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Lenovo Requires NDA For Windows License Refund

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the deserves-a-raise dept.

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tykev writes "A customer wanted to return the license for preinstalled Windows Vista Business that came with his Lenovo laptop. After some lengthy negotiations with representatives of Lenovo's technical support and management, he was offered financial compensation for returning the license in the amount of CZK 1950 (USD 130, EUR 78), pending his acceptance of a non-disclosure agreement that would cover the entire negotiations with the company and its results. He declined and published his experiences on a Czech Linux website. The website editors decided to reward the customer for publishing the article by paying him an author's royalty in the same amount as was the offered compensation for returning the license."

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Hmm (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24782847)

I don't want a penis any more. Can someone here turn it into a vagina for me?

Thanx!

Re:Hmm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24782917)

I don't want a penis any more. Can someone here turn it into a vagina for me? Thanx!

Too much frosty piss can cause that.

Vista is pants (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24782857)

Vista is pants

Re:Vista is pants (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24782913)

no it's not

Re:Vista is pants (5, Funny)

Millennium (2451) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783091)

Linux is better

(This post is a violation of your bank's terms of service. Please choose another post instead.)

Re:Vista is pants (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783283)

That is a gross affront to the dignity and proud service of pants in covering up our naughty bits everywhere.

He's from the Czech (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24782881)

If he's from Czech does he have a mate?

Re:He's from the Czech (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24782905)

Yeah. She's Slovokian.

Re:He's from the Czech (3, Funny)

arizwebfoot (1228544) | more than 5 years ago | (#24782925)

If she's from Georgia, does that mean she has a Czech ered past?

Re:He's from the Czech (5, Funny)

everphilski (877346) | more than 5 years ago | (#24782979)

Is it wise to be Russian into these kinds of jokes in this political environment?

Re:He's from the Czech (5, Funny)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783097)

Yeah I think it's NATO good idea. Ukraine never know where it will stop.

Re:He's from the Czech (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783211)

I'm Hungary, so I'm gonna eat Turkey

Re:He's from the Czech (4, Funny)

Caraig (186934) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783233)

I defy anyone to continue this using Uzbekistan or Tajikistan.

Re:He's from the Czech (4, Funny)

stinerman (812158) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783253)

It's a Spain to keep reading this thread. Perhaps you could Sweden the jokes a bit?

Right so now we know the minimum (4, Interesting)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 5 years ago | (#24782887)

So now we know the minimum we should accept. Time to start negotiating upwards to see what other numbers can be achieved.

That is probably the most effective way to start companies shipping hardware only or Linux pre-installed as the negotiation process will cost money. If 1,000 people went through this process with Lenovo (or Dell, or HP, etc) then we would probably see more progress than 5 years of bitching has managed to achieve.

Kudos to the guy

Re:Right so now we know the minimum (2)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#24782957)

If people violate the NDA or regularly turn down the NDA, they will simply stop offering any money under an NDA.

The amount paid without an NDA is almost certain to be smaller.

Re:Right so now we know the minimum (4, Interesting)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783129)

Or they'd publish a fixed price which means you could cost it out. Which after all is what we all want isn't it?

Re:Right so now we know the minimum (1)

initdeep (1073290) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783163)

no.
most people simply don't care.
i realize that thought is blasphemous on /., but then again, /. isn't the real world either.

Re:Right so now we know the minimum (4, Insightful)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783347)

Really? I think most people would want their $130 USD back if they knew they qualified for it. It's not a lot of money, but it's not a trifle, either.

Re:Right so now we know the minimum (2, Interesting)

HeronBlademaster (1079477) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783767)

I tried to order my laptop without XP (since I had like six legal XP Pro licenses sitting around) but I didn't have any luck. The thick-accented Dell rep ("Michael" or somesuch, I'm sure) could not understand why I'd want to order a laptop with no OS, no matter how I explained it. I finally gave up... I guess I should have tried for a refund after the fact.

Re:Right so now we know the minimum (3, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783209)

My point is that the $130 is almost certainly the maximum for the fixed price, not the minimum.

It isn't even all that likely that they will make a similarly sized offer under an NDA, as that ship has sailed.

Re:Right so now we know the minimum (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783891)

my itemized invoice for a laptop a number of years ago showed Windows XP SP3 Home at $5. I was going to ask to return license til I saw the invoice. And Windows Starter Edition didn't exist yet so where they got the $5 I don't know. It wasn't worth the hassle for so little.

So they could probably make up a price, claim some expenses for the whole refund thing or something and make it seem like small change. the little people aren't going to have the legal backing to go after them anyways.

It will still be very good to have these listed/itemized right up front. When you look at what OpenOffice brings to the Linux PCs, that in and of itself is a couple hundred bucks worth of Microsoft addons. And easy $300 savings with open source and you just don't see the press talking about this, just the OS.

How the guy got his "refund" cost was great.

LoB

Right Now, In the U.S. Vista Cost You $349 (5, Informative)

mpapet (761907) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783155)

Before anyone goes blathering on about "ufair" this and "innacurate" that, follow my test.

1. Visit Dell.com on two different browser tabs.
2. Tab #1 starts here.http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs
3. Tab #2 starts here. http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsnb_m1330?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19 [dell.com]
4. Configure the Vista product with the ultimate version. That is roughly feature equivalent to Ubuntu.
5. Pay attention to the hardware options because the Linux product has fewer and generally more storage/RAM.
6. At the end, you should have a spread of about $349.

So, Vista costs the consumer $349 OEM through the consumer URL.

Re:Right Now, In the U.S. Vista Cost You $349 (1)

lastchance_000 (847415) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783313)

You should also account for changing exchange rates, since the original offer wasn't in USD.

Re:Right Now, In the U.S. Vista Cost You $349 (4, Insightful)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783329)

4. Configure the Vista product with the ultimate version. That is roughly feature equivalent to Ubuntu.

The point isn't to determine how much Windows Ultimate costs ($349 is probably about right), nor is it to perform a feature comparison of Windows vs. Ubuntu. The point is to determine how much the lowest 'Windows tax' is. From what we've seen, standard Windows should get you back about $130. That seems a bit high, as the OEM costs for Windows that I've heard are quite a bit lower. I wonder why they'd offer that high.

Re:Right Now, In the U.S. Vista Cost You $349 (2, Interesting)

glop (181086) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783485)

Maybe their lawyer told them they were in a bad situation and they should settle?
Maybe the guy made the story up?
Maybe they used the street price and not the OEM price because they don't want to reveal the OEM price?
Who knows, that's the marvel of Microsoft's agreements. If there was an anti-trust trial, maybe it would shed some light on these shady practices. Oh wait! There was an anti-trust trial and we still don't know...

Re:Right Now, In the U.S. Vista Cost You $349 (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783501)

Probably because the spread between Microsoft's price/computer and the reseller's is *supposed* to be how the reseller makes money.

The reseller ends up taking a direct hit likely blowing whatever margin was there away. It reminds me of how badly merchants get screwed by the banks.

Re:Right Now, In the U.S. Vista Cost You $349 (1)

Underfoot (1344699) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783531)

Can you let me know where you are sourcing your OEM Vista? There are/were good deals for OEMs on Windows XP, but I have yet to find a source that is selling anything Vista for that much less than retail.

Re:Right Now, In the U.S. Vista Cost You $349 (1)

willy_me (212994) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783351)

Hard to do a direct comparison. Notice that the wireless cards are different. There might also be other differences. But I agree with your point - the simple fact that ultimate is a $150 upgrade from the standard Vista says plenty.

Re:Right Now, In the U.S. Vista Cost You $349 (0, Flamebait)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783553)

4. Configure the Vista product with the ultimate version. That is roughly feature equivalent to Ubuntu.

Difficulty setting it up - check
Random inconsistent eye candy - check
Push their own browser - check
Unable to access various online services - check
Exchange server a pain to configure - check
Technical support quality varies widely - check
Not ready for prime time - check

Yes, I'd say they were roughly equivalent though I doubt you recognized the irony in your post

Re:Right Now, In the U.S. Vista Cost You $349 (4, Funny)

Programmer_In_Traini (566499) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783729)

But if i save 350$ buying a Ubuntu Dell box, im gonna have to spend 350$ buying vista because i can't make sense out anything on that ubuntu thing.

then ill be stuck having to install windows myself, which is just as bad.

am i not better off just paying 350 for windows on my dell and be done with it ?

hehe.

/ducks

Re:Right Now, In the U.S. Vista Cost You $349 (1)

wtfispcloadletter (1303253) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783803)

That's ~$160 more that it should be and Dell is making 100% pure profit on. Vista Ultimate OEM costs a consumer or ma-n-pa small time system builder (any of your local PC shops) $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=Vista+Ultimate+OEM&x=0&y=0 [newegg.com]

Heck, you can buy the retail version for less than $350, it's $277.49 at Newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116473 [newegg.com]

Dell is making even more profit than that because they they get Windows OEM licenses for much cheaper, or at least they use to. I don't have it handy, but I saw a spreadsheet a few years ago showing they were paying about $50 USD per license for XP Pro. Now that I'm thinking about it, that might have actually been the Germany government or some town in Germany. Wish I had that handy right now. Either way, the larger the organization, the cheaper they get software licenses for. Oh, and that was when an OEM license of XP Pro cost the consumer about $150 USD.

Vista Home Premium OEM is ~$110
Vista Business OEM is ~$140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=Vista+OEM&x=0&y=0 [newegg.com]

Re:Right Now, In the U.S. Vista Cost You $349 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783859)

I tried this on the Dell Canada site. With Ultimate, the Vista machine is a mere $30 more than the Ubuntu box with nearly identical hardware. With Vista Basic, the Windows machine comes in at $150 less than the same hardware preloaded with Ubuntu.

Re:Right so now we know the minimum (4, Interesting)

igrutje (171410) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783759)

Last week I got a refund of 83,30 euro's from Dell for Vista Home Premium Dutch and MS Works 9.0 (in the Netherlands we still can not buy Ubuntu laptops from dell).
After I got in contact with the right guy it was quite a smooth process.

Translation request - thanks (1)

The Great Pretender (975978) | more than 5 years ago | (#24782903)

Can of the /. faithful translate the published account into English or point us to a link of an existing translation?

Thanks

Re:Translation request - thanks (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783449)

Directly from the website (it appears it came in english now) :

Prague 20. 8. 2008 â" Biggest Czech Linux Portal, AbcLinuxu.cz, Reimbursed User for MS Windows License from Lenovo ÄOER.

The biggest Czech Linux portal, AbcLinuxu.cz, reimbursed a user for a MS Windows Vista Business OEM license in Lenovo ÄOER's stead. The paid amount is the same the manufacturer offered for returning the license in accordance with the EULA of the Windows Vista Business OEM software that was supplied with the Lenovo laptop. However, Lenovo ÄOER required a non-disclosure agreement to be signed that would cover the entire negotiations with the company and its results for the compensation to be effected.

Upon buying his new Lenovo computer, Mr. Kamil PÃral decided, in accordance with the EULA of the Windows Vista Business OEM software, to exercise his right to return the license for using the preinstalled operating system from Microsoft because he wanted to use Linux with the computer. The EULA specifically says:

âzBy using the software, you accept these terms. If you do not accept them, do not use the software. Instead, return it to the retailer for a refund or credit.âoe

The customer had complied with the terms of the license agreement and after some lengthy negotiations with representatives of Lenovo ÄOER's technical support and management was offered financial compensation for returning the license in the amount of CZK 1950 (USD 130, EUR 78), pending his acceptance of the non-disclosure agreement.

