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"E For All" Game Expo Withers, PAX Thrives

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the supply-and-demand dept.

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After the continued struggles of E3 this year, it looks like another IDG-based games conference will have its own troubles. BigDownload reports that most major game manufacturers are skipping E For All, in part due to their focus on the upcoming Penny Arcade Expo (PAX) and BlizzCon (which will be televised). E for All will have major presentations by Microsoft and EA, but you'll have to go to PAX to see events and exhibits from other big publishers; for example, the playable Jumpgate Evolution demo, the Guild Wars tournament, or the Omegathon. The Seattle Times ran a story about Penny Arcade's creators and how PAX came into existence. Further competition for E For All is coming from the Tokyo Game Show, which runs in the beginning of October.

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Pussy Nazi Sez (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24756591)

No pussy for YOU!

Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (5, Interesting)

RobBebop (947356) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756651)

I can say that it is good that a convention where the focus on gaming is valued more than the focus on the "market for gaming".

Hell... Penny Arcade was pushing the latest edition of Dungeons and Dragons table game not too long ago. I would guess that this is a fairly small market, but they don't care because they enjoy the game.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (4, Funny)

Silicon Jedi (878120) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756671)

James Darkmagic the Third approves this message.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24756917)

(of the New Hampshire Darkmagics)

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24757291)

Silicon Jedi was assuming everyone knew that. They ARE kind of a big deal.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 6 years ago | (#24770029)

But does their guild hall smell of rich mahogany?

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (5, Insightful)

Sethus (609631) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756827)

There is so much truth to this. I went to PAX for the first time last year (and I'm going again this year, driving down to Houston from Dallas, and flying up) and the thing that struck me was how they don't sell games there. They showcase all these awesome games and you really get your consumer head going; but the total lack of stores there makes you realize; hey this is a Con for people who just love gaming.

Will Wheaton gave an excellent Keynote last year (and hopefully he's there again this year and I can have a chance to play some Smash or something with him) but really brought together my floating thoughts what it means to be a social gamer. In some ways it's simply parallel play, but PAX is about getting together with your best friends, going to have a blast and enjoy everything about gaming.

I'm no wordsmith, but this article comes as no huge surprise to me; PAX is awesome (and hopefully it continues to be).

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24757227)

I'm no wordsmith, but this article comes as no huge surprise to me; PAX is awesome (and hopefully it continues to be).

I'm a bit worried about that, they've announced plans to "expand" it to the east coast, which is a really horrible idea. It means that it's going from "let's get a bunch of people together and celebrate gaming" to "let's see how much money we can suck out of people!"

Not to mention that all the interesting gaming people are on the west coast. I can't imagine what an east coast PAX would be. Who'd show up? I know there are obviously gamers on the east coast, but I mean "gaming celebrity" wise, like Wil Wheaton? The only person I can think of is the Ctrl-Alt-Del guy, and he's more infamous than famous.

Plus you'd have to drag all the developers out to the east coast, which means that either it's going to be more expensive to pay for, or it'll devolve into just a marketing exercise, or that no developers will bother paying to show up. In all cases, it stops being PAX.

So hopefully they'll decide not to bother with the east coast thing and keep PAX the way it is. Spreading themselves thin on both coasts is just a horrible idea. I think everyone would much rather have one great PAX where it belongs than two mediocre PAXs positioned to optimize attendance (and therefore, of course, profit).

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#24758545)

Tim Buckley does his own game/con type thing called Digital Overload - so I don't know how he would approach pax - not to mention I really doubt Gabe and Tycho would ask him - based on things they've said about him.
 
You are right that he is 'infamous' in some circles. This mystifies me a bit. I've looked at all the stuff he gets criticized for and wonder why it is such a big deal. Then, the people who are the most vocal about it go and do the exact same things and the silence is deafening. He seems to take a lot of heat for no good reason beyond certain high-profile people don't like him.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (0, Offtopic)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 6 years ago | (#24759757)

What stuff is he criticized for that you've heard, out of curiosity? The one I've heard is that his comic is supposedly a rip-off of Penny Arcade, which I consider complete BS. It had similarities at the beginning, but the style is totally different now, not to mention his style of humor was always different. I've never really heard anything else said against him, though, so I have no idea what else people might fling.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (1)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 6 years ago | (#24771175)

I've seen him slammed for the way he does his art. All I know in that regard is I couldn't draw all that stuff.
 
