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The Sun Has First Spotless Month Since 1913

timothy posted about 6 years ago | from the doctor-which-spf-should-I-choose-now? dept.

Space 571

radioweather writes "August 2008 has made solar history. As of 00 UTC September 1st 2008 (5PM PST) we just witnessed the first spotless calendar month since June 1913.This was determined according to sunspot data from NOAA's National Geophysical Data Center, which goes back to 1749. In the 95 years since 1913, we've had quite an active sun, but activity has been declining in the last few years. The sun today is a nearly featureless sphere and has been spotless for 42 days total, but this is the first full calendar month since 1913 for a spotless sun. And there are other indicators of the sun being in a funk. Australia's space weather agency recently revised their solar cycle 24 forecast, pushing the expected date for a ramping up of cycle 24 sunspots into the future by six months." As one of the links above indicate, there was a "sunspeck" reported August 21/22, though. Reader MikeyTheK adds a link to a story at Daily Tech on the spotless record.

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The real reason this is News for Nerds (5, Funny)

dkleinsc (563838) | about 6 years ago | (#24842819)

The sun has discovered the best acne medication in the universe.

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (4, Insightful)

Macthorpe (960048) | about 6 years ago | (#24843001)

All joking aside, does anyone else get the feeling they're changing the definition of a sunspot just so they can claim it was a spotless month?

"Sunspeck" my arse.

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (3, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | about 6 years ago | (#24843201)

Of course. We have to show everyone that global warming is caused by a lack of sunspots, rather than the more obvious problem of excessive greenhouse gases. After all, the Earth is about be destroyed in the Rapture anyways, so why do we care?

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (5, Funny)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 6 years ago | (#24843427)

I blame Geroge Bush for all this. Notice this report is out and FEMA hasn't responded yet.

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843955)

After all, the Earth is about be destroyed in the Rapture anyways, so why do we care?

Would be funny if it wasn't true - my mother-in-law just told me that global warming doesn't matter because when the world ends it will be an act of God and there will be nothing we can do about it anyway. The implications of this worldview are frightening.

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (1)

Serenissima (1210562) | about 6 years ago | (#24843273)

Not to mention that it should probably be titled "It's been a spotless month, from the part of the sun that we can actually see - I mean, who knows what's happening on the other side?"

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843399)

Well, the sun does rotate in 25-36 days (25 days at equator and 36 days at the poles).

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | about 6 years ago | (#24843417)

Not to mention that it should probably be titled "It's been a spotless month, from the part of the sun that we can actually see - I mean, who knows what's happening on the other side?"

So what you're saying is the article should really say "The Sun, after centuries of being mercilessly mocked by Earthlings for its persistent spotting problems, has decided to turn around and show the Earth its backside from now on."

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (3, Informative)

everphilski (877346) | about 6 years ago | (#24843453)

There are a number of techniques to image the far side of the sun.

Re:far side of the sun (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24844119)

Since the sun rotates, the easiest it to just wait for it to turn around

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (3, Informative)

cluckshot (658931) | about 6 years ago | (#24843773)

Check out NASA's Space Weather site [spaceweather.com] or the Stereo pictures NASA is getting and you will not wonder what is going on on the back side of the sun.

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (5, Informative)

Troed (102527) | about 6 years ago | (#24843461)

No, on the contrary. Small "sunspecks" cannot be seen without modern equipment and thus do not exist in the earlier records.

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (1)

porkchop_d_clown (39923) | about 6 years ago | (#24843695)

Dunno about changing definitions, but when my club [chesmontastro.org] set up for our big annual star party, the solar observing was a complete bust - no flares, no spots, just a big rubber ball....

She's PREGNANT !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843439)

Tokes for everyone !!

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (1)

ZeroFactorial (1025676) | about 6 years ago | (#24843487)

This article is Spot Off!

Re:The real reason this is News for Nerds (1, Funny)

Scaba (183684) | about 6 years ago | (#24843701)

The sun has discovered the best acne medication in the universe.

...which is Proactiv. I'll be straight up with you - the sun don't want no bumps on its face, so it's using Proactiv, which helps moisturize its situation and preserve its sexy.

Bad summer (1)

tsa (15680) | about 6 years ago | (#24842847)

Great, now I know why summer this year was, well, pretty nonexistant really.

Re:Bad summer (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | about 6 years ago | (#24843067)

Great, now I know why summer this year was, well, pretty nonexistant really.

Speak for yourself. It was already 85F outside as of 10:00 a.m..

Re:Bad summer (1)

bickerdyke (670000) | about 6 years ago | (#24844005)

Is that warm?

Re:Bad summer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843291)

Yup. I still do all my reckoning based on the position of the constellations. You folks who use GPS, Rand-McNally maps or gas station attendants are all idiots.

Get real, dude. The fact is we are ALL dependent on technology.

Re:Bad summer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843571)

I'm curious where you live because here on the west coast it was not "non-existent" and my friends scattered all over the midwest agree.

Re:Bad summer (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843909)

I've heard rumours of places outside of the midwest. Some even tell strange tales of places which are not part of the US at all! But you're American, so you can just ignore all that.

Standby and get ready! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24842849)

Conservatives are going to jump on this one quick to 'prove' that global warming isn't manmade. Don't say I didn't warn you!

Re:Standby and get ready! (5, Insightful)

Dunbal (464142) | about 6 years ago | (#24842899)

to 'prove' that global warming isn't manmade.

      There we go, asking people to prove negatives again. Why don't you start by proving that it IS man-made?

      Or conversely, prove that it ISN'T caused by the belly button lint of invisible space goats.

Re:Standby and get ready! (1)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | about 6 years ago | (#24843093)

There we go, asking people to prove negatives again. Why don't you start by proving that it IS man-made?

OK, I confess... I knew it was wrong... I did it anyway.

Damn sunspots... I hate them all!

Re:Standby and get ready! (5, Insightful)

R2.0 (532027) | about 6 years ago | (#24843181)

"There we go, asking people to prove negatives again. Why don't you start by proving that it IS man-made?"

The argument being made is that it HAS been proven, as far as one can prove anything in such indeterministic systems.

Of course, we had proof for years that ulcers were caused by stress. Nope - bacteria.

Proof that the continents were immobile in their positions. Well, not so much proof as that it was just so totally OBVIOUS that continents couldn't move, and that "continental drift" was a crackpot theory. Until it wasn't.

AIDS was a breakdown of the immune system because of IV drug use, exposure to multiple venereal diseases, and the generally unhealth lifestyle of the gay community. Until they isolated a virus.

The reality is that scientific "proof" consists of general agreement among communities of people about the interpretation of observed phenomena, and that agreement can be driven by MANY factors, not just how well the data fits. One CANNOT get to the level of mathematical proof. So there will always be a role for skeptics, and those that just won't accept that, if you have a square peg and a round hole, you just pretend the peg's squareness doesn't exist, because it MUST fit into the round hole.

Re:Standby and get ready! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843335)

"Proof that the continents were immobile in their positions. Well, not so much proof as that it was just so totally OBVIOUS that continents couldn't move, and that "continental drift" was a crackpot theory."

Continental drift theory still hasn't actually been conclusively proven either.

Re:Standby and get ready! (4, Insightful)

delt0r (999393) | about 6 years ago | (#24843557)

The argument being made is that it HAS been proven, as far as one can prove anything in such indeterministic systems.

If by GW you mