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Hans Reiser Gets Sentence of 15-To-Life

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the bye-now dept.

The Courts 553

mallumax writes "Hans Reiser was today handed a prison sentence of 15-to-life for murdering his wife. Earlier this year, he pleaded guilty and led police to his wife's body. His jury trial concluded in April with Reiser's first-degree murder conviction. That carries a 25-to-life term, but the authorities, in a backroom deal, later offered him 15-to-life if he produced his wife's body and waived any rights to appeal his conviction." Several other readers contributed coverage at SFGate.

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Linux is for Murderers (0, Troll)

Fanboy Fantasies (917592) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806225)

fucking hippies

Re:Linux is for Murderers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806331)

apparently you have never heard of EvilEntity [distrowatch.com]

Re:Linux is for Murderers (1)

Real1tyCzech (997498) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806537)

The distro no longer exists (try following the URL to the homepage listed).

FAIL.

Try to be objective, everybody. (5, Insightful)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806261)

And remember that both the conviction and the sentence were handed down by people who know far more about the case than any of us. And 'reasonable doubt' is different than 'complete mathematical certainty.'

Re:Try to be objective, everybody. (5, Insightful)

bigstrat2003 (1058574) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806321)

I honestly don't know how anyone could think he's realistically innocent. He pointed them to his wife's body, confessed, not to mention the fact that there was already enough evidence to convict him at the trial. Sure, it's not a mathematical certainty, but justice never is.

Re:Try to be objective, everybody. (5, Funny)

david@ecsd.com (45841) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806343)

By my calculations, it ceases to be "reasonable doubt" and veers off into "complete mathematical certainty" when they use phrases like "Reiser's chilling confession," and "led authorities to [the body]".

But, then again, I'm not a mathematician...

...but I did watch a lot of Matlock when I was younger.

Re:Try to be objective, everybody. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806397)

He could be lying about it, for example to cover up for someone else, who told him afterwards where the body was hidden. I'm not saying it's likely, but certainly it is possible. Mathematics concerns things which are KNOWN to be true, based on certain initial facts and rules of inference. "mathematical certainty" is not just saying "it's really, really likely", it is saying "it is true". There is no "beyond all reasonable doubt" in mathematics!

Re:Try to be objective, everybody. (2)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806543)

The key word is "reasonable". There could be some doubt based on the remote possibility that aliens from the planet Zorg abducted his wife and fucked up his car to frame him, but you could hardly call that doubt "reasonable".

Re:Try to be objective, everybody. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806583)

Mathematics concerns things which are KNOWN to be true...

Are you sure of that?

Re:Try to be objective, everybody. (4, Funny)

garbletext (669861) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806609)

There is no "beyond all reasonable doubt" in mathematics!

Or statistics...

Re:Try to be objective, everybody. (0, Troll)

afabbro (33948) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806689)

By my calculations, it ceases to be "reasonable doubt" and veers off into "complete mathematical certainty" when they use phrases like "Reiser's chilling confession," and "led authorities to [the body]".

I've always thought that if you allocute, we should electrocute...

(Spare me the stories of innocents released even though they confessed. My rule would also improve the gene pool. If you're dumb enough to confess to a murder...)

Re:Try to be objective, everybody. (4, Funny)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806785)

By my calculations, it ceases to be "reasonable doubt" and veers off into "complete mathematical certainty" when they use phrases like "Reiser's chilling confession," and "led authorities to [the body]".

Those do raise a good deal of suspicion, but what convinced me in this case was: "And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling kids and your dog!"

Re:Try to be objective, everybody. (2, Interesting)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806377)

I don't think reasonable doubt enters into it in this case. Clearly, if he can lead you to the body, he probably had something to do with the murder. The reason he got a reduced sentence is for cooperating with authorities after the fact to produce the body, thus giving her relatives some measure of closure. Plus, the agreement to not seek appeals will end up saving the legal system (and thus taxpayers) some money.

