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Linux Not Supported For Democratic Convention Video

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the winning-strategy dept.

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bucketoftruth writes "If you browse to the Democratic Convention website and attempt to check out any of their upcoming streams, you bump into the following limitation: 'We're sorry, but the Democratic Convention video web site isn't compatible with your operating system and/or browser. Please try again on a computer with the following Compatible operating systems: Windows XP SP2, Windows Vista, or a Mac with Tiger (OS 10.4) or Leopard (OS 10.5). Compatible browsers: Internet Explorer (version 6 or later), Firefox (version 2), or, if you are on a Mac, Safari (version 3.1) also works.'"

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Doesn't matter to me (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744139)

I'm not going to the website anyway.

Most Linux users are going to write in Ralph Nader anyway right?

Re:Doesn't matter to me (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744173)

Quite possible, and the McCain camp is still trying to figure out what Linux is, and if it is a threat to national security.

Re:Doesn't matter to me (3, Funny)

AceofSpades19 (1107875) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744641)

No, I think the McCain camp is still trying to figure out how to turn a computer on, let alone the different operating systems

Re:Doesn't matter to me (1)

budgenator (254554) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744667)

Ron Paul dude, and Colin Powell for VeeP write it in dude, peace out

So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744153)

It says you have to install Silverlight to see it. Does silverlight for linux exist? If not, I think you've found your answer, captain conspiracy.

Re:So what? (3, Interesting)

drpimp (900837) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744245)

I have not used it, but for what it's worth. Moonlight [mono-project.com]

Re:So what? (5, Informative)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744271)

It says you have to install Silverlight to see it.

I hate to say it, but Flash has existed, and been a viable option, for long before Silverlight, and it's got a far greater install base. Why'd they choose Silverlight over Flash?

I'm sure there are valid reasons, I'd just like to hear them.

Does silverlight for linux exist?

Short answer: Yes [mono-project.com] .

Re:So what? (4, Insightful)

robot_love (1089921) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744447)

The "valid reason" is almost certainly that Microsoft paid them a lot of money.

Re:So what? (3, Insightful)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744489)

"I hate to say it, but Flash has existed, and been a viable option, for long before Silverlight, and it's got a far greater install base. Why'd they choose Silverlight over Flash?"

Contributions?

Re:So what? (4, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744565)

agreed. This is the exact same setup as the olympics. Gotta hand it to microsoft, when they lock people out from anything other than their own solution, they go all the way.

Re:So what? (3, Interesting)

jonnythan (79727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744671)

I'm no Microsoft fanboy or anything, but I've been pretty impressed with Silverlight.

I spent a lot of time watching live streaming Olympics video at NBCOlympics.com, and the Silverlight video feed and functionality was much, much better than I've ever seen from Flash. I'm not even sure if Flash can do live streaming video, especially at that high quality with any efficiency.

Obama hates linux! (4, Funny)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744159)

Vote McCain/Whoever 2008

Re:Obama hates linux! (4, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744241)

McCain hates Net Neutrality.

There really isn't a win here.

Flamebait? It's true! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744605)

Sheesh, we even had a story about McCain's tech platform [slashdot.org] (once he finally formulated one).

It specifically says that he believes in protecting children from porn and the RIAA's War on Sharing, but NOT 'prescriptive' legislation like Net Neutrality.

Re:Obama hates linux! (2, Interesting)

aarku (151823) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744429)

Probably not. [slashdot.org]

Re:Obama hates linux! (2, Funny)

eclectro (227083) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744477)

Vote McCain/Whoever 2008

The evil of two lessers?

Re:Obama hates linux! (4, Funny)

Daimanta (1140543) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744555)

Well, he is the bigger evil. The bigger and the better evil(I mean, he could be the devil's great-great-grandfather).

That's why he gets my vote. Because Obama is a lesser evil and I don't like to vote for lesser.

Slashdot them w/yer Linux systems (0)

sdhoigt (1095451) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744167)

Hit 'em. Hit 'em hard, boys and girls.

OS Related? (4, Insightful)

cefek (148764) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744175)

I don't get it. If they say they're compatible with Firefox - as in web browser - why does that browser need to run on a particular operating system? Since invention of flash video we are free from unnecessary plugins and related burden. Just enter address, and let it play.