He's been ripped on for imitating Penny Arcade. I've looked at the strips in question. They are similar. I've also seen P.A. put out artwork that involved elements directly copied from others (They apologized about it, said it was a mistake.) and most recent Scott Kurtz had to redraw a strip because he used a character that was an almost exact copy of one created by someone else. He apologized and said he developed the idea completely on his own. I believe him, why couldn't Buckley have done the same in the past?
 
When animated ctrl-alt-del came out for a fee - Kurtz and the PA guys ripped him a new one. Repeatedly. When Kurtz came out with an animated feature, for a fee, nobody said a word that I saw - in the same places where criticism of Buckley was so evident.
 
And then there are the people who always say he isn't funny. Funny is subjective. I think his strip is entertaining. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it isn't. I just described just about every comic strip I have ever read on-line or off.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (0, Flamebait)

drsquare (530038) | more than 6 years ago | (#24761733)

You are right that he is 'infamous' in some circles. This mystifies me a bit. I've looked at all the stuff he gets criticized for and wonder why it is such a big deal.

He gets criticised because his comic is complete and utter shit. It's just unfunny 'jokes', told badly. Hell, most strips don't even have any joke at all. The characters are all drawn with exactly the same expression, and none of them are interesting or funny.

They're not well made at all, most of them have four panels when two or three would suffice, and they're full of endless walls of text explaining the joke he's just told so it's even less funny. The dialogue is laughably bad.

The main character is a Mary-Sue for the author, and half of the strips revolve around his girlfriend having an abortion*. How hilarious! It might help if the main character was actually likeable, but he's a complete and utter prick and in each strip you're wondering why all the other characters don't just beat the shit out of him.

* Yes I know it's supposed to be a miscarriage, but I like to think that she had it aborted because she couldn't face the thought of raising a retarded Buckley-spawn.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (1)

duckInferno (1275100) | more than 6 years ago | (#24770435)

I think the parent was more after reasons and not just opinionated prattle.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (1)

drsquare (530038) | more than 6 years ago | (#24775367)

Those are actual reasons. Have you ever read that sorry excuse for a cartoon? It couldn't be any worse if he tried.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (1)

duckInferno (1275100) | more than 6 years ago | (#24785631)

It's opinionated prattle.
- You don't like the art
- You don't like the jokes
- You don't like the characters

There's nothing more to your post unless you count the vitriolic spin.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (1)

drsquare (530038) | more than 6 years ago | (#24791629)

Hi Tim.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (1)

duckInferno (1275100) | more than 6 years ago | (#24824599)

A decisive rebuttal. Sir, I bow at your skill in the field of debate; you have calmly and firmly addressed all points in order and responded with a truly crushing array of counter arguments. I have no choice but to fold before your ruthless, but fair and quite impressive, onslaught.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (1)

drsquare (530038) | more than 6 years ago | (#24833327)

So Tim, why exactly do your characters all have exactly the same slack-jawed expression in every single frame?

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (1)

duckInferno (1275100) | more than 6 years ago | (#24834337)

Well John, as you know, I lack immensely in the art skills department. I'm quite good at programming though and have set up a net trawler with some rudimentary AI. I used it to mesh together a set of characters based on the average appearance of a certain subset of people (for each character), but it bugs out with expressions. I also trawl the net for knock knock jokes and string them out a bit.

Heh, coincidentally -- and you're going to love this -- I found the address to your mother's house. Yeah, I'm ploughing her as I type this.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (1)

gaijin99 (143693) | more than 6 years ago | (#24769813)

While I don't have anything against Buckley personally, I think his comic was best summed up in this snide and nasty review [blogspot.com] .

Unfunny, copy/pasted, bad art, Mary Sueism, derivative, etc.

I often find comics I like in Your Webcomic is Bad and You Should Feel Bad's hit list, but his review of Buckley seemed spot on.

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24759725)

Fuck you. Let us have PAX.

