

what if they use text to speech software? it's not prerecorded.

am i looking for money lol

Re:prerecorded (3, Funny)

Vectronic (1221470) | about 6 years ago | (#24669399)

Holy Shit Stephen Hawking!, you're selling inflatable underwear? I'll buy a dozen if you autograph them!

Re:prerecorded (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669791)

You deserved to be modded funnier than you were...

Re:prerecorded (1)

rts008 (812749) | about 6 years ago | (#24669731)

1. Congrat's for First Post!
2. Hopefully it won't turn into something like "Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all!!"
3. It's about fscking time!!!
4. It's a shame it has to take 13 months to take effect, as it affects me now.
5. *cue Foghorn Leghorn voice* "It's a joke son, a funny!"
6. It will be interesting how they manage to get around this after the deadline...As they will.
7. I hope my pessimism is quashed, and my hopeful is fulfilled. (not holding my breath)

Useless (4, Insightful)

Joebert (946227) | about 6 years ago | (#24669239)

unless a consumer has agreed to accept such calls from a given caller/seller.

Quit leaving that fucking hole in these things !

Nobody ever willingly agrees to that shit, they're tricked into agreeing every single time.

Nobody wants to fucking hear it, quit making laws that don't do anything other than calm people down for 5 minutes, you fucking assholes !

God damnit, this shit is more irritating than the fucking telemarketers !

Re:Useless (4, Insightful)

Renraku (518261) | about 6 years ago | (#24669255)

Even if the clause weren't in the FTC demand, it would still happen that way. Much like how in order to have ANY KIND OF CONTRACT with a company, as a consumer, you agree never ever to sue or hold them liable. Of course those things never stand up in court, but they sufficiently intimidate people enough.

Re:Useless (3, Informative)

francium de neobie (590783) | about 6 years ago | (#24669781)

You cannot enforce a contract with illegal considerations from either party. e.g. You cannot enforce a contract concerning drug trafficking in court.

Re:Useless (5, Funny)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | about 6 years ago | (#24669285)

Actually, that's not true.

I know lots of people that enjoy telemarking calls. My grandmother was one of them. I think she was lonely or something, but she always wanted to talk to them.. She'd ask how their day was, blah blah blah. She'd invite the freaking mormons and JW's in to talk.

Just because you can't imagine why anyone would want to talk to them doesn't mean everyone must be tricked into it.

Re:Useless (3, Funny)

scubamage (727538) | about 6 years ago | (#24669321)

Agreed, it depends on the day. When I used to skip all the time in highschool it was sometimes enjoyable to take a survey or just talk to someone. Gaming all day was fun, but it was nice to get some human contact - even if it was a marketer.

Re:Useless (4, Informative)

EdIII (1114411) | about 6 years ago | (#24669509)

Well.... not everyone is stoned on the couch eating Cheetos and playing all day. I agree, if you are doing that then getting a call from a telemarketer can be fucking hilarious since they are paid to talk to you in the vain hopes of you remembering where you credit card might be. Under those circumstances I can entirely understand how one might want to get such calls. Kind of like reverse prank calling.

On the other hand, there are plenty of older people who are suffering without medications because some telemarketing company drained their bank account of a couple hundred dollars which they need. There are also plenty of people that when they get home are so busy making dinner, taking care of children, and basically dealing with 9 million more important things than getting a phone call every 5 minutes from somebody wanting to sell you something.

I'm all for it being both ways. Opt-in as well as Opt-out. That way all the grannies and stoner kids can sign up for a Telemarketer TeleBuddy(TM) and the rest of us can go on with our lives in peace.

Re:Useless (2)

aceofspades1217 (1267996) | about 6 years ago | (#24669639)

Agreed, it depends on the day. When I used to skip all the time in highschool it was sometimes enjoyable to take a survey or just talk to someone. Gaming all day was fun, but it was nice to get some human contact - even if it was a marketer.

something tells me that your a sad sad kid :P

Re:Useless (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669561)

Actually, TFA is about recorded marketing calls. So, your grandma wouldnt actually have anyone to talk to.

Re:Useless (3, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | about 6 years ago | (#24669707)

See, now, for some of us this presents no problem.
For example, I get into an argument with Kurt Cobain every time I hear "Come As You Are":

"And I swear that I don't have a gun"

Yes, you do.

"No, I don't have a gun"

Yes, you do.

"No, I don't have a gun"

Yes, you do...

Years of Nirvana and /.ing have decoupled me from the requirement to have an actual person to talk to.

Re:Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669341)

Sir! Please calm down. I believe what you need is a two night stay at one of our luxurious

Re:A good start. (5, Informative)

Technician (215283) | about 6 years ago | (#24669381)

Quit leaving that fucking hole in these things !

Why is this limited to just telemarketers? Debt collectors, campaigners, and non-profits need included.

I kept getting hammered by an automated call only leaving a number to call back.. A Google search turned up the number belonged to a collection agency in Chicago. They were hammering stale cases and my new number from a move just happend to be one of the numbers they had. If you don't speak english and thus unable to follow the instructions to call, there is no way to stop these calls as there is never anyone on the line to talk to.

I called them and told them to put me on their DNC list. They informed me that they were exempt as they were not telemarketers. WTF??? I expect this new thing to be full of loopholes also.

Re:A good start. (-1, Troll)

Joebert (946227) | about 6 years ago | (#24669485)

Debt collectors should be excluded.
If debt collectors are calling you it's because you're a deadbeat who doesn't pay their bills & you deserve to get harrassed.

