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Slashdot's Disagree Mail

samzenpus posted more than 5 years ago | from the keep-your-cool dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 264

In this week's Disagree Mail, I try to show the range of messages I get. It's not all angry or insane, sometimes it's sent to us for no apparent reason. We start off a little mad, slip into a whole bunch of crazy and finish with someone who has a complaint about racism at his favorite restaurant. Read below to get started.The last sentence in this one is what sold me.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, ******** wrote:
"I have been blocked from Slashdot. I have done nothing worthy of being banned and if you would take your head out of your ass long enough you would realize it! I have to put up with this kind of shit at work but I won't put up with it here! so here's what I demand you do: Apologize to me, both here and in a letter. Apologize to my isp, I called at yelled at them yesterday thinking it was their fault. Finally, I want a written promise that you will never do this to me or anyone else again. If you do not meet these demands in 10 business days, I will be forced to take drastic action, including but not limited to: emailing everyone I know to tell them of how you treat innocent users or reading my news else where. Your move asshole!"


I've often wondered to myself, what would you do if someone who stole from the FBI found out you were a human computer? Thanks to this woman I still don't know.

On Fri, 30 Nov, ****** wrote:
"I'm in search for one of your representatives, or National Security. I have been able to read ********** mind. I showed up at *********, in Eugene, Oregon and let him know about the money that he stole from government agencies, including the FBI, which ironically protects him. He thought I was undercover or believed I was a human computer; which he still may believe. He witnesses that his computers talk to me, as if I were one of them. I can tell what program his computers are on and what they are interlocking with most of the time. He gave me a 400 million dollar check that day, as I sat there reading his mind explaining to him what I knew. At that point he had 8-10 billion dollars of government money/funding hidden away. But after the planes went down he stole over a 100 billion. He used Mike's pin# and password to get into National Security. He helped himself into instruments and institutions, and began using them incorrectly and illegally. I am offering National Security or any Representative a lot of my money to help me put this man away. It seems he is being protected by the forces I need. He is station #3 of the HAARP Project and I'm in search for anyone ready to earn a lot of money; for actually representing the United States of America the Right Way. He's been looking into the minds of his people and brainwashing them, so he will not be seen. I can read his mind faster than any instrument, and ironically he seems he has to answer my questions like I was a machine. When I listen, I can hear him telling people he's playing God and to digest this information; or to Change their mind. Another one he uses, line one--, line two--, line three--, Lock and Load, which also seems to convince people that he is innocent. He changes the information nightly so he won't be seen, for he is a computer programmer as you will soon see. I've even tried try to get the HAARP to tune into me, so they could see me which would see him. This is just the beginning of what I know. Eugene, Oregon's FBI seem to be full of idiots or his "Change Your mind Method" is working pretty damn good. Right now I get denied as they listen to him and not me. But COME ON PEOPLE, He wrote me a $400 Million dollar check. (SO, WAKE UP! FBI, because you are obviously, virtually blind),. This Nation seems to be lacking people like me. That can discover people like ********** and his black market industry."


The next is a bit long. I'm not sure why this was sent to us or what he thought we were going to do about it. He might have a legitimate complaint but even with the vast power of the internet I can't make racist people stay away from restaurants. Calling them terrorists is a bit of a stretch too.

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005, ******* wrote:
Hello info@ostg.com, Happy New Year to you. Well, I ended 2004 by being called a "nigger" several times by a white terrorist in ****** on December 30. The reason I'm posting you is to seek your advice as to what rights I have in a violent verbal assault, and hate crime situation like this. What would you do if something this devilish had happened to you?

This is the second time this has happened to me in the same *******. The first time was about five years ago when I overheard a professional person using the "N" word to a white woman friend of his as they sat across from me at the bar.

She was telling him that she had found a new boyfriend and thought that things were going to work out well for her. The fellow looked at her and then said "I hope he's not a "nigger" I was astounded that he had said something so lowlife in a full club with about 20 people sitting at the bar and the rest of the tables nearby full as well.

The bartender had been living with an African American male for over five years at the time. She looked astounded, and turned to me as if she couldn't believe her ears. I turned to the white people on each side of me, and asked them if they were going to say something to the person. They are always saying that they are not prejudiced. so this would have been the perfect time for some of them to back up their words with action.

They did nothing! They just looked at each other in that silly "HUH Head" look that they utilize when they run into an idea that they had never considered before on the subject of race. The manager did come out and ask him to leave. He did so and to my knowledge he has never gone back. I have seen the fellow in other clubs where the clientele is more receptive to his modo di pensare. I did nothing official that time. This time I'm trying to determine what the best way to proceed would be. Here are most of the facts as to what occurred last Thursday, the 30th of December 2004.