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24759907)

Fuck you, go to the Digital Overload gamer thing that someone else mentioned, or buy a plane ticket. Really, it costs about the same for someone on the west coast to go to PAX as someone on the east coast.

Doing an east coast one means its no longer just a fun event from the Penny Arcade people but has instead become a money-making venture, which destroys it.

The simple reality is that PAX east won't be PAX anyway, and at best, the real PAX will be left unaffected.

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (5, Insightful)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 6 years ago | (#24760145)

Have you even been to PAX? Ever met Jerry and Mike (Tycho and Gabe)? There's going to be an East Coast PAX because metric ftons of people begged on their knees for it. It will have all the same features for what I would wager will be the same cost. How is that profiteering? Sources on the inside of PA Inc. have said that at their current, dirt-cheap ticket price they only about break even. I don't see how doing the same thing in another place that other people have requested is somehow magically sleazy. There's no sound ethical rationale for that.

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24760381)

There's going to be an East Coast PAX because metric ftons of people begged on their knees for it.

And there you have it. They're doing PAX currently because its fun. They'd be doing PAX east because there is demand for it.

The best you can hope for it PAX east to be a shadow of the real PAX and the real PAX will be completely unaffected.

That's highly unlikely, what's much more likely is that the real PAX will suffer while PAX east will simply have none of the things that make PAX what it is: no concerts, no developers, no point.

There are already plenty of conventions on the east coast, but there's a reason all the big conventions (ComicCon, PAX, BlizzCon) are on the west coast. Hell, even "E For All" is on the west coast.

PAX east is doomed to fail, and the best we can hope is that it doesn't take PAX with it.

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (3, Insightful)

NevermindPhreak (568683) | more than 6 years ago | (#24760641)

Why don't we just try it out once, and see if it's something that would be good to do again.

You know, kinda like they did with the first PAX?

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24760713)

Because there already are east coast conventions?

There are two other east coast game conventions mentioned in this thread. There's no need to stretch the PAX organizers (and I don't just mean Gabe and Tycho) thin just to get Penny Arcade in the name.

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (2, Insightful)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 6 years ago | (#24761329)

I think you're afraid that PAX East will kick the ass of everything over there right now. Might your name be Ed Fleming?

No concerts and no developers? What are you smoking? What sound, rational basis do you have for believing that PA Inc. would abandon all the things that have made the PAX model a success in the first place? Robert Khoo has already said the developers are not only on board, they were a force in bringing this about. Perhaps you forget about the East Coast game companies like Firaxis?

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24763177)

Forgot? More like "never heard of." Which kind of proves the point, doesn't it?

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (1)

Krinsath (1048838) | more than 6 years ago | (#24763747)

Proves the point that you're just trolling, perhaps. Firaxis [firaxisgames.com] is home to Sid Meier, creator of the Civilization series. If you have no idea what that series is (even if you don't necessarily like it)...yeah, PAX is not for you anyway...

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 6 years ago | (#24768083)

What it proves is that you're not qualified to judge any part of this situation. Firaxis was valued at $26 million when it was sold to Take Two, and as a company has sold over 8 million games in its Civilization series alone. Some others you're forgetting are Bethesda of Elder Scrolls and Fallout 3, Big Huge of Rise of Nations, Epic of the Unreal series, Take Two/2K Boston of Bioshock, etc.

I really don't know what kind of crazy you are to be this antagonistic about something this awesome. I really think I got it right the first time, that you're some loyalist to some local event, and you're afraid that PAX is going to rock the socks off of everybody over there so hard that whatever event you like is going to wither or be forced to change, just like E4A and DragonFlight.

I've been attending PAX since it began in 2004. It is the best show of its kind on earth, that's why it's been growing by double every year with almost 0 budgeted for advertising. I plan my entire year around it and would have to be hospitalized or dead to miss it. The East Coast will come to welcome and love its new game expo overlords.

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24779053)

Robert Khoo has already said the developers are not only on board, they were a force in bringing this about.

I'd hate to agree with an obvious troll, but if they're only doing PAX East because people and vendors are forcing them to, that pretty much guarantees it will suck. PAX is supposed to be about fun, not meeting market demand.