But I guess politicians never opt for easy solutions.

Does flash do live streaming? (1)

Chuck Chunder (21021) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744221)

I imagine serving up youtube videos and live streams are somewhat different scenarios.

theora (4, Informative)

twitter (104583) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744569)

You should be able to do both with ogg theora. GNU/Linux has done streaming media well for ages. If you don't believe me contemplate the flexibility of MythTV front and back ends.

They are, at least bright enough to use Apache (Red Hat) [netcraft.com] .

Re:Does flash do live streaming? (1)

jaredmauch (633928) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744653)

I presume you mean like the Youtube sponsored debates that were streamed live?

It appears that the streaming is done via a large number of HTTP 206's (partial content) via fetching http://stream.qec6.dc2.qcn3.movenetworks.com/live/F3EAF776/src1/080825_CE2962/003E/F6119C81829E0D4DA13B069D48D1C247_0800006E97.qss over and over again. I guess the overhead of many many TCP streams vs doing some UDP streaming w/ client keepalives is a better way? Oh well, it's nice to know that most people are on recent TCP stacks.

Re:Does flash do live streaming? (3, Informative)

strags (209606) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744665)

Flash certainly can do live streaming. In fact, the APIs for streaming vs. on-demand are very similar.

Re:OS Related? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744233)

Since invention of flash video we are free from unnecessary plugins and related burden.

Right, because Flash is free software, so it works with every current OS and browser.

Re:OS Related? (1)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744243)

I don't get it. If they say they're compatible with Firefox - as in web browser - why does that browser need to run on a particular operating system? Since invention of flash video we are free from unnecessary plugins and related burden.

Can Flash do live streaming ?
I don't see any reason that it couldn't but then I never setup anything with Flash and figured there might at least be a sane reason they didn't go with the obvious solution.

Re:OS Related? (3, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744627)

Can Flash do live streaming ?

Yes. The video object is independent from the connection object which is independent from the streaming object. It's rather trivial to setup a live stream.

And in case you're wondering how I know that, I was mucking around with creating a Flash 7 video player last night. Does anyone know how to get MTASC to output uncompressed SWF files rather than compressed SWC files? (Not to be confused with the confusingly named SWC class libraries. Bleh.) Flash Studio has a nice option for that, but SWFMILL and MTASC don't seem to want to listen. :-/

Re:OS Related? (5, Funny)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744297)

Since invention of flash video we are free from unnecessary plugins

Plugins like, oh, I don't know, maybe, FLASH?!

Re:OS Related? (2, Informative)

pravuil (975319) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744355)

Sucky they would use silverlight. I'm watching it on the CNN live feed through Totem. Have to make sure you have the fluendo codecs or any other gstreamer derivative to watch them though but it works.

Re:OS Related? (0, Flamebait)

chiasmus1 (654565) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744369)

I bet Biden talked them into blocking Linux since it is the Open Source people who stand up to the RIAA.

No, Security Related (3, Interesting)

Nymz (905908) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744427)

The need for political parties to protect their content from hackers has been discussed on /. before [slashdot.org] and the Democrat and Republican national conventions have some similar, and some different, philosophies on handling information access and control.

"For virtual attendees, the Democrat convention site is providing a progressive web experience (high definition Silverlight video [demconvention.com] , Digital Rights Management [microsoft.com] ), while the Republican convention site is providing a more conservative web experience of..." - excerpt from August 21st Journal [slashdot.org]

Re:OS Related? (4, Funny)

setagllib (753300) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744557)

"Since invention of flash video we are free from unnecessary plugins"

*headexplodes*

Re:OS Related? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744683)

"Since the invention of flash video we are free from unnecessary plugins and related burden."

Hmm... Right. Ok.

Priorities (-1, Flamebait)

sakusha (441986) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744185)

Bravo Democrats.

I want the Democratic Party to spend its money defeating McCain.
I do not want the Democratic party wasting its money on a partisan Operating System war by supporting a fringe OS that has less than 1% share of the desktop.

Re:Priorities (3, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744223)

I do not want the Democratic party wasting its money on a partisan Operating System war by supporting a fringe OS that has less than 1% share of the desktop.

