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Gamepark Holdings Officially Announces the WIZ Handheld

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the no-more-aa-goodness dept.

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Croakyvoice writes "Gamepark Holdings, the makers of the GP2X Console, have today announced the successor, which is called the WIZ. The new GBA Micro-sized console features a touchscreen, Linux OS, an Arm9 533MHZ 3D processor with 64MB of ram and will have commercial games on sale at launch in October. Best of all for fans of homebrew and emulation on the GP2X, all that needs to be done is recompiling of sourcecode."

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Obligatory (4, Funny)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753309)

...I heard that nobody beats it!

Re:Obligatory (1)

syrinx (106469) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753357)

Thank you for getting that out of the way early. :)

Re:Obligatory (1)

halcyon1234 (834388) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754293)

...I heard that nobody beats it!

Thank you for getting that out of the way early. :)

I always beat it to get it out of the way early, but won't you know it, twenty minutes later, there it is again.

Re:Obligatory (1)

default luser (529332) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756573)

I always beat it to get it out of the way early, but won't you know it, twenty minutes later, there it is again.

You should get out more. You can really wow the ladies with that kind of stamina :)

Re:Obligatory (2, Interesting)

jo42 (227475) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755975)

Wot's up with naming things after urinating? First the Wii, then the Wiz. Wot's next? The P33?

Re:Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24756345)

Actually, the next thing out for Nintendo will be a portable, hand held version - the Wee Wii !

Re:Obligatory (1)

martinw89 (1229324) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756423)

Too all those thinking this is a masturbation joke... *whooosh* [wikipedia.org]

Additional Info (4, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753347)

From what specifics I could find [dcemu.co.uk] on it, they are planning on supporting Flash 7.0 and I think this means one could play swfs on it (of which I know several addictive games online).

As for other support, I'm kind of disappointed that they went far enough to support Lyrics (Lyc) files but they only support TXT for their E-Books. I would be nice to see Plucker [gutenberg.org] supported by default so that all the Project Gutenberg books would be readily accessible in something better than just plain text. But, I suppose that's just a matter of recompiling [plkr.org] for the targeted architecture. I wonder if proprietary e-Book formats will ever be supported on devices like this? That's probably just wishful thinking--why would Amazon divert sales of the Kindle to something like this?

Re:Additional Info (2, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754039)

they are planning on supporting Flash 7.0 and I think this means one could play swfs on it (of which I know several addictive games online).

Flash 7 is pretty ancient tech at this point. The vast majority of Flash games are Flash 8 with many of the new ones being made in Flash 9. However, the Nintendo Wii has the same limitation, so you may find Wii gaming sites [wiicade.com] to be useful on the device.

Re:Additional Info (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24754419)

What they've typically done (note -- I'm NOT criticizing, this is just how it's done) is to ship the hardware with a fairly low-key set of features, then grab up better-functioning support out of the homebrew projects etc. and incoprorate it into later firmware releases. So, initial release will have Flash 7 and text, because it's quick and easy (Flash 7, I'm guessing gnash?) Gnash is approaching Flash 9 support (I have it work intermittently depending on the specific version of gnash), and plenty of text viewers are around, I'm guessing they'd be added in later (up to the limits of the flash size.)

Re:Additional Info (1)

atraintocry (1183485) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754897)

Parent is correct. The GP2X is a nice product, but it's not everything that GPH's marketing said about it on day one. For instance, I think at one point they were talking about WMA support, which I don't think happened but it was a long time before they stopped saying it had it. A lot of features and fixes were picked up over time from the community (which nobody objected to...in fact, the main gripe was that they could have done more to incorporate fixes that originated with the scene).

Re:Additional Info (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24756119)

I owned the gp32x and I can tell you most people won't be buying this because of the propriatary stuff it was mainly used for homebrew and opensource software. There weren't comercial games for a long time after it was released. It seems they are taking a different approch this time but I think most of the people who had the previouse model are going to buy it for the same reason. So all that stuff you just said expect to see it show up. I migth buy the new model sounds bad ass.

emulation (5, Funny)

flynt (248848) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753375)

Can someone write an emulator so that we can we WIZ on our Wiis?