Campaigners and non-profits fall under the telemarketers category.

Re:A good start. (4, Informative)

Detritus (11846) | about 6 years ago | (#24669541)

Bullshit. I have a perfect credit record and I regularly get calls from debt collection agencies looking for people that I've never heard of. I've had the same phone number for more than 10 years, so it isn't like I have a recently recycled telephone number.

Re:A good start. (1)

icebike (68054) | about 6 years ago | (#24669787)

Well maybe its time you invested in a recycled telephone number.....

Re:A good start. (1)

Joebert (946227) | about 6 years ago | (#24669795)

Fair enough.

If this is true, you would be the first person I've ever met who this happens to. I couldn't tell you how many times I've heard people boast about how they're "smarter than the collection agencies" after getting off the phone with a collector.

For all we know YOU think you're slick with an attempt to throw creditors off of your trail with that response.

Re:A good start. (5, Informative)

EdIII (1114411) | about 6 years ago | (#24669625)

Debt Collectors should be excluded to a point. There are in fact plenty of laws already governing debt collection specifically. The Fair Debt Collection Practices Act can be found here http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre18.shtm [ftc.gov] .

You are absolutely wrong about somebody deserving to be harassed by debt collectors. Nobody EVER deserves to be harassed under any circumstances. That is why there are large awards in civil court cases for collection agencies with too much "zeal".

This gentleman clearly indicated he was not the party they were looking for. Any calls that occur after this are, by definition, harassment. Now this harassment is not necessarily covered under the aforementioned FDCPA, but it does not have to be. This is no different than any other person or company repeatedly calling a random person after being asked to stop.

As you can see from the FDCPA, even IF the debt collection agency is calling the right person there are still rules governing their ability to call them after being asked to stop. You might want to look at:

Causing a telephone to ring or engaging any person in telephone conversation repeatedly or continuously with intent to annoy, abuse, or harass any person at the called number.

Except as provided in section 804, the placement of telephone calls without meaningful disclosure of the caller's identity

Furthermore, at any time a person may send a letter to the collection agency asking that all telephone communications cease. Afterwards, the collection agency may only send letters to the person updating them on any actions being taken towards the debt.

CEASING COMMUNICATION. If a consumer notifies a debt collector in writing that the consumer refuses to pay a debt or that the consumer wishes the debt collector to cease further communication with the consumer, the debt collector shall not communicate further with the consumer with respect to such debt, except-- (1) to advise the consumer that the debt collector's further efforts are being terminated; (2) to notify the consumer that the debt collector or creditor may invoke specified remedies which are ordinarily invoked by such debt collector or creditor; or (3) where applicable, to notify the consumer that the debt collector or creditor intends to invoke a specified remedy.

Re:A good start. (5, Informative)

EdIII (1114411) | about 6 years ago | (#24669669)

I have had the same thing happen to me many times and to friends and family as well. Here is the 411 for you:

1) They ARE exempt from all telemarketing laws. Everyone likes to bring that up on the phone, but they are actually right.

2) So what the fuck now? They are still not exempt from basic laws governing harassment. You could deal with your phone company or talk to a supervisor of the debt collection agency and threaten a lawsuit if they keep calling you, or you could just go to....

3) Deal with them under the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. They MUST inform of you their mailing address and the appropriate department. Send them a typed letter explaining that you are not the person they keep asking for, you have no knowledge of this person any debts this person has. Demand that all communications to that number cease immediately or you will seek remedies under the FDCPA.

Believe it or not, this works every time under the FDCPA. The reason why is that 99.9% of the people complain on the phone where the debt collection agency is not liable. Hardly anyone ever writes a letter.

Write the letter, it will stop. If it does not.. you have a $5,000 dollar insta-claim in a small claims court of your choice.

Re:A good start. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669751)

If you don't speak english and thus unable to follow the instructions to call,

With all due respect, if you ("you" in general, not the parent poster) can't speak English then what the fuck are you doing living in an English speaking country? I live in New Zealand and we get these stories all the time how there are special translation services being offered and suggested for those who are "English impaired". WTF? How are these people even allowed to immigrate here?

If I go live in China, I'm sure as hell they'd expect me to speak Chinese. Stupid socialist governments.

Re:Useless (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669477)

When I pre-order a video game, I get a pre-recorded call the day before it comes out to remind me to pick it up. Should this be illegal?

Re:Useless (poor lawmaking enables telespam) (1)

Gary W. Longsine (124661) | about 6 years ago | (#24669489)

I hear that. I turned on a new land line to get DSL less than two weeks ago. I do not even *know* the number. The next day I started getting telespam, mostly recordings. I get a couple every day. The worst part is that all but one of them had no idea who they were calling. They were clearly dialing random numbers or sequential numbers.

Already happening in OZ (1)

Eth1csGrad1ent (1175557) | about 6 years ago | (#24669725)

Here in Australia, we already have a DO NOT CALL register which *basically* prevents telemarketers from calling you once you've signed up. I say *basically* because there are exemptions. - Any company you do business with is exempt - even for cold calling. So I have my power company trying to get me to switch my gas, and my gas company trying to get me to switch my power. My home phone company hassling me about my mobile and Internet connections, my ISP trying to move me onto their VOIP connections, and my mobile (cell) provider wanting me to change plans. - Any charitable or not-for-profit organisation. Which pretty much means open slather for tea-time hassles for donations on everything from kidney disease to abandoned kittens. - Any government organisation Which, again, means cold-called surveys, opinion polls, election promo calls etc. So much for DO NOT CALL! Worse, those who are exempt now use the DO NOT CALL Register as a call list. (After all, 75% of the competition has been removed) Unfortunately, its like email... how do you effectively manage the signal-to-noise ratio? I agree with your sentiments entirely.