Whether or not cooperating after you've already been found guilty is worthy of a reduced sentence is open for debate, but the idea that reasonable doubt as to his guilt somehow plays into the sentence is not really accurate at this juncture.

Re:Try to be objective, everybody. (1)

astrocrack (1094333) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806571)

I think the reasonable doubt was referring to what would have happened if he had never lead them to the body. He did get a reduced sentence but would it have been possible for him to get away with murder?

what are you talking about? (1)

ghostunit (868434) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806515)

Didn't he prove himself to be the culprit by revealing the location of the corpse? There's no reasonable doubt here, it's certain he did it?

Re:what are you talking about? (3, Insightful)

Orange Crush (934731) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806695)

I think OP meant that there's a difference between "beyond a reasonable doubt and mathematical certainty."

So while Reiser's guilt is not a mathematical certainty, it's well beyond what a reasonable person could have any serious doubts over considering how the case played out. From the prosecution's perspective, it was a win--they can feel confident they put the guilty person behind bars and saved the taxpayers the expense of a long court battle and appeals process.

Re:Try to be objective, everybody. (4, Funny)

Plutonite (999141) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806803)

I haven't laughed so hard in a while. Do you realize, kind sir, that you are asking slashdot to basically pack up and go on vacation?

Objectivity. Distinction between conviction and sentence judgements. People more knowledgable than us. Discarding of mathematical certainty.

Well, I forgive you: it is Friday night, you'll see you error tomorrow morning..

I think he got a pretty good deal out of it (5, Funny)

barocco (1168573) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806265)

I mean, not only he shortened his potential jail time by producing his dead wife, he also lengthened his life expectancy by producing a dead wife.

My experince with the law (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806269)

I'm not trying to defend my actions; but I honestly don't feel I was in the wrong here. After my mother posted bail ($35,000!) I have a few months before any more tough shit happens, and my public defender said I can talk about it as long as I change the names.

Anywho, I was driving down 495 to Providence when an Asian-American Woman driver cut me off. Now, I'm not racist, but my blood did boil a tad when I saw exactly what kind of person it was. Like fulfilling a stereotype that is obviously wrong, but I was angry that they fulfilled the stereotype. I wasn't seeing red or anything but I was deffinitely not happy.

I blame my father. He taught me the code of Massachusetts drivers: 1. Defend your honor. This means tailing those flip you off, act like an asshole, etc. 2. Drive fast. This is vital and ensures you get to your location quick. 3. NEVER let someone cut you off.

Naturally the way I was raised had an immediate affect on this greivous error by the Asian-American lady driver. I turned on Deffcon 3 and tailed them in the standard way; aka getting right on their ass and flashing my brights on-off for 30 or 45 seconds. This is where things go wrong.

The car SLAMMED ON IT'S BRAKES. I am not kidding. I swerved to the right and just barely avoided contact. The driver then sped off and THREW A COFFEE CUP OUT THE WINDOW. It didn't come near my car but I know the intent, and I'm pretty sure it will aid in my upcoming defense trial.

Anywho, I bring it up to Deffcon 5. I slam the gas and pass the woman, then cut her off. I then throw the car in neutral so I slow down without break lights, ensuring they have no warning. The lady hits the back of my car and her airbag deploys. Apparantly she broke both her wrists and fractured a rib, but her airbag naturally saved her life.

I keep driving because my car is fine and I was certain I did not have the obligation to stop. 10 or so miles later I'm pulled over by the Rhode Island state tropper and cuffed, and they tell me several other drivers witnessed the whole thing and I'm screwed. They take me to the station, mugshots, pictures, some bullshit reporter for some local daily even asked me a few questions and I basically told him to fuck off. They try to interrorgate me and I keep my mouth shut, even using that famous Goodfellas line and saying "what, you gonna bing bang boom me?" and moved my arms around, but they didn't laugh (lol). A few hours later my mom picks me up and says "you're moving with your aunti and uncle in bel air" I whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said "fresh" and had dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare, but I thought now forget it, yo home to bel-air! I pulled up to a house about seven or eight, And I yelled to the cabby "yo home, smell ya later!". Looked at my kingdom I was finally there, to settle my throne as the prince of bel-air.