I went out to ******** here in Cape Girardeau, Missouri around 2100. I sat on the north end of the bar next to several young white women. One of them was named "*******" from the ****** family here. I talked to them about various subjects for about 30 minutes and bought them some Frangelico. They had never tasted it so I thought I would let them sample something different since they were kind enough to talk to me a 58 year young African American. Most whites won't.

Then they left and a friend of mine from Birmingham Alabama called me on his cell phone. We talked for about fifteen minutes about the state of the world and how savage, and inhumane so many Americans are in their thinking when it comes to how they view others around the world.

Out of the corner of my right eye, I notice the young blond white woman to my right pushing a picture of a cute bi-racial child towards me. I picked it up and looked at it. Then I complimented the female on having a little girl that was so cute. After a few more minutes of talking to my friend, I hung up and started talking to the young blonde white woman, her female friend next to her, and her Canadian boyfriend to her right.

The blonde's name was what it is. She said she was a hair stylist at a salon here. I was telling them about how my cousin owned the Harlem Globetrotter basketball team, and how there had been a couple of streets named after my mothers family around here. I was basically giving them a quick history on some black folks who were highly respected in this area.

After about twenty minutes or so this 40ish white ball cap wearing, truck driver looking white fellow across the bar asked me when we had graduated from high school. I told him when I had graduated, and then N told him when she graduated. The white supremacist then said "One of you is right, and one of you is a fucking nigger"

I picked up my cell phone and called the police as the ********* manager was not on the scene. I had no idea what that piece of white trash would do next. After a few minutes Ed, the manager came over to the WS, and told him that he had to leave the club.

The fellow got up and slowly walked toward the door selling wolf tickets all the way. The policeman arrived and he stood in the vestibule and talked to the manager of *******. He never came over and asked me anything; nor did he advise me of my rights in that situation.

I'm one of the charter members of ******* here. I have been going there since about six months after they opened in 1991, and I've never had a serious incident like this one

So I went back to talking to the three people. Now of course we were talking about the white supremacist and his actions. One white 20ish female caught my eye, grinned and gave me the thumbs up sign. Apparently she was happy that he was gone.

After about 20 minutes, another young white female stopped behind me and told me that the fellow was still in the parking lot in his truck. None of the other white men there, except for the canadian fella I was talking to had anything positive to say to me, and they said nothing to the WS who started the whole incident. Why am I not surprised?

So I called the police department again. I relayed the information to the police and sat back once more. After a few minutes the officer arrived and for the second time, the ******** manager met him in the vestibule, and they talked for a few minutes. Again, the policeman never came over to talk to me at all. Now I really felt something odd was going on because I'm the one doing the calling, but no one wants to talk to me. Is that normal police procedure now across the USA?

Nicole was very quiet while the white guy was calling me a nigger. She got on her cell phone and called her biracial boyfriend and told him to come by. The other couple got Up and left after a half hour or so. Then this attractive light skinned black man about 25 came in and Nicole snuggled up in his arms as he sat down beside her.

She told him what had happened and he began telling us what all behind he would have kicked had it been done to him. He told me he was a criminal and didn't play that sort of mess. The more we discussed it the more they seemed to try to blame me for everything. I asked Nicole why she had become such a chatterbox now that her black boyfriend had arrived. She laughed and said that she felt safe now. They continued spewing out all sort of nonsense about race that mentally confused Bi-racials, and uninformed Caucasians tend to do. So after fifteen minutes of listening to their ignorance, I told them I had to go. I wished them a happy New Year and walked outside to the parking lot.

I saw the truck was still there. So when I left I drove around town in a random manner for about fifteen minutes to see if I was being followed. When I felt that I wasn't I headed on home and called it a night. I decided to stay home for New Years eve as I didn't want to run into any more of these beer drinking, ball cap wearing rabid, mad dog, psychotic folks like I had the night before. I didn't want to start the New Year being a victim, or being in jail for harming some piece of trash.

I haven't heard anything at all from ******** yet. I'm not surprised however. They didn't say or do anything when I called them about the first incident.

So there you have it. What should I do in this situation? What are my rights? I've emailed ****** twice, and spoke to them twice, but so far they have done nothing.

I think an apology is owed and reparations should be given. I would really appreciate it if you would take a few minutes of your time to think about this and then email me back with your suggestions if you think there is a fair and just remedy for me here. Amicably Yours If you have a interest in being helpful to me then, email me at *******"

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like me (1)

extirpater (132500) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676639)

i receive these kinds of mails from nigeria from a prince every time.

Re:like me (4, Insightful)

DittoBox (978894) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677069)

As a designer this design makes me puke, crap and wee myself at the same time. While seizing.

Please make the text readable with black on white. I realize that there's plenty of pedantic crap that could be said about archaic hardware, 80 columns of text and green on black but we don't live in the 1980's anymore. ;)

Re:like me (4, Insightful)

Joce640k (829181) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677345)

I only made it half way through the second paragraph before my eyes started freaking out.