Opt Out? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669247)

It's called hanging up.

Re:Opt Out? (1)

bobbocanfly (1061244) | about 6 years ago | (#24669575)

YES! The first thing I thought of when it said "easy way to opt-out" was hanging up. Only the the (UK|US) government (yes I know this is about America, but I could see this spreading across the Atlantic very quickly) could come up with another of these silly little laws that fix a "problem" that can be solved a little of bit common sense.

Re:Opt Out? (1)

Loki_1929 (550940) | about 6 years ago | (#24669617)

Sounds great in theory.

Now what do you do when the automated calling software sucks and if you don't wait x amount of time before hanging up, it calls back 2 or 3 times?

I get those calls all the time.
At work.

Re:Opt Out? (1)

crywolf (445243) | about 6 years ago | (#24669713)

I have taken to answering calls with an unknown number and just listening, not saying anything. The dialers usually require some speech on your part before trying to connect you with an agent, so eventually it just gives up. It makes me happy, though, to tie up one of their lines for about 30 seconds.

Of course, this is a less effective strategy with pre-recorded calls.

Re:Opt Out? (1)

Loki_1929 (550940) | about 6 years ago | (#24669813)

That 20 seconds is costing them maybe 1 additional phone call, which probably has a purchase through rate of something like 1/500.

If you really wanted to screw them, you'd listen to the whole message and then do whatever's necessary to connect to an agent, and then have them explain each and every aspect of whatever it is they're trying to sell in the greatest possible detail, forcing them to repeat themselves as often as possible in order to tie up real human beings (in addition to the line) for as long as possible.

Ideally, you would repeatedly ask insightful questions which give the appearance of interest in the product or service being sold, but which require the operator to consult with multiple people (such as supervisors) in order to answer.

Of course, with offshore calling centres and VOIP, you could keep them on the phone for an hour and probably cost them about $7. Is it worth your time? Maybe if you had nothing better to do. It could certainly be helpful in hurting these guys financially if you and a hundred thousand other people did it for each and every call for a month or two straight.

Re:Opt Out? (1)

icebike (68054) | about 6 years ago | (#24669611)

"telemarketers must provide an obvious easy and quick way for consumers to opt-out of any call"

And where would the telemarketers make this opt out "of any call" known? In the very call they are providing the opt out?

I have to get up from the table to answer a call telling me I have the option of hanging up?

Thank you FTC!! You guys are a real piece of work!!

Opt out? (1)

NoobixCube (1133473) | about 6 years ago | (#24669251)

Yeah, I bet the opt-out option will be right at the end of the marketing spiel, long after the target of the advertising has hung up.

Finally! (3, Interesting)

StDoodle (1041630) | about 6 years ago | (#24669253)

It's all well and good to know that you're supposed to tell someone to remove you from their call list when you actually have a human on the other end, but the endless calls to my work number (it's on the DNC list, but is too new to have propagated) by machines wishing to inform me of my vehicle's possible "out-of-warranty status" need to end.

Those are AWFUL (1)

XanC (644172) | about 6 years ago | (#24669267)

I usually let calls from unknown numbers leave a message, and that doesn't give me much chance to push that 9 button. I'll hear from them over and over.

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669569)

..by machines wishing to inform me of my vehicle's possible "out-of-warranty status" need to end.

Interesting that you bring that up. Today I got a call on my work cell phone from a number I didn't recognize, and it ended up being one of those BS recordings saying my vehicle warranty needed to be renewed and that would be my last warning. I know my vehicle wasn't under warranty in the first place so I knew it was BS immediately when the recording started playing. If it helps others at all, the number is 973-366-6557. It would be nice to get myself removed from their lists but I figure they will just keep calling if they know there's someone on the other side.

Exemptions? (3, Insightful)

XanC (644172) | about 6 years ago | (#24669259)

Usually when government bans things like this, it exempts itself from the ban. For example, does this at all affect prerecorded political calls?

Re:Exemptions? (5, Informative)

rebewt (588158) | about 6 years ago | (#24669289)

Had you have read TFA you would know that it doesn't ban political robocalls.

Re:Exemptions? (2, Insightful)

CYwo1f (166549) | about 6 years ago | (#24669295)

It likely does. It takes effect right AFTER the election after all.

Re:Exemptions? (1)

evilviper (135110) | about 6 years ago | (#24669453)

Usually when government bans things like this, it exempts itself from the ban. For example, does this at all affect prerecorded political calls?

Speech is a very dangerous to start banning... So they only ever ban "commercial" speech, and leave non-profits and political discourse alone.

A law restricting political calls is almost guaranteed to be thrown out by the Supreme Court on the first challenge. And don't count on a constitutional amendment being passed to address everyone's minor annoyances...

Re:Exemptions? (1)

i.of.the.storm (907783) | about 6 years ago | (#24669631)

I agree completely. Political speech needs to always be protected; it's a fundamental aspect of democracy. Some people even believe that the first amendment was referring specifically to political speech.

On a somewhat unrelated note, the FTC making regulations like this isn't exactly law, because the FTC is an executive agency. But it more or less has the force of law.