Mr. PÃral decided not to accept the offer under such conditions, forgo the offered compensation, and keep the license to use Windows Vista. He published an account [Czech] of his experiences on AbcLinuxu.cz. The editors of the website along with the owner (Stickfish, s. r. o.) decided to reward Mr. PÃral for publishing the article by paying him an author's royalty in the same amount as was the offered compensation for returning the license (i.e. CZK 1950).

The editors of AbcLinuxu.cz, along with many other users of Linux, BSD, and other operating systems, believe that Mr. PÃral's perseverance will lead to an improved relationship between IT manufacturers and end users, so that it will be possible to order any computer without a preinstalled operating system from Microsoft.

About AbcLinuxu.cz

AbcLinuxu.cz is a web portal with a tradition of several years. From its beginning it focused on collecting information and advice for Czech Linux users. One of its main highlights are extensive discussion forums where users find help with Linux problems of all sorts. Daily articles bring tutorials, reviews, and interesting tidbits. All that, along with records of hardware tested under Linux, and records of the best applications, forms a quality knowledge base for both a beginner, and a professional user.
About Stickfish

Stickfish is an ICT company specialising in enterprise Linux and Unix technologies. Its strategy is to supply complete solutions: from analysis of requirements and the finding of the best solution, to training and subsequent technical support or outsourcing of maintenance. Stickfish provides solutions from leading vendors such as Sun, IBM, Red Hat, Oracle, or Vmware, advanced networking products from Juniper and Cisco, and also its own highly secure and fast enterprise desktop solution, Raydesk. Stickfish operates popular electronic stores 64bit.cz, AbcHost.cz, and AbcFirewall.cz and technically oriented Internet portals AbcLinuxu.cz and ITBiz.cz.

Re:Translation request - thanks (4, Funny)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783483)

Man wants his money back for a license he did not want from a PC purchase.

Microsoft says: "Sure but you keep your fscking mouth shut when we do this"

Guy said "Eat a box of shnausages"

Guy publishes an article about his experience, gets the money anyway but not from Microsoft. /I think?

Consise and entertaining (5, Funny)

Timesprout (579035) | more than 5 years ago | (#24782921)

I especially liked this bit

Sleny operátorky na lince Lenovo byly velice milé. Po vyslechnutí mého poadavku m chtly odmítnout, ale poté, co jsem odcitoval píslunou ást licence, si vyádaly pár dní na zjitní aktuálního stavu od vedení firmy. Tím jsem se viditeln dostal o úrove vý, nebo nyní následovalo kolo telefonních rozhovor.

I dont know what it means but I like it. I think.

Re:Consise and entertaining (3, Funny)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 5 years ago | (#24782947)

That was my favorite part, too. It started off kind of slowly, but the ending was great. Maybe Stephenson could learn to write in Czech.

Re:Consise and entertaining (4, Funny)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 5 years ago | (#24782987)

Hmm.. "Sleny operators on the line Lenovo was very beautiful. After hearing my requirement m chtly refused, but after I odcitoval píslunou part of the licence, the vyádaly few days to zjitní current state of company management. Thus I got the viditeln level amount, or now, followed by round of telephone interview."

Still don't know what it means, but I agree with you.

Re:Consise and entertaining (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783189)

Slashdot mangled most of the czech chars with diacritics and all those words are untranslated. Try translating the original text.

Re:Consise and entertaining (1)

Wannabe Code Monkey (638617) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783267)

Thus I got the viditeln level amount, or now, followed by round of telephone interview.

Still don't know what it means, but I agree with you.

I know, I get these emails all the time, he's trying to sell you RiT@1iN. It's obviously a fraud though, he doesn't even spell it right.

Re:Consise and entertaining (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783567)

No, he spelled it right -- that's a new pill that contains both RiT@1iN and V1@gR@.