If you want more than that out of me, you'll have to change the colors.

Re:like me (4, Insightful)

jdoss (802219) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677665)

Same. I was doing well until I saw, "The next is a bit long", and figured to hell with it. I wasn't laughing anyway... perhaps because my eyes were bleeding.

Re:like me (5, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677727)


What do you mean, "We aren't in the 80s anymore?" I sit here, typing on my
Apple //c, with a white glove on my hand, "Thriller" playing the the background,
and I'm about to pop off to my break dancing lessons. I would say more, but I
have to clean off the ranch dressing I just got all over my parachute pants
before I head out the door.

Sincerely,
M.C. Morgan

Re:like me (3, Informative)

isomeme (177414) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677953)

+1

As a mildly visually handicapped person, I can't comfortably read that color scheme at any text size. It's just horrible. Please consider accessability issues in your web design.

Re:like me (0, Offtopic)

ari_j (90255) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678247)

I know how you feel. I used to have 20/15 vision but I read an article from the Idle section in full and now I had to spend most of my paycheck for a down payment on a seeing eye dog.

Re:like me (2, Insightful)

Geoffrey.landis (926948) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678325)

Please make the text readable with black on white.

Agree!

There are worse possibilities than white on green, but I wouldn't read those, either.

what is the idle template doing (2, Insightful)

old and new again (985238) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676649)

on the front page, messing everything

Re:what is the idle template doing (4, Informative)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676777)

You can change this in your preferences. Just go to 'help and preferences' and then 'sections' section assign a thin box or a no-display to this category.

eeeewwww (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24676653)

white on green bad

Choice of words did not go unnoticed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24676667)

Are you going to come out in support of something? Have you come out recently?

You say more than you think. I would rather you think before you engage your keyboard.

Posted AC for obvious reasons.

OT: obvious reasons (4, Insightful)

thePowerOfGrayskull (905905) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677003)

Posted AC for obvious reasons.

Am I the only one that always gets a chuckle out of these disclaimers? The 'obvious reasons' always seem to boil down to a) don't want to go through the karmic trauma of being modded down or b) persecution complex.

Yeah, haha, you're so funny. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24676723)

Making fun of mentally ill people - how noble of you. Not.

Re:Yeah, haha, you're so funny. (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676853)

Mod this up. At least it's better than the old days when RobLimo would "interview" obviously deranged people for everyone's amusement.

Re:Yeah, haha, you're so funny. (5, Funny)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677139)

Oh no! /. has offended a whiny, oversensitive commissar of the politically correct! He/she has ridden in on his/her redoubtable white steed to defend the honor of some random crazy person from the internet! Hail and godspeed hero crusader! Give me a break.

Re:Yeah, haha, you're so funny. (5, Insightful)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677527)

Oh no! /. has offended a whiny, oversensitive commissar of the politically correct!

He/she has ridden in on his/her redoubtable white steed to defend the honor of some random crazy person from the internet! Hail and godspeed hero crusader!

Give me a break.

That's not the point. In much the same way it's not cool to kick over wheel chairs or trip the blind it's also not cool to troll mad people or laugh at their ravings in public.

It's really a question of taste and sportsmanship, not political correctness.

Re:Yeah, haha, you're so funny. (4, Funny)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677881)

You're half right.

It's not cool to troll mentally ill people because I believe that is a way of taking advantage of their disability, but it *is* fun to laugh at their ravings. Or am I not allowed to laugh at Bush's speeches anymore?

Re:Yeah, haha, you're so funny. (2, Funny)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677895)

That's not the point. In much the same way it's not cool to kick over wheel chairs or trip the blind

I'm sure glad you aren't making movies! That stuff is slapstick gold! :)

Re:Yeah, haha, you're so funny. (3, Funny)

Maudib (223520) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677383)

Didn't you just do the same? GAH- Now I did!?!?! Where will the cycle end?

Okay, Doctor. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24678085)

What are your qualifications for diagnosing these people based on a single letter they have written? Who, in your esteemed opinion, is an acceptable target for mockery?

Humor is one of the ways we deal with the world so that we do not become mentally ill. Humor and compassion are not mutually exclusive.

People who cannot find humor in the actions of the mentally ill are usually full of pity, which is much, much worse. It's an insidious way of disenfranchising the mentally ill. It is incompatible with compassion and does no one any favors. The only thing it does is assuage your own guilt - but at the expense of the people you are supposedly defending.

Wow, a whole 3 rants? (3, Insightful)

alta (1263) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676765)

Wow, judging by the small number of flames you guys are getting, people must REALLY LOVE YOU.

