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WCG Tournament Director Admits Drugs In E-Sports

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the hopped-up dept.

PC Games (Games) 448

SlappingOysters writes "In the lead up to the World Cyber Games finals in Germany, Gameplayer has an incredible interview with Tournament Director Alex Walker in which he freely admits knowledge of participants taking illegal drugs to enhance their performance. The interview came in response to a previous article by the site in which they examined whether there was a need to bring drug testing into professional gaming events to ensure a level playing field. Walker said, 'I've seen a number of players at national tournaments who came in "baked" (that's stoned for the uninformed) purely so they could play better. In most cases they did, although obviously they couldn't just pull out another joint midway through. In one WCG, a player I knew took amphetamines an hour before his match to boost his reflexes.'"

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448 comments

Effects of Cannabis (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778501)

'I've seen a number of players at national tournaments who came in "baked" (that's stoned for the uninformed) purely so they could play better. In most cases they did ...

Um, I'm not a regular drug user but how are the effects of Cannabis [wikipedia.org] beneficial to gaming?

Acute effects while under the influence include euphoria, increased appetite, anxiety, short-term memory loss, and circulation effects which may increase risks of heart attacks.

I understand how drugs that affect your nervous system -- like uppers -- can increase your reaction time and muscle twitching for those games involving twitch skills. And nobody can shred on a guitar like an coked up hair band [youtube.com] ... but how does a drug that made my college roommate double up in laughter and fail at communication make someone better at video games?

Re:Effects of Cannabis (0, Troll)

soulfury (1229120) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778551)

Um, I'm not a regular drug user but how are the effects of Cannabis [wikipedia.org] beneficial to gaming?

It blurs the difference between fantasy and reality. The game looks and feels very real under the effects of marijuana.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778621)

Have you ever actually smoked marijuana? I assure you that the game doesn't "look" or "feel" any different under the effects of marijuana...

Re:Effects of Cannabis (-1, Troll)

soulfury (1229120) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778753)

Nope, but I was aiming for a troll mod.

I tried coding while being drunk from tequila and sake though...

Re:Effects of Cannabis (4, Funny)

muszek (882567) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779203)

Man, you're a wild beast.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778623)

Smoking something that actually makes "Home Improvement" a funny show won't make you a better TV writer.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

DoubleBarrelDarryl (1352363) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778797)

Where'd you learn that? DRUG SCHOOL?

Re:Effects of Cannabis (4, Funny)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779193)

Where'd you learn that Cheech? DRUUUUG SCHOOL?

Fixed it for ya :)

Re:Effects of Cannabis (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778841)

This is totally true. I once played Counter Strike for, like, 8 hours straight while high on weed. Afterward, I smoked a few more bowls and decided I was going to play some Counter Strike in real life, because, like, what's the difference, you know? So I got myself a machine gun and was all ready to go out and mow some people down but then I thought, man, this gun would make a totally wicked bong. So I spent the next 3 weeks building a bong out of my M-16, and man, that shit is fuckin' crazy, dude! No shit!

Re:Effects of Cannabis (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24779199)

This is totally true. I once played Counter Strike for, like, 8 hours straight while high on weed. Afterward, I smoked a few more bowls and decided I was going to play some Counter Strike in real life, because, like, what's the difference, you know? So I got myself a machine gun and was all ready to go out and mow some people down but then I thought, man, this gun would make a totally wicked bong. So I spent the next 3 weeks building a bong out of my M-16, and man, that shit is fuckin' crazy, dude! No shit!

Are you sure you weren't just watching Platoon [youtube.com] ?

Re:Effects of Cannabis (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778599)

Calms you down a bit so you're less nervous perhaps?

Re:Effects of Cannabis (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778603)

My guess is focus. On some games, if you become too focused, it is easier to make a mistake. If marijuana assists their ability to do abstraction then it could be beneficial.

Another example might be a scenario where being tense is worse than the loss of dexterity incurred from being slightly stoned. The best example I could come up with, for myself, is sniping. I do better at sniping (and instagibbing) moving targets when I relax and anticipate my enemies moves. If I was extremely tense (due to a money competition) I could see how chemical relaxation could increase performance.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (5, Insightful)

faloi (738831) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778615)

but how does a drug that made my college roommate double up in laughter and fail at communication make someone better at video games?

Best guess? If you spend all your free time practicing the game while high, you're more accustomed to playing it that way. Playing it when you're not high entails a different playing experience to overcome. Not so much that smoking a joint helped them play better because of the effects of the drug, but it got them to a more "normal" state to play the game.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (4, Interesting)

OG (15008) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778909)

Yep, it's called state-dependent learning [wikipedia.org] .

Almost certainly the case (4, Informative)

Woundweavr (37873) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778937)

Most recreational drugs are recreational because they produce an altered state of consciousness. Alcohol does the same thing. If you study a subject (say physics) while intoxicated, your recall of the material will be higher when intoxicated. It stands to reason that a similar phenomenon could exist with video games. They practice stoned so they play better stoned.

I'm not sure if that really counts as a "performance enhancing drug" though.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779115)

I always played Road Rash while drinking, and when I had a good beer buzz on I played better. But beer is legal. TFS talks of illegal drugs, WTF does "legal" have to do with it? What if I was prescribed a performance enhansing drug for a medical condition? The "illegal" drug would then be legal.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

Mushdot (943219) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778653)

It probably depends on your own physiology and the type of game you are playing, but some people can get themselves into the 'zone' after a few joints. I play racing games a lot better after a few spliffs but play other games a lot worse.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778679)

perception of time is the kicker. At least for me that's the case. I cannot compete with friends when I'm sober but after smoking a gram or two, thats when the game action slows down enough that I can react to events with much better precision.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778933)

It's not the game action slowing down, rather the sampling frequency of your brain going up.

I noticed the same effect while listening to music: you can explore a few seconds of music as an infinitely detailed landscape of sounds. The same with thoughts (you can witness how thoughts are forming in your brain).

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

anonymousJUGGERNAUT (909643) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779159)

I've noticed that as well; it would be an interesting program of research for a cognitive psychology lab, to try to explain that effect. I think an EEG might be a good place to start looking for that "sampling frequency" effect.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (2, Interesting)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779209)

Oh, ok, I just thought it would make people slower. Guess I have missed out on never actually testing it and figure out myself.

And here I thought I was hardcore when I took rhodiola rosea, ginkgo biloba, acetyl-l-carnitine, caffeine and theobromine, green tea / egcg and finally tyrosine and taurine though I don't see how the later would help before a couple of games of WC 3.

(I won 3 games in a row but there's a 1/8 chance for that so nothing special, since then I've won my last 11 games in a row at a chance of 1/2048 which is more weird :D)

Anyway, thanks for the info, and enlightenment on consideration of educational use :D

Re:Effects of Cannabis (2, Interesting)

Krinsath (1048838) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778699)

I don't know for certain, but one would imagine that the competition level at such an event would put a tremendous amount of stress on someone, especially a gamer who is probably does not have an audience outside of fellow players normally. Much like in athletic sports when a professional makes one mistake in the actual game it generally snowballs into more and more of them simply due to the pressure that being on that stage causes (hence why they always say to have a short memory). In that regard, I can see it being beneficial as it relaxes the person and allows them to have less of a memory for mistakes. This in turn would improve their overall performance, in theory.

However, the dulled reaction times and giggle fits would seem to negate those advantages...in least in my way of thinking. Someone with genuine experience might be able to provide more insight. Of course, Cannabis may not be a great example as it's not illegal in every country of the world.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

ag3ntugly (636404) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778701)

Also, I've notcied when im good and backed it tends to make me focus on one thing at a time, which makes it harder for me to get distracted from the game. If I'm good and baked I never look away from the screen if there's a live game happening.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (4, Funny)

garett_spencley (193892) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778767)

And nobody can shred on a guitar like an coked up hair band

That's quite true. Non-coked up guitarists are reduced to performing music.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (2, Interesting)

kieran (20691) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778801)

Drugs affect people differently, and people attribute all sorts of effects to them, accurately or otherwise. Where there is a marked improvement on cannabis, however, I suspect it's mostly because the gamer is simply accustomed to playing that way.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

SlashDread (38969) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778869)

Concentration. Being baked has the effect on some people, that they will be better able to concentrate on 1 single task. The roof may collapse, but they will score the frag.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (4, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778947)

This is one of those cases where, people writing the articles on "The effects of Cannabis", probably have no real experience with it. This isn't a troll, or some crazy delusion. Just follow me for a second.