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (1)

Cryect (603197) | more than 6 years ago | (#24764325)

Yeah, good thing GenCon is on the west coast!

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (1)

DirkGently (32794) | more than 6 years ago | (#24764631)

*blink*

When the hell did Indiana become west coast?

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 6 years ago | (#24764847)

That was obviously a sarcastic reply to the parent.

DragonCon is on the East Coast (1)

fallen1 (230220) | more than 6 years ago | (#24766481)

While not as large as ComicCon, it is one of the largest multi-genre conventions in the US. Last years attendance was 40,000+ and it keeps growing.

Plus, unlike a lot of conventions, DragonCon counts their multi-day passes as ONE person and not 2 or 3 or more (for example, if I buy a 4 day pass for DragonCon that counts as 1 person at the convention but some conventions would count that as 4 people and thus inflate their overall numbers).

There are many other conventions on the East Coast that do very well. Why don't you check out DragonCon [dragoncon.org] though? If you live on the East Coast come on down to Atlanta for 4 days of fun, freaks, fans, and foolishness (did I mention hot young women in little or nothing?)!!

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (1)

Mercano (826132) | more than 6 years ago | (#24868739)

PAX East Coast will open in Boston in 2010. I'm hoping it'll live up to its west coast brethren, as I probably drove half way to Boston to catch a flight to go out west.

Re:Being a East Coast Resident.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24883163)

Boston?! Are they fucking nuts?!

Boston is the city that thought little light-brite images of characters intended to look like Atari characters were bombs.

That's a GREAT place to try and hold a video game convention. I wonder how long it will take the bomb squad to invade the convention under the assumption that all those things with LED lights must be bombs.

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (1)

pragma_x (644215) | more than 6 years ago | (#24759989)

Well, there's always MagFest. Its nowhere near as big (yet), but bring your D&D group or whatever - make of it what you will.

http://www.magfest.org/ [magfest.org]

Re:Being a Penny-Arcade fan.... (2, Informative)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 5 years ago | (#24757265)

I don't think they advertise it this way, but it's really by gamers, for gamers. They seems like talented guys too, so it's pretty cool to see them do so well at something they love to do.

I'd love to go to PAX one of these years. They're talking about a PAX East at some point as well. I hope it doesn't spoil it.

-1/-1 Counters? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24756771)

Damn.. keep that "E For All" Game Expo away from me. Those creatures are brutal!

OMG JUMPGATE!!! (4, Interesting)

CubeRootOf (849787) | more than 5 years ago | (#24756835)

Wow!

I miss that game!

Man o man -- I'll be buying that on release day. I just hope it is half as good as the original jumpgate was when the servers had good traffic.

It wasn't nearly as much fun to turn the universe red when there weren't enough folks on to notice :(

Did they ever fix the 'nix hitbox? will be my very first question when I get my hands on this, the next will be 'Where am I going to find a decent joystick in 2009?!?!?! do they still make them?' followed by 'can we still replace the in game music with our own? and rewrite the HUDs?'

The original was awesome - its too bad 3DO screwed it up. Glad to see it back for with a sequel

Wow!

*sigh* mods... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24756975)

Okay mods, I know this is hard sometimes, but please, RTFS.

A post about Jumpgate is not offtopic when Jumpgate: Evolution is specifically mentioned in the summary.

Re:OMG JUMPGATE!!! (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 5 years ago | (#24757039)

Did anyone else notice that many of the sound effects in Jumpgate appear to have been ripped from the first season of Babylon 5.

I wonder if they ever got in trouble for that.

I certainly hope not.

Stock sound effects (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 5 years ago | (#24757157)

Did anyone else notice that many of the sound effects in Jumpgate appear to have been ripped from the first season of Babylon 5.

And a lot of games use the "pneumatic door open/close" sound effects from id Software's Doom.

I wonder if they ever got in trouble for that.

Probably not. I'd start by assuming good faith and guess that Jumpgate and B5 just happened to license the same stock sound effects library.

Re:Stock sound effects (2, Interesting)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 5 years ago | (#24757239)

And a lot of games use the "pneumatic door open/close" sound effects from id Software's Doom.

...