Re:Consise and entertaining (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783331)

"The operator girls on the Lenovo phone line were very nice. After hearing my request they wanted to reject, but after I cited them the respective part of the licence, they asked for few days to find out the current state from the company management. Obviously I got with that one level higher, as next round of phone talks started"

Re:Consise and entertaining (1)

ErichTheWebGuy (745925) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783093)

Google's Translation is even more entertaining: Sleny operators on the line Lenovo was very beautiful. After hearing my requirement m chtly refused, but after I odcitoval pÃslunou part of the licence, the vyÃdaly few days to zjitnà current state of company management. Thus I got the viditeln level amount, or now, followed by round of telephone interview.

Re:Consise and entertaining (1)

cptdondo (59460) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783495)

The young ladies answering the phones were very polite and kind (also can mean beautiful, pleaseant, friendly, all the things you want a young lady to be.)

After they listened to my request they wanted to turn me down, but when I quoted the appropriate part of the license they asked for a couple of days to get the exact status from company management.

I had apparently a high enough level (of being annoying? Persistent?) as several rounds of telephonce calls resulted.

Doesn't quite translate but Czech and English don't share the same concepts in many ways.

Anyway, the article talks about just being persistent, and getting a variety of reasons why a refund is impossible.

Re:Consise and entertaining (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783605)

A human translation:

The young ladies on the hotline were very nice. After listening to my request they wanted to refuse but after quoting the license agreement they asked for few days time to get the current policy from the management. This way I advanced to the next level because this resulted in a round of telephone calls.

Re:Consise and entertaining (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783643)

The young female operators were very nice. Having heard my request they first tried to decline, but when i cited the corresponding paragraph in the license they asked for few days to consult the HQ. So I have clearly advanced to the next level, and a new round of phone calls followed.

Re:Consise and entertaining (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783653)

I especially liked this bit

Sleny operátorky na lince Lenovo byly velice milé. Po vyslechnutí mého poadavku m chtly odmítnout, ale poté, co jsem odcitoval píslunou ást licence, si vyádaly pár dní na zjitní aktuálního stavu od vedení firmy. Tím jsem se viditeln dostal o úrove vý, nebo nyní následovalo kolo telefonních rozhovor.

I dont know what it means but I like it. I think.

Translation: In pre-pwned America, government and business act like teh king was you.

Re:Consise and entertaining (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783887)

It actually says... "The operators at the Lenovo call line were very kind. After hearing my request they were about o decline me, but after I've quoted the related part of the license agreement, they've asked for a few days to find out the current status from the management. This obviously got me one level up, for now I've entered a round of phone calls."

On the last page, you'll find out they all murdered him while the train was in the tunnel. Oops, I shouldn't have said that!

Anyone care to translate? (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 5 years ago | (#24782981)

The url for the account is buried and in Czech.
  a translation would be nice. http://www.abclinuxu.cz/clanky/pr/abclinuxu.cz-vyplatil-nahradu-za-licenci-ms-windows-misto-lenovo-cr?page=1 [abclinuxu.cz]

The last time I checked, the spread between a Vista/Linux Dell was about $200 with similar specs.

Re:Anyone care to translate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783591)

Can anyone tell me why the Dell's cost MORE with a free OS on them?

Currently, the Dell site for Canada puts aboot a $100-150 premium on machines preloaded with Ubuntu.

Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game. (4, Insightful)

coats (1068) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783007)

The EULA doesn't specify that an NDA is required for a refund, so Lenovo is trying to change the rules of the game in a way contrary to (US-style, anyway) contract law. Lenovo's action is unconscionable (and should be actionable, for that matter).

There go Lenovo's chances on my next laptop purchase.

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783175)

Why the hell is a NDA agreement required anyway? This is for a refund on a specific part of the total price. The price of Vista. Requiring a NDA for this is stupid unless you're trying to give as little away as possible - but wouldn't/shouldn't that be illegal? :P The cost of Windows on it is not subjective, it's concrete.

If it were me, and they attempted to hit me with a NDA prior to the process, I'd take them to court. Any NDA they have with microsoft is between them and microsoft. I should not be forced to accept it just to receive the LEGALLY ENTITLED REFUND I'm due. If microsoft is engaging in some sort of shady pricing schemes between it's various suppliers, that's THEIR problem, not mine.