So you'd rather have them spend their money actively blocking it?

Re:Priorities (5, Insightful)

electroniceric (468976) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744575)

Let's be serious here - nobody's spending money to block anything. The DNC didn't build anything themselves, nor should they - they're a political party, not a software shop. They chose a vendor to build out and operate a video infrastructure for the convention, and that vendor happens to have built on Silverlight (that's where incentives and support from MS likely came in, not directly to the DNC). Why the vendor did that, I have no idea.

I'm a pretty big believer that these things should be built on open technologies, not the least of the reasons being that it's GOOD for political parties to have their content built upon and reused (that's much of what fuels political blogs). As such I'm a little miffed that they chose a vendor that didn't support open technologies, but my guess is that someone's list of questions didn't extend past "can you run it on a Mac" (thereby showing that they're not part of the old Windows-only generation, they're part of the new Mac generation). Given the size of the Linux market, I think the use of content question is much bigger than the runs-on-a-particular-OS question.

Re:Priorities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744661)

I do not want the Democratic party wasting its money on a partisan Operating System war by supporting a fringe OS that has less than 1% share of the desktop.

So you'd rather have them spend their money actively blocking it?

That would be Microsoft's money [zdnet.com] .

Re:Priorities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744251)

It costs less to just design a page for W3C spec. Validate once, and it'll probably work on any browser. Certainly saves time by not having to write code for stupid "Browser not supported" pages.

What video codec has a W3C spec? (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744471)

It costs less to just design a page for W3C spec.

There is no W3C spec for codecs to be used for live streaming video and audio. When W3C tried to specify that browsers SHOULD [ietf.org] decode Theora and Vorbis in an object element (HTML 4) or a video element (HTML 5), Nokia female-dogged [slashdot.org] .

Re:Priorities (4, Interesting)

Adambomb (118938) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744265)

I do not want the Democratic party wasting its money on a partisan Operating System war by supporting a fringe OS that has less than 1% share of the desktop.

Odd.

If it is compatible with the firefox 2 browser, then they have already spent the money on supporting a fringe OS. In fact, it would have taken them MORE effort to give error messages based on OS type as well as browser type like they have than to leave well enough alone.

So in effect, they wasted your money on a partisan operating system war by thinking theres even a difference between the two once its browser compatible. Malice or stupidity, it's still a waste of manpower as that stands right now.

Not exactly a platform (heh) breaking issue, but still rather ignorant of them.

Re:Priorities (-1, Troll)

Ticklemonster (736987) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744491)

Bravo Democrats.

I want the Democratic Party to spend its money defeating McCain. I do not want the Democratic party wasting its money on a partisan Operating System war by supporting a fringe OS that has less than 1% share of the desktop.

I call foul on this one! Why was this called a troll? That's an honest sentiment. Heck, I'm in the McCain camp AND USE LINUX, so I really don't have any reason to pull for sakusha, but honestly, Score:-1, Troll? Give me a break!

Re:Priorities (2, Informative)

DeathElk (883654) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744663)

Why was this called a troll?

Because if sakusha knows that Linux has approximately one percent desktop penetration, then he should also know that the cost of adopting and supporting Silverlight would be higher that other more open methods.

Re:Priorities (3, Insightful)

dpilot (134227) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744617)

I'd rather see them showing another form of commitment to open governance, by making sure their communications are in open and non-encumbered formats. Not to mention not aiding and abetting a convicted monopolist in continuing and extending their monopoly.

Who Cares??!!! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744189)

This might be considered a good thing. The conventions are nothing but a big ad for the parties. It's an outdated, useless vehicle in the age of cable news, Internet, blogs, etc.

Anyone considering watching these things have their minds made up, and are just joining a circle-jerk.

Re:Who Cares??!!! (2, Funny)

Naughty Bob (1004174) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744435)

Anyone considering watching these things have their minds made up, and are just joining a circle-jerk.

Ever joined a jerk-circle, Anonymous Coward?

Thought not.

They're fun, and stopping people from taking part is not cool.

NASA too (2, Informative)

mrslacker (1122161) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744195)

NASA's site is no better for NASA TV In fact, it streams just fine in Linux (assuming codecs, etc), _if_ you can get to the correct URL to stream.