But then again, based on the number of flames in the poll comments, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Maybe yall are missing some somehow. Something MUST be misconfigured. Maybe you should check your MX records. Then again, maybe not. Ignorance is bliss.

Re:Wow, a whole 3 rants? (1)

VeNoM0619 (1058216) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677237)

Same thing was said about last week only having "a whole 2 rants". So far we are at 5, perhaps just give it some time? In 52 weeks we could be at a whole 104 rants.

Re:Wow, a whole 3 rants? (5, Funny)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678029)

Jesus you people are rediculous! These guys are going above and beyond the call of a /. editor to bring us this stuff. Do you really think they have time to go over thousands of emails and put it all up so you'll be happy? How much time do you think they have? Being a /. editor means spending literally minutes a day meticulously researching submitted posts for dupes, checking spelling, revising incomplete submissions, looking up rules of grammar, fact checking, source checking, etc. etc. And now that they take a few minutes out of their 23 hours of free time to bring you a little laughter from retarded people and misdirected emails, all your can do is complain? Sheesh, the nerve of some people!

Re:Wow, a whole 3 rants? (2, Interesting)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677941)

I was thinking perhaps a separate page for this kind of thing would simply be better. No need to create a whole story for it-- just put a link at the top of the page which says "3 new slashdot nastygrams!" or something similar.

Or we could have it bash.org style, post up the best ones and let us vote them up or down.

Let me guess (4, Interesting)

dedazo (737510) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676773)

The ********** on the second email was Bill Gates. Right?

BTW, how come the input box on the reply page for this section is really small but not on the others?

And seriously, that green background has to go.

Boring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24676787)

They weren't funny or interesting the last time. I almost fell asleep reading these ones.

trolling, duh? (5, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676803)

It's not all angry or insane, sometimes it's sent to us for no apparent reason.

Everything is done for a reason- in this case, it's probably to try and troll Slashdot staff, though some of the babbling nonsense may be spammers; they're known for taking text off the internet and using it. Now that you're posting the emails, expect the volume to skyrocket from the people who are purposefully sending the email to you.

I honestly don't find any values in these emails. They're either assholes or babbling idiots, neither of them interesting or funny.

PS: found that email.. (5, Insightful)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676957)

http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/questions/2005-01/2996.html [derkeiler.com] In short, that email was sent to a bunch of techie related lists. If you had bothered to search on a phrase in the email, you would have found it too.

Re:PS: found that email.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677775)

I like the fact that the /. version used 'nigger' and censored 'Applebees', and the linked version did the reverse.

Re:PS: found that email.. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677785)

and, because this guy annoyed half the net, someone even found out who the guy is [cyclingforums.com]

Re:PS: found that email.. (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678107)

The editors don't edit the submissions they approve. They don't check for anything in the way of factual sanity, much less correctness. They certainly don't read the articles that submissions link to. Do you really expect them to read sites for which they aren't spoon-fed a link?

Publicizing trolls? You're worse than hitler! (2, Informative)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677679)

I didn't realize I could gain publicity from this place for trolling. Now that I know...

The holocaust was faked.

CmdrTaco is dead.

Evolution isn't real, God created us to fight other ethnic groups and win.

If I don't get my own section of slashdot for this post, I'm going to turn you into the FBI for child porn.

Maybe I should have included some random caps lock fouls. The Godwin in the subject line should be enough for something.

Re:Publicizing trolls? You're worse than hitler! (2, Interesting)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678311)

You amateur..

1) Guns are for people with small penises and short man syndrome. They've done nothing but increase the crime rate not lower it.

2) For those religious nutjobs that don't believe in evolution or the world is older than 8000 years, get over it. If you believe God not only created the world for our sole enjoyment, but created it in one big magic flash with light from distant stars and galaxies already in transit to trick us or test our faith, then you must have a very small opinion of God or an over inflated sense of self presence in the universe.

3) A womans body is her own and its her choice with what to do with it. However after the first trimester abortion should be illegal as the fetus now has consciousness and is considered a human with rights of its own. (got both sides with that one)

4) You're a jackass if you vote Republican. Republican politicians fundamentally lie and pander to the religious right to deceive them into voting Republican. They don't actually believe any of that nonsense.

5) Windows, Linux and Macs ALL suck. In fact computer operating systems are just a fundamentally flawed and bad idea.

5) Dogs are FAR FAR smarter than cats.

6) All religions in the world fundamentally talk about and believe in the same thing. Variations and disagreements are simply individual people projecting their own beliefs and warping the intent of the religion to suit their own twisted views.

How about that?

Re:trolling, duh? (1)

HardCase (14757) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678087)

I get 'em all the time, too, and I own a piddly little insignificant web site. But what's worse than the trollish emails is the god-awful white on green format of idle.slashdot.