Re:Exemptions? (2, Interesting)

Firehed (942385) | about 6 years ago | (#24669763)

Indeed it is. But free speech - political or otherwise - can still be harassment, which remains illegal. I'm hardly an expert on tort law (hell, I don't know if harassment is even falls into the category), but I see no reason you couldn't sue if not press criminal charges if it's serious enough.

Re:Exemptions? (5, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | about 6 years ago | (#24669637)

A law restricting political calls is almost guaranteed to be thrown out by the Supreme Court on the first challenge.

The right to speech does not imply the obligation to listen. As long as I still pay the phone bill, its my phone, and nothing in the constitution says I must share it.

Re:Exemptions? (3, Insightful)

EdIII (1114411) | about 6 years ago | (#24669783)

EXACTLY!!

They are not banning commercial, political, or unpopular speech in any way whatsoever. What they are acknowledging is that we all have a right to restrict who can invade our privacy, or interrupt our peaceful enjoyment of our property. There is a big difference between stopped in the middle of the street by someone asking you what you believe in or if you want a widget and a salesman sticking his foot in your door.

The telemarketing laws, and any resultant laws restricting political, charitable, or even religious telephone calls, would amount to nothing more than a "NO SOLICITORS" sign on your telephone instead of your front door.

This is incredibly important since there are so many ways a person can be communicated to these days. Instant messaging, SMS, MMS, VOIP, Email, etc. If we don't allow somebody the ability to restrict unsolicited communications on these channels, then they will become useless with an astronomically low signal to noise ratio. Before the telemarketing laws got enacted corporations were getting busy signals trying to contact people!

The basic principles and goals behind telemarketing and SPAM are the same. What is needed are new laws which encompass ALL of these channels at the same time and define what is unsolicited.

Political and Charitable marketing communications are by their very nature unsolicited.

One MAJOR item missing from do not call lists (3, Interesting)

religious freak (1005821) | about 6 years ago | (#24669261)

There's one thing that is conspicuously missing from do not call lists, and that is the ability to opt out of ANY kind of call you receive.

Currently, you're not able to opt out of receiving political or charitable calls. There are companies out there masquerading as charities and calling folks. I'm on their list and have been told several times that I cannot and will not be removed from their lists, because they don't have to.

Once the FTC fixes this, then I'll be impressed.

Lack of fundingn (3, Funny)

mrboyd (1211932) | about 6 years ago | (#24669349)

The politician who will vote to let you opt out of political telemarketing call will never be elected due to lack of funding.. aaaah paradox.. :)

Re:One MAJOR item missing from do not call lists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669475)

this is why god invented murder. just start culling these people from society.

Re:One MAJOR item missing from do not call lists (1)

laejoh (648921) | about 6 years ago | (#24669513)

and that is the ability to opt out of ANY kind of call you receive.

Come on, this is slashdot!, just disable the speaker on your phone! Can't you turn it's volume all down?

Re:One MAJOR item missing from do not call lists (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669601)

Bullshit - once you tell them not to call you, they can't call you - regardless of whether it's a so-called Charitable or Political call.

Find out who they are - go to the Police, tell them you're being harassed by wire. Swear out a complaint. Call the politicians - get them on the phone, tell them flat out that you absolutely positively WILL NOT vote for anyone who robocalls people who are on the Do Not Call list. Go to their fundraising events, and ask them face-to-face why they refuse to honor the Do Not Call list - make them squirm in front of as many people as you possibly can by asking that question publicly and loudly. Don't let them get away until they answer it - ask if you can have their home phone number to call THEM to discuss the campaign...

File complaints with the FTC (donotcall.gov) and the FCC's online system. Regardless of whether these people are allegedly exempted now, the more complaints the FCC and FTC get, the more apt they are to refine the law to revoke the alleged exemptions.

And I say 'alleged exemptions' because the SCOTUS has ruled in many cases that you do not have to listen to any message put forth by anyone. You can't be forced to read something, receive something, or listen to it because to do so would be tantamount to legalizing a form of trespass. If you post a sign saying "No trespassing, no soliciting, post no bills", etc. then that's it - they have to honor it. That's the way it is in meatspace - and I've used it against all manner of junk mailers. There's absolutely no reason why it shouldn't apply to the telephone as well - once I put my number on a list - which I do so of my own volition - then damn it, I've posted the NO TRESPASSING sign and you violate it at your own peril.

Re:One MAJOR item missing from do not call lists (1)

donbriggs (936171) | about 6 years ago | (#24669645)

Yes, I can read the above. And Yes, I AM a geek.

Re:One MAJOR item missing from do not call lists (1)

EdIII (1114411) | about 6 years ago | (#24669723)

That will never happen in a million billion years.

Politicians practically NEVER enact laws that restrain their own actions. They are literally above the law, since they write the law.

Basic human nature here. I agree the hypocrisy is so thick you can't see through it. What you are looking for is part of a larger need for campaign finance and election reform BADLY needed in this country to counter the rampant corruption in our legislative bodies. So far there has been some writings and lip service, but never anything meaningful voted in.

I would not be surprised that if in 50 years a politician can beam an interactive hologram into your living room during dinner to talk to you about his positions, but a company doing the same thing would get the death sentence handed out to the executives.

Senator Craig was a great example. The way that man acted towards the officer and the things he said indicated an overwhelming perception that he was above any of the laws that govern the rest of us.