Re:NASA too (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744301)

Yeah, nothing to see here, there are heaps of sites like that. They can't test with all the distros, and versions of distros, and why would you bother? That's why Linux will never take off as a desktop solution on mass.

Even my online banking has special support for my iPhone browser, but it won't work with my friend's Linux box.

Linux's failure in the desktop market has nothing to do with quality of the product. It's purely the result of a fragmented product with too many versions.

User agent (4, Insightful)

Adrian Lopez (2615) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744197)

I wonder how the website might respond if you spoof the browser's user agent string. Would it function well enough, or is their notice legitimate?

Re:User agent (5, Informative)

KingArthur10 (679328) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744237)

It requires Silverlight. If you spoof the agent string, it asks you to install both Silverlight and Move Network's media player plug-in.

Re:User agent (2, Interesting)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744423)

Any chance this works with Moonlight? Or is that plug-in a Window-only plugin, rather than some sort of Silverlight plugin?

Re:User agent (3, Informative)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744339)

Would it function well enough, or is their notice legitimate?

It wouldn't work: this is Silverlight rearing its ugly head again.

You might be able to get away with user-agent spoofing and Moonlight [mono-project.com] , but I don't know how far along Moonlight actually is.

$ apt-cache search moonlight
mono-smcs - Mono C# 3.0 compiler for CLI 2.1 (Moonlight / Silverlight)

I'll take that to mean "not far enough." Although you can download builds directly from the Moonlight [mono-project.com] site itself.

These builds do not include media codecs (video or audio), for that, you must currently build Moonlight from source code.

That would seem to settle it: not quite far enough, unless you're willing to build it from source. Which I'm sure someone, somewhere, will, and let us know how it goes.

Already covered at democraticunderground.org! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744199)

And, it was confirmed that the Democrats in control made the decision to go with the Microsoft garbage just to exclude non-mainstream users. They knew what they were doing. They did it on purpose.

Furthermore (5, Informative)

eclectro (227083) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744217)

Biden his VP choice is against net neutrality [gizmodo.com]

I think Obama has lost his mojo.

Re:Furthermore (1)

chiasmus1 (654565) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744331)

I was really planning on voting for Obama until Biden was picked... Now who am I supposed to vote for?

Is Biden as vp better than McCain as pres?

Re:Furthermore (-1, Flamebait)

conlaw (983784) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744431)

Is Biden as vp better than McCain as pres?

Definitely, Biden still remembers where his house is and even commutes to work from there. McCain seems not to remember anything, including "his" position on issues.

Re:Furthermore (0)

chaboud (231590) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744459)

Considering that Biden stands a better-than-average chance of becoming president (sad, but, seriously, true), you might want to think of them in the same position.

That said, McCain is really old, so maybe not...

Re:Furthermore (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744333)

"Biden his VP choice is against net neutrality [gizmodo.com]"

So is McCain. Biden was selected to assist in foreign relations type tasks and to play devil's advocate for Obama (who is for net neutrality)

Re:Furthermore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744411)

At least he knows how to use [huffingtonpost.com] a computer.

Re:Furthermore (5, Informative)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744483)

Obama lost his mojo two months ago [slashdot.org] .

Re:Furthermore (1)

halsver (885120) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744639)

Sure is a lot of mojo flying around today, glad I brought by umbrella!

Re:Furthermore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744517)

Nerd vote = FAIL!

Silverlight (0, Troll)

Ambiguous Puzuma (1134017) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744231)

For the best Democratic Convention video experience, you'll need the Microsoft Silverlight plug-in and the Move Networks media player.

Ugh. What could these possibly offer that couldn't be done with, say, Flash?

Deep Throat Say: (2, Interesting)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744275)

Ugh. What could these possibly offer that couldn't be done with, say, Flash?

Development paid for by Microsoft?

Re:Deep Throat Say: (1)

aarku (151823) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744407)

Probably not. [slashdot.org]

Re:Silverlight (2, Informative)

aarku (151823) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744391)

I saw an article on Slashdot [slashdot.org] about the recent Olympics streaming using a network called Limelight. Sure enough, the democratic convention is using it too [llnw.com] . There may be some Flash based solution similar to this, but Limelight seems like a viable option to stream live video to a LOT of people.