Re:My experince with the law (2, Informative)

thatskinnyguy (1129515) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806371)

Had you at least seen War Games, you would know that your Defcons are backwards. Defcon 5 = Peace Defcon 1 = Nuclear War

Re:My experince with the law (0)

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Re:My experince with the law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806505)

If this is all true, you are clearly a spoiled child and a fucking menace. You are also offtopic.

Re:My experince with the law (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806813)

Bel-Air meme [encycloped...matica.com] (NSFW)

The "Fresh Prince" reference was good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806635)

The "Fresh Prince" reference was good.

It was OffTopic, but no Troll

Re:My experince with the law (1)

ahankinson (1249646) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806651)

I was going to comment on how much of a douchebag you were, but then I got bel-aired.
stupid memes.

Re:My experince with the law (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806675)

A few hours later my mom picks me up and says "you're moving with your aunti and uncle in bel air" I whistled for a cab and when it came near, the license plate said "fresh" and had dice in the mirror. If anything I could say that this cab was rare, but I thought now forget it, yo home to bel-air! I pulled up to a house about seven or eight, And I yelled to the cabby "yo home, smell ya later!". Looked at my kingdom I was finally there, to settle my throne as the prince of bel-air.

That was a weak attempt at a Bel-Air. You sir, FAIL! No internets for you!

Fuck You, Hans Reiser (-1, Flamebait)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806279)

Now let's hope some fellow inmate does what needs to be done, and puts an end to this vile piece of garbage.

Re:Fuck You, Hans Reiser (4, Funny)

cushdan (949520) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806315)

what would batman do?

Re:Fuck You, Hans Reiser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806341)

I bet you that his fellow inmates are even worse than Reiser thought.

Mass suicide?

Re:Fuck You, Hans Reiser (1)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806361)

His sentence wasn't the death penalty, so quit hoping for murder O just one.

Re:Fuck You, Hans Reiser (3, Informative)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806617)

Being incarcerated in America, especially California, is usually a death sentence no matter what you were convicted of.

Re:Fuck You, Hans Reiser (1)

afabbro (33948) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806697)

Being incarcerated in America, especially California, is usually a death sentence no matter what you were convicted of.

Plus, all prison sentences also come with a special side order of sodomy. "Worst part of the deal and the judge doesn't even mention it!"

Re:Fuck You, Hans Reiser (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806847)

Being incarcerated in America, especially California, is usually a death sentence no matter what you were convicted of.

Are you being sarcastic? If not, and you're serious, I should probably mention that that's not true. Not even close.

Re:Fuck You, Hans Reiser (5, Insightful)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806531)

Now let's hope some fellow inmate does what needs to be done, and puts an end to this vile piece of garbage.

You are no better than him if you are advocating someone murder him. One murder does not justify another.

Re:Fuck You, Hans Reiser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806721)

He has some major ass poundage coming to him as they prey on weak guys like these. Unless he lets it be known the first week that nobody should mess with him, his cellmate will likely betray him and use him as another pawn.

It is sad that happens in prison, but thats the cold hard truth.

Re:Fuck You, Hans Reiser (1)

The Fanta Menace (607612) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806845)

Why doesn't anyone see a problem with this? It's one thing to incarcerate someone, but to have torture (ie, rape) thrown into the mix is a cruel and inhumane punishment for anyone, yet society seems to merely make light of this.

Why can't prisons keep all prisoners separate from one another (one per cell) to prevent this from happening?

Huh? (-1, Flamebait)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806283)

And this is "news for nerds" because...?

OK we've all wanted to kill our wives at some point (at least those of us that made it out of the basement), but I fail to see why it's on slashdot.

Re:Huh? (1)

davmoo (63521) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806325)

Um...you've never heard of the Reiser File System in Linux? I'll give you three guesses who created it.

That's what makes this "news for nerds".

As for everyone's comments in the SFGate article, and probably soon to appear here, that "15 years isn't enough" and the like, remember that is only the amount of time that he has to wait for a parole opportunity. There is no certainty that he will ever actually make parole, and he could very well end up spending the rest of his life locked up.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806423)

Um...you've never heard of the Reiser File System in Linux? I'll give you three guesses who created it.

Paul Reiser [wikipedia.org] ? Wow, I guess his acting career went down the tubes after Mad About You was canceled.

Re:Huh? (1)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806329)

Because he's the guy in charge of a major Linux filesystem? (Just a guess)

Re:Huh? (1)

eric_ste (446052) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806337)

I assume you are kidding right? Or Mayby this is news only for the really nerds....

So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (4, Interesting)

jerkychew (80913) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806285)

I understand that it was probably in everyone's best interest to produce Nina's body, but I can't help but feel that Hans was essentially rewarded for hiding it so well. His sentence was reduced from 25-to-live to 15-to-life just for leading police to where he buried her.

Still, glad to see this soap opera is over.

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (1)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806349)

It happens at times that real loonies come to believe they have done things that they really haven't done. Sometimes very convincingly. The deal was there because for a sure conviction, they needed him to roll on himself. 15 is better than nothing for someone of this caliber.

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (3, Insightful)

something_wicked_thi (918168) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806615)

That's idiotic. They already had a conviction. They made the deal so they would have the body for the victim's family, and so they could avoid appellate court.

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (5, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806381)

He was offered only 3 years if he plead manslaughter. He refused. 15 to life (which means that he has a life sentence and is eligible for parole in 15 years) seems like a pretty good choice. Especially if he does reform. Society earns nothing by keeping him locked away longer if a parole board feels he's fit to leave. 15 years means that he's going to miss out on potentially some of the most interesting parts of what could have been his life. So it's not as if he will not learn anything.

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (3, Insightful)

rahvin112 (446269) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806473)

He voluntarily killed and disposed of the body of the mother of his children. There isn't room in society for people that do that. Murder is that red line that we let far too many people get away with. I take more of the old bible view of murder, it's just not acceptable under any circumstance and the people that do it shouldn't be allowed around the rest of us ever again.

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (2, Insightful)

Firehed (942385) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806631)

If only the "holy war" types would make that same connection...

Regardless I wouldn't claim it to be quite that black and white, but then it also depends whether you consider murder to be taking a life under any circumstances or just under the legalese definitions/circumstances.

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806633)

He voluntarily killed and disposed of the body of the mother of his children. There isn't room in society for people that do that. Murder is that red line that we let far too many people get away with. I take more of the old bible view of murder, it's just not acceptable under any circumstance and the people that do it shouldn't be allowed around the rest of us ever again.

Well that's because nowadays life is cheap. As witnessed by how may pro-choice idiots in the world there are.

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (4, Insightful)

jd (1658) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806601)

He is able to write, so technically he can help the community - say by documenting Reiser4, or writing down some of his ideas. True, it's not as good as if he was in the outside world, but it's better than nothing. Personally, I think criminals who have verifiable mental issues would be better in a hospital (with equal confinement and punitive measures, but focussed on curative action). Those who have committed crimes they are unlikely to repeat, possibly including Hans, might be better off in a smaller, more secure, facility intended for rehabilitation. Purely punitive systems should really be restricted to those who are unwilling to change except under duress. And, frankly, I don't think there are many such people. There was a good blog discussion about that on the BBC website recently, with a lot of hostility from prison guards, prison governers and social workers to Victorian-style systems except as a last-resort, and not much more patience for the panoptican idea (a prison where a central warden can see into every cell directly from a central station.-

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (1)

afabbro (33948) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806703)

Of course, your ideas completely the ability of families, etc. to have any justice.