Cannabis can certainly be beneficial in not only "gaming", but anything where there is undo pressure on you. The calming effect on your nerves, on your racing mind, on your anxiety can potentially be much more of a positive than the "bad side effects" are negative.

Don't believe the propaganda.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

Garrynz (904755) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778951)

It really does effect people differently. Me, I lose my appetite, get hyperactive and I seem to concentrate better. I particularly like and believe I am better playing table tennis and pinball stoned.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

davolfman (1245316) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778967)

Makes the game more enjoyable and helps prevent tilt.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

neokushan (932374) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779023)

You've never played Mindball [mindball.se] , have you?

Re:Effects of Cannabis (4, Informative)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779025)

Um, I'm not a regular drug user but how are the effects of Cannabis [wikipedia.org] beneficial to gaming?

Easy, THC (the active ingredient in Cannabis) causes your neurons to release large supplies of the neurotransmitter dopamine [wikipedia.org] into your synapses. Dopamine is responsible for helping your concentration. The idea is you're able to keep your focus much easier and concentrate on completing the task at hand in the game. For an experienced Cannabis user, this effect does in fact provide better gaming performance. I wouldn't recommend it for an inexperienced Cannabis user, however, as it can be quite disorienting for someone not used to it.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24779043)

I agree. Aside from the "perceived" effect of benefits... I can't imagine there would be actual benefits from standard drugs.

Next thing you know, people are going to be claiming they drive better after a few beers.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24779061)

lemme tell you something, it makes you focus like no other and I have never been as good at guitar then when im high. you get in the groove and nothing is there to stop you except some chips...

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

dave562 (969951) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779091)

It relaxes the body and for some people actually increases their levels of concentration/ability to focus. The effects could be considered similar to Xanax or some other anti-anxiety drugs.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (4, Funny)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779185)

You should talk to Ellen Feiss. I'm sure she could shed some light into the advantages of being baked while using a computer.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

whoda (569082) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779215)

That's why you don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.

Re:Effects of Cannabis (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779217)

Easy, it helps you get in "the zone". You stop thinking so much, and start just acting. Most games you don't want to overanalyze what's going on, second guessing yourself can be fatal. Cannabis helps relax you and lets you just go with the flow. Really, any kind of mindless work is made much easier with a little herb in your system.

Marijuana isn't a performance enhancer, jackass (-1, Troll)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778527)

It gives you the munchies, makes you paranoid, and makes you giggle every time someone says "420" but it doesn't make you better at Halo. So stop telling smugly telling other stoners that you're only smoking weed for "professional reasons." Unless you're paid to sit around all day watching "Krypto the Superdog" marathons on the Cartoon Network, then YOU'RE JUST A STONER!

Oh, and here's another insight, Pete. To be a professional gamer YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GET PAID FOR IT! And, much as I applaud your claim to be one of the best "WWE: Day of Reckoning" players in the world, I'm pretty sure no one is going to be holding a tournament for an obscure Gamecube title anytime soon. And, in other professional videogaming news, Skykes is getting tired of you crashing on his couch!

Oh sorry, was I ranting? I assure you this post has nothing to do with anyone I know.

Re:Marijuana isn't a performance enhancer, jackass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778665)

I disagree, Marijauna can have a calming effect on most users. This can make you better able to respond to high stress situations. It also makes games more enjoyable and allows you to play longer.

Re:Marijuana isn't a performance enhancer, jackass (2, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778825)

Most of the stoners in my life respond to high stress situations by telling their boss to kiss their ass, going home, and laughing hysterically at their DVD of "The Last Dragon" for about 12 hours.

Re:Marijuana isn't a performance enhancer, jackass (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778913)

Clearly you're very upset about this. You know what would calm you down? Weed.