The tiny little comment box is kind of cute, though.

hate mail & hide idle (3, Informative)

Animaether (411575) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676821)

you want to see hate mail? Well, technically, not mail - but try the last time this stuff got posted to front page:
http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/13/2336232 [slashdot.org]

Plenty of hate.

Thankfully, you can hide Idle. Customize > Sections, set Idle to the left-most radiobutton option, click the button in the bottom and.. ahhh, bliss.

Re:hate mail & hide idle (5, Funny)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676941)

Thankfully, you can hide Idle. Customize > Sections, set Idle to the left-most radiobutton option, click the button in the bottom and.. ahhh, bliss.

it's obviously not working since you're still posting in Idle.

Re:hate mail & hide idle (2, Funny)

Chad Birch (1222564) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677419)

I asked in the last Idle story that clogged up my feed, but didn't get a response:

Does anyone know how to stop idle from appearing in the RSS feed? The posts are really fucking terrible and I would like to pretend they don't exist.

P.S. I really like this 100px-wide comment box on idle, it's almost as good as the white-on-teal articles.

Racist Attacks are Terrorism (-1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676841)

I can't make racist people stay away from restaurants. Calling them terrorists is a bit of a stretch too.

I know that this story is supposed to be humor. And that person asking for remedies to racism is clearly asking the wrong person.

But a standalone fact is that racism is indeed terrorism. When you call a Black person "nigger", you are referring to a long history of abuse, often lethal (and worse) of Black people. You are saying it to terrorize them. Not just personally, but as part of a whole group of people that you are trying to intimidate. That's an instance of using threats for political effects: suppressing Black people by singling one out as a representative of all Black people, then attacking them as that representative.

It is indeed terrorism. It's not at all the scale of crashing planefuls of people into giant office towers, or beheading someone in a widely distributed video. But it is indeed terrorism. And repeated thousands of times a day, for hundreds of years, that kind of terrorism has a very large scale effect.

That's no joke.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (4, Insightful)

joggle (594025) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677033)

Practically any crime involving intimidation can be turned into terrorism if you consider that the criminal is trying to terrorize you. The armed burglar, mugger, etc. are all trying to scare you into giving them what they want. Doesn't make them terrorists though.

They already have hate crimes for things like this, no need to further stretch the 'terrorism' word further than it already has been.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (5, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677079)

"But a standalone fact is that racism is indeed terrorism. When you call a Black person "nigger", you are referring to a long history of abuse, often lethal (and worse) of Black people."
No not at all. No more than someone saying whitey or honky is!
What about Redneck or Cracker?
It is ugly and ignorant but terrorism? You are granting idiots too much power over you.

Get over it people.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677353)

Base insults are not terrorists acts.

Racist comments are NOT Terrorism (1, Insightful)

scipiodog (1265802) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677355)

Wow.

He got called "nigger" two times in five years and that's Terrorism to you?

By your logic, calling someone "Faggot" twice is terrorism, too. After all, there's a long history of oppression of gay people (longer than black people, in fact.)

How about being called "witch" or "infidel"?

All terrorism, according to you.

Ridiculous.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677371)

Every fucking thing the religious right and religious left doesn't like becomes "terrorism."

Terrorism is the most overused word in the english language these days.

Also reminds me of the lame attempts to eliminate the word from gangster rap and hip hop.

This kind of stupidity makes people cling to these words more strongly.

Instead of getting enraged at speech, get enraged at real injustice.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (3, Insightful)

Rob Kaper (5960) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677379)

When you call a Black person "nigger", you are referring to a long history of abuse, often lethal (and worse) of Black people.

"Black people" can be perceived as derogative as well. And so can "negroid", "coloured", and so on. Take offense to the "I hope he's not a" part. That is the racist element.

If I said "look at Obama, there might be a nigger in charge of the USA soon, that'd be so cool".. how would that be racism, let alone terrorism? Context means a lot in communication.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (1)

nawcom (941663) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677827)

Language can be a challenge to some people. I heard this the other day from my girlfriend who lives with a girl who takes care of children born with autism. It is considered offensive to be called an "autistic child" versus a "child suffering from autism." Yeah, it can be looked as being a little too sensitive, though if you look real hard, there is a difference between describing who (or what) a person is (he or she is autistic) and what a person (as in the same as everyone else) is suffering from.

Myself, when it comes to skin color, usually refer to one as a person with x skin color, since that is the only difference, for example i'm just a human being with white-colored skin. Just my own preference. Unfortunately there are still many people who define a "black person" or "a black" as a lazy no-good big-boned ape. Which is sad.