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (5, Funny)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806811)

Of course, your ideas completely the ability of families, etc. to have any justice.

Your post seems to have been of some of its words.

It's also good because (3, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806647)

He can't appeal. That is part of pretty much any plea: You have to allocute to the crime (testify as to the details under oath) and wave the right to appeal.

Even if he had no real chance at winning an appeal, he could cost the government a lot of time and money by filing appeals.

That another reason that prosecutors like getting plea bargains. When you admit you did it, you generally have to accept the consequences and don't get to appeal later. Thus even in the case of some courtroom convictions, they are willing to make a deal similar to this. You don't get away with it, but if you'll own up to what you did and relinquish the right to contest your conviction, you get a lighter sentence.

Plus, of course, closure is important to the family and friends. I'm sure there are people out there who loved Nina Reiser. Knowing for sure what happened and being able to have a funeral goes a long way.

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (5, Informative)

quisxt (462797) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806731)

Your chances of being paroled if you are a "to life" convicted murderer in California are extremely low. Reiser will probably stay in prison for the rest of his life.

From a story in the LA Times [latimes.com] :

"The parole board grants release dates to a relative few. Schwarzenegger vetoes most releases approved by the parole board, as did his predecessor, Gov. Gray Davis. Since taking office, Schwarzenegger has allowed 191 lifers to leave prison -- about 1% of more than 16,000 who had parole hearings."

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (1)

syousef (465911) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806795)

He was offered only 3 years if he plead manslaughter. He refused.

People go on and on about how intelligent he was. Clearly not so much. He killed his wife. He did a piss poor job of trying to cover it up (so bad he would have been convicted without the body). He refused a plea bargain that would have given him most of his life back. These are not the actions of a rational intelligent person. His intelligence is clearly limited to computers and specifically file systems.

I'll be interested to hear if he's allowed access to computers in prison. Not sure how your jail systems work, nor sure how I'd feel about it, but it would be interesting.

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806385)

It's not over until he sells the rights to Lifetime and they make a movie about him always being a crazed killer, Nina being a wonderful wife but weak and easy to victimize, and Nina's ex-boyfriend as a loving, caring, but completely ineffectual man who gets framed for the murder.

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (1)

Columcille (88542) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806499)

It might have been in part something for the families. Odd as it might sound, it would be much harder for them to have to bury an empty casket. Having a body to bury tends to help people deal with it a bit better.

Re:So he was rewarded for hiding her body? (2, Insightful)

stygar (539704) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806501)

Yes, it sucks that he was still able to plead down from the sentence he should get, but it's not just about punishing him. The deal included him confessing and waiving his right to appeal, so it all ends now. What's it worth to not have him game the appeals system for a decade? Or to avoid having to drag his kids into court to testify again in a new trial three or five years down the road? Or for Nina's family to finally be able to bury her? Or to keep her body from being found by some kids next summer?

reduction to 15 years is hardly a "reward" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806807)

After those 15 years are up, you'll know that another ten years would make no difference in what you've become.

99 to Life (1, Funny)

FatRatBastard (7583) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806293)

To bad it wasn't 99 to life. Could have played some kick-ass Social Distortion in honor of the sentence.

Backroom-Deal! (0)

Korbeau (913903) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806305)

Backroom-Deal! Backroom-Deal! (on the air of Ballroom Blitz)

Statement of Hans Reiser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806327)

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/file/confession.pdf [wired.com]

Unpleasant, to say the least.

Re:Statement of Hans Reiser (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806435)

that URL should be
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/files/confession.pdf [wired.com]

and oh, it is sad:

    While the kids are sleeping, Hans is digging a grave for Nina. He comes home "and I was exhausted ... [the kids] would mercilessly jump on my belly and demand that I play with them."