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (3, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783477)

Why the hell is a NDA agreement required anyway? This is for a refund on a specific part of the total price. The price of Vista. Requiring a NDA for this is stupid unless you're trying to give as little away as possible - but wouldn't/shouldn't that be illegal? :P The cost of Windows on it is not subjective, it's concrete.

I think you'll find the price of vista varies quite a bit depending on who you are. A large OEM like lenovo is going to pay less than the average joe buying a box off the shelf. If you're, say, a public school system who's put some thought into switching to linux, you'll probably pay even less.

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (1)

initdeep (1073290) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783217)

The EULA also doesn't grant you the RIGHT to a refund from an OEM.

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783581)

The EULA also doesn't grant you the RIGHT to a refund from an OEM.

As much as I want to disagree with you, I'm afraid you're right.

In theory, you have by law the RIGHT for a refund, because in the first place you DON'T accept the terms of the EULA. Therefore, there's no agreement and you have NOT purchased the software in the first place.

But then again, nobody forced you to buy a Lenovo laptop if in the article purchase order it says "with Windows Vista". You bought it, you're screwed.

It's up to the Courts to decide the legality of forcing a software on you whenever you buy certain hardware.

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (2, Informative)

cawpin (875453) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783601)

No, but the OEM's agreement with MS does. MS has confirmed multiple times that customers are eligible for a refund of the cost of Windows if they aren't going to use it.

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (3, Informative)

TheRealJobe (1125771) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783259)

The EULA does not specify it is not. Lenovo, as would any reasonable business, saw this as a legal transaction with an unfamiliar party. Asking them to sign an NDA is not unreasonable. The customer could have done a simple web search and found that people have had a higher success rate going straight to MS. As I did, and found it to be a relatively simple process.

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (4, Insightful)

SQLGuru (980662) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783459)

going straight to MS

Which, incidentally, he should still be able to do, since he has not given up his license at this time. $260 is a lot better than $130. :D

Layne

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (1)

iminplaya (723125) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783261)

Foregoing the purchase of a Lenovo will also require an NDA. Well, in "Communist" China anyway.

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (2, Interesting)

aztektum (170569) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783339)

Instead of going through Lenovo, I filed a complaint with my state's AG office. I wasn't lookin' for a refund, rather physical media in case the hard drive were to fail and I could no longer use the "restore partition."

Couple weeks after my complaint is filed, I get an e-mail from Lenovo asking for my model/serial number so they can send me a disk. BUT I bought an IdeaPad which they don't have disks for.

I was like "What the? Party foul." and now they're letting me return the IdeaPad sans restock fee so I can purchase a Thinkpad.

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (1)

atari2600 (545988) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783363)

Lenovo offers laptops with Suse preinstalled (I wiped it and installed Ubuntu but I digress) that are actually cheaper than similar Windows offerings.

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (1)

azgard (461476) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783869)

Do you have a link? This would be interesting - I doubt that people on one of the two biggest Linux portals in Czechia wouldn't know that it's possible to buy Lenovo laptop with Linux.

My guess is even if they did, they won't do it here in Czechia. Asus also doesn't offer its EEE PC 901 with Linux here, for some strange reason.

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (0, Troll)

bignetbuy (1105123) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783435)

Oh BS. Go buy a Dell then. Passing up a high-quality, feature-packed laptop over some NDA requirement is just being silly.

Re:Requiring NDA is changing the rules of the game (1)

japhering (564929) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783661)

I wouldn't be surprised if the EULA didn't have a unilateral amendment clause just so Lenovo could do this.

The real question: (3, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783105)

Where does the desire for the NDA come from and why?

Is it Lenovo? If so, is it some sort of routine ass-covering procedure that doesn't make all that much sense? Or is it something that applies to all "there is a not too well known way to get some money from us, we'll do it; but don't popularize it" situations?

Is it Microsoft? They have been historically tight lipped about their OEM agreements and prices, are they attempting to discourage indirect indicators like this one?