Re:emulation (3, Insightful)

AdamThor (995520) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753995)

Emulators are inefficient, and the Wii is not the most powerful of the current gen:

WIZ might make Wiis wheeze...

Re:emulation (1)

Smidge207 (1278042) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756227)

Your're right, of course: larry flynt most likely *would* need an emulator for his dick...thanks for bringing that up. :)

=Smidge=

The Pandora (5, Informative)

ledow (319597) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753441)

Although the Wiz is the "official" successor, the successor in spirit (and with a much more open development process, and much more likely to actually get up-to-date source code published - the GP2X firmware versions aren't always open-sourced properly) is the Pandora... www.openpandora.org - which is due out at roughly the same time as the Wiz.

Most of the developers for the GP2X are actually putting their weight behind the Pandora first - I know, I'm a GP2X software porter of things like Simon Tatham's (of PuTTY fame) Portable Puzzle Collection... (Blatant advert: http://www.ledow.org.uk/gp2x/ [ledow.org.uk] for that particular one). This is mainly because GPH are notorious for poor information and stock-status. Most countries had trouble importing the GP2X before it was EOL'd anyway, and you don't get anything useful out of the company at all.

Forget the Wiz, open the box....

Re:The Pandora (5, Informative)

LotsOfPhil (982823) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753625)

Pandora specs:
* ARM® Cortex(TM)-A8 600Mhz+ CPU running Linux
* 430-MHz TMS320C64x+(TM) DSP Core
* PowerVR SGX OpenGL 2.0 ES compliant 3D hardware
* 800x480 4.3" 16.7 million colours touchscreen LCD
* Wifi 802.11b/g, Bluetooth & High Speed USB 2.0 Host
* Dual SDHC card slots & SVideo TV output
* Dual Analogue and Digital gaming controls
* 43 button QWERTY and numeric keypad
* Around 10+ Hours battery life

Re:The Pandora (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24753823)

Really? Just copy paste? No effort to even say something from your own head? Wow, how informative.

Re:The Pandora (3, Interesting)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754045)

Really? Just copy paste? No effort to even say something from your own head? Wow, how informative.

It added more to the discussion than your AC whining did.

Re:The Pandora (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24754179)

It's information that can attract attention to something people possibly wouldn care about; therefore, it's informative.

Re:The Pandora (1)

atomicthumbs (824207) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754501)

Don't forget the 100 hours of battery they think it'll get playing music only.

Re:The Pandora (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754741)

100 hours?

L O L.

Re:The Pandora (3, Interesting)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756869)

I would not go so far as stating 100 hours. The rather large (for a handheld, that is...) Li-Ion battery they expect to ship it with will give it roughly 10 or so hours of runtime with the power consumption of the components on the bringup board I got. This is at the clock speed of 600MHz. Underclock it and it'll consume a lot less juice and with the DSP core in there, it should be able to play MP3's, etc. with much less juice. Something like 20+ hours, maybe.

Re:The Pandora (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24756271)

I think I just busted a nut.

Re:The Pandora (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754285)

Since you know a bit about it, what are the must play games native to the GPX2?

Re:The Pandora (1)

atraintocry (1183485) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755097)

Before I rattle off a couple I have to point out some things. First a lot of the must-haves are actually ports, but they look awesome on the 320x240 screen and play better on buttons + d-pad than computer keyboard. Cave Story [miraigamer.net] is one example. Ur-Quan masters is another. Second, very little software outside of the emulators is gp2x-only because (a) most of it is done with SDL and the authors typically often PC versions as well, (b) some of it has been ported from the predecessor unit, GP32. But there's quite a large library of gp2x-only software, and much of it is very good. My favorites include games called Reword (anagram game), Ghostpix (picross game), Sqdef (tower defense game). Those three are puzzle & strategy games but there are many more in all genres. The crown jewel of GP2X exclusives was probably Wind and Water: The Puzzle Battles [wind-water.net] . But the creators have ported it to Dreamcast now, and there are rumors of a possible Pandora port. An incredible and highly original puzzle game with lots of sexy pixel art and good original music.