Switching to higher or lower rate streams (3, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744543)

Ugh. What could these possibly offer that couldn't be done with, say, Flash?

I just went to Move Networks' web site, and the FAQ mentioned one thing that FLV doesn't appear to offer: automatic switching to lower or higher rate streams depending on network conditions. (Remind you of RealPl[buffering...]ayer?) Now all we need to do is start politely female-dogging to Move Networks to port its player to Moonlight, the Free implementation of Silverlight.

Re:Silverlight (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744553)

Ugh. What could these possibly offer that couldn't be done with, say, Flash?

DRM

I just realized (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744239)

Don't blame me. I voted for Hitler.

Bingo! Silverlight. (1)

HaeMaker (221642) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744247)

It's because it uses Silverlight not Flash.

Re:Bingo! Silverlight. (1)

Ticklemonster (736987) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744567)

And do you think maybe money was exchanged to be sure Silverlight was in the spotlight? "Hey buddy, scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" Seems like the DNC would be more concerned that anyone anywhere using anything would have access to the streaming video; kinda like a great big "I'll take care of this, it's what I do!" government would do.

Plug-in overload (2, Interesting)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744253)

When I get to the site I am told I need the Silverlight plugin AND 'Move Networks Player'. Oh, and it proposes a Java Applet to install it!? Couldn't they just streaming WMV or something less complicated? Looks like they need someone to go over and give them an explanation on how to do things right.

I never understand why (2, Insightful)

Rayeth (1335201) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744269)

I never understand why companies/groups/whoever make these sort of checks in the first place. Why does it matter at all what OS you're using? Isn't displaying the webpage the browser's job? And clearly the browser is installed on your OS correctly or you wouldn't be on the internet at all. Silly.

Let'em Rot!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744273)

If I can't view it on Linux, I won't view it*period*.

Tech Savvy Convention (5, Insightful)

n3xg3n (994581) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744279)

This Page [demconvention.com] claims:

Building on a commitment to bring more people into the Convention experience than ever before, the Democratic National Convention Committee has taken a comprehensive approach to ensure the 2008 Democratic National Convention will be the most technologically-savvy event of its kind.

Really? If it were the "most technologically-savvy event" wouldn't it at least make an effort to support ALL operating systems, especially the one used mostly by the "technologically-savvy" people. It isn't a difficult feat to use technology which is supported by the three major OSes on the market. This isn't acceptable in this day and age. =/

Re:Tech Savvy Convention (3, Insightful)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744363)

"especially the one used mostly by the "technologically-savvy" people." Why do you say this?

Re:Tech Savvy Convention (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744595)

>"especially the one used mostly by the "technologically-savvy" people." Why do you say this?

I'm supposing because, of all known open-source and capital-F Free operating systems, Linux has the most support for, well, everything. It may be more unstable than other Free OSes (eg: BSD), but apart from that, I doubt you could point me to a Free OS that runs on more things, supports more peripherals, and has more crazy options in its kernel. :-)

If things like that don't attract techsavvy people, what does?

Re:Tech Savvy Convention (0)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744619)

He's implying that Republicans are a bunch of morons, computer-illiterates, or both. Or at least, that's the most likely explanation. Maybe it's an innocent statement that I'm reading wrong, but there are some very loud slashdotters who think the Republicans have every bad quality imaginable.

Re:Tech Savvy Convention (2, Interesting)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744577)

Hey, now. They didn't say it'd be "technologically-savvy". They said it'd be the "most technologically-savvy". They don't necessarily have to do well to live up to that claim, it's relative.

What's a better option? (1, Insightful)

aarku (151823) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744281)

Seriously, what's a better cross platform option for streaming video embedded in a web page? There's Flash, Silverlight, QuickTime, RealPlayer, and Windows Media Player to choose from. The last three (or four) seem to be in the "old/nasty" and "eww" category. All aren't very Linux friendly. RealPlayer and Flash I guess are officially supported. All choices probably won't work on Linux to a significant degree with random codecs and features not being supported on Linux. Am I missing anything?

Re:What's a better option? (5, Informative)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744463)

There's Flash, Silverlight, QuickTime, RealPlayer, and Windows Media Player to choose from.