Re:One MAJOR item missing from do not call lists (4, Funny)

CodeBuster (516420) | about 6 years ago | (#24669807)

Fix it yourself with Asterisk [wikipedia.org] . Numbers not on the white list are dumped into recorded phone tree maze with endless loops of meaningless choices and no way out except to hang up. It would be even better with a plugin that could try and string them on for a while without actually divulging any meaningful information by responding at pauses with phrases like "that sounds interesting", "uh-huh", and "I'm not sure" the goal being to waste as much of the telemarketer's time as possible on a dead end call (i.e. no sale) before they hang up in frustration.

Re:One MAJOR item missing from do not call lists (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669821)

There's one thing that is conspicuously missing from do not call lists, and that is the ability to opt out of ANY kind of call you receive.

Sarcastically, the answer then is to not have a phone. If you mean you still want calls from people you give your number to, using a cellphone as your main phone works fairly well.

United States only (2, Informative)

whtmarker (1060730) | about 6 years ago | (#24669269)

This only applies to telemarketers calling from within the united states. A lot of the iterative calling I get is from international skypers.

There are some calls that are exempt, like during a state of emergency the fire department will issue an evacuation order via automated phonecall.

Re:United States only (1)

spyder-implee (864295) | about 6 years ago | (#24669357)

I would really like the ability to block calls from certain countries, since there is no reason I would ever want to accept a call from India for example. Sure it could be problem if you needed tech support to call you back from these places, but that's probably not an issue for most of us. Is this type of thing possible with a VOIP system? Would it be a simple matter of blocking IP's from those countries?

Opt-Out? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669305)

The problem here is that it's an Opt-Out.

Re:Opt-Out? (2, Interesting)

Vectronic (1221470) | about 6 years ago | (#24669459)

Indeed, however obviously doing the reverse, and having it opt-in, would exclude telemarketing almost entirely, (which would be a good thing, but not from their point of view, and their associates) and probably lead to things like bundling telemarketing plans with your phone bill, and if you opt-out there, your rates go up... so opt-out is probably a better option, although bundling may happen anyways as most people are becoming used to it now arbitrarily, hey why not tack it on as manditory?

[ ] I would like to install Google Toolbar with my new long distance plan. (-5$ From monthly bill)
[ ] I do not wish to participate in the telemarketing option. (+15$ to your montly bill)

Hey! Does somebody want to win an election? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669311)

Would you like to get elected?

Propose an 'opt in' law. Now. Do it. It is a no brainer with the population.

You may only call me if I specifically opt in to do it.

BTW - Don't call me about polls or your struggle to get elected. I don't want to hear it on the phone.

Suckage (1)

twatter (867120) | about 6 years ago | (#24669315)

The last time I got one of these at home I "pressed 1 to talk to a representative about yor chance to lock in a low rate on your credit card".

I have 5 credit cards, so it's fair to say they would have said which one if they weren't scammers.

I'm not sure if this makes me fair game ("I was asking for it") but hey.

A black woman came on the line. I asked the for the name and phone number of the company. She said the company was 'Financial Solutions' (yay genericity), but would not give me a phone number or address unless I gave her my name. Fuck that, let me talk to your supervisor.

Another black woman came on and told me the same thing. I said I don't have to give you squat, you're the ones who called me. After a few "no/yes" back and forth, she hung up on me.

I reported what little I had to the Do Not Call Registry website, but I'm sure nothing will come of it.

I get another one every few weeks about how "I HAVE WON AN ALL EXPENSES PAID VACATION". Tried the same thing once, an Indian guy called "Jeremy" (right) gave me the same runaround.

I hope to hell that the FTC comes down *hard* on these people. There's nothing more annoying than getting machine spam.

By the way, does anyone know why when I hang up on these the line is not cut? If I turn on my phone again I keep hearing the sales pitch, and I can't use it until it's finished. Holy shit, I'm sure even that is illegal or something. ... anyway rant over. Back to work.

Re:Suckage (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669461)

By the way, does anyone know why when I hang up on these the line is not cut? If I turn on my phone again I keep hearing the sales pitch, and I can't use it until it's finished. Holy shit, I'm sure even that is illegal or something. ... anyway rant over. Back to work.

There's no reason why that should be so unless you're picking up too quickly, your phone is broken, or your phone provider is really doing something fucked up. I'd call the phone provider and ask them.

Re:Suckage (1)

Melkman (82959) | about 6 years ago | (#24669571)

Cool, they are doing video telemarketing calls now? Or did they start their conversation with "I'm a black woman" ?

Re:Suckage (2, Funny)

Mix+Master+Nixon (1018716) | about 6 years ago | (#24669773)

I hope to hell that the FTC comes down *hard* on these people.

Blacks and Indians?

Is anybody willing to enforce the law? (5, Interesting)

unlametheweak (1102159) | about 6 years ago | (#24669345)

Yes we've had laws against pre-recorded robotic marketing in Canada for decades. The problem is that neither the government nor the police are willing to enforce the law. When I get robots calling me up I make a complaint to the phone company and the phone company says they can't do anything about it because it is a police issue. When I phone the police up they tell me that they won't do anything about it because it is the phone company's responsibility to stop the illegal practice.

In the US they do (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | about 6 years ago | (#24669653)

At least in relation to the Do Not Call list. The amount of telemarketing calls I got went WAAAAAY down when I got on it. Also there have been a number of big fines handed down for it. Some of the large companies like AT&T figured this didn't really apply to them, and that the list was a convenient list of working numbers. Ya well the FTC showed them that indeed it DID apply to the tune of a few million dollars and they straightened up.