Quotations from the fair Hans Reiser (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806517)

"this is the kind of choke that people who have no martial skills at all would employ and uhm, and yet it uh, uh, was completely painless for her. It's the least painful way to die"

"uh, she was leaking blood from the nose. I think that people, when they die, leak blood from the nose."

to get Nina out of the way, Hans had "to come up with something better than these two garbage bags that weren't working. And I put her in the duffel bag before uhm, carrying her up the stairs but it was kind of obvious the duffel bag wasn't suitable either because it wasn't waterproof"

Terms of his imprisonment... (5, Interesting)

skogs (628589) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806345)

Most interesting to the geek community is this: What are the terms of his imprisonment? 1) Will he have fairly regular internet access? 2) Will he be allowed to type...perhaps code some? 3) Inmates are regularly allowed to read all they want and take skills courses and learn new crafts...does this extend to a geek's leanings? With one's wife already gone...one would have a great deal of peace coding...especially if all your meals were provided at regular times and you were guaranteed a fairly clean set of sheets to sleep on. While I do not advocate killing anybody...it does have advantages if you were a hardcore geek. It would be like college, except without all that silly dating and learning. Just sit in your new 'dorm' room and code.

Re:Terms of his imprisonment... (4, Interesting)

VoidEngineer (633446) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806395)

I was thinking something along the same lines. 15 years of dedicated time to work on a project might result in a hell of a product. If he gets access to a laptop and plans it out carefully, in 15 years time he could walk out of prison and have jobs waiting for him. Hell, somebody as smart as Reiser could probably start up a business from inside jail.

Re:Terms of his imprisonment... (1)

skogs (628589) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806627)

I would consider it 'donating time' and 'performing community service'. Just in a far different manner than most.

Re:Terms of his imprisonment... (1)

VoidEngineer (633446) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806735)

I wonder if working on open source projects could be counted as "performing community service"?

Re:Terms of his imprisonment... (1)

ShadowRangerRIT (1301549) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806401)

I don't know. I'd think the prison version of "dating" would not be to too many people's liking. In many ways prison is nice: it's got free room and board, reading material; if it weren't for the other prisoners, it'd be paradise.

Re:Terms of his imprisonment... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806815)

There's dating in college? Shit what have I been missing out on?!

Wow (4, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806357)

I just don't know what to say about this. It's sad, upsetting, and yet just at the same time. On one hand I'm happy (can that even be the right word?) to see that he repented. On the other hand, I'm frightened by the thought that he killed her over a flippant remark about taking the kids to the doctor. On one hand it's also good that he didn't get off with a 3 year sentence, yet you can't help but feel for the fact that his own arrogance got him into this trouble.

Worst of all, events like this always create ugly questions in one's mind. e.g. It's a natural reaction to assume that murders are people who would stand out as a societal misfit. Someone who you would never place trust in or respect. Yet here we have an instance of someone that I had previously respected and was even considering contacting (partly because of several pushes from acquaintances) to work out new possible uses for Reiser's filesystem.

That's a very unsettling thought. If we cannot trust even the basic morality of people who have worked hard for their measures of respect in today's global community, who can we trust?

The whole thing is just... sad.

Re:Wow (3, Insightful)

anagama (611277) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806747)

First -- why is this marked redundant? This is just some guy's personal thinking on the subject (granted there's a grammatical glitch in the first sentence, but this is Slashdot, not Harper's Review, and who here hasn't posted without proofing?).

Anyway, regarding murder over a flippant remark: This was the last trigger in an acrimonious divorce where both parties used the kids as pawns in their own games. Murders happen in such circumstances all the time because of the buildup of mutual anger over the years -- that's why he was offered manslaughter the first time around. Nobody thinks he'd commit murder over a flippant remark in normal circumstances, it's the emotional trainwreck built up behind that remark which snapped him.