Re:The Pandora (2, Interesting)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754643)

A qwerty keyboard? Is that some kind of joke?

That thing is suffering HORRIBLY from feature checklist mentality. Just throw more and more features at it in the hope of attracting people who just read the feature list, without any regard for making a system that makes sense as a whole.

Re:The Pandora (2, Interesting)

Drasil (580067) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755171)

The feature list of the Pandora is pretty much exactly what I'm looking for when it comes to mobile computing. Small enough to fit in my hip pocket, while having most of the features of a full blown laptop. It makes very good sense to me.

Re:The Pandora (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24755203)

Do you know ANYTHING about the history, community, or purpose behind the GP32, GP2X and Pandora?

The Pandora is not intended to compete with the likes of the PSP or DS.

It is intended as the ultimate homebrew/retro-gaming/emulation device. As such, a keyboard has been a highly requested feature; it will be perfect for emulation of things like the C64, Amiga, DOSBOX, etc. Not to mention making it practical as an ultra-mini notebook.

Believe me, they are not just "throwing features in" to try and attract buyers; the feature-set has been 100% community driven, this is exactly what everyone wanted. I think they've done an outstanding job and can't wait to get my hands on one.

Re:The Pandora (0)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755343)

Believe me, they are not just "throwing features in" to try and attract buyers; the feature-set has been 100% community driven, this is exactly what everyone wanted.

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. Just because it's a community instead of a committee does not make it a good design process.

Re:The Pandora (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756907)

If you think it's not a good thing, perhaps the Pandora isn't a device for you. Again, it's a UMPC with gaming features designed in instead of bolted on. That makes it a bit different than a PSP or DS, obviously. If you're not looking for that, it might not make sense to you- but it doesn't make it poorly designed. It's only that way, in your not so humble opinion, because you're mapping what YOU want in a handheld gaming device on to it.

Re:The Pandora (1)

AmonTheMetalhead (1277044) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756953)

It's called "Market Research", you check what the market wants for what price. You try to match as much features you can for the most reasonable price. I'm getting a Pandora so there!

Re:The Pandora (1)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756889)

How would you know what makes sense? If you're going for a UMPC type device with gaming capabilities, that QUERTY keyboard is a nice (and expected) feature. If you're just looking for a handheld, it might be overkill.

The Pandora is a UMPC type device, tuned for gameplay first and foremost.

Re:The Pandora (1)

sjonke (457707) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754699)

I just can't see many people expecting to get their 300+ dollars worth with a homebrew-only playing device such as Pandora. PSP, DS, Wii, Gamecube, etc, homebrew is either crap, emus (the use of which almost exclusively involves piracy), ports of Quake and Doom, or crap. Homebrew doesn't have a big enough audience to draw in good developers and/or keep good developers interested in it. A $300 Pandora, while not requiring hacking, still isn't going to make the market any bigger because of its price tag. In fact it will probably be smaller then ever. The developers of the Pandora are heading toward the wrong end. They should be producing a sub-$50 device to play homebrew on the run, and sell it at Walmart.

Re:The Pandora (2, Interesting)

atraintocry (1183485) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754779)

Absolutely. The GP2X is a great little device, and the Wiz improves on a lot of key areas of its design. Essentially it's somewhere between a hardware revision for the '2X and a new product.

The Pandora, on the other hand, was developed in response to what the GP2X community was interested in, with lots of feedback and every step. As a result we have two fairly different devices on the way: a GP2X "micro" with improvements all around (but an unfortunately lack of regular buttons on the right hand side) and the Pandora, which is closer to an UMPC but runs on ARM and is designed around gaming.

In the end, though, I don't think the big difference will be the built-in controls, as both these devices do a lot more than just play games. I think it's going to be the price, and the fact that the Pandora has WLAN.