Re:Marijuana isn't a performance enhancer, jackass (5, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779101)

It gives you the munchies, makes you paranoid, and makes you giggle every time someone says "420" but it doesn't make you better at HaloDo you know what you are saying here? That black people love fried chicken and will steal my TV, that Mexicans will steal my job and eat lots of tacos, and that all Gays use Macs.

It is a sweeping blanket statement that comes from uninformed bigotry. I've never had the munchies, I've never gotten paranoid, and I certainly don't giggle. Neither has anyone else that I have had a smoking experience with. These are horribly inaccurate stereotypes thrown out there to make it seem like Marijuana being illegal is less ridiculous than it really is.

Sure, it has its undesirable side effects. So does drinking too much coffee. And to say that there can't possibly be any good effects from pot are only spoken by the sheep. The problem ultimately is, only the people who smoke will know what they are... because people like you have your mind made up, and nothing in the world can change it.

Re:Marijuana isn't a performance enhancer, jackass (1)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779125)

You seem to have a very narrow view of the properties of substances.

Drugs, legal or illegal are entirely possible to be good and bad at the same time - morphine taken for medicinal reasons still has the effects as morphine taken for recreational reasons.

Marijuana is a relaxant, amongst it's various effects. In a high stress situation (e.g. a major competition) then that can serve in such a way as it'll improve performance overall. It's other effects have an impact, sure. But there's a reason people use recreational drugs, and believe it or not, it's not because they all like screwing themselves up.

Re:Marijuana isn't a performance enhancer, jackass (5, Insightful)

Jonah Hex (651948) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779129)

Dear sir, as I read your comment I thought of several well reasoned arguments as to why your first sentence was flawed. As opposed to firing back blindly I continued until the end, which made up my mind that rant or not, I had to reply immediately. By the time I had "Reply"'d I had totally forgotten my original arguments and decided to go get some timbits, coffee and have a smoke. While outside I was totally freaked out by the guy moving things to a truck, who kept nodding to me every time he passed despite my saying good morning to him once. Inside again I was refilling the sugar jar for my coffee when a variation in the bag's opening caused some to spill over my hand, I immediately burst into gales of laughter while thinking to myself it was a damn good thing I do the pouring over the kitchen sink. Man I'm so stoned!

I have been smoking marijuana since I was 12, am now 36, and work for one of the top hardware/software companies in the world running other people's Wintel backends. Today in my home office I'm building several servers remotely, attending meetings, and taking emergency calls. For further reference, see the excellent Penn and Teller show Bullshit!, episode The War on Drugs, especially the sections on the stock trader who works on the NYSE floor. He smokes several joints daily, all of which are provided by the US Federal Government for his possibly fatal bone spurs. There really are professionals out in the world who smoke quite regularly, even as often as several times a day.

Jonah Hex

Who cares? (0, Troll)

Swizec (978239) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778539)

So they drug themselves up, boo-hoo. Clearly these are inferior competitions if doping is beneficial, just look at any motorsports competition and you'll notice people aren't doping because the sideeffects of anything are too impeding.

To What End? (4, Interesting)

Cryophallion (1129715) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778545)

While I think illicit drugs should definitely be banned, as always we have to ask what extent does this go to?

I can get in there and hook up a coffee/Red Bull IV, and do almost as much damage to my body as taking dexedrine. So they ban caffeine, which means no moutain dew, and we know mountain dew is one of the nectars of the gods.

As soon as you start eliminating caffeine, we get to the point that they can't take cold medicine before a tourney as it will show up as a drug.

As soon as money and egos get involved, people will look for any advantage they can get. I think drugs should be outlawed, but that the organizers need to be realistic, and understand that anything in excess can be harmful, and that a well rounded approach is necesary

Re:To What End? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778625)

soon to be followed by banning people from getting a good night's sleep the night before, or taking a power nap between rounds.

Re:To What End? (2, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778713)

While I think illicit drugs should definitely be banned

There's no 'should' about it. Illicit drugs are banned by definition - that's what 'illicit' means. Legalise all drugs and suddenly there's no such thing as an illicit drug.

