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sure... (4, Funny)

Nossie (753694) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723143)

Just like it is helping to curb e-mail spam ....

Self Despamming (2, Funny)

Nymz (905908) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723257)

Isn't hauling spammers into court a little extreme? To avoid criticism they should try a more gentle approach, like a self-despamming program that would give spammers 90 days to stop, instead of clogging up our courthouses like they clog up our inboxes. We could call it "Operation Scheduled Despamming" after the very successful "Operation Scheduled Departure" [washingtontimes.com] which to date has already been successful in 8 cases.

Re:Self Despamming (1, Funny)

Nossie (753694) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723315)

Maybe the courts are a little extreme ....

Personally I'd just take them outside and make them hand open the same amount of envelopes as they spammed ...

And if they fail - shoot them.

Re:Self Despamming (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24723403)

"And if they fail - shoot them."

I've always said and open season on spammers would help cull them from the population...

and maybe give the sociopaths who otherwise might murder wives or children something to keep their darker side happy! finding and shooting in cold blood someone who is getting rich off annoying the majority of the free world.

ah well. at the very least we need to provide free vasectomies to male spammers, and if they're women, well that surgery is more complicated and in some cases it even fails... well, we can always force them to wrestle in mud or jello several times a year as long as they're involved in commercial spam to discourage those who don't like wrestling in jello or mud!

ahem. i think i'll go anon on this one.

Re:Self Despamming (2, Funny)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723529)

finding and shooting in cold blood someone who is getting rich off annoying the majority of the free world.

Except the phrase "in cold blood" denotes innocence on the part of the shootee. Spammers are not innocent; they cause worse problems than mere annoyance. Otherwise, I tend to agree that spammers should be shot.

Re:Self Despamming (1, Funny)

Schemat1c (464768) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723767)

Speaking of spam, there seems to be a flood of moderator spam tagging everyone as troll today, I sure would like to take them to court.

Self De-Trolling Moderators (2, Funny)

Nymz (905908) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723851)

Speaking of spam, there seems to be a flood of moderator spam tagging everyone as troll today, I sure would like to take them to court.

Isn't hauling abusive Moderators into court a little extreme? To avoid criticism they should.... oh, I see what you did there. ;-)

Re:Self Despamming (1, Insightful)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723881)

I've noticed that as well -- /. is becoming a troll haven, to the point where it seems there are always trolls with mod points now. Lots of astroturfers and wannabee geeks with no knowledge just pissing in the pool. But I must admit, it has freed up a bit of time for me, as the discussions have become less and less compelling.

Re:Self Despamming (2, Insightful)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 5 years ago | (#24724297)

Who would want to Mod?

I can't remember the last time I used a mod point. all I ever get is "You've already posted something in this discussion."

Re:Self Despamming (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 5 years ago | (#24728907)

See? I tell the truth, and get modded "troll". You post that (no offense) nonsense and get modded "insightful". The /. community has become seriously polluted. I rest my case.

Re:Self Despamming (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 5 years ago | (#24730723)

The difference is that you upset a mod.

The system is corrupt, just like most of life.

Re:Self Despamming (1)

clang_jangle (975789) | more than 5 years ago | (#24732007)

Yes, that's +1 insightful.
:)
It all evens out in the end...

Re:Self Despamming (1)

Erie Ed (1254426) | more than 5 years ago | (#24734001)

Naw that is just the way of the internet. If you want to see some serious trolls go take a look on the world of warcraft boards. I bet it's probably the most hostile forum on the internet (given all the keyloggers, spam, and general trolls it contains).

Re:Self Despamming (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 5 years ago | (#24724287)

Meta modding is supposed to fix that.

I mark all +1 as Fair and all -1 as Unfair.

I have NEVER seen a -1 flame bait or -1 troll that was fair EVER.

Re:Self Despamming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24730055)

You need to look harder.

Re:Self Despamming (2, Interesting)

Andrzej Sawicki (921100) | more than 5 years ago | (#24724431)

Good thing nobody mentioned Scientology, or the whole discussion would be marked troll.

Re:Self Despamming (1)

shawb (16347) | more than 5 years ago | (#24732249)

Well, then YOU try to find any warm blooded spammers.

Re:Self Despamming (1)

WhiteHorse-The Origi (1147665) | more than 5 years ago | (#24736459)

Who cares? Facebook sucks anyway and is for teens with hormone problems anyway. I say let the spammers sell their penis enlargements to their biggest potential market...

Re:sure... (0, Troll)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723455)

Spam. The other way to drive click-fraud...

Re:sure... (1)

Dan541 (1032000) | more than 5 years ago | (#24724269)

email spam?

Just setup spam assassin and be done with it.

Seems to me if we can fight email spam we should be able to fight ANY type of spam.

Re:sure... (1)

WhiteHorse-The Origi (1147665) | more than 5 years ago | (#24736431)

I dunno, I use gmail and get no spam. I've abandoned my yahoo account which gets hundreds every day.

ok how about... (1, Troll)

Mushukyou (739593) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723169)

...Craigslist and Hot or Not next? You know, women never get these fake ads, but men do all the time. I told a couple of women about the fake ads we get, and they say they get nothing. I guess only men are stupid?

Re:ok how about... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24723263)

scams targeting women are more accepted as normal. ie... all the ads saying a woman needs this or that product for great skin, hair, ect... every womans magazine and beauty product uses the same tactic to sell crap to women. 'you need this or you're an ugly fat cow'. Its not even thought about as anything but normal.

that crap doesnt work on men. but the ones that play on their desperation to get laid work real well.

Women have their vanity targeted. Men have their hormones targeted.

One is accepted. One isnt.

Re:ok how about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24725739)

that crap doesnt work on men.

Actually, as I learned in a sociology class taught by the head of the department at Virginia Tech a few years back, these tactics are increasingly becoming effective on men.

They've already broken women. They're working on men's self-esteem now.

Re:ok how about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24726085)

Women have their vanity targeted. Men have their hormones targeted.

I don't get the distinction. Both men and women need to be attractive to the opposite sex, if they're heterosexual. Hormones, vanity, infatuation, fear... it's all in the mix.

Men are targeted by the bodybuilding supplements industry, and also by products treating erectile function disorder and hair loss, and promoting penile enlargement.

Re:ok how about... (1)

dkf (304284) | more than 5 years ago | (#24726581)

Men are targeted by [...] products treating erectile function disorder and hair loss, and promoting penile enlargement.

The spammers seem to have those things covered already.

Re:ok how about... (1)

wattrlz (1162603) | more than 5 years ago | (#24737879)

From what I've observed the distinction is most women want to be pretty for the sake of being pretty whereas most guys want to be sexy so they can have sex.

Re:ok how about... (2, Interesting)

Superdarion (1286310) | more than 5 years ago | (#24726871)

Then you could go as far as saying that TV spams your vision with Cars, medicines, insurance, cellphones, ISPs, etc, adds, which is certainly true.

This issue has nothing to do with man/women differences nor the target audience. The difference between spam and "regular" adds is that spam kicks into your personal communication ways, like your e-mail and even your regular mail, without you wanting it there and for no particular reason.

Of course you can ask why there are so many penis enlargement spam mails on your Inbox (at some point I was beginning to think that someone thought MY penis was too short...), and that probably has more to do with a "socio-economical study" of the people who are willing to click on just about any link. I mean those kids that spend their whole life on the computer gaming or just doing nothing in cyber-particular. They're usually male, aren't they? Aren't we?

Another difference is the fact that on TV or magazines or whatever mass-communication device, it's the company that runs the device the one that includes the adds. In spam, you have hotmail working it's ass off to give you (or try...) a decent service and then you have those who take advantage of it and, well... spam.

Re:ok how about... (1)

Aerynvala (1109505) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723743)

No, we get them too, or at least I do. 'Sexy' men apparently want to be my friend a lot. But I just break their hearts. ;) That's just in the social networking/media sites (last.fm, imeem, myspace, etc), but never LiveJournal or any of the clones.

Announcing Jailspace (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24723173)

Are you a criminal? Now you can join the social network just for criminals, Jailspace! It's never been easier to meet other sexual predators pretending to be underage girls, or conspire to commit fraud with our incredibly easy networking features.

Working (4, Interesting)

dasheiff (261577) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723183)

Actually, my spam on myspace has dropped to nill for the past few months. It used to be everytime I logged in there was 3-4 hot girls that wanted to be my friend which was of course just an advertisement for a pay site. I always marked them as spam (sometimes their account had already been removed by the time I got out to clearing up my friends request). I doubt that it's these lawsuits but they definally did something (probally limiting the amount of new friend requests you can make on a new account per day or something) that did the trick.

Re:Working (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24723301)

Why would you [i]admit[/i] to even having a MySpace account??? Good grief!

Re:Working (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24723663)

It used to be everytime I logged in there was 3-4 hot girls that wanted to be my friend which was of course just an advertisement for a pay site.

No matter what, bringing these people to court isn't going to do anything. Spammers may be more cautious about getting caught, but just as how people will always speed no matter how many cops are on the road, The Internet is and always will be for Porn.

Re:Working (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24724039)

Just turn on the captcha and they all go away.

Re:Working (1)

Vlad_Drak (20809) | more than 5 years ago | (#24724905)

wget -O - msplinks.com

Re:Working (1)

strjms72 (1343893) | more than 5 years ago | (#24734943)

I don't understand why are people so bothered by this ?! Jesus, just click the "not accept" button and that's that. You are wasting your time anyway on that site, basically just doing nothing. Does this really take up from you precious time, 3 seconds to deny unwanted friends?

Re:Working (1)

wattrlz (1162603) | more than 5 years ago | (#24737941)

Yeah, but how would you feel if every time you go to the site you see a couple dozen friend requests only to be, in several seconds time, re-informed that nobody wants to be your friend, they just want to take your money. A minute, twelve seconds, and all that hope wasted...

Re:Working (1)

strjms72 (1343893) | more than 5 years ago | (#24762239)

This can happen in real life too.... How many friends you actually have? And it's really a bit sad if you are hoping to make real good friend on myspace or whatever...

Re:Working (1)

wattrlz (1162603) | more than 5 years ago | (#24766803)

I don't actually have any friends, you insensitive clod! Seriously, though what's so bad about looking for friends online? Not that empirical evidence is worth anything, but I have met a few nice people on the sites in question and lightning might strike twice.

Re:Working (1)

vuffi_raa (1089583) | more than 5 years ago | (#24738037)

Actually, my spam on myspace has dropped to nill for the past few months. It used to be everytime I logged in there was 3-4 hot girls that wanted to be my friend which was of course just an advertisement for a pay site

I still get about 2-3 a day, I mark them as spam as well- maybe it is number of friends (more paths to search) or something, don't know

What about their users (1, Interesting)

narcberry (1328009) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723203)

Oft companies make some pretty dumb decisions. Sure this may stop a couple of spam messages out of the probable millions.

What about their users? How comfortable will this make them when they know they are visiting a site that legally prosecutes people acting within their right?

I don't think this will be a revenue generator.

Re:What about their users (2, Informative)

Risen888 (306092) | more than 5 years ago | (#24727423)

They're not within their rights. See the "user conduct" section of the Facebook terms of use.

What are people using to dodge spam? (5, Informative)

$pace6host (865145) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723231)

I've been a long time user and proponent of sneakemail.com, I love the "whitelist" approach for filtering out SPAM, I love knowing who leaked or shared my address, and I love that I can turn them off if they start sending me junk I don't want. I also like that it forwards to my main email address.

Unfortunately, sneakemail has recently been getting blocked by more and more sites.

GishPuppy looks similar (and maybe even easier to use). Is anyone using it, or another, similar service?

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

cathector (972646) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723349)

i too have used sneakemail regularly for years; it's great.

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (2, Informative)

maztuhblastah (745586) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723665)

I use NearlyFreeSpeech.net's e-mail forwarding. For 2 pennies per day, they forward any mail received at my domain. I've got both specific mappings (box1@example.com forwards to something) and blanket mappings (anything sent to a box without a specific mapping is sent to my address.) When I need to give out an address, I simply make one up. If that address starts getting spam, I simply blackhole it (i.e. I map it to discard@nearlyfreespeech.net). Simple, effective, and cheap.

Yes, I know I _could_ run my own MTA -- but I'm willing to pay a couple bucks a year to get something that "just works." That, and their privacy policy is pretty kick-ass.

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723983)

I've been using GishPuppy [gishpuppy.com] for a while, though it's sometimes down and doesn't forward as instantly as I like. Its simple interface for creating new addresses and expiring current ones is the best aspect for me. I've used Spam Gourmet [spamgourmet.com] a few times and it looks promising. It has several interesting features that I have yet to master.

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

$pace6host (865145) | more than 5 years ago | (#24729255)

You're the second person who commented that GishPuppy is down/slow. That sounds like a pretty fixable problem, maybe they'll improve. Their interface looks nice, better than sneakemail's, and I imagine that since they're newer, they haven't been blocked / banned by as many sites yet. I wish either one (or both!) of them would allow you to make them a mail handler for your personal domain. That way, I could have their service, but using my own unique domain name that I register myself. I'd be willing to chip in another $1/month for that (that's 50% more than I pay now!)

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 5 years ago | (#24732555)

Oh, I only use those services to provide disposable e-mail addresses that forward to my main one. I don't know whether they even have any spam filtering.

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

Mushukyou (739593) | more than 5 years ago | (#24724643)

I want to thank you for the sneakemail knowledge. I've just become a fan. I signed up, checked it out, and paid for a 6 month plan. I went and changed a few sites I have emails with just to check it out. I must say, though, that having Gmail really cuts down on your spam, even without sneakemail.

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

tilde_e (943106) | more than 5 years ago | (#24724747)

Gmail also supports user+whatever@gmail.com. While your email address user@gmail.com could be derived from this, most automated systems wont do that, allowing you to create an account per vendor and write rules for each.

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

martyros (588782) | more than 5 years ago | (#24725225)

The thing that's different with Facebook / MySpace spam is that often, they're definitely stealing someone's password to post stuff as them. That is (or should be) squarely in the realm of "breaking into a computer system". Since there is massive evidence of repeated criminal behavior (one for each account they break) and they leave behind a money trail (where does the money for the adwords on xxx.blogspot.com go?), it should be possible to bring a criminal case, have them extradited, and throw them in federal prison.

Someone creating their own account and posting spam is one thing (although as the article points out, even that is covered by the TOS). But someone breaking into someone else's account is a completely different thing.

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

armareum (925270) | more than 5 years ago | (#24725771)

At least Facebook allow you to have a long password. Myspace have an arbitrary limit, for some reason I can't fathom.

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

yuna49 (905461) | more than 5 years ago | (#24726935)

The thing that's different with Facebook / MySpace spam is that often, they're definitely stealing someone's password to post stuff as them. That is (or should be) squarely in the realm of "breaking into a computer system".

Whether violations of a site's terms of service should be considered actionable under the terms of the Federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Acts is now being litigated in the Justice Department's suit against Lori Drew [wired.com] . Many civil libertarians like myself oppose this suit because it looks like overreaching on the part of the Justice Department. If the Drew prosecution is successful, it puts the power of Federal law behind the private terms of service between an online provider and its members.

Stealing passwords might be more plausibly criminalized, but how would you handle someone like Drew who set up bogus MySpace accounts to harass as young girl? What if she used those accounts to send spam instead?

Sorry, but I think the Federal government has its nose in too much of our lives already, and I'm not willing to say that whatever onerous terms of service some website operator comes up with deserves the protection of Federal statutes.

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

martyros (588782) | more than 5 years ago | (#24731021)

I don't think one needs to be a civil libertarian to see "collateral damage" all over the argument in the Lori Drew case. TOS are a simple contract, and the last thing we need is for people to be jailed for violating a (typically) over-zealous contract that nobody reads.

The article talks about Facebook & Myspace suing in civil court spammers who violate the TOS, purely as a breach of contract. No extension there. It's probably a good idea for them to do this, but the fact is that those kinds of spammers don't really affect my Facebook use much -- I have a threshold of friending someone that's more than "random person I have no connection with who asked to be my friend".

But spammers who break into a legitimate user's account to post stuff on their friends' walls -- that just makes me angry. And it is (or should be) 100% criminal, without needing to change or extend any laws.

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

StormReaver (59959) | more than 5 years ago | (#24725613)

I run my own email server off of my DSL, and do something similar to this. I have a private email address which never gets revealed, and a separate email address for everyone who needs to contact me. All of those email aliases get forwarded to my private address. If I start getting spam on one of the aliases, I know who it came from, and I can shut down the alias. My spam has dropped by 99.9999%, with the remaining .0001% being from an old public address which I don't want to change yet.

My email server registers many daily attempts to deliver mail to disabled aliases, but obviously they all get rejected.

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

$pace6host (865145) | more than 5 years ago | (#24729203)

This is just about what sneakemail does for me. I've been avoiding setting up my own mailserver for a couple of reasons... 1, I'm pretty sure it's against my TOS, so I'd need to upgrade service (they might even block 25); 2, the limited amount of interaction I've had with postfix has convinced me that mail servers need a considerable amount of thought and attention, that I haven't been willing to invest; and 3, I've been concerned about security.

How hard has this been for you to set up / maintain? I could set up a server on my brother's network to handle my email (no TOS issues over there). Of course, sneakemail is $2/month (I use the pay service), so I might never feel motivated enough to go through all the hassle, except that I've had 3 sites in the last few months reject email addresses from the sneakemail.com domain.

Re:What are people using to dodge spam? (1)

AncientPC (951874) | more than 5 years ago | (#24740605)

I use SpamGourmet [spamgourmet.com] for a few years now. You can e-mails that auto-expire after x amount of e-mails and/or add trusted domains that don't toggle the e-mail count.

Chilling effect (4, Funny)

Albanach (527650) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723297)

Well action in the courts has stopped everyone sharing music, so this is clearly a strategy with a great deal of merit.

This happens constantly on the Facebook wall. (1)

NoPantsJim (1149003) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723337)

At least once a week I get a message on my wall from a friend that reads something like "Oh man you have to check out these awesome ringtones, they have all your favorites at (some random address).blogspot.com!!!!"

My policy is that if you're dumb enough to get your facebook hacked by a spammer, you don't get to be my friend anymore (online or in reality).

Re:This happens constantly on the Facebook wall. (2, Interesting)

D-Cypell (446534) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723377)

Thats interesting.

I have not seen this kind of thing yet (I guess I have smart friends ;o)). Are you saying that these people actually have their username/password compromised or is there some kind of facebook app that when installed can initiate this kind of activity?

Re:This happens constantly on the Facebook wall. (1)

NoPantsJim (1149003) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723501)

I'm almost certain it's a matter of compromised passwords. Whenever I get it, I would check the person's profile for new apps before I remove them from my list. I've seen it on many other people's walls as well.

Interestingly enough, almost 75% of the cases I've seen on other people's walls, it's from whatever popular sports star happens to be the big man on campus at the time. I suspect they make for easy targets as they usually have many, many facebook friends.

Re:This happens constantly on the Facebook wall. (0, Troll)

wmbetts (1306001) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723533)

It is Scott is a pos that was compromising peoples accounts. His excuse was "It's not me it's my affiliates" and it's a load of shit. I guess it's true in a sense as it wasn't him directly, but he fucking knew about it and didn't give a shit. Fuck him and his "company" media breakway, dynamic dolphin, etc.

Re:This happens constantly on the Facebook wall. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24723381)

my policy is to not get advice for slashdot users

Re:This happens constantly on the Facebook wall. (1)

ilovesymbian (1341639) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723549)

I replied to the Nigerian spammer on my Facebook Wall and won $1 million. HOORAY!!!

Re:This happens constantly on the Facebook wall. (2, Interesting)

edalytical (671270) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723625)

Maybe instead of retribution for your friends stupidity you should try educating them.

I've only received a few of these wall post spams on Facebook, then again I only allow a select few to be my friends.

Anyone have a link that describes how a Facebook account get compromised in easy to understand terms? You know something we can pass on to our less technologically inclined friends should this happen to them.

Re:This happens constantly on the Facebook wall. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24747095)

http://www.fanebook.com/ [fanebook.com]

Re:This happens constantly on the Facebook wall. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24747283)

Incase you don't notice, the above is a typo-squatting l/p harvester.

Re:This happens constantly on the Facebook wall. (1)

Risen888 (306092) | more than 5 years ago | (#24727451)

Really? Not me. I occasionally have to delete some spammy crap on groups I admin from sockpuppet accounts, but never on my wall and never from a friend, and I've been a pretty active Facebook member since early on.