Re:The Pandora (1)

Drasil (580067) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755009)

I have a GP2X (in fact 2, and a break out box, and other goodies) and while I wish the Wiz and GPH the best of luck I'll be going with the Pandora myself. GPH have been guilty of some horrendous design decisions (particularly with the break out box), flagrant GPL violations (probably unintentional) and misunderstandings of their customer base (in the west at least). The Pandora project was instigated and is run by the prime movers in the GP2X community and as such I expect it will be of much higher quality than the Wiz.

Re:The Pandora (1)

Orkie (899576) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755017)

GPH are actually being very helpful to homebrew developers this time around - they have been giving out free prototype units and docs for a while now to homebrew game developers (not for emulators).

Re:The Pandora (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24756509)

I have the GP2X and I'm pretty happy with it. The controls are pretty horrible but many types of games are very playable. What I find most interesting about the Pandora is that it's being designed by people who had the same gripes about the GP2X as I did. There will be no "center click" for it's joypad; it will be a single piece of plastic with a center pivot.

In addition, the qwerty keyboard is appealing to me because I like to emulate some older home computers. Ultima isn't much fun with an onscreeen keyboard and the NES ports for it aren't very good in my opinion.

I'm skeptical that they will be able to stay on their price point, but if they do I'll probably end up buying one. eventually.

On a side not I'd like to add that I really enjoy the indie gaming scene. Yeah there are a lot of boring/derivative games out there, but there are also people taking chances that you don't see in the mainstream market.

Cheezy Anime (2, Insightful)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753459)

All of the games look like cheezy anime. I am not impressed or amused. This just looks like another hand held disappointment.

A hand held disappointment? (5, Funny)

spun (1352) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753511)

Must... resist.. penis joke... Damn it! too late.

Re:Cheezy Anime (3, Insightful)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753803)

All of the games look like cheezy anime. I am not impressed or amused. This just looks like another hand held disappointment.

If it's meant to be like the GP2X and GP32 (of which some misguided person made the same criticism), then you're missing the point. Those were primarily meant for those seeking a more open, hackable handheld that can run emulators and all sorts of other things. They're not really competing with the DS or PSP, which would be better choices if you just want to play games- or at least the kind of mainstream games that Nintendo and/or Sony want you to play.

Re:Cheezy Anime (2, Insightful)

Kingrames (858416) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753859)

so make your own.

I can't afford one (4, Insightful)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753483)

I went to the site, and there was no listed price. "Son, if you have to ask what it costs, you can't afford one". Too bad, It looks like something I would really like.

Maybe the lack of a price on the "buy it now" button was an oversight; if so, they need to get their heads out of their asses. Very few of us are Bill gates or Larry Ellison; we can't buy things we don't know the price of.

A lame website makes me think they must have a lame product as well. Be careful with your sites, folks! A good site will sell a bad product, but you can't even sell a good product on a bad site.

Re:I can't afford one (3, Informative)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753639)

179 us dollars - can't remember where I read it, may have been engadget

*sorry* price is £199 (inc), $330, Eur (1)

OeLeWaPpErKe (412765) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754407)

See www.openpandora.org. Ctrl-F "how much will it cost" (middle of the page)

Re:*sorry* price is £199 (inc), $330, (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754511)

Thats for the pandora, not the Wiz.

Re:I can't afford one (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754549)

Wow, now I REALLY want one.

OpenPandora (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753487)

I can only hope that it is cheaper than the OpenPandora. It's smaller at least.

At least we'll all be able to port our GP2X games to it. Although running them without recompilation would have been better.

Re:OpenPandora (1)

atomicthumbs (824207) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754557)

I think most of the GP2X devs are supporting the Pandora. Why buy this thing? Sure, you'll save $140, but what's the point if you have an inferior console with a crappy game library? Also, this thing's game controls consist of 2 d-pads, the last time I looked.

Re:OpenPandora (1)

Orkie (899576) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754923)

Actually, a lot of the GP2X homebrew devs are interested in the Wiz either exclusively or in addition to the Pandora.

Re:OpenPandora (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755785)

Also, this thing's game controls consist of 2 d-pads, the last time I looked.

How else will you play SmashTV [wikipedia.org] and Total Carnage [wikipedia.org] ?