I'd suggest h.264 in an mp4 container. Quicktime will play it, Media Player should play it, and Linux (totem/kaffeine/xine/etc) will play it.

Flash is the known quantity -- it works on Linux, just not very well.

But I think pretty much all of the ones you suggested are a better choice than Silverlight, in its current state.

Well, same deal as... (3, Interesting)

Darundal (891860) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744299)

...with the Beijing Olympics. They are using Silverlight on the site for the streaming video. Out of curiosity, was the error reported the error given when one tries to use FF on Linux to view the streaming stuff, or does it pop that up when you try to view the stream in FF with Moonlight? The Olympics streaming video on the site refused to work even with a tested Moonlight install with me.

I'm watching it on xine right now (5, Informative)

gambolt (1146363) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744321)

Re:I'm watching it on xine right now (1)

Ticklemonster (736987) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744637)

Me too. Hardy Heron, Firefox 3. Clicked and played. and the feed from Fox News works, too.

C-SPAN? (1)

HaeMaker (221642) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744323)

If C-SPAN supports Linux (I think they do via Real), they plan to cover the convention quite extensively.

just like the olympics! (1)

cashman73 (855518) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744361)

Seriously, with the Olympics barely over, haven't you people learned anything yet? nbcolympics.com [nbcolympics.com] used Silverlight, too. Linux doesn't work. Unless you have XP or Vista running under VMware [vmware.com] . Then, it will work. Just make sure you've got enough RAM on your system -- and if you're going to virtualize, run XP. If you're trying to run Vista that way, you probably ought to just be shot up front so as to put you out of your misery,... ;-)

Re:just like the olympics! (2, Interesting)

markdavis (642305) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744533)

Of course anything done by NBC will support their overlords (Microsoft) to the exclusion of others. That should not be a surprise to anyone. But a political party best think twice before immediately shutting out at least 10% of the possible viewers (Linux) and making it slightly to extremely difficult for at least 33% of everyone else.

Email Time (4, Informative)

markdavis (642305) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744367)

Rather than everyone speculating WHY they chose to use such an annoying setup and complaining here, let's just all Email them and let them know we are not happy and why. I did (not that I even WANT to watch the video). Doesn't take long.

Here is the Email address: info@demconvention.com

And so... ? Many websites don't do Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744389)

I don't see how this political propaganda is going to help any one. It's not because the guys who were paid to make something didn't do it for Linux people that you have to blame the entire party's values.

Re:And so... ? Many websites don't do Linux (4, Insightful)

markdavis (642305) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744573)

Exactly. Rather than complaining on Slashdot, send the Democratic Convention people an Email at tell THEM you are not happy. I did. Took about 2 minutes to compose a polite and informative message.

Linux/*ix users might be in the minority, but they do tend to be more vocal.... and often it works (to my utter surprise)

Hah! (5, Funny)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744417)

We're sorry, but the Democratic Convention video web site isn't compatible with your operating system and/or browser.

Phew. That's a relief.

democratic party's logo comes alive! (1)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744441)

At least in my mind....it comes to life and laughs..."heee HAW! heee HAW!" (or maybe it's more like "HA HA" like Nelson from the Simpsons)

but yea, there are plenty of ways around the "block"
VLC is one to play WMV/ASF streams and it's not limited to on Linux either. I use it on my XP and Vista boxes. It's less bloated.

As for website codes (not limited to this website) that blocks certain useragent codes, you can use Opera which can "fake" the useragent (which tells the server what browser and OS you are running) and if you are using Firefox, you can use an extension called "User Agent Switcher" (I think there's more than one useragent extension) to do the same.

Oh, for goodness sake... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744453)

While this is a blunder, if anyone really wants to watch the convention, I'm sure you can simply watch a regular television.

Will C-Span(/2) have convention coverage? That might be more continuous than CNN, and without CNN's silly spin.

If the DNC forbid others from providing video feeds, THEN I'd be upset.

I'm guessing the RNC will have a much bigger lockdown on footage. We'll see.