Just wasting time.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24723393)

If you're on myspace or facebook, you're just wasting time anyway. Maybe some of the spam will enhance your existence? Embrace it.

ATTENTION SHOPPERS! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24723417)

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The Price of Working with Microsoft (3, Interesting)

ThinkComp (514335) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723519)

When I suggested to Mark in 2004 that he make Facebook the largest spam-free e-mail system in the world by continuing to require user authentication, he said that he didn't want to compete with Microsoft. I didn't know at the time that Microsoft would become a large investor. It seems now that for Facebook, Inc., taking that investment has come at a price, which may be minuscule by comparison in monetary terms, but is still real. We're still desperately in need of a reliable messaging system that works, which I think probably means that it needs to be closed.

Aaron

Authoritas: One Student's Harvard Admissions and the Founding of the Facebook Era [aarongreenspan.com]

Re:The Price of Working with Microsoft (1)

Conficio (832978) | more than 5 years ago | (#24739935)

Aaron,

the "reliable messaging system that works" exists and does not need to be closed.

It is called signed e-mail (PGP) and allows every recipient to filter on PGP signature [brondsema.net] , with the knowledge that the author can't falsify himself. New authors are assigned their trust by the signature chain that signed their signature (if I trust someone in their, I'm willing to read the e-mail).

But the powers to be don't want a system that is controlled by the end-users and not by the intermediates called mail servers and their spam filters.

And by the way it does not need to be closed, nor does it need to be commercial (self signed certificates are just fine, as they need to be countersigned by others.). The main obstacle is packaging it into a user interface that everybody can understand.

Scott Richter is a dbag (0, Troll)

wmbetts (1306001) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723521)

Take it from someone that knows. Everyone that has ever had any dealings with Scott knows what a pos he is.

Re:Scott Richter is a dbag (0, Offtopic)

wmbetts (1306001) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723703)

You can call me a troll all you want, but you don't know him.

Whopping on the ass (1)

ilovesymbian (1341639) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723537)

Maybe a good old-fashioned whopping on the asses of the spammers who sit on them would do wonders... instead of wasting valuable court time.

Re:Whopping on the ass (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 5 years ago | (#24724651)

What is the point of even having a mafia if they don't assasinate spammers?

I have been suing spammers (5, Insightful)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723639)

I have been suing spammers for a few years. Actually I sued the companies that were advertised the spammers, and paid the spammers. Some companies that have been sued have taken steps to terminate the 'affiliates' that were sending the spam.

Lately, it seems less effective. But, if more people started suing spammers, and the companies that hire them, that violate the law it dry up the marketplace for spammers.

One company, Deniro Marketing who runs amateurmatch.com, went as far as lying to the Court and then having the Wayback Machine delete any traces of the evidence when called on it.

Another company, I sued 3 times and obtained 3 default judgments, collected over $200k on the first two. Of course they claim that even though I seized money from the accounts, they didn't know anything about the lawsuits. Another person I know collected over $100k from them. Recently, in the last suit, the Defendants were able to vacate the judgment and be permitted to file an answer. I have seized several of their domain names to prevent them from selling them. Defendants counsel have been lying through their teeth and playing games -- but what can you expect from a spammer's lawyer.

I'll have to start putting up the details of this lawsuit. But I have details of the others on my web site.

--
http://www.barbieslapp.com/spam [barbieslapp.com]
So many spammers to sue, so little time.

Re:I have been suing spammers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24724171)

Bill, the lying scumbags you're talking about wouldn't be E360 Insight would it?

David Linhardt is indeed a spamming witless lying shit-bag and no doubt the result of dubious parentage and decades of ancestral inbreeding.

I have personally been the recipient of some of E360 turdletts in the past. I guess I could've gone the lawsuit path, however my approach was not without its cathartic merits:

http://directmag.com/magilla/hacker-e-mail-magilla-061207/

;-)

Good luck Bill!

-- "X"

Referring to John DuWors and his clients (1)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 5 years ago | (#24724343)

I was referring to Attorney John DuWors. He represented Virtumundo in Gordon v. Virtumundo and is representing AXS Charge, Dev8 Entertainment, Liquid Minds, Techie Group, East Group, and Datline Ideas Limited. They run porn web sites, including asstraffic.com. He has lied through his teeth to the Court and playing games.