The control seem good for games where you don't have to push more than one button at a time. But I have never been a fan of deviating from standard NES/SNES/SEGA/PSX/etc controls. I know I hated the little thumb stick on the one model of GP2X.

Re:OpenPandora (2, Interesting)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754601)

How could it not be cheaper than the Pandora? The Wiz has a much less powerful SoC, the Pandora has the most powerful SoC out there (TI OMAP 3530), with WiFi, Bluetooth, a keyboard, analog dual nubs on top of the D-pad and the *proper* other buttons (a double D-pad?? What the hell are these guys smoking?). Also a 800x480 screen vs 320x240. Oh and I'm not even talking about the vast battery life in the Pandora. That's the sort of thing that make the difference between just another PMP/console and a cutting edge high end gaming console/UMPC.

The Wiz replaces your GP2X, the Pandora replaces your GP2X, PSP (OK it doesn't have the commercial games but it will emulate all PSX games better than the PSP and it's vastly more powerful than the PSP anyways), and EEE. That's right, I said EEE, same screen resolution, a keyboard, WiFi/Bluetooth (does the EEE even have Bluetooth?), a possibility to put Ubuntu on both (no Windows though), and considered the reduced size and increased battery life it makes it an advantageous replacement.

So yeah, comparing the two is like comparing an Audi TT with your mom's Volkswagen. You can drive on the road with both, but that's where the comparison ends, hence the necessary price tag difference.

Re:OpenPandora (1)

Miseph (979059) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754991)

"comparing the two is like comparing an Audi TT with your mom's Volkswagen"

I'd much rather drive a swank Jetta than a TT. Just saying.

Re:OpenPandora (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755823)

So yeah, comparing the two is like comparing an Audi TT with your mom's Volkswagen

I'd rather have a Ford Focus. It's cheaper than either.

ps - I'm a professional Linux/ARM developer. I'm aware of the differences between the chips, but I actually don't care as long as I can download games and play them (and maybe port some of my own to it)

Looks neat (1)

Drooling Iguana (61479) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753495)

Might be a bit too little, too late though, with the Pandora coming out within a few months. Maybe this will work as a small, cheaper alternative in the open handheld market.

Yes, but where are my banks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24753497)

I have money in a bag that I would like to distribute to some worthy banks as an act of GREAT charity wherefore I shall be elegized faithefulley by virginal choirs in harmonie forever!

Specs? (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753503)

Since the article doesn't have the specs handy and the link to the specs turns out to be a huge JPG file (brochure, apparently), anyone have the specs handy?

What 3d chipset?
Screen resolution?
Power consumption?
dimensions?

Re:Specs - one more (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753547)

More importantly than the above, where can I buy one of these, and will they ship express to SA?

Re:Specs - one more (1)

atraintocry (1183485) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755289)

Assuming it will be handled like the GP2X, you'd be buying it from a distributor. Here is a list of gp2x distributors [gp2x.org] that should be fairly recent. For other info, the largest english-speaking GP2X forum (and maybe the largest in general?) is located at www.gp32x.com, and sometimes there are threads about who has the best price for a specific region.

Since the announcement was just made, the info in the forums is still kind of fresh regarding the Wiz and I haven't seen anyone say specifically which distros will have it and which won't, but that wiki link is the best place to start. I know gp2x.co.uk will have it and I believe they ship everywhere.

Re:Specs? (2, Informative)

Drooling Iguana (61479) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753903)

I've transcribed the first section of the specs from the brochure:

Product Name: GP2X Wiz
CPU ARM9 533MHz, 3D Accelerator
RAM: 64MB
NAND Flash Memory: 1GB
Size: 121(w) * 61(h) * 18(d)mm
Wwight Approx. 93g (Without battery) / Approx. 136g (Including battery)
External Storage: SD Card
USB Function: 2.0 High Speed
O/S: Linux
Battery: 2000mAh Lithium Polymer
Buttons: Up / Down / Left / Right, A/B/X/Y, HOME/SELECT, Volume Up/Down, Power On/Off/Hold
Display: 71.12mm(2.8inch) OLED Touch Screen Panel
Resolution: 320x240 (QVGA)
Expansion Port: 24Pin (Power Supply and Data Transmission)
Recharge Method: AC Power/USB via Computer
Consecutive Play Time: Approx 5 hours (Video, Game)

Re:Specs? (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754049)

Hmmm ... the pandora looks like better value for money ... Specifically, double the ram, 800x480 screen.