Re:To What End? (1)

Cryophallion (1129715) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778781)

Let me rephrase (obviously illicit drugs are illegal - which is why I used that term, to clarify illegal vs legal drugs):

Illicit drugs should be explicitly banned by the gamers association, which likely also means testing to ensure compliance.

Although, this brings up the question - who will pay for the testing?

Re:To What End? (1)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779195)

Paracetamol + Codine is available over the counter. It's a reasonable way of dealing with a medical problem. But what if I find that a couple of these reduces how distracted I am by the plate in my leg, and so I play better (yes, I do have a plate in my leg, and it does ache at times)? Is that cheating, or is that just overcoming an existing medical problem?

Anything performance enhancing has an impact on the tournament. Some are illegal, some legal. Some might only be legal on prescription.

Personally I think that's just a mine field, and they should just ignore it. Why does it matter if someone's baked his noodle before playing?

But then, I think they should take that approach to the olympics too - rather than the current really rather convoluted regulations about what naturally occuring substances are ok, and what are not. They should just do the 'augmented olympics' and let anything go, provided it's not obviously committing a crime in plain sight. (The latter is worth a 'stupidity' disqualification).

I think track events are dull, but having 10 runners hopped off their tits on psychotics would make it _much_ more interesting.

Re:To What End? (1)

ninjapiratemonkey (968710) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778755)

Well actually, in the Olympics (and other various competitions), cold medicine does show up as a drug, and does in fact enhance your ability to perform.
They also recently either removed, or raised, the limit of caffeine allowed in the system.

Re:To What End? (1)

Cryophallion (1129715) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778907)

I know it shows up - I pointing out how insanely far it can go.

Do cold meds help performance? Maybe (I don't actually know for sure)

Do people actually get colds and legitimately need meds? Yes

Will people abuse this? Of Course (same as those taking dexedrine for ADD, as I did for a number of years, which is also why I listed that).

I'm just saying that people can take things to extremes, and that anything can be abused.

Re:To What End? (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779027)

Very few cold sufferers 'need' medication. Their overall level of comfort might be increased by taking a mild analgesic and decongestant, but generally, their symptoms don't even approach discomfort, let alone suffering or life endangering.

yeah, but (1)

SlappingOysters (1344355) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778547)

I would've thought the same thing. But then again, here we have gamers shooting for major prize money (some of the events you get more than in real sports) choosing to take them. i guess it depends on the game. The amphetamines i can understand a lot more. Focus, and fast, and awake all night.

/. gives me the munchies (1)

Smidge207 (1278042) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778567)

Cool! Also, I sometimes post on the dot while "baked" (pissed off for the uninformed).

=Smidge=

Re:/. gives me the munchies (1)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778777)

I don't remember ever posting to Slashdot stoned, but I have often taken several hits off a nice gravity bong and woke up the next morning to find my Slashdot post count has jumped by 100 and my keyboard is stained with Cheeto dust, so it probably does happen.

joint ? (1, Redundant)

Arthur B. (806360) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778571)

Amphetamines make perfect sense, as would caffeine but I highly doubt cannabis would be beneficial.

AMP crash! (2, Interesting)

Redfeather (1033680) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778705)

Amphetamines carry an even more debilitating crash than most stimulants. Imagine what happens if, when stuck against a superior competitor who is not drugged, the matches run longer than the duration of the drugs? Final round failure is annoying, but final round narcolepsy? That just proves you're an idiot.

Re:joint ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24779011)

For a lot of people, marijuana is better than caffeine for video games. Especially guitar hero and those types of games. Makes you less jittery too.

Wait, what, man? (5, Funny)

Taibhsear (1286214) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778573)

Ok, amphetamines I can see, but weed? It doesn't exactly make your reflexes better and it's hard to pay attention when you laugh incessantly for no apparent reason. But I suppose it could help you focus more intently if... man my hands are HUGE... wait, what was I saying again?...

Re:Wait, what, man? (2, Interesting)

azav (469988) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778919)

Do you know people who code stoned? It might allow you to focus more on the task at hand.

Gamers use DRUGS? (-1, Troll)

doas777 (1138627) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778581)

if you can spend 12 hours playing a game, then you're stoned. anyone else would get bored and go out.