Re:The real question: (4, Insightful)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783221)

The reason for an NDA is actually fairly obvious. Lenovo's probably eating the cost of the license in this case, and the last thing that it wants is for Czechoslovakians to realize that they can get 78 Euro off of the price of a laptop simply by asking.

Re:The real question: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783279)

I would imagine they're trying to not set a precedent.

Having attempted to do similar in the UK and been told by the retailer that it was the manufacturer's problem, by the manufacturer that it was Microsoft's problem and by Microsoft that it was the retailer's problem. I eventually got to talk to someone who said I couldn't get a refund on the software because I wouldn't be returning the software, only the license, and this was apparently not worth anything.

They would not send me this in writing.

The only english story on the site (4, Interesting)

krgallagher (743575) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783117)

[disclaimer]I love the Czech. I have family there and have been to the Czech Republic a couple of time.[/disclaimer]

I wonder why on a Czech web portal, that one news article was in English. I did a little looking around trying to see if I could find any other pages in English but that was the only one. It was also the only one that had a /. submit script on it. Even the Czech version [abclinuxu.cz] of the story did not have the script.

Re:The only english story on the site (5, Informative)

LubosD (909058) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783725)

The article was published in English, because it was found interesting for people outside the Czech Republic. We have published several other articles in English so far, typically interviews, but it's always an exception.

Re:The only english story on the site (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783745)

This obviously means that slashdot is being paid to post stories. Digg does it, I Don't see any reason Slashdot would be different.

'course, doesn't mean I like.

Czech chicks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783907)

are also really, extremely hot. My understanding is that any of them could be Playboy centerfolds. Is that true?

The best part (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783199)

This way he can still use Windows!

Big deal (5, Insightful)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783201)

The website editors decided to reward the customer for publishing the article by paying him an author's royalty in the same amount as was the offered compensation for returning the license.

Meanwhile, Microsoft still got paid for a product that was completely unwanted and unused. This is a great example of the Microsoft Tax in action. Even when their new operating system is a disaster and people refuse to use it, they still get paid, purely on the basis of their market position. This is the kind of reason why Microsoft should be subject to antitrust laws. Normal market forces just don't apply to them.

Re:Big deal (4, Insightful)

TeXMaster (593524) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783417)

And this is the reason why we have to keep forcing OEMs to refund: if they have to keep paying twice (Microsoft *and* the customer) they'll be pushed into understanding that giving the choice to the customer to only pay for hardware is the best solution in the long run.

Re:Big deal (4, Interesting)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783447)

And then what? Microsoft just can't be stopped short of using actual force, military, police, or otherwise. They have too much money to give a damn about any fine short of forcing them to pay off the national debt and they're too big for the govt to just say "Nope, you can't see shit anymore".

The only real way to get at them I think would be to offer the equivalent of modern day letters of marque against microsoft and tell everyone "Pirate their shit".

Re:Big deal (1)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783781)

I actually like Vista on my OS. But what I don't like is that it comes bundled with a TCP/IP stack. Since I have my own, I'd prefer that they give me a partial refund for that part.

As a former Vista user who now loathes it (1)

vistahator (1330955) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783333)

I applaud this guy. I don't read Czech so I don't know what he died to separate M$ from their cash but I'm sure he never booted into windows and declined the EULA for starts. He probably also bought directly from Lenovo and not a reseller. My recent laptop purchase was a good deal but it would have been almost a steal if I was discounted the M$ Shitsa tax of $130.

If it sounds and smells like a monopoly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783433)

It must be M$.

Fuck the fucking impotent European Commission and the DOJ with no balls.

Spend your refund on this!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24783493)

Spoooooz Tooolz

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SPZI.PK

Czech? (5, Funny)

Sporkinum (655143) | more than 5 years ago | (#24783539)

The website editors decided to reward the customer for publishing the article by paying him an author's royalty in the same amount as was the offered compensation for returning the license."

Lenovo tried to cancel the Czech. Did the editors pay the Czech with a check? I guess I should TRFM and Czech it out.

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