You never get 100% compliance, of course, but it is pretty good here. When you get a call in violation of the DNC list, you can go on the FTC's site and report it. They don't act on an individual complaint, but they compile them and if a company gets a number of them, the FTC goes after them. Keeps it down to a pretty low level. I would assume they'll enforce the new one just as well.

Part of it helps in that it isn't a police matter. It's not a criminal issue, it is a civil.regulatory issue. So the police aren't involved. That's good, as the police have other things to do. The FTC handles things directly, and they are a regulatory agency. Basically they can impose fines, and if you fail to pay them, go to a federal court and have assets frozen/seized and other such things.

Let me guess... (0, Redundant)

CuteSteveJobs (1343851) | about 6 years ago | (#24669347)

There's an exception for Political Advertising?

Side Effect of Legislation (1)

Nymz (905908) | about 6 years ago | (#24669353)

More and more marketing will be driven to the companies you already do business with, thereby getting around this banning of 'cold calling'. When I verify a new credit card they play marketing pitches, and on some bills I have to detach an advertisement from the mailing envelope. There is simply no way a single person can opt-out of a sales pitch from every company on the planet. The standard must be to opt-in.

Robinson list (1)

MortenLJ (686173) | about 6 years ago | (#24669365)

In Denmark we have what is called a Robinson list. The list is made by a centralized government entity, and anyone can be added to the list without cost. All telemarketing firms have to download the list every three months and they are obliged by law not to call anyone from the list. Since I joined the list 3-4 years ago, I have only had one telemarketing call which apologized dearly when they saw their mistake. However, this might not scale well from a nation of 5 million people to the 300 million of the US ;-)

Re:Robinson list (1)

michaelhood (667393) | about 6 years ago | (#24669441)

We have federal and state DNC (do not call) lists which are almost exactly the same thing. However, if you have an existing relationship with the company they can contact you.

This provision, which seems not well thought out (the cynic in me thinks it WAS in fact, well thought out) has been exploited quite a bit.

But what did Confucius say? (1)

oldhack (1037484) | about 6 years ago | (#24669379)

What he say?

Re:But what did Confucius say? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669409)

Someone set up him the bomb.

Obvious, quick and easy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669389)

Hang. Up. The. Phone.

From my own experience. (1)

incognito84 (903401) | about 6 years ago | (#24669403)

Before I got began my current career I worked for a number of telemarketing centres. Namely, in the evenings when I was a student as they were the only places which paid more than minimum wage.

In any case, I doubt this law is going to make a lot of difference. The great bulk of these telemarketing centres are located outside of America's borders in places like Eastern Canada (where I'm from) or as far away as India.

At some centres, we were told to obey the "DNC" or Do Not Call list. At others, we were instructed by our superiors to give it no credence whatsoever. Legally, we were not allowed to call after 9:00pm at night yet it did happen off the record at every outbound call centre I've ever worked at (five).

If call centres disobey all the previous rules and obligations, what makes you think they're going to adhere to this one? Especially call centres in India where these laws have little jurisdiction?

Lastly, as much as these people irritate you, try your best not to lose your temper with them. Most of them are probably students like I was with terrible managers (the cream of the crap) and strict floor regulations that leave them tethered to their computer, sitting upright, unable to drink coffee or indulge in anything, taking calls for their entire eight hour shift with no breaks, having to sit idley while the death threats poured through the lines, having a one-minute-per-day bathroom break policy and doing it all for a paycheque a meaningless few dollars higher than a McD's salaryman.

Re:From my own experience. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669443)

Hey fuck you.

You want to earn the easy money sitting on your ass... You get to listen to me rant at you for calling me about STUPID SHIT that i don't want or care about.

I dont give a damm if they are students. If they are working there i fucking hate them and hope they die a horrible violent death.

Re:From my own experience. (5, Insightful)

michaelhood (667393) | about 6 years ago | (#24669471)

Perhaps I'm just insensitive but when people make a voluntary decision to work somewhere that is propagating that sort of low-grade evil, I feel they take the good (higher pay) with the bad (people who you broke the law to disturb late at night yelling at you.)

It seems a bit foolish or arrogant to me, to think you deserve anything less than being held responsible for what you're doing.

I don't think the "I was just doing my job, and it was the only place that paid well" thing holds any credence.

Re:From my own experience. (1)

incognito84 (903401) | about 6 years ago | (#24669515)

Yes, but in areas where these call centres operate, there are no other jobs. They set up shop in the most deprived places in whichever country they operate in. If they opened shop in an area with jobs aplenty, they wouldn't be able to find any employees. In my home city their reputation is horrible yet they are the largest employers, nearly doubling that of the second largest. I worked next to people with Master's Degrees and PhDs unable to find anything better unless they resettled.

Re:From my own experience. (1)

michaelhood (667393) | about 6 years ago | (#24669711)

I grew up in such an area, I'm familiar with the plight. I also worked in such places for long enough to move somewhere else, the difference is I didn't expect people to put up with what I did just because I couldn't find a better job.

I understand some people have families and such "keeping" them places, and that's a personal decision I respect. What I can't respect is people asking for a free pass on judgement because they made that choice.