They must miss that their lead demographic coincides with the lead demographic for marijuana use.

fools. These are the people who bought GTA? do you honestly think that they don;t toke?

Re:Gamers use DRUGS? (1)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778751)

if you can spend 12 doing something you find a lot of fun, then you're stoned. anyone else would get bored and go out.

fools. These are the people who bought a thing they find fun? do you honestly think that they don;t toke?

Fixed that for you, Mr. "I'm cool so I run around belittling gamers".

Re:Gamers use DRUGS? (1)

GameboyRMH (1153867) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778807)

I played Halo for over 14 hours on the straightedge one day, stopping only for food and bathroom breaks where absolutely necessary, and got right back to it the next morning (well afternoon...those were the days). Maybe you just aren't big on gaming, somehow.

in my experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778587)

in my experience coming to anything baked leads to no advantage heh. ..maybe a concert, but no actual brain involving activity.

Maybe it's more pyschological like how smokers will have a smoke to calm their nerves when it actually has the opposite affect.

As for drug testing at the events to me it's just a matter of how "official" they want to be. I went to quake con once and it was more of a big party then an actual contest.

heh. (0, Troll)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778591)

I'm kinda bemused....

...does this make a roomful of avid gamers actually interesting or fun to be with?

(or are they just as boring when they are off their tits?)

Baked (5, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778597)

They didn't come in baked so they could play better - they came in baked because they're stoners. If they were at home watching tv, they'd be just as baked (and it's not so that they could watch tv better though I'm sure being stoned makes some of the crap on tv seem better...).

Re:Baked (1)

Smidge207 (1278042) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778741)

Well amphetamines I can see, but weed? It doesn't exactly make your reflexes better and it's hard to pay attention when you laugh incessantly for no apparent reason. But I suppose it could help you focus more intently if... man my hands are HUGE... wait, what was I saying again?...

Re:Baked (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778765)

This really is all there is to it. I know some of the people involved, and they definitely don't go in stoned to "enhance their performance."

Re:Baked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778787)

Dude, baked is so much better than fried. It's like totally less saturated fat and stuff. Could you get me some of those while you're out there? Thanks man, you rock.

And this is news worthy??? (1)

Schmyz (1265182) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778647)

...I still find it hard to accept that some guys are actually "professional gamers"

Baked? (1, Funny)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778695)

If you meant stoned, why not say that in the first place? Stop hijacking random words!

Re:Baked? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778891)

Dude, it's called baked, no one hijacked the word. Stoned just happens to be a bit more common, although "baked" comes quite close 2nd place. Just because you haven't ever hung around a liberal arts college doesn't mean that vernacular use of a common word doesn't exist.

And a lot of people don't know what "stoned" means either. Go to a Presbyterian church. The congregation will think you're talking about what happened to Jesus. (Meanwhile, the baked stoners will be chuckling a lot at the sermon. "Doooood! Jesus was stoned! STONED!!")

Re:Baked? (1)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779013)

no one hijacked the word.

What else would you call using a word that means X and subvert it to Y instead?

Re:Baked? (4, Insightful)

Guido von Guido (548827) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779033)

Using "baked" [wiktionary.org] to mean "stoned" is actually fairly common. It's certainly not random, and any hijacking took place long ago. It's slang, of course, but that used to be true of "stoned" as well.

I was more annoyed at the clumsy parenthetical aside explaining what it meant.

Better title: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778709)

Geeks Wake and Bake, then Quake!

As if CliffyB wasn't enough to give us a bad name (5, Funny)

VickiM (920888) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778715)

News like this make me ashamed of my hobby in a way that even Barbie Horse Adventures couldn't manage.

Re:As if CliffyB wasn't enough to give us a bad na (5, Funny)

Disfnord (1077111) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778991)

Yeah, but have you ever played Barbie Horse Adventures on weed?

I beg to differ (5, Funny)

lsmo (1106631) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778745)

I find that playing video games after smoking some of the finest herb allows me to get into a very relaxed state of mind. This I think is the ultimate factor in defeating many of my opponents. It just puts me "In The Zone."

Re:I beg to differ (1)

rhpenguin (655576) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778985)

I wish I had mod points as I've never read a more truthful statement on Slashdot. Nothing beats a bowl and some GoW.