Probably not. I'd start by assuming good faith and guess that Jumpgate and B5 just happened to license the same stock sound effects library.

Probably. Those same door effects from doom were used in Xcom: UFO Defense/Enemy Unknown (depending on where you lived) which came out the same year as Doom.)

Hell, those doors are pretty much the game equivalent of the "Wilhelm scream"

Re:Stock sound effects (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 6 years ago | (#24761323)

Hell, there were stock explosions in the 8 bit age, you could see the same damn sprite in almost any game, be it Descent, C&C or whatever else that I forgot.

Re:Stock sound effects (3, Interesting)

Dutch Gun (899105) | more than 6 years ago | (#24761955)

And a lot of games use the "pneumatic door open/close" sound effects from id Software's Doom.

...I'd start by assuming good faith and guess that Jumpgate and B5 just happened to license the same stock sound effects library.

Good guess. I can't answer specifically about Jumpgate and Babylon 5, but I know a bit about the Doom sounds. Quite a few of the sounds in Doom are pulled (often completely unaltered) from a huge general-purpose sound library called "The General 6000" from Sound Ideas. Most game companies I've worked for own a copy of this as part of the core of their sound library. Of course, if possible, modern sound designer will not use such common stock sound effects anymore unaltered, as a lot of these sounds are pretty recognizable.
http://sound-ideas.com/6000.html [sound-ideas.com]

Re:OMG JUMPGATE!!! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24757253)

It could be Babylon 5 got them from some pack of stock sound effects, rather than make their own. Not that uncommon, actually. I know there's one distinctive "holstering pistol" sound effect that's been used in a few older (98-2000) games and more TV shows than I can remember.

Re:OMG JUMPGATE!!! (4, Interesting)

Kamokazi (1080091) | more than 5 years ago | (#24757133)

My understanding is it's a completely reworked game. Looks to be quite interesting and I am planning on checking it out myself.

Also, I love my Saitek x52 Joystick/Throttle. Lots of features and you can find it for about $90. Kinda salty, but not crazy expensive like some options, and I think it's a good value considering all the features and the quality feel. Thrustmaster has some cheaper ones (independent joy/throt) that work pretty well, but the feal cheaper and don't have nearly as many features. (As a side note, if you try to demo them in an electronics store, the x52 stick can loose it's tension if abused to hell and back by elementary children. I worked in such a store and ours was fine until some 11 year old punk thought he was Maverick and went nuts on it)

Re:OMG JUMPGATE!!! (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#24757389)

The best thing about the Saitek flight sticks, at least from my perspective, is that that they're adjustable. I have small hands, and with a lot of flight sticks half the buttons are simply out of reach and the hand rest platform is inches below where my hand is so I get tired holding my arm out. So from a comfort standpoint, Saitek is the only game in town for me. Good thing they're also pretty good joysticks. :)

Re:OMG JUMPGATE!!! (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#24758107)

Have they learned how to implement USB specs yet? I was stung by the first Saitek product I bought - a GM2 gaming mouse. On paper it looked great - two buttons and a wheel plus a 4-directional pad under the thumb and a separate device for the left hand with two buttons under each finger, a PoV hat and a strafing control. I got it home only to discover that unlike every other USB mouse in existence it wasn't a USB Human Interface Device, it had some weird proprietary protocol which ran on top of USB and so didn't work without drivers. Unfortunately, they hadn't written drivers for Windows 2000 at this point. They did a bit later, and they were incredibly buggy and would leave the mouse in a non-working state periodically until you rebooted.

After this fun experience I avoided Saitek products. Around the same time I got a Microsoft Sidewinder Freestyle Pro - a really superb device for flight sim and driving games (motion sensitive joypad, so you can use it like a flight yoke or a driving wheel ). This properly implemented the USB HID protocol, so I can plug it into pretty much any machine (Windows, Mac or *NIX) and have it Just Work.

Re:OMG JUMPGATE!!! (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 5 years ago | (#24758177)

Have they learned how to implement USB specs yet?

The last joystick I bought used the old game port interface, so damned if I know. :)

Re:OMG JUMPGATE!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24767171)

Yes they DID fix the Nix hitbox and the Octavian faction is calling YOU back to Jumpgate Classic.

http://jossh.com

Senitient incursions, Military service, real squad politics and a uniquely dedicated community.