I just did a quick read-through, was the issue with skin color taking place in Canada? I'm a little curious on the status of skin color segregation in other countries of the world, other than Canada and the US.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (1)

nawcom (941663) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678017)

And with the reference to terrorism, that is too much. Why? Because these types of phobias and insecurities and hate are actually quite common, and it can be looked on as a special trait of humans. Along with the great complexity of the human brain comes the possibility of a logic-simplistic skill of hate, because the people around you are different. From the single celled amoeba to the intelligent complexities such as dolphins, monkeys, and pigs, none have the flaw that humans continue to socially carry to their young, the flaw against their own. Sad really.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (2, Insightful)

MPAB (1074440) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678233)

What would be more accurate: "a child suffering from autism" or "a child whose family suffers from his/her autism"? "An autistic child" is the most accurate of all, just as "african american" isn't anywhere as accurate as "dark skinned person" or "black person".
And I rather don't mention the "special abilities" fad.

It's Newspeak all along, sacrificing clarity and straighforwardness.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677463)

You are saying it to terrorize them. Not just personally, but as part of a whole group of people that you are trying to intimidate.

Nope. "nigger" and other racial slurs serve more to dehumanize their targets and distance them from the person uttering it.

Dehumanize =/= Terrorize.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677489)

You know, the fact that both of those people got escorted off the premises and that most of the people around him were very receptive to him screams that it's an isolated problem. Keep in mind that he's in Missouri, which sided with the South and had slavery (if I remember correctly).

Racism is isolated and uncommon; bringing attention to it's just going to backfire at this point.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (2, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677501)

> But a standalone fact
> is that racism is indeed
> terrorism.

No. Some skinhead pansy prancing around is an idiot. Not enough of a threat to waste the word terrorist on. Some hillbilly who still uses the N word in public is not a terrorist. Bigot? Yes. Terrorist? No.

The Klan burning a cross in somebody's front yard? Terrorist. Burning one at a Klan rally? Stupid but not terrorist.

To qualify for terrorist there needs to be violence or the direct threat of violence.

Of course lesser evil still needs to be defeated, not just terrorists. I'm just objecting to throwing that word around so much it becomes meaningless. And stupid is sometimes just ignorant. Ignorant can be cured.... sometimes.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (1)

42Penguins (861511) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677543)

If racism is terrorism, then we are all terrorists.

Recently a woman with dark skin (white mother, black father) was shot during a drug raid. She had 6 children from 5 fathers, and lived with a new boyfriend who was the focus of the raid for crack dealing. The self-appointed black leaders of the town shouted for months (and are still shouting) about racism in policing and the court system, brought Jesse Jackson to town, and called for murder charges against the officer. He was acquitted in court of lesser charges, and now they are pushing for a federal civil rights case.

Meanwhile, there have been 300 police calls for shootings this year, many of them black-on-black and from the same neighborhood as the raid, and not a peep from the same people from above. Racism?

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677545)

But a standalone fact is that posting as an Anonymous Coward is indeed terrorism. When you post as an Anonymous Coward, you are referring to a long history of trolling, often annoying (and worse) Slashdot users. You are posting to terrorize them. Not just personally, but as part of a whole group of people that you are trying to intimidate. That's an instance of using trolls for political effects: suppressing legitimate posters by drowning out legitimate conversations and derailing threads.

It is indeed terrorism. It's not at all the scale of crashing planefuls of people into giant office towers, or beheading someone in a widely distributed video. But it is indeed terrorism. And repeated thousands of times a day, for hundreds of years, that kind of terrorism has a very large scale effect.

That's no joke.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677551)

the fact that this sort of ignorance is abound makes me sad for our society. I'm no racist, but the minute you start telling me which words i can and cannot say you are trampling my rights. If i want to go into a nightclub in the middle of Harlem and scream a racial slur that's my right. any beatings resulting from it are also my right, but constitute physical assault charges on the offending party.

Retards were picketing the new release of the movie Tropic Thunder for "gratuitous use" of a "hateful word".

honestly, what ever happened to "sticks and stones"? none of the blacks born in the last 50 years have been oppressed. next issue please.

and everyone, please refrain from using the word "toast", as it offends me, and i have lobbied my congresspersons to have its utterance deemed a hate crime. too many innocent pieces of bread have been burned in the past.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (3, Insightful)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677701)

Sorry, but the dictionary disagrees with you [reference.com]. I would like to quote the Firesign Theater (I think from the "Bozos" record, I got stoned a lot back then and it was thirty or more years ago):

There's micks and wops and niggers and kikes with noses as long as your arm, and honkeys who never left the farm. THAT'S America, buddy!

My ancestors were called "micks" and it was spewed back then like "nigger" is now. Have you seen the movie Blazing Saddles? "Ok, we'll even take the niggers, but NOT the Irish!" We got past it, so should you.

I heard a man once say that when black people would stop using the word "nigger", he would too. Although I personally dislike the word, I think he has a valid point.

The reason the word is so distasteful is that "nigger" means "slave"; back when slavery was legal, a slave was considered just another farm animal, a subhuman. You had "field niggers" and "house niggers", like a house cat or an alley cat.

