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James Powderly of Graffiti Research Labs Detained In China

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the many-eyes-might-help dept.

Censorship 337

An anonymous reader writes "News from Free Tibet 2008 that internationally known artist, technologist and co-founder of the Graffiti Research Lab, James Powderly, was detained in Beijing early on August 19th while preparing to debut a new work and technology of protest, the L.A.S.E.R. Stencil. According to a Twitter message received yesterday by Students for a Free Tibet at approximately 5 pm Beijing Standard Time, Powderly had been detained by Chinese authorities at 3 am. His current whereabouts remain unknown. Powderly was the inventor of throwies." (Powderly's detention was also mentioned at Make Magazine's blog.)

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Whoops (5, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678553)

He made the mistake of catching the wrong bus [usatoday.com] to the olympics.

Re:Whoops (3, Insightful)

The Ancients (626689) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678653)

from that article:

The switch from gunshots to injections is a sign that China "promotes human rights now," says Kang Zhongwen, who designed the Jinguan Automobile death van...

So they're starting to look at how people die? Me - I would have thought looking at how people live would have been a more useful step in promoting human rights. But then what do I know - I don't control the lives of over a billion people...

Re:Whoops (2, Insightful)

Pantero Blanco (792776) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679177)

"I'm most proud of the bed. It's very humane, like an ambulance," Kang says. He points to the power-driven metal stretcher that glides out at an incline. "It's too brutal to haul a person aboard," he says. "This makes it convenient for the criminal and the guards."

So, basically, it makes it easier to ignore the fact that you're killing someone.

I'm not against capital punishment, but I think that there should be a certain amount of raw reality involved in it. No coat of sugar.

Re:Whoops (3, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679281)

"I'm most proud of the bed. It's very humane, like an ambulance," Kang says. He points to the power-driven metal stretcher that glides out at an incline. "It's too brutal to haul a person aboard," he says. "This makes it convenient for the criminal and the guards."

So, basically, it makes it easier to ignore the fact that you're killing someone.

I'm not against capital punishment, but I think that there should be a certain amount of raw reality involved in it. No coat of sugar.

Whenever someone is exulting over inventing an instrument of punishment or death like this, I always wonder if they ever entertain the thought that they might have it used on them. I believe the story of Dr. Guillotine being serviced by his own device was a myth but this idea is a popular one, recurring throughout history. It just seems like poetic justice.

Re:Whoops (4, Interesting)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679183)

Wow, Death Vans. That's creepy as hell. I mean, I know that there's been state-sanctioned capital punishment since the beginning of civilization but it just seems creepy when combined with the mobile approach. I'm used to seeing mobile clinics, mobile libraries, mobile law offices, not mobile death chambers. It reminds me of all the creepy art from the christian apocalypse stuff at my church when I was a kid. Once the UN ushered in the New World Order and the Antichrist became the General Secretary, all people now professing to be Christians post-rapture would be put to death, always by guillotine. This was absolutely agreed upon, just the same as the Antichrist working through the UN. Jack Chick had creepy little moto-guillotines in his drawings where smartly-uniformed motorcycle cops would drive up in an open-cab vehicle that looks like a landscaping utility tractor, the guillotine in the flatbed. They would then line up the Christians for the day's executions and lop off their heads. This part really freaked me out because the public works dept. of the city I lived in used tractors of exactly the same design. I was convinced that they had mounting brackets for the guillotines and were just waiting for the order to install them. Yeesh. Freddy Krueger never did anything for me but my religion scared the shit out of me.

Re:Whoops (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24679339)

You live in the scariest country in the world.

Re:Whoops (1)

DeadDecoy (877617) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679265)

Wow, read the little bit on speculation about the organ trade and iit seems like China's just a step or two away from soylent green. All they have to do is turn the bus into a mobile cantina and give out free food to the populace.

idiot (-1, Flamebait)

anotherone (132088) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678563)

The stupid motherfucker. What did he expect?

Rosa Parks (1, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678631)

Rosa Parks knew that she was SUPPOSED to give up her seat, but she took a stand. It was arguably dangerous for her to do so.

People who have the balls to stand up against tyrants may be called stupid by some, but they will be called heroes by others.

Oh, and non-destructive graffiti is pretty damned cool.

Re:Rosa Parks (2, Informative)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678727)

Powderly is not Tibetan, not a resident of China, a foreigner who traveled to China for the express purpose of making this protest, and achieved nothing in this protest. Powderly and his protest is nothing like Park's protest.

And I'M BadAnalogyGuy?!

Re:Rosa Parks (3, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678857)

How do you know? Isn't it a tad/i hasty to be making assumptions? And hasn't he actually achieved at least something? When was the last time anything you did got mentioned on the front page of Slashdot?

What does the fact that he isn't Tibetan or a Chinese citizen have to do with anything? What I'm getting out of your post is, "people should mind their own business and not rock the boat." Is that the impression you meant to convey?

Re:Rosa Parks (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679009)

How do you know? Isn't it a tad hasty to be making assumptions? And hasn't he actually achieved at least something?

Is this like how the movement of butterfly wings can be responsible for a hurricane? Because if that's what you mean, then we can't ever discount anything as a cause for anything. And that's just stupid.

Re:Rosa Parks (4, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679087)

He went over there to get publicity for a cause, and he got publicity for a cause. You could argue he achieved less than he might have, but to say he achieved nothing is idiotic.

Re:Rosa Parks (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679157)

You could argue he achieved less than he might have, but to say he achieved nothing is idiotic.

Let's compare [googlefight.com]

It is pretty clear that the Tibet issue and the Free Tibet movement is much bigger and well-known than this guy's activism. Yes, a drop of water in the ocean adds to the total amount, but on the whole not so much.

One doesn't need to be a member of the oppressed (5, Insightful)

apparently (756613) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678863)

in order to protest oppression, numbnuts.

Powderly is not Tibetan, not a resident of China, a foreigner who traveled to China for the express purpose of making this protest, and achieved nothing in this protest. Powderly and his protest is nothing like Park's protest. And I'M BadAnalogyGuy?!

Re:One doesn't need to be a member of the oppresse (-1, Flamebait)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679121)

Protestors... always demanding people change what they're doing, never buckling down to create infrastructure to support new ways of life.

Tibet is better off now than they were before. China is doing all the right things.

I hope they shoot the guy.

Re:Rosa Parks (3, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678779)

Rosa Parks was given a speedy trial, fined $14, and on appeal wreaked havoc on the laws that were the foundation of racial segregation in the United States.

Since this guy is a US citizen, the Chinese government will probably let him live. A Chinese citizen probably wouldn't be so lucky.

Hopefully this event teaches him, and and others in his home country to appreciate the freedom that they have when they're spewing their typical "baby out with the bathwater" rants about how fascist the US government is.

Re:Rosa Parks (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679111)

Hopefully this event teaches him, and and others in his home country to appreciate the freedom that they have when they're spewing their typical "baby out with the bathwater" rants about how fascist the US government is.

Don't hold your breath. This idiot and his ilk can't wrap their limited minds around the concept that they are more free than most and this won't even begin to dent their thick skulls with the truth.

And, what is really funny to me is that they espouse and wish to impose here in the U.S.A. the very ideals that created such free and open countries as Cuba, China, and the former USSR.

Re:Rosa Parks!=Powderly// but he still has worth (1)

Lucid 3ntr0py (1348103) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679475)

Obviously comparing what he is doing to Rosa Parks is a horrible analogy that would give you low scores on the SAT verbal. However he is doing exactly what all people of privilege should do: use their 'gifted' place in society to help others. While most of us take our white male privilege for granted, he is openly willing to place his life on the line to share it with other people. Because he has the resources he is helping others accomplish their goals. And you mock him for this? You should have posted as a coward because that's is clearly what you are Whether or not he is correct concerning the stance and situation of Tibet with China, his goal is to allow freedom of expression through the reclamation of public spaces. How can you sit there and lambaste him when he is actually taking chances to do something he believes in- in a non-violent fashion? Besides this I won't comment on your terribly stated and obvious flamebait responses to his political ideals. I know this is /. and you obviously didn't RTFA but he isn't saying ANYTHING about the USA while he is in China. We need a mod tool to amend sigs to have "community sponsored 'special person' tag".

Re:Rosa Parks (4, Informative)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679181)

"Hopefully this event teaches him, and and others in his home country to appreciate the freedom that they have when they're spewing their typical 'baby out with the bathwater' rants about how fascist the US government is."

By your logic, practically nobody in the world is in a position to complain about their situation, for you'll nearly always be able to find somebody who is worse off than you are. Keeping quiet about abuses at home because other, worse abuses are taking place elsewhere is hardly a reasonable thing to demand of another. Please keep your jingoism to yourself.

Re:Rosa Parks (0, Flamebait)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679433)

Please keep your jingoism to yourself.

Jingoism: extreme chauvinism or nationalism marked especially by a belligerent foreign policy.

Please keep your self-righteous idiocy to yourself.

Re:Rosa Parks (1, Offtopic)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679583)

Oh... brilliant comeback!

Re:Rosa Parks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24679311)

Hopefully this event teaches him, and and others in his home country to appreciate the freedom that they have

Yeah, because nothing warms the cockles of my heart more than the great achievement of being more free than China.

"Good news everybody! Now that we have more freedom than China, we can rest on our laurels. Mission Accomplished!" [/sarcasm]

Re:Rosa Parks (3, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678789)

Rosa Parks

Are you really going to compare graffiti -- a nuisance of a chosen action -- to a civil rights struggle? Based on the color of a person's skin?

People like Rosa Parks were heroes to all, especially to racists and passive people who needed to have their eyes open. I'm not sure who James Powderly thought he was representing but going to a foreign country and committing what is a crime in that country just makes a bunch of people uneasy.

Oh, and non-destructive graffiti is pretty damned cool.

Light is still a form of polution. Though non-destructive, it is most likely still annoying. While I agree with the cause this man was "fighting" for, I am indifferent to his ineffective methods. He would most likely be arrested in my country too [usdoj.gov] .

His methods weren't opening people's eyes, they are alienating people like me who would rather see a message sent to the Chinese government that makes them think about their injustices.

Re:Rosa Parks (1)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678961)

Are you really going to compare graffiti -- a nuisance of a chosen action -- to a civil rights struggle? Based on the color of a person's skin?

I think the protest sounded kind of dumb, but that response is far dumber. A comparison between graffiti and a civil rights struggle is like one between apples and monkey wrenches, but that's not what the OP was saying. He's making a comparison between refusing to give up a seat on a bus in defiance of the law with graffiti, i.e., the act of defiance itself. In a large context, the comparison is between the civil rights struggle in the US and the struggle against Chinese occupation of Tibet, which does seem a bit more comparable.

His methods weren't opening people's eyes, they are alienating people like me who would rather see a message sent to the Chinese government that makes them think about their injustices.

This is almost certainly true.

Re:Rosa Parks (1)

ksd1337 (1029386) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679071)

Light is still a form of polution.

We should arrest those crazy pranksters that placed the Sun in the sky! So... much... pollution...

Re:Rosa Parks (1)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678933)

That sort of protest works lots better when you are in a country that is basically democratic in the first place.

Re:Rosa Parks (1)

cream wobbly (1102689) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679129)

How ironic.

  • Rosa Parks was protesting one of the remaining holdovers of slavery.
  • Powderly is protesting the rule of a government that freed Tibet from slavery.

Re:Rosa Parks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24679401)

How ironic.

  • Rosa Parks was protesting one of the remaining holdovers of slavery.
  • Powderly is protesting the rule of a government that freed Tibet from slavery and is now committing slow genocide by flooding that country with Han Chinese.

There, fixed that for you.

Re:Rosa Parks (1)

Atlantis-Rising (857278) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679519)

How exactly do you commit genocide without killing people? Are the Han Chinese magically making the Tibetans disappear by sheer virtue of their presence?

He is no Rosa Parks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24679187)

I know Rosa Parks, I sat in the bus with Rosa Parks, that guy is no Rosa Parks!

Re:Rosa Parks (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679275)

Rosa Parks was preceded by a number of other bus riders who did the exact same thing but are forgotten (ever heard anyone talk about the great hero Claudette Colvin?). She would have been forgotten too if her supposedly spontaneous stand that day hadn't been carefully planned well in advance by the Montgomery chapter of the NAACP (where she worked).

Heroes are not just created by random acts of resistance, they're created by others willing to sell them as heroes.

i feel the same way about crispus attucks (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24678669)

dumb colonists, blabbering about their rights.

Re:idiot (0)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678673)

Amen to that. Here in the Land of Freedom, the good old USA, we arrest people who make signs with simple blinking LEDs. This jerk goes to China, advocates for the freedom of Tibet, and tries to get people to shine green lasers at buildings (need I point out that many people in the USA have been arrested for pointing lasers skyward as well?). Personally I hope they keep him and we never hear from him again.

Re:idiot (3, Informative)

javelinco (652113) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678851)

That's pretty disingenuous. Writing propaganda these days? "Arrest people who make signs with simple blinking LEDs"? Interesting description. Would you have a problem if I ran up to your house and poured pig's blood all over your porch? Why not? It's easy to clean up! "many people in the USA have been arrested for pointing lasers skyward as well"? Oh, you mean the couple of people who were attempting to shine laser lights in the eyes of pilots of commercial aircraft, and readily admitted to it? If I shone a laser in your eye while you were driving, would that bother you? Do you think someone should be arrested for possibly f*cking up your vision for the rest of your life? How about when that process might end up killing you, and any number of your passengers? I've heard b.s. "we are so bad we shouldn't criticize anyone else" and "Nazi Imperialist U.S.A." before - but I have to say - good job! If this post were a joke, I'd be very impressed. It's unfortunate that you probably mean it. Have you ever noticed that lying for your cause doesn't actually help it in the long run? Let's fix problems honestly, shall we?

Re:idiot (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24678929)

That's pretty disingenuous. Writing propaganda these days? "Arrest people who make signs with simple blinking LEDs"? Interesting description.

Yeah, it is disingenuous. They didn't just arrest them - they then proceeded to charge them with terrorism.

Because, like, they might have been bombs or something.

Re:idiot (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679195)

They then proceeded to charge them with terrorism.

Please list the cases where people who tried to blind pilots were tried as terrorists.

Also, please explain what said people should have been charged with after trying to crash commercial aircraft by blinding the pilots? How about 150 counts of attempted murder?

Re:idiot (4, Informative)

b0bby (201198) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679225)

Actually, they were "were charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct and placing a hoax device in a way that causes panic" according to Boston.com, and the charges were later dropped. Which is still a stupid overreaction, but not the same as charging them with "terrorism".

Re:idiot (1)

notgm (1069012) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679021)

i've never understood how someone pointing a laser up could hit a pilot in the eye. most planes i've seen have windows on the top half of the cockpit, meaning you'd have to be on a similar elevation or above the airplane to even come close.

unless they have those new bendy-lasers.

Re:idiot (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679241)

Simple, you don't point the laser straight up.

The cases referred to involve people who fired lasers into the cockpits of aircraft that were coming in for a landing. When an aircraft is landing, one can fire a laser into the cockpit because of the attitude of the aircraft.

Re:idiot (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679313)

If the pilot can see the ground, then the ground can see the pilot's eyes.

Re:idiot (1)

Ravon Rodriguez (1074038) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679171)

Oh, you mean the couple of people who were attempting to shine laser lights in the eyes of pilots of commercial aircraft, and readily admitted to it?

There is at least one case that I recall where a guy was pointing out stars to his son with a green laser pointer and was arrested because a plane flew in the path of the laser pointer.

Re:idiot (1)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679253)

Isn't it kind of pointless (heh) to use a laser to point out stars. It isn't 1250AD where we had a canopy upon which to shine the laser. Space doesn't provide a surface to reflect back the pointer beam.

Re:idiot (1)

icegreentea (974342) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679557)

The amount of dust in the air combined with the power of these lasers (typically 35-100mW) means that for people near the origin of the laser, it looks like there's a dot in the sky. The further away you get, the more it looks like a line.

so what exactly are you trying to say? (1)

frovingslosh (582462) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679365)

That's pretty disingenuous. Writing propaganda these days?.....

So you go on to point out how dangerous it is for the people in America to shine lasers upwards and in people's eyes, but you seem to be supporting this idiot's efforts to get people to do exactly that. Or don't you think that there can be any people in those buildings looking out of windows when the crowd below shines those lasers.Don't you think the Chinese have helicopters, and that they would be present at just such events? And do you completely discount the likely hood that someone will hold the laser low so to make it harder to pinpoint them as the protester in the crowd rather than overtly hold it high over their head, and in doing so would direct it through an area that is likely to be crossed by someone else's head and eyes? It's just fine for the US government to protect us from people who do this, but it comes as a complete shock to you that this guy would be stopped by Chinese authorities for organizing people to do the same, particularly when he is a foreigner going into the country to organize political protests?

Re:idiot (1)

ksd1337 (1029386) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679193)

He should have mounted the laser onto a shark's forehead. That way, they can't ever catch who's projecting the graffiti, because it would just swim away.

Re:idiot (1, Funny)

MRe_nl (306212) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678711)

Yeah, they'll really stick it to him.
He might end up a floaty.

Re:idiot (1)

iandunn (538656) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679079)

Exactly! I mean... trying to promote human rights? What an asshole...

from a stupid motherfucker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24679567)

I went to a a Communist country myself to help smuggle illegal documents (read Bibles).

Many /.ers don't agree with religion or the faith but that isn't the point. I don't agree with a lot but the beauty of America and several other countries is the FREEDOM of religion and FREEDOM of expression.

I got caught at the border. I have ~70 lbs of Bibles with me so it was very obvious they were for distribution. But I am an American and had a passport and they let me go. We know that they (Chinese and others) don't want to create an international incident. Most of the time the documents get confiscated but even if 50% of them get through, it is a 'win'.

You can call me stupid. Many of us believe in what we are doing. We aren't blowing up bombs or shooting men/women/children. As for martyrdom, I was prepared to die for my faith. Many others were too. I won't kill for my faith. I don't think we are called to do that (anymore).

Many people of many faiths are willing to die (or kill) for what they believe in. Others are willing to post to a website. And there are those in between.

Someone brought up Rosa Parks. Unjust laws are not to be followed. She didn't die or get beaten. She got fined. In China, the stakes are higher.

AC for obvious reasons.

Wow (1, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678579)

The Chinese must be really serious about fighting graffiti in their country.

Re:Wow (1)

ILuvRamen (1026668) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679107)

except according to the article, he didn't put graffiti on anything. In fact the article doesn't say anything really. It says he got kicked out of a convention, not arrested. It says he got detained in the title and the rest of the article doesn't saw how, why, or you know, anything important.

but they make ipods (1)

hildi (868839) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678597)

i love china, because i can buy an ipod for 75 dollars. i dont care who they kill to do it. im a capitalist, free market uber alles!!

Re:but they make ipods (3, Interesting)

spun (1352) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678967)

Amen! Don't you love the way capitalism lets you profit without worrying about the moral standards of the companies you invest in? I mean, I can invest in a company that will do awful things I would never do personally, and I never even have to hear about it, let alone lose sleep over it. And even if I do hear about it, well, I'm just a little investor, I didn't make that decision, it's not my fault! I love diffusion of responsibility. [wikipedia.org]

Was? (4, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678619)

Powderly was the inventor of throwies."

Was? You're writing him off already? Geez! And people say *I'm* a pessimist.

Re:He's not dead yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24678947)

Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes?

He won't be long.

Current whereabouts? (1)

Pichu0102 (916292) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678621)

His current whereabouts remain unknown.

Anyone got a feeling they'll remain that way?

Re:Current whereabouts? (5, Informative)

eln (21727) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679037)

He's an American citizen being detained during the Olympic Games. He's not going to disappear. They'll question him for several hours, probably including sleep deprivation and a lot of yelling, and then kick him out of the country. There was another guy earlier on in the Olympics that got detained for trying to protest, and that's pretty much what happened to him.

The Chinese are trying to look good in front of the world, "disappearing" a foreign national, especially an American, during the Olympics would not be in line with that goal.

Re:Current whereabouts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24679347)

They'll question him for several hours, probably including sleep deprivation and a lot of yelling, and then kick him out of the country.

Actually, they'll question him in a room with a radioactive source in, or smeared with a mutant hpv strain.

Severl months to years later, he'll get an unfortunate and totally unrelated, right aggressive cancer, probably related to all the time he spent soldering stuff for MAKE before the US banned toxic solder like the EU did. Oh dearie me.

It's China. This is no surprise. (1, Informative)

Caraig (186934) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678629)

Anyone else think that China's human rights record doesn't affect them just because they're not Chinese citizens?

Consider him lucky if we hear from and about him ever again.

(Granted, going to China for the express purpose of protesting is going to get you in hot water with the Chinese authorities, but is that the sign of a healthy society?)

Re:It's China. This is no surprise. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24679117)

Bullshit. All the other western "Free Tibet" protesters were chucked out of the country the next day, unharmed.

Incidentally, the INS have the power to do exactly the same thing if I (a foreigner) came to the US to protest at some event.

You know... (5, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678633)

I've never heard of most of these "activists" before the Olympics and I've got a feeling we won't be hearing much from them afterwards. If people have been involved with pro-Tibet, pro-Darfur, pro-democracy, pro-whatever stuff all along, then good for them. But most of these loudmouths getting press recently seem to only be interested in complaining when their neighbors are taking pleasure in something China-related.

It reminds me of all those goofs who are so indignantly outraged every Thanksgiving, but never lift a finger to help American Indians on the other 364 days a year. Or even on Thanksgiving, for that matter.

Re:You know... (4, Insightful)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678741)

Perhaps this speaks more of the level of attention that the world pays to activists (during major events versus otherwise) than it does to the level of commitment of activists to causes.

Seriously, this guy been around a while. Your ignorance is not evidence that he's a mere opportunistic attention-grabber.

Re:You know... (4, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678921)

Seriously, this guy been around a while. Your ignorance is not evidence that he's a mere opportunistic attention-grabber.

Feel free to convince me otherwise. The Wikipedia page linked here certainly makes him sound like an opportunistic attention-grabber. As I said, I have all the respect in the world for serious activists on this front, but this guy sounds like a self-promoting jackass who assumes (correctly, probably) that his white skin and US passport are Get Out Of Jail Free cards.

Re:You know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24679041)

As I said, I have all the respect in the world for serious activists on this front

OK, without looking it up the internet name a few activists you consider serious.

Re:You know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24679485)

Wow, way to make an assumption regarding someone regarding their skin color and nationality.

Isn't that generally called racism in most parts of the civilised world?

Good job!

Re:You know... (2, Funny)

db32 (862117) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679051)

American Indians?! Fuck them, what about the turkeys! Turkey Genocide Day and you are worried about American Indians (They are Native Americans by the way, they never were and never will be Indians. Indians are from India).

Re:You know... (2, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679383)

There is little point in complaining that one European word does not properly describe them, and then insisting that another European word be used instead.

Re:You know... (2, Insightful)

ksd1337 (1029386) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679133)

It reminds me of all those goofs who are so indignantly outraged every Thanksgiving, but never lift a finger to help American Indians on the other 364 days a year. Or even on Thanksgiving, for that matter.

I'm not offended (I'm Indian myself), nor am I one of those ultra-politically correct, don't-want-to-offend-anyone types of people, but it would be more accurate to say Native American instead of American Indian. American Indian can also refer to people of Indian descent who were born in the US, and that can get a bit confusing for people who don't know US history.