I think largely what fuels this for me is the attitudes of people at the aforementioned call centers. Occasionally I come across someone at one of these companies who is apologetic, or even just in a good mood, and I try my absolute best to be as cordial as possible with these folks. Whether it's outbound spam/telemarketing, or customer service for the electric company.. 90% of these employees seem to be some of the most unhappy, rude, life-hating people on the planet. Don't take out your life decisions on me.

But like I said, perhaps I'm just insensitive. :)

Re:From my own experience. (5, Insightful)

Guido del Confuso (80037) | about 6 years ago | (#24669735)

That's just crap. Move if it's so bad where you live.

You sound just like people who justify joining gangs and committing crimes instead of finding honest work because there are just no other opportunities for them--the system is corrupt/racist/biased against them, so the only thing they can do is steal from honest people who have actually made something of themselves. There are always other options, but you were just too lazy or complacent to take them. You chose a scummy job, you have to live with that fact. Asking for sympathy because you didn't have enough self respect to better yourself and find a job that didn't involve making yourself part of the one of the most universally loathed classes on Earth is almost as contemptible as taking the job in the first place.

Any abuse a telemarketer gets is deserved in spades.

Re:From my own experience. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669825)

What's really stupid is they then have the gall to complain that their "customers" aren't very nice to them.

(Except, of course, they mistakenly believe the people they call are their customers. Wrong. Their customers are the people paying for them to make the calls.)

Re:From my own experience. (5, Insightful)

Skippy_kangaroo (850507) | about 6 years ago | (#24669491)

Lastly, as much as these people irritate you, try your best not to lose your temper with them. Most of them are probably students like I was with terrible managers (the cream of the crap) and strict floor regulations that leave them tethered to their computer, sitting upright, unable to drink coffee or indulge in anything, taking calls for their entire eight hour shift with no breaks, having to sit idley while the death threats poured through the lines, having a one-minute-per-day bathroom break policy and doing it all for a paycheque a meaningless few dollars higher than a McD's salaryman.

If I can, by my actions, make it harder for the bottom-feeding telemarketing companies to operate I will do so. This includes making it so that even starving students are unwilling to work for these companies. By taking a job with these bottom-feeders you are part of the problem. Don't want the aggro? Don't take the job.

Re:From my own experience. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669525)

try your best not to lose your temper with them. Most of them are probably students like I was with terrible managers [...] floor regulations that leave them tethered to their computer [...] taking calls for their entire eight hour shift with no breaks [...] having a one-minute-per-day bathroom break policy and doing it all for a paycheque a meaningless few dollars higher than a McD's salaryman.

Then why did you do it? Was subjecting yourself to this torture of a routine, while also knowing that you're subjecting the people on the other end of the line to something they don't want, really worth a couple extra bucks an hour?

Even as a poor student, money isn't everything. Wouldn't you have felt more refreshed, better able to cope with school and exams and all that, if you were working a lower-pressure job with a more pleasant atmosphere, even if it is serving up burgers at McD's? Or if you really do value the almighty buck so much at the expense of personal dignity, I hear that prostitution pays much better rates. Perhaps it could something to look into.

Re:From my own experience. (1)

incognito84 (903401) | about 6 years ago | (#24669549)

Trust me and refer to one of my above comments regarding this, there are no other jobs. That and students these days are so heavily indebted, as are graduates, that these are sometimes the only viable ways to make amends to one's debt.

Re:From my own experience. (3, Insightful)

Loki_1929 (550940) | about 6 years ago | (#24669743)

"If call centres disobey all the previous rules and obligations, what makes you think they're going to adhere to this one? Especially call centres in India where these laws have little jurisdiction?"

Because the new rule says that if you call after 9pm, a B-2 Spirit will drop napalm on your call centre.

(Boy, wouldn't that be satisfying...)

What I don't understand is... (3, Informative)

John Pfeiffer (454131) | about 6 years ago | (#24669415)

...why aren't the pre-recorded messages about 'your vehicle warranty' and messages from 'cardholder services' illegal to begin with? They're basically fraudulent trolling schemes. They don't come out and say it, but they basically imply that they're something they aren't. Like "OH SNAP! YOUR CAR'S WARRANTY IS ABOUT TO EXPIRE, BLAH BLAH BLAH!" a less intelligent person might think this is actually real and important. Cardholder services? Please. "We're your credit card company, press 1 on your touchtone phone to lower your interest rate!" There's also that snail-mail spam claiming to be from your registrar, saying your domain is about to expire, and you have to pay them $29.95.

I get half a dozen of these calls a day. Not being comfortable with phones, I try to use them as little as possible, so it really pisses me off.

And the opt-out is a joke. I have 'been removed from the list' 17 times this week alone, for the exact same fucking 'cardholder services' recording!

Something else that is a joke is Anonymous Call Rejection, where calls are blocked if they have Caller ID blocked (Not Available) or are 'PRIVATE'. Too bad telemarketers know this, and therefor I'm still constantly getting calls from anonymous 800-numbers that are NAMED 'Private' and 'Not Available'. Assholes. I wonder if I can sue them under the DMCA for circumventing my apparent 'spamfucker security'.

Scum-Sucking Leeches (1)

Detritus (11846) | about 6 years ago | (#24669473)

I'm on the do-not-call list and I still get prerecorded calls from jerks trying to sell me extended warranties or running debt collection scams, looking for people that I've never heard of. The one that called today was using a local international VOIP/PSTN gateway to cover their tracks. They are already violating multiple laws, what's one more? The federal government needs to track down the owners of these companies, take their loot and put them on a chain gang.