Few of us are immune from going overboard. Most of us don't kill but most of us have probably blown up verbally and regretted it later at least one time in our lifetimes. Sometimes it can go farther. One of my girlfriends once choked me to the point of dizziness (out of anger, nothing kinky going on) over some remark so slight I can't even recall what it was. Fortunately, we split up, she got married and has kids. I truly don't think she is a psycho murderess at heart -- she was just royally pissed off -- we were so wrong in every way. It happens. And I'm not innocent either, I tried to smother her with a pillow in my sleep (I have no memory of this, she told me about it the next day and I believe she was telling the truth -- I've always been a sleep walker/talker). Obviously our relationship could not be described as "healthy". Makes for some good stories though.

I'm sure the /. cognoscenti would have said (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806399)

he deserves the death penalty if he worked at Microsoft...

Pleaded? Really? (1)

whyareallthenamestak (892876) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806417)

Come on editors.

I know, I know. It's redundant.

Re:Pleaded? Really? (1)

joranbelar (567325) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806701)

Both "pleaded" and "pled" are acceptable past tense forms of the verb "to plead". In fact, "pleaded" is by far the more common term, especially in legal situations.

Re:Pleaded? Really? (1)

whyareallthenamestak (892876) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806767)

Well I feel stupid now. Thanks for the correction. To me it just doesn't sound right to say pleaded.

Shit! (1)

speedingant (1121329) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806421)

Uhhh, I'm guessing that my UnRaid [lime-technology.com] will be needing a new filesystem pretty soon then!

Re:Shit! (1)

Kristoph (242780) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806573)

Why?

If Linus was found guilty of a heinous crime, would we all be looking for a new OS? (Or, err, those of us who use Linux I mean.)

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Re:Shit! (1)

speedingant (1121329) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806761)

As no-one really knows how to develop it now, I'm guessing they won't want to keep an unsupported filesystem running anymore.

ZFS might be a viable option

ffs cant we lock up the real criminals (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806437)

ffs cant we lock [wikipedia.org] up [wikipedia.org] the [wikipedia.org] real [wikipedia.org] criminals [wikipedia.org] ??

Who cares if he killed his wife (0, Troll)

vistahator (1330955) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806443)

He's still a hero in my book!

The good of the many (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806485)

What if one death was a worthy price to pay for ReiserFS, and that more people will benefit from having it continue to be developed than were harmed by Reiser's alleged murder of his wife?

Ah, situational amorality, I love thee dearly.

Re:The good of the many (1)

Real1tyCzech (997498) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806587)

Alleged?

Really?

Convicted. Confessed. Showed them where he hid the body.

I think we're *well* past "alleged" there, sparky.

My rights online? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806521)

Seriously, what was the logic behind filing it under YRO?

Re:My rights online? (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806603)

Because clearly this is just more activist judges infringing on a husband's right to murder his wife. Uh, online. Or something.

OK, to be serious, it's because the "Your Rights Online" section has kind of devolved into "Stuff Involving the Legal System." I'm assuming it got placed here because one of its topics is "The Courts" and that anything with that topic automatically gets placed in "Your Rights Online."

Although the search of "The Courts" stories [slashdot.org] seems to disprove that theory.

Regardless, the whole transition from "Your Rights Online" to "random things involving the legal system" remains true. Whenever you see "your rights online" think "legal stuff."

15 years? (1)

fireheadca (853580) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806529)

Good. Now we can get down to work.

Filesystems don't write themselves you know.

He should have gotten the chair (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806541)

He subjected his wife and the mother of his children to systematic verbal and emotional abuse, and then topped it off by topping her off.

His children will now grow up without their mother.

He should have gotten the chair.

At least he isn't going to be having an easy time of it. All those beatings he got on the playground as a youngster are about to seem like the happiest times of his life.

Not only will he surely become the whiniest prison bitch to ever set foot on the block (Pee-Wee Herman goes inside), he'll also be the favorite punching bag in the yard and a human ashtray (Cigarettes burn at 580 C). This will be ample payback for the abuse he subjected his wife to before he killed her, though still not punishment enough.

The taxpayers are going to spend at least 15 years keeping him alive when a bullet to the back of the head would be virtually free, especially if you make him dig is own grave beforehand.

Remember kids, murdering the woman you promised to love and cherish and who gave you two children is EVIL.

Re:He should have gotten the chair (2, Insightful)

justinlee37 (993373) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806619)

Remember kids, murdering the woman you promised to love and cherish and who gave you two children is EVIL.

Why don't we pick more philosophically neutral terminology, like, "murdering ... is destructive" or "murdering ... is wasteful?" Those are words that everyone can understand. "EVIL," on the other hand, is a subjective idea that lacks a commonly-held operational definition.

Re:He should have gotten the chair (2, Funny)

Standard User 79 (1209050) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806725)

Why don't we pick more philosophically neutral terminology, like, "murdering ... is destructive" or "murdering ... is wasteful?" Those are words that everyone can understand. "EVIL," on the other hand, is a subjective idea that lacks a commonly-held operational definition.

Yes lets save the word 'evil' for things that everyone can understand... like DRM and Microsoft. Evil!!!

Re:He should have gotten the chair (5, Insightful)

Obyron (615547) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806681)

Because only in the freest country on earth are prison rape, gang beatings, and physical torture at the hands of sadistic miscreants NOT considered cruel and unusual! I have a hard time believing my fellow Americans are any more decent than the prisoners they say they hate when they talk about how so and so deserves to be raped in the showers. People are fucking disgusting.

Re:He should have gotten the chair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806693)

Prison cells come with benches, not chairs.

Re:He should have gotten the chair (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806717)

He should have gotten the chair.

i know just the man [microsoft.com]

Re:He should have gotten the chair (1)

fireheadca (853580) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806743)

Comon, he was just defragging. Okay Okay, it is wrong, yes i know, i just don't want to admit to it.

Re:He should have gotten the chair (-1, Troll)

anagama (611277) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806789)

Don't get too far into the "EVIL" game. Nina was no angel either.

Hans can has hugs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806557)

nearly all the jurors from his trial earlier this year were seated in the front row of the gallery. When they saw one another, they exchanged hugs.

No hugs for Hans? That's just rude.

so everyone who defended him (4, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806623)

simply because he wrote a file system

are you ready to examine prejudice at work in your mind?

many scowl at black people who defend oj simpson simply out of racial affinity

well now you know, in your mind, is the same process at work

Re:so everyone who defended him (1)

xstonedogx (814876) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806753)

I am sure that one guy who defended Reiser simply because of ReiserFS is doing his best to parse your non sequitur.

Re:so everyone who defended him (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806819)

She decided to cuckold her old man. OJ was not married to Nicole, he was not much more than a stalker obsessed with his ex.... and he murdered another person who just was unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Whether Mr. Reiser was a prick or not (which I think he is). She could have divorced him, but instead decided to screw his friend and play the role of the stereotype russian bride. Getting dragged through the mud is a mitigating circumstance in this matter (put yourself in his shoes, before he murdered her). I always thought he was guilty.

Well... (1, Funny)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806641)

At least he'll have a lot of time to work on Reiser FS v5. :D

About saving the code... (1)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 5 years ago | (#24806665)

Frankly, while it's sad that people hurt each other, personally the loss of a (to me) random life among billions is not something I have time to worry about. I offering my condolences to the family of the deceased and leave it at that.

On the other hand, the ReiserFS / Reiser4 code is something I feel could be worth saving still. But will the stigma of the Reiser name hamper any efforts to keep the project alive?

Maybe it could be worthwhile to rename / fork the project under a totally new name, as to disassociate the code from this unfortunate event.

And frankly, the MurderFS joke is old by now...

i know! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24806777)

Hey, I know! Maybe we could recycle all the journal jokes from the last 8 threads about Reiser!

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