MJ First post (-1, Troll)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778759)

First ... like ... post ... dude.

I am .... so fucking .... baked.

Marijuana is... oh, i forget (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778761)

Its all part of their pregame routine. Every athlete has one.

"In most cases they did..." (1)

h.ross.perot (1050420) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778775)

"In most cases they did, although obviously they couldn't just pull out another joint midway through" .... "Itâ(TM)d be a lot cooler if you did."....

Why no drug testing other sports do it? (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778799)

Why no drug testing other sports do it? Just look at Floyd Landis.

e-drugs or real drugs? (1)

ilovesymbian (1341639) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778803)

I thought some addictive computer games were actually a form of drugs, maybe you could call them e-drugs! Unless you need extra caffeine, which I think many of the marathon gamers need so that they won't die of fatigue [bbc.co.uk] .

why drugs in any sporting event are bad (3, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778811)

because now it is not a display of human mastery, now it is a display of biochemical mastery

this is not some subtle philosophical point, because the followup point is that the emotional connection with the competitors is what drives audience attention, and that emotional connection is lost as people will tune out when they think it is the drug performing, rather than the athlete

any sport that openly accept drug enhancement is a sport that will see its ratings drop.

of course there will always be cheating, of course this means we must wage constant war, constant arms race, forever, on drugs in sports. this is simply the price you pay to retain interest in the sport

I disagree. (5, Funny)

EWAdams (953502) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779071)

It's about time we had a sporting event in which drug enhancements are welcome so we can see the effects of the different drugs. "M0nstrMan took a double dose of crystal meth two hours before the contest, and we can see that he's 27 frags up on his nearest opponent. WeeTimmyLeary decided to go for tabs of acid today, and he's spent the whole match crouched in a corner screaming about purple caterpillars -- he doesn't have many frags, but nobody wants to go near him, either. 1nc1inerator's joytick hand is just a bloody stump at this point, but the heroin is really helping with the pain; he hasn't slowed down."

In all the non-drug sports it come down to genetics and chance, and that's hardly fair.

genetics and chance? (0)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779163)

1. if you honestly believe that's all sports comes down to, your ignorance of which you speak of is so severe you require no rebuttal

2. now, for the sake of argument, let's say you are right: sports is just genetics and chance. ok, so making it just about genetics, chance, and drugs is supposed to what, make more noble and attractive to the viewer?

Not a display of human mastery (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24779161)

Does drinking chemically-treated clean water count as cheating? Eating farm-raised meat and vegatables? Vitamin and mineral supplements? Protein shakes? Coffee and Ginseng?

Seems that all human activities will have some unnatural form of technology enhancement and the line drawn will be arbitrary.

Um... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24778831)

I am not entirely certain why this is important? Are they going to outlaw Jolt, Red Bull, or Bawlz from the tournament? No? Then this an issue for the police.

Common knowledge for "pro-gamers" (5, Informative)

daskro (973768) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778873)

While the performance effects of cannabis are questionable, the fact that drug use, be it for recreational use or performance enhancement, is well known to gamers who actively compete in these kind of events.

Of the dozens of events I've attended, there's always a significant number of people getting baked before the evens. It's also not surprising to see a handful of people taking amphetamines to keep them on their A-game after hours worth of match ups.

Frankly this shouldn't be surprising, the entire sport centers around high caffeine sodas and gamer themed energy drinks. These events last for 6-8 hours at a time and winning becomes even more critical as the matches move towards the 11th hour.

The community's resistance towards the entire drug testing issue best highlights all of this, when a number of leagues started pushing around the idea, there was both apathy and outrage over the idea, yet few voices of support on the issue. The suggestion that nearly every team has at least one guy who probably does some kind of narcotic also plays a part in this viewpoint.

Until pro-gaming starts to get some real ad dollars behind it, the drug use will continue.