Re:You know... (3, Insightful)

Sir_Real (179104) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679325)

Yes those do-nothing loudmouth liberal hiptards should just die in a fire. It's almost like they're doing nothing at all... what with all that thinking about this stuff.... and talking about it...

Since when did communication become a stoning offense? Bringing ideas to the fore without some kind of action attached to it isn't a crime.

And regarding those loudmouths who talk about the Native Americans on Thanksgiving, they are doing something. They are doing more than you sound like you're doing (which is simply whining about people who talk about what they feel strongly about).

Enjoy yourself a nice tall cup of STFU. On the house. With my compliments. You seem to be serving enough of it. Perhaps now would be a good time to have a drink yourself.

Wake up (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679423)

Then you've been sleeping with your head up your ass. They've been around a lot longer than the time since China was awarded the Olympics.

So many ways to make a point (-1, Flamebait)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678655)

The issue of Tibet and Chinese imperialism is well-known and is never out of the public eye.

However, making a spectacle of yourself in a venue designed to showcase the absolute best of the best athletes in the world, when your total contribution to their preparation is all but zero, seems to be an act of hubris and self-absorption. Even if what you are doing is ostensibly for the benefit of someone else.

The Olympics aren't about you, and they aren't about your pet issue. There are plenty of other venues to air these protests. Disrespecting the athletes by marring the games with these protests is no better than what happened in Munich in 1972.

Re:So many ways to make a point (5, Funny)

Steauengeglase (512315) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678959)

Disrespecting the athletes by marring the games with these protests is no better than what happened in Munich in 1972.

His laser wasn't that powerful.

Re:So many ways to make a point (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24679013)

I like to think that going over and killing twelve people is slightly worse than mildly pissing a few people off with an unsolicited light show, but then i'm a bit weird like that.

Re:So many ways to make a point (0, Offtopic)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679075)

I like to think that banning DDT and ending up dooming millions of Africans to death by malaria is a bit worse than having to wash a few apples before eating. Unintended consequences are typically worse than anyone usually expects.

Certainly you can't say there is a net positive outcome from this protest.

Re:So many ways to make a point (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679461)

As an arrogant jackass with a limited degree of self awareness, I am always dismayed by the arrogant jackasses in the news. It boggles the mind that they are more arrogant, bigger jackasses and less self aware than I am.

Well then (2, Informative)

prelelat (201821) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678657)

I'm sure he knew what might happen when he decided to protest in China about Tibet. I commend him for that, it might get some attention to people around the world to his cause. I think he either had to have had some seriouse balls or have been a little nieve to think of what would happen if he was detained by athorities. I don't think hes a dumb man he knew what he was doing and he knew what would probably happen.

Hopefully they just ship him home after a couple days or weeks and this doesn't get too ugly for him.

On another note "I know hippies. I've hated them all my life. I've kept this town free of hippies on my own since I was five and a half. But I can't contain them on my own anymore. We have to do something, fast!" hehe China is Cartman

Re:Well then (1)

Wiarumas (919682) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678975)

I bet he thought of the consequences, but I bet he also thought he would get away with it. Whatever he was thinking, I'm sure he is hoping that this isn't overshadowed by the Olympics and that he doesn't fade away after the show is over.

Re:Well then (1)

Ravon Rodriguez (1074038) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679329)

Right, he thought he would get away with it because he was an American, and he probably will get away with it just for that reason. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want anything bad to happen to him, but it really was a boneheaded move.

Re:Well then (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679337)

I'm sure he knew what might happen when he decided to protest in China about Tibet.

No, I don't think so. I think he thought it would be like the U.S. where he might get a ride to the police station, a ticket, and a fine. That, or he is thinking that the U.S. will come to his aid like it did that idiot in Singapore.

Personally, I hope they toss his ass in prison for a few years so he learns to appreciate his freedom here in the U.S.