Jumpgate Classic - it fills the void!

Colour Me Unsurprised. (4, Insightful)

Bieeanda (961632) | more than 5 years ago | (#24757293)

E for Everyone eradicated a lot of goodwill the other year, when it had people wandering around outside PAX with televisions shoved up their shirts, handing out E4E advertising crap. Their chief organizer's smarmy attitude, an 'Oh, we didn't realize that this other little con was going on' probably damaged a lot of what was left.

I still love how PAX's would-be competitors just don't get it, like there's some kind of Feng Shui about their display rooms that draws fans, instead of not being treated like a walking wallet with a desperate libido.

It's not because PAX that E for All is failing (4, Insightful)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 5 years ago | (#24757297)

It's not PAX's fault that E for All is failing.
Just think of just the name "E for All"...it sounds so.....cheesy (for lack of a better term).
(plus there's that dreaded drug reference in the name....not so good for the public image).

anyways...the last good "E"-anything conference (formerly "E3") was the one in 2005 before they started instituting just stupid rules for a conference; they banned booth babes [wikipedia.org] .

Then in 2006, attendance numbers were less than previous years and they announced that the 2007 E3 would be "downsized". (nail in coffin)

They tried to salvage it by spinning off the "non-invite only" conference as "E for All" but the damage was done. By then PAX was gaining lots of steam....plus the price was right. It had a bigger attendance numbers and wider range for its attendance demographics.

Simply Enough... (1)

CorporateSuit (1319461) | more than 5 years ago | (#24757329)

E3 died when it became a conference instead of an Expo

Re:It's not because PAX that E for All is failing (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24759171)

E For all just doesn't understand some things. For example, they clearly went with the LA Convention Center because of the E3 nostalgia. Anyone who's actually gone to a show at LACC knows it's about one of the most unfriendly venues out there, though. There's no food *at all* nearby, there are very few nearby hotels, parking is often hard to find or expensive, and because it's LA there's nothing nearby to do at night after the show.

There are so many better locations they could have gone with that would have been relatively close but so much better for visitors. San Diego, San Francisco, Las Vegas...

Re:It's not because PAX that E for All is failing (1)

coachellamasada (1350549) | more than 6 years ago | (#24761225)

Just think of just the name "E for All"...it sounds so.....cheesy (for lack of a better term).
(plus there's that dreaded drug reference in the name....not so good for the public image).

That's funny you got a drug reference. When I read "E for All" I assumed it was a reference to the "E" game rating (which I still assume is where they got the name), and thus the expo would be a focus on family oriented and kid friendly (and thus, crappy) games.

Obligatory Firefly Reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24757301)

It's the PAX!

Stupid Alliance.

Omegathon? (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 5 years ago | (#24757651)

How is the Omegathon an "event (or) exhibit from (a) major publisher"?

Or should that have been parsed as ((events) and (exhibits from major publishers)) rather than ((events and exhibits) from major publishers)? If so that doesn't make sense... I mean, you don't think E for All is gonna have "events"?

Maybe there should be a bit of Javascript in Slashcode - when you hover over a sentence in the summary it'll pop up a sentence diagram...

Re:Omegathon? (4, Informative)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 6 years ago | (#24760115)

Uh, last year's Omegathon featured Halo 3. Before it was released. Probably pretty major for the publisher.

Re:Omegathon? (4, Informative)

Sir Toby (660923) | more than 6 years ago | (#24761223)

Last year's Omegathon also featured Rock Band before its release.

Re:Omegathon? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24768659)

This year's Omegathon is going to be featuring publicly playable versions of a fair few upcoming games too. Left 4 Dead is sure to be popular for that.

Relic are also goin to be publicly showcasing Dawn of War II, although I'm not sure whether that's going to be playable.

PAX is very definitely a HUGE marker on the calendar for anyone involved in the games industry.

But...E for All has fata1ity! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24758125)

That'll bring the kids in, right? Right?

I did have to laugh that PAX promised that fatal1ty wouldn't be there [kotaku.com] -- I think it's clear which convention understands their market.

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