DuWors bragged about taking Jim Gordon's house.

Re:I have been suing spammers (2, Insightful)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 5 years ago | (#24725165)

How did they get the wayback machine modified? Is there some kind of exclusion form you can use?

Two kinds of exclusion. (1)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 5 years ago | (#24726423)

The Wayback Machine respects the Robots.txt exclusion standard, as most robots will. Additionally, if the site owner asks, they will remove the site from the Wayback machine.

Re:I have been suing spammers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24731753)

Nice plug....seems like a worthless rant of you patting yourself on the back and talking about your so called victories

Glad you like it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24732225)

Glad you like it spammer.

THESE PEOPLE NEVER LEARN! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24723673)

Spammers should get the death penalty!

http://fakesteveballmer.blogspot.com

I hope they nail them to the wall (5, Insightful)

Neuropol (665537) | more than 5 years ago | (#24723947)

I'm willing to go as far as to say that I bet 90% of the spam that ends up in the inboxes at social network sites is more than likely a phishing endeavor designed to steal some thing from you. Albeit your money, time, or sensitive personal information.

No one can sanely make the comparison between junk paper mail and spam emails any more. Junk paper mail was never primarily designed to steal any thing from you and is generally benign in nature. It's just advertising.

On the other hand, spam emails have been the motivation of criminally minded individuals for the last 10 plus years. Due to the light handed approach to penalizing these con artists, they've been allowed to take it to any extreme they see fit.

I rank these guys in the same category as domain squatters.

Hang 'em high, judges.

Re:I hope they nail them to the wall (1)

cdrguru (88047) | more than 5 years ago | (#24728103)

I would offer that to many people on Slashdot the difference between advertising and something designed to steal from you is indisguishable from zero.

Good Luck (1)

Borg Bucolic (1342221) | more than 5 years ago | (#24724135)

I am not sure this is going to be an effective strategy in the long run.

---

What I would like to see is an email server that uses temp email addresses. All outgoing mail sent to the postbox is readdressed to a temp email (server generated) The user can set the life of a temp email addresses to say 24 hrs. Return email is forwarded back to the home email address until the time expires and the email address disappears. Then there is no place for the spam to go. Trusted people could get the home email, everyone else gets the temp email address.

Perhaps there is something like this already.

Re:Good Luck (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24724381)

This reminds me of a somewhat similar concept used by American Express in the past. They used have a service where for online credit card transactions you could generate a one time use credit card number set for a specific amount of money. I thought it was brilliant, especially when dealing with a website that you are unfamiliar with. Sadly they got rid it though.

Re:Good Luck (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 5 years ago | (#24724547)

Won't work. First, some people actually want to receive mail from people they do not know yet. Second, as soon as one of your friend's Windoze PC gets compromised and it sends junk to everyone in its address book, you get on the spam lists too.

no defense (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24725341)

i find it greatly amusing that all the self-styled experts we have out there cannot do even basic things such as suppressing spam and virus codes, or even using digital signatures to insure that traffic is not tamper with by man in the middle attacks using DNS poison

the first aspects of a proper communication system are security, integrity, and authentication.

these requirements have been within easy reach since the development of public key encryption. which leaves us to wonder who's running the internet anyway and who is really the client?

Pruning leaves? (1)

achacha (139424) | more than 5 years ago | (#24725557)

They should concentrate to bringing the companies employing the spammers to court, cut the problem at the root or close to it.

The only way to stop spam (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#24725785)

Is to punish the companies that do the advertisements, not the spammers.

Remove the money from spam, it will disappear overnight. ( except for the virus based ones of course )

Hmm.... (1)

ArIck (203) | more than 5 years ago | (#24726641)

RIAA/MPAA has been unable to deter honesst hard-working law abiding people to stop P2P by taking a few to court. What makes them think that those criminal spammers, who have links with the underground would be deterred by it!

yummmm (1)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 5 years ago | (#24727161)

I like my Spam chilled... no other way to have it..

Emacs for sorting RMAIL with SpamAssassin headers (1)

the zak (1350465) | more than 5 years ago | (#24728009)

How do you use Emacs to sort RMAIL email based on SpamAssassin headers?...
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