A "nigger rig" was a mechanical device meant for the slaves to use, usually junk, that was hastily repaired by a white slave owner or his white employees with the least amount of effort and expense. It was not "Afro-American Engineering".

If a word terrorizes you, you are indeed a cowardly wimp. Grow up and grow a spine.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677747)

right or wrong, in this country someone is still free to call someone else whatever they want.

There is NO right to not be offended in our constitution.

Re:Racist Attacks are Terrorism (2, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678267)

I disagree that calling someone "nigger" implies a threat. It's a hateful word, and can certainly be used in a threatening context - but the word itself is not a terrorist threat.

As an extreme and obvious example, Chris Rock can say it and it's comedy. Less extreme is this hick at Applebee's - if he was trying to insult the guy and make him uncomfortable - that's not terrorism. There needs to be a threat of violence.

I'm not trying to defend the hick at Applebee's - he's the worst kind of person. But people are tossing the word "terrorism" around so much that it is losing it's meaning. If insulting people is terrorism, then what the hell do you call blowing up a building full of your political enemy?

uh.... (1)

jgarra23 (1109651) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676847)

That's insane?

Wow, it's eerie how mentally-unstable peoples' ramblings sound astoundingly similar to Nigerian spam. No kidding either, it's creepy to me!

Obligatory Mel Brooks (1)

Legion_SB (1300215) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676889)

"Sir, he specifically requested two 'niggers'. Well, to tell the family secret, my grandmother was Dutch."

Idle on front page. (1, Offtopic)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676901)

Can we keep the Idle stuff off the front page?

Re:Idle on front page. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677097)

I agree, take the idle section off the front page!

Re:Idle on front page. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677181)

+1

Even Katz and Timothy were never this lame. People who want to be amused read the comments in classic mode at -1 (inviting the inevitable -- thank you moderators).

I Move We Rename the "Idle" Section (5, Insightful)

aquatone282 (905179) | more than 5 years ago | (#24676905)

. . . to the "Lame" section, because the few times I've visited I've always left thinking "Man, that was lame.

30th of November (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24676975)

That email should be obvious to everyone.. It's a spam mail bot.. I get them all the time too. Maybe someday one of mine will make front page of slashdot.

Tubbs wants his color back (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677005)

Word of advice - use teal sparingly. Reading white text on that background gives me a headache. I feel like I got my ass kicked by Miami Vice.

Comment Bar placement (1)

Rashkae (59673) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677087)

Question:, how I do I stop the comment bar from pinning itself on this page layout? The little down arrow clicky isn't there, and I can't find it's equivalent. (It's a small thing, but annoying like a sore tooth I can't stop poking at)

So What? (1)

Skeetskeetskeet (906997) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677163)

It's a known fact Slashdot mods are a bunch of biased peter puffers, they get their jollies modding up and down posts, and if you're on their "butt buddy" list you get an automatic 5 post on anything you put up.

Yeah. (3, Funny)

juuri (7678) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677179)

How about we just pretend these two idle postings to the front page never happened and return to our usual flaming of microsoft, apple, and wondering when esr is going to start using a proper deodorant.

Seriously? Guys? This is complete FAIL.
 

First Response (1)

LiquidvsMetal (1340443) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677223)

I'm still laughing about the first letter. And I'm curious what move did you make, asshole?

Seriously, who does this guy think he is?

"I'll read my news elsewhere!"

Let him go get his news from Fox, he'll fit in better there anyway.

Not funny... (2, Insightful)

MojoRilla (591502) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677239)

The second email seems to be from a bipolar or schizophrenic woman who is having severe delusions. I know because a relative of mine who has been diagnosed as bipolar has had similar delusions.

Instead of posting the email and laughing at this poor woman, why don't you try to get her help?

Re:Not funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24678019)

Good grief. 1) it's not their responsibility to look out for the wellfare of the mentally ill for Christ sake.

2) Her condition doesn't make the ramble any less funny.
Mentally Ill or not, it's STILL funny. Nobody's making fun of that fact -we're laughing at the context of the message - not her illness.

You need a friggin' massage along with the rest of the /. prudes.

Good Grief (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677245)

The /. community needs to friggin' chill out.

I myself find these posts interesting, somewhat humorous and you should continue posting them -the rest of you, take a pill for God sake.

It's all downhill from here (2, Insightful)

sjonke (457707) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677255)

I didn't say anything the first time, but this time.... Really, how do you follow up the first Disagree Mail with something even worse even when you know you're going to get hammered for it? Let's all hope this is the last Disagree Mail episode, because it obviously isn't going to get any better.

They clearly need the material... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677405)

...and they figure this is the best way to get it.

Dear editor... (5, Insightful)

aug24 (38229) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677263)

Please take this idle shit off the RSS feed.