Here is a recent example:

Pa.sues son of House member [baltimoresun.com]

A final solution for these people (5, Funny)

donbriggs (936171) | about 6 years ago | (#24669517)

OK, everybody hates them. Nobody likes them. Yet they keep saying "we provide a valuable service that people like, and it is not annoying".

Here is the solution. We don't need to outlaw them. We need the law only two require two things:
1. Telemarketers MUST display a proper number for caller ID
2. Telemarketers may NOT block incoming calls
Then we all install auto-dialer programs on our PC's. We record a long, babbling message stating: "Thank you for your recent call. This message is to inform you that we do not wish to receive any automated calls from you, or any of your business partners, or anybody else, ever again. You may consider this our opt-out message. For your convenience, this message will automatically re-dial you every 30 seconds until you opt out of OUR auto dial promotion. You may signify your intention to opt out of our special, valuable auto-dial list by not calling us again for 6 months. Once you have opted out of our program by not calling us for 6 months, your number will be automatically removed from our calling list. Thank you, and have a nice day."

In other words, we would start clogging THEIR phones, and THEY would get pissed off. And the only way to get off of our autodial list is to stop calling us. You stop pissing us off, we will stop pissing you off.

Comments? Questions?

-Don!

Re:A final solution for these people (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669559)

That's not a solution, that's an arms race.

Re:A final solution for these people (1)

donbriggs (936171) | about 6 years ago | (#24669609)

We are in an arms race now. We are just unarmed. It is very simple, stop pissing us off. If you do, we will reply in kind in such a fashion that you will not make any money, and you will go out of business. We should have a National Telemarketer Registry, just like we have for sex offenders. They should have to put signs in front of their houses. And then we should be able to beat them to death. I was really happy when I heard about the spammer that killed himself. Too bad he got his family too.

Ban SPAM (5, Funny)

amirulbahr (1216502) | about 6 years ago | (#24669533)

Now all they need to do is ban SPAM emails...

Opting out (2, Insightful)

SmlFreshwaterBuffalo (608664) | about 6 years ago | (#24669535)

an obvious, easy and quick way for consumers to opt-out of any call

You mean like, say, hanging up? There's really not much point unless you can opt-out before the call. Maybe they should create some kind of list of people that companies do not call - like the one they have now, but actually have it work this time.

Re:Opting out (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669663)

How about instead of distributing lists of numbers to telemarketers, simply distribute blacklists to people who don't want to be called? It couldn't be that expensive to develop a caller ID enabled device to block calls from the blacklist.

Two words: (1)

Jesrad (716567) | about 6 years ago | (#24669545)

Phone Captcha.

Re:Two words: (1)

Anpheus (908711) | about 6 years ago | (#24669651)

Have you ever had to spell out a model, serial or license number over the phone?

You don't even need to add your own distortions.

easy (1)

matushorvath (972424) | about 6 years ago | (#24669599)

"Obvious, easy and quick way for consumers to opt-out of any call" is to hang up ;).

Re:easy (2, Insightful)

OneSmartFellow (716217) | about 6 years ago | (#24669775)

Except that you have to interrupt your current activity, and answer the phone in order to be able to hang up.

I'm pretty sure that's what most people are complaining about.

Privacy (3, Interesting)

florescent_beige (608235) | about 6 years ago | (#24669603)

Telephone communications are considered private, right? That is, unlike email, a phone conversation can reasonably be expected to be between only me and the party on the other end.

How can one then presume that a private activity such telephone communication should be treated as a broadcast medium? Political free speech is an exemption? Am I to let every politician come into my bedroom for a little pillow talk because of "free speech"?

The phone is a direct line into the heart of my private home. I don't want anyone in my home who I didn't invite.

You might say calling me is no different from coming up and knocking on my door. OK then, come up and knock on my door. Too expensive you say? Calling is more efficient you say? Well I believe the term was "free speech", not "cheap speech".

Oh, and when you do come knocking, don't forget to read the sign that says "No Solicitors". You know, the sign that sets the rules on my private property where I have certain rights also.

Tell you what, here's a good way to do it. Since I can't put a sign on my phone, why not make a rule that says if you want to call me you have to have come to my door and get me to sign a piece of paper that says I agree to take your calls. If that's too much trouble, then I probably didn't want to hear from you anyway.

September 2009?! (1)

MadJo (674225) | about 6 years ago | (#24669673)

Okay, I'm not in the US, so this law won't affect me or anything (I'd still get those pre-recorded marketing calls). But why isn't this going to be in effect in September 2009?
All those companies have to do is stop doing it.
It's not like they have to set up a different system.

I mean, it will take more than a year before this is in effect. Everyone will have forgotten about this, and nothing will be done about it.

Re:September 2009?! (1)

MadJo (674225) | about 6 years ago | (#24669681)

argh, I meant "Why is this going to be in effect in September 2009, why not in 2008?"

Re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24669675)

"an obvious, easy and quick way for consumers to opt-out of any call,"

my phone has such features built in. it's called hanging up.

from the wtf-will-they-?think?-of-next-deepends (0)

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They should broaden the opt out list (2, Funny)

Centurix (249778) | about 6 years ago | (#24669697)

To cover phone calls from the mother in law

Now If They Would Only Extend The Ban To Politics (1)

klausner (92204) | about 6 years ago | (#24669793)

Wouldn't it be even nicer if the rules applied to those endless calls from political candidates an parties this time of year? But, of course, politicians never apply the rules to themselves!

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