Anyhow, I still agree that someone organizing the DNC event made a mistake going with something other than Flash, or something even more open, like broadcasting raw MPEG streams or H264 streams. But, gee whiz, it's not a conspiracy to annoy Linux users or promote Silverlight (ugh!).

www video standard... (1)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744505)

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

Blacks Not Supported For Republican Convention (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744509)

"If you browse to the Republican Convention website and attempt to check out any of their upcoming streams, you bump into the following limitation: 'We're sorry, but the Republican Convention video web site isn't compatible with your race and/or ethnicity. Please try again on a computer with the following Compatible ethnic systems: White, Caucasion, or a Mix with Catholic or Puritan. Compatible homelands: The South, Rural Areas, or, if you are a Mix, a large bank account also works.'"

The party is screwed up (4, Interesting)

baggins2001 (697667) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744511)

I attended a number of conventions within our state and if it is as screwed up everywhere else as it is here, they could actually lose.
They lost my vote when Obama voted for immunity for Telco's.
I was hoping that they were going to be on the forefront of technology issues. They weren't even close. During the computer/technology meeting they spent 45 + minutes during a 2 hour session talking about Short Wave Radio issues.
Finally some other people took over the meeting and it started getting more towards computer and technology issues. but basically a lot of it was hog wash.
They spent a lot of time talking about caps on downloads. They were upset that they couldn't download more than 10 movies during a month.
I'm sorry but I feel there are more pressing issues, like broadband for rural areas, software usage in schools and government, open internet. Just to name a few. They were all more interested in who got elected, not what they were getting elected for.
Later I had someone come talk to me about my blog. He told me there were some things we just shouldn't talk about. He never mentioned my blog, but I think it was more than a coincidence that he came and talked to me the day after I posted the info.
I met some good concerned people there, but the people in charge were totally off the wall and I felt that it was more of a way to pacify the masses, making them have a feeling that they had an input to the party. I left the convention feeling like they were so screwed up that they could actually lose the next election.
And I bet it is going to be a lot closer than they thought.
It's going to be interesting, a large number of Republicans don't want McCain and a large number of Democrats don't want Obama.

File Complaints Here (3, Informative)

md17 (68506) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744531)

Complaining about this on Slashdot does little to change it. Instead, please send your complaints to: info@demconvention.com [mailto]

Not working on my Mac (4, Interesting)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744537)

Okay, on my Mac it doesn't work in either Firefox or Safari. I have intentionally not installed the Silverlight plugin; but it doesn't tell me I need it! It just says it's not compatible with my browser - and then tells me to use... my current OS and browser.

There's a web developer that's on the ball...

They're not supporting Macs, either (4, Interesting)

rk (6314) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744587)

At least, not mine, despite their page stating that they support "Mac with Tiger (OS 10.4) or Leopard (OS 10.5)." and "Firefox (version 2), or, if you are on a Mac, Safari (version 3.1) also works." I have a Mac running Tiger, Safari 3.1, and Firefox 2, and I got the "We're sorry" message with both.

Aren't Mac users a big chunk of the core Democratic Party base? ;-)

So what? (3, Funny)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#24744609)

So what? You're gonna vote for the candidate whose website supports Linux? Pfft, how silly. I'll only choose my candidate based on their web server's OS.

In 2008 vote for the candidate whose server runs FreeBSD!!

Sorry Linux users...But, damn, this is COOL... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24744675)

While it might be a disappointment that Linux users are unable to watch the convention through the video feeds provided by the DNC site, and while it might seem like a setback to have to install Silverlight...

Damn, dude, that video player in Silverlight is COOL! I'm no Microsoft fanboi by any stretch of the imagination -- and I only installed Silverlight just now, with reluctance, to see for myself how the video looked for the DNC convention (and chuckled at the Silverlight EULA about the things it would do to handle DRM) -- and I am amazed by how cool the video player and this particular Silverlight application is.

Sure, it's just playing video, but the quality is pretty good, and even looks good at full screen size. But what's really cool is being able to click on a button to switch to an alternative camera view! There is no interruption of audio, and no significant pause to switch the video.

Overall, I'm impressed by the experience.

However, having said this, I do think that the open source community can and should compete with Silverlight and video players. Would the Dirac codec be able to deliver the quality of VC-1 (or whatever is being used here) using the same bandwidth? We need to recreate the same end-user experience without any DRM servers and user profiling. The only way for this to happen is to eliminate corporate interest in the platform itself...

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