 

drugs in e-sports (1)

bzuro (1205892) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778931)

I can tell from my personal experience (i was a contender @ WCG finals few years back), that marijuana doesn't help you at all when you are playing at this level. What players usually do, they drink LOTS of red bull-like stuff. (5-10 cans in a day is not unusual). As to the marijuana use, its just a social thing, something to help you have fun at the tournament and relax. (the age demographics of WCG participants is 17-23, go figure...) It has nothing to do with enhancing your play. Some players may be using amphetamine-based stuff, but I think, its very rare.

What about performance-enhansing surgery? (3, Interesting)

sm62704 (957197) | more than 5 years ago | (#24778941)

I have a CrystaLens implant that allows my old left eye to focus, unlike unmodified eyes in people my age. Before the implant my vision was incredibly bad; I wore "coke bottle" glasses all my life. Now my vision is vastly better than the normal 20/20. If I were in these games I would need no eyeglasses, unlike most nerds young and old, and unlike almost all geezers.

Sweat dripping down your glasses is a definite minus in any game.

Would my implant disqualify me? If not, I say let 'em ruin their lives with cocaine or amphetamines.

some of you are ignorant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24779009)

Cannabis can have a focusing effect for users, I know it does for me. It and other substances have different effects on different people despite the cliches trotted out here by various posters.

I also don't see why there should be drug testing. This is gaming, an underground sub-culture that overlaps with many other counter-culures. Drug use, including alcohol (mmm vodka tonics) improve my performance and enjoyment and is widely celebrated throughout the gaming universe.

This sounds like a perfect way to make your "CYBERGAMING" thing lame and unappealing to hardcore gamers. Drug use not going to give someone an edge because gaming is already on a non-level playing field, depending on PING and rig hardware.

Clearly, you have never gone skiing while high (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24779021)

and I am sad for you.

Entourage dig it already (1)

sunking2 (521698) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779035)

Episode 12. Turtle enters the game tournament, gets his ass kicked by a 10 year old and they figure out he sucks unless he's high.

Logical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24779037)

...altough not the first thing that springs to mind.
People who play alot of games often have "bad days" and "good days". When you spray all over, get shot in the back and have a bad score...it's because the brain is in "alpha wave". When putting a single shot in the head is as easy as breathing, when you turn around exactly 3 seconds before an opponent turns around the corner you've been standing with your back towards for 3 minutes, when strategies just work every time, and when your score is just 10-1, when you don't get distracted by anything out-of-screen (scratching your nose, coughing, anything)...that's when your brain is in "beta wave".
You've probably tried this alot of times if you've played before and after you've just eaten. Before you eat, you're ZOOOOMM good, after you eat, you're slow and sleepy.

Drugs can affect this easily. I know people who've taken amph when playing CS...they say it's like being able to see 360.
While it's a relatively new subject to take up, it doesn't suprise me that this happen alot. It means everything in a match. If you're in perfect beta wave state (god that sounds lame), you could easily own the entire enemy team, again and again.

I think it's a very good thing to test people for it at tournaments. Not just because it's cheating, but the difference it makes is so staggering, that alot of people will be tempted to destroy themselves with drugs. The addictiveness of drugs...combined with the addiction of winning...very dangerous.

No such thing as 'e-sports' (2, Interesting)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779197)

Computer/console gaming can be a professional endeavor but it isn't a sport anymore than professional chess is a sport. A sport requires some degree of physical activity beyond clicking a mouse or gamepad.

I'm not taking anything away from the level of skill involved and maybe I'm just getting into the semantics too much, but I'm tired of people equating professional gaming with sports. Again, the chess analogy comes to mind.

Drugs vs Mechanical diff. (2, Insightful)

svendsen (1029716) | more than 5 years ago | (#24779201)

I am always curious why drugs are considered bad because they enhance the bodyâ(TM)s natural abilities but things like glasses, earring aides, whatever are ok. Glasses allow someone whose natural ability to not see well to see just as well (or even better) then someone with normal vision. Is using LASIEK bad? Same thing. Either you are competing with what you were born and how hard you train or we use a variety of mechanical, biological, chemical techniques to be come better at something. Since we already do mechanical (glasses, better fabrics for clothes, swimsuits, etc) and we do some biological (or is it chemical) when athletes train in sealed rooms with more oxygen to raise their red blood cell count, why do we as a society draw the line with drugs?
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