Of course, I'm thinking of creating simplistic diablo type games, so perhaps it would be better to target both, although I can't think how a rich gaming experience can be created in under 600x400 resolution.

*to slashdot* your input would be most welcome :-)

Re:Specs? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754345)

Diablo 1 ran in 640x480 (so did Diablo 2 without the expansion pack), so a 'simplistic diablo type game' should be able to have a 'rich gaming experience' in 600x400. The original required a 60MHz CPU and 8MB of RAM. This has a 533MHz CPU and 64MB of RAM.

Re:Specs? (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754405)

Which is why my enthusiasm fizzled when I saw the resolution of the wiz. Seriously? I doubt a Diablo type of game (with all the "richness" of the world) can be created in 320xWhatever).

Handheld devices are crying out for diablo and starcraft type games. Add in the networking (bluetooth even in extreme cases) and you've got a huge market for this.

Re:Specs? (1)

atraintocry (1183485) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755579)

If by Starcraft-type games you mean games where you need a full keyboard and mouse to comfortably control them then I wouldn't say handhelds are crying out for that. Even so, the Pandora's got it covered :D

Re:Specs? (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754591)

although I can't think how a rich gaming experience can be created in under 600x400 resolution.

Yeah, nobody ever enjoyed a game before PCs with VGA hardware!

Re:Specs? (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755177)

You did read about the type of gaming experience I was aiming at, right?

Re:Specs? (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755301)

Yes, the kind that people have been playing on ASCII terminals for decades?

Re:Specs? (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755379)

Not really, I was aiming for popular.

Really, you cannot compare the gaming experience offered by diablo with that offered by nethack. Neither can any ascii game compare with starcraft (you *did* read my post, right?).

They're two different experiences.

Re:Specs? (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755455)

(you *did* read my post, right?).

The one that said "I'm thinking of creating simplistic diablo type games"? Yes.

If you honestly think that resolution is that big a barrier to "game experience", you don't really know much about game design.

Re:Specs? (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755697)

Well, if you honestly think that diablo type gaming experience with a rich environment can be done in a text-based interface, please go ahead and do it. You'll make a bundle off of cellphones.

I honestly am curious - what type of gamer prefers blocky graphics to reasonable graphics? 'Cos I'm not talking about needing 1024x768, nor even 800x600, I think I mentioned 600x400 ... arcade games easily use 320x200, where movement is fast and very few "special effects" are needed. diablo type games use one different effect for every "skill" cast ... gamers certainly won't want to see "hell meteorite storm" looking the same as "holy petals from heaven".

I agree, for most games, reasonable res. is not required (for example, a stargraft-type game - RTS - can easily be done in a lower res, I think dune 2 was very low res). But for the type of game where the character is incredibly detailed (wearing different colours and types of armour and headgear, for example) *and* slow-moving (so that player gets a good look at him), decent res. is a must.

I can see arcade games getting away with lower res. Unfortunately, games where you get to stare at a character for hours on end need to have (at least) that character nicely done. Games where you may cast from 45 - 50 spells need to have good enough res to render each one so that the player can tell them apart visually ("oops - I've got the wrong spell selected").

Re:Specs? (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755977)

I honestly am curious - what type of gamer prefers blocky graphics to reasonable graphics?

How about anybody who bought a DS? That'd be 600,000 people in the US last month. You think the DS doesn't have "slow-moving" games where you have to stare at a character for long times?

Re:Specs? (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756037)

Good point. Does the DS have RPG games similar to diablo? I ask merely because I don't have a DS, but your further input would be most welcome - what would you recommend I look at to get an idea of how a diablo-ish game can play well in minimal res?

Re:Specs? (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756121)

It's not really my kind of genre so I wouldn't know. The most RPG-y game I've played was Zelda, which did fine with 3D graphics, although if you wanted smaller sprites you'd probably be better off with hand-drawn 2D graphics.

Also, you might want to consider getting a DS and a flash cart if you want to make homebrew software for handhelds. I don't have any actual figures, but it seems to me the market of people with a DS and flashcart would be bigger than the market of people with a GP2X or any successor.

Re:Specs? (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755797)

Nethack's gameplay is far superior to what Diablo offers, because Diablo is static. Woohoo, the maps regenerate. It's still the same game every time--and can't even begin to touch the complexity and entertainment value of Nethack. Of course, the main bitch about Nethack (aside from "too hard," which is hilarious) is that it doesn't have graphics, so they've lost half the droolers out there (and a good thing, too--maybe they can lose the other half?).

I wouldn't want to compare with Starcraft, because Starcraft fucking sucks. Simplistic gameplay, retarded technical failures (rendering a unit--the Valkyrie, I think?--useless because half the time it can't shoot its weapons because of sprite limits? Are you fucking kidding?), and a community of asshats. No thanks.

And there are excellent ASCII-based strategy games. Dwarf Fortress [bay12games.com] is head and shoulders above anything Blizzard, or the rest of the mainstream gaming industry, has done since DOS 6 was the new hotness.

Re:Specs? (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755835)

Thanks for your input, like I said above, I want to make a *popular* game, not necessarily a *good* (by hackers standards) game, but a /good/ (by popularity amongst gamers) game. You are most certainly not going to enjoy my game (which may never even get made :-). Sorry.

Re:Specs? (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756179)

Well, at least you're honest about being artistically bankrupt.

Re:Specs? (1)

goose-incarnated (1145029) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756339)

Thanks, I value my intellectual honesty :-)

If I want to create a work of art, I'd grab my guitar. For software, all the gratification is in how many people enjoy it.

Re:Specs? (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756549)

Diablo is static. Woohoo, the maps regenerate. It's still the same game every time

How is this different from Nethack? Does nethack give you different quests to do every time you play it? From what I remember (not played it for some years) it was always 'enter dungeon, go as deep as you can, and kill as many things as you can before you die.' The levels were different (but that, apparently, doesn't make the gameplay non-static), but the rough distribution of monsters was always the same (as with Diablo).

Don't know about anybody else... (2, Funny)

ProlificLurker (1349735) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753533)

This [youtube.com] is the only Whiz I'll use!

Still looking forward to the Pandora (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24753579)

I dunno about this one. The Open Pandora [openpandora.org] looks like it might be all this and more. That "more" probably includes the price, though. At $330 in the US--ouch! I'll probably wait for the price to come down.

Re:Still looking forward to the Pandora (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24756219)

Are you kidding? $330 for an mp3/ogg/avi/wma/flv player that can emulate DOS/NES/GBA/SEGA/SNES/whatever-the-hell-else-you-want-cause-it-runs-linux AND has wifi and S-Video out? I'm buying two, one to use, and one to keep in my pants because I can. Err pocket, I mean. Pants pocket.

Ehh... I'll wait. (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753633)

I was an early adopter for the GP2X. It was disappointing. The community was great. The device itself was lackluster. Bad screens, worse joysticks, power issues, bricking risks... the best part was the emulators, and those are on the PSP now with Dark Alex's stuff.

And the fact that it cost as much as 2 GBA SPs... I'm sure these new ones are even more.

Re:Ehh... I'll wait. (1)

Arccot (1115809) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754443)

I was an early adopter for the GP2X. It was disappointing. The community was great. The device itself was lackluster. Bad screens, worse joysticks, power issues, bricking risks... the best part was the emulators, and those are on the PSP now with Dark Alex's stuff.

And the fact that it cost as much as 2 GBA SPs... I'm sure these new ones are even more.

Same here. I was seriously disappointed with what I got for the GP2X cost. The newest hardware revision seems to be much more robust, but man, what a waste of money. The joystick issues with early versions made it almost unusable for gameplay.

And now we have a split in the open source micros community between the Wiz and the OpenPandora. The OpenPandora seems to be a greatly superior machine, but at a rather high cost for essentially a portable game machine.

I would probably rather get a cheap EEE PC or the like at this point for roughly the same cost. That would do everything either of these can do, in a slightly larger form factor for me to do general computing on, too.

Re:Ehh... I'll wait. (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756613)

The OpenPandora seems to be a greatly superior machine, but at a rather high cost for essentially a portable game machine.

I think this is a real mistake for the OpenPandora community. If they'd put another 128MB of RAM in there (would need a board redesign, since it would need to be separate) then it would make an absolutely wonderful portable computer. With 128MB, things are just a little bit tight when running modern software (especially since they don't want to enable swap). It's more than enough for running a single app, but I want to be able to multitask. With 256MB of RAM and DVI out (which you get from the BeagleBoard) I would pre-order a Pandora machine now as a general-purpose machine.

Anyone think of an 80's B movie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24753709)

When I heard "the wiz", the first thing that came to mind was The Wizard [nintendolife.com] , that 1980's film which was basically a 90 minute Nintendo promotional item.

Maybe that powerglove kid can show me the flutes on SMB3 with this handheld, as opposed to getting his ass beat by a 9 year old!

kaimerra (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24753711)

http://openpandora.org

enough said

fu3gk... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24753869)

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Not GBA micro sized (1)

abigsmurf (919188) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753877)

Judging from the pics on the site, it's about the same width as a regular GBA but not as tall.

Has a 2.8" VGA screen, 8 buttons (including volume and menu ones). It looks pretty nice but it's lacking buttons for emulation

Re:Not GBA micro sized (1)

atraintocry (1183485) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755499)

I think it will have shoulder buttons too. But yeah nowhere near GBA-micro size. Just shorter in height than the gp2x and has that nice curve to it.

File this under "the rectification of names"... (1)

Non-Newtonian Fluid (16797) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753907)

I noticed that this article, a previous article it refers to, as well as the DCEMU all refer to this hand-held system as a "console." To me, the word "console" implies something that hooks up to a TV or monitor -- something immobile and even relatively large -- not a hand-held system. Is that true for anyone else?

Nintendo should buy the rights to this thing. (1)

Millennium (2451) | more than 5 years ago | (#24753987)

Just think: if Nintendo replaced the DS with this, you could choose to play with your Wii or your Wiz.

Reality Check (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754457)

"Launches" in February with 4 or 5 shitty games.

Severe lack of support, reliability issues, and retarded pricing will kill this off faster then the ngage.

(Stop denying it, the ngage was dead out of the water, and still is. Its corpse is merely being paraded about like in Weekend at Bernie's.)

Re:Reality Check (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24754533)

I doubt it'll have huge sales, but the GP2X and previous model (GP32X) sold some. They targetted homebrewers and emulation enthusiasts (playing some Mario on a handheld would be pretty fun.)

Re:Reality Check (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754647)

Pirates, you mean.

Re:Reality Check (1)

atomicthumbs (824207) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754577)

And the Pandora is launching with a nice library of software and emulators. ^_^

Re:Reality Check (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754657)

^_^ ?

Piracy is illegal.

Re:Reality Check (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754867)

Who talked about piracy? That's as if you went "iPods play MP3s? OMG piracy!!". Nothing inherently illegal about emulators.

Wii, Wiz and the W.E phone - p&/a ain't scared (1)

danboid (300692) | more than 5 years ago | (#24754559)

AND

A Canadian firm is producing their own version of the Freerunner/ Openmoko Linux smartphone called the W.E phone. I kid ye not!

When will the tech dick gags end?

Pandora poops on this wee willy from a great height. Pandora is coming out at same time but is a whole generation ahead in many ways.

Music playback (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24754571)

Supports OGG.

Now go buy this instead of an iPod and stop complaining.

Re:Music playback (1)

atraintocry (1183485) | more than 5 years ago | (#24755707)

You could even play your Wiz [imdb.com] soundtrack on it! For when you're easin' on down the road...
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