Ta muchly,
Justin.

Re:Dear editor... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677553)

Yes, please. It's great that idle is separate from the rest of /. -- if only it were also separate from the rss feed. And the whole internet.

Human Computers (4, Insightful)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677291)

A little history: [kuro5hin.org] Before ENIAC was engineered, a "computer" was a human being whose job was to do math, e.g. making ballistics tables for artillery, etc.

During WWII the military employed hundreds, perhaps thousands, of human computers.

Frank herbert called them "Mentats".

BTW and OT, the black on dark green on this screen is unreadable to geezers (and possibly to young people as well). I really wish you guys would fix that, thx.

I get enough meaningless drivel in my own mailbox (2, Insightful)

D. Taylor (53947) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677305)

I don't need to read yet more crap on slashdot. Especially when it isn't even funny.

You know what's even funnier? (1)

fiannaFailMan (702447) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677455)

All the angry /. people posting angry rants about white text on green (which I quite like) and how oppressed they are by an item appearing on the front page of /. that they don't want to read. If I were you I'd just tell them 'We must pick up our crosses daily."

Re:You know what's even funnier? (1)

CaseyB (1105) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678061)

On the other hand, I haven't seen such unanimous disdain for a series of slashdot articles since Jon Katz. Is it still ungrateful whining if *everyone* is doing it?

Dear Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677493)

I have recently begun reading a section of your website called "Idle", but the text is an ugly white on green and it's making my eyes bleed.

Seeing as you are based in the USA, can you recommend a lawyer so I can sue you and can you tell me how much money you have?

Thank you.

Missouri / Verbal Assault (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677719)

In Missouri, there's no such thing as "verbal assault". It's harassment. You have the right to walk away, and an owner or custodian of private property has the right to eject any individual, and may seek criminal trespass charges if the harassment persists.

It may not be just or fair, but if you can provoke someone into attacking you using only words, they are guilty of assault in Missouri.

What a waste of time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24677763)

This was a waste of time. Im going to write you to ask for my 10 minutes back. Popeye is funnier than this garbage. Popeye.

She's onto me! (3, Funny)

Experiment 626 (698257) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677791)

I must confess, I am the computer programmer identified as "**********" in the second letter who used Mike's Pin# and password to steal 100 billion dollars from National Security and who has been reading people's minds and brainwashing them.

Thanks to this human computer discovering my evil scheme, and the Slashdot editors posting it for all the world to see, it appears I have to do some damage control to keep my "black market industry" a secret. I am now forced to take drastic action, including but not limited to: emailing everyone I know or reading my news else where. Your move ***hole!

Please search google first (0, Redundant)

blast3r (911514) | more than 5 years ago | (#24677841)

The last two have been around for a long time. This was just someone spamming a list of email addresses they had. One is even as far back as 2001. I was happy to see the first post of this last week but if it is just going to be a place to bring up old spam then yuck.

you could start with fixing the ad server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24678001)

Right now, there's an ad that never goes away, and page content never appears. It looks like the ad itself is doing a redirect, sending the client to a page that only contains the ad. Weird.

Tag as "pleasestop" (1)

Ambiguous Coward (205751) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678007)

I said it in the last Idle article, and I'll say it in this one:

New tag: pleasestop

Never give up, never surrender!

-G

Poll (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678209)

I submitted a poll (or I hope I did - there is not a good interface for submitting polls) the other day:

Which would you rather see terminated?
- kdawson
- idle.slashdot.org
- both
- Not CowboyNeal

It'll never get posted, of course, but maybe someone will listen. It seems that Slashdot is becoming more "corporate," and of course by that I mean "mismanaged." The overall impression I get is that Slashdot has meetings to come up with new ideas, and just like many meetings of that sort, instead of acting as a filter by having more voices to reject bad ideas, those voices instead multiple only the number of bad ideas generated and accepted for lack of rejection.

Make it stop. And if this is just a New Coke-esque ploy to get us not to complain about spelling and grammatical errors in stories and stupid April Fool's Day jokes, it has accomplished its purpose already and you can bring back Slashdot Classic now.

Eugene, Oregon? (1)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678023)

Since I actually live in Eugene, this one was kinda weird. For those of you who aren't familiar with our little part of the world, it's know for rain, runners, and an aging hippie population.

I'm not familiar with any human computers or FBI conspiracies, but maybe those are just "his" mind control methods in action.

sigh (1)

legoman666 (1098377) | more than 5 years ago | (#24678095)

Why are so many people under the impression that making racist comments is illegal?

And oh my god, reading that white on green text made my eyes water.

For the love of $imaginary_deity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24678303)

In the name of everything holy, get rid of that goddamn horrible white-on-green design. I actually want to read this section, but not at the cost of setting my eyes on fire.

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