What is a L.A.S.E.R Stencil?? (1)

stainlesssteelpat (905359) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678817)

I've seen a fair share of stencil art around the traps, but would somebody illuminate me on what a L.A.S.E.R stencil is, please. Does it have anything to do with sharks?

Re:What is a L.A.S.E.R Stencil?? (1)

stainlesssteelpat (905359) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678839)

That said, I hope this guy turns up again. Some of his art sounds really cool.

Re:What is a L.A.S.E.R Stencil?? (1)

stainlesssteelpat (905359) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679099)

The work, "The Green Chinese Lantern," uses a 400 milliwatt handheld green laser with micro-stencils to beam simple messages and images up to three stories high on surfaces such as billboards, buildings, and bridges. The Laser Stencil technology was developed in conjunction with Students for a Free Tibet.

Thats sounds really neat I want one.

Re:What is a L.A.S.E.R Stencil?? (4, Informative)

againjj (1132651) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679125)

From TFA:

The work, "The Green Chinese Lantern," uses a 400 milliwatt handheld green laser with micro-stencils to beam simple messages and images up to three stories high on surfaces such as billboards, buildings, and bridges. The Laser Stencil technology was developed in conjunction with Students for a Free Tibet.

[...] For more information and high-resolution photos of the work, please visit http://graffitiresearchlab.com/?p=161 [graffitiresearchlab.com]

Re:What is a L.A.S.E.R Stencil?? (1)

JynXed (711029) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679305)

http://graffitiresearchlab.com/ [graffitiresearchlab.com] see second picture for l.a.s.e.r stencil

All things being considered... (1)

rebewt (588158) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678833)

He is still having a better day than this guy [teamusa.org] .

Is this a surprise? (4, Insightful)

ucblockhead (63650) | more than 6 years ago | (#24678859)

Going to foreign countries run by totalitarian governments to protest is a bit on the unwise side regardless of how just the cause.

This guy agrees with you (1, Troll)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679289)

And he wasn't even protesting. [freesklyarov.org]

Re:This guy agrees with you (1)

DaveV1.0 (203135) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679551)

Yeah, he wasn't protesting. He was accused of a crime, arrested, charged, released, and allowed to leave the country to return back to Russian.

And, you kind of left off that he was tried and found not guilt. [cnet.com]

Now, please, STFU.

Confucius say (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679015)

Confucius say "It will take many many throwies to enlighten all of China."

Remember James.... (0, Troll)

Itninja (937614) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679057)

At least all the Chinese prisons serve Chinese food (or as the Chinese call it, "food").

Re:Remember James.... (1)

cfulmer (3166) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679319)

Are you sure about that? I suspect that a number of them don't serve anything.

Thank you China (0, Troll)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679103)

We should send more of our hippies and crackpots there to be detained. We have completely failed to deal with them here due to these silly laws we have.

Your rights online (4, Interesting)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679161)

What does this have to do with my online rights? Shouldn't this be filed under politics?

Would It Be Wrong To Admit ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24679165)

... that I beat the crap out of a guy in school every day who looked very much like the "Censorship" graphic icon? A swirly would have been the mildest punishment I doled out to this poor schmuck. I hope his old man owned stock in Optical Clinic because I broke his glasses at least once a week too.

Was the inventor? (1)

DirtySouthAfrican (984664) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679323)

That's sort of fatalist, isn't it? I'm sure he'll be released in good time.

qsh1t (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24679343)

Tibet rant, this needs to be said... (4, Insightful)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679375)

Tibet has been part of China since 1792. Yes, for over two freaking centuries! You might not like it, but tough shit. And guess what, if a bunch of Chinese students came to the US and flung banners around Stanford demanding we give California back to Mexico, we'd probably tell them to get their butts back to China and mind their own business. Heck, we'd probably even detain a couple of them.

Free Tibet? (1)

Rick Richardson (87058) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679381)

Should be in Chinese, not English!!!

Well... (1)

chiefloko (450100) | more than 6 years ago | (#24679481)

He never learned the 11th commandment.
"Don't Get Caught."

Also it is always good to talk about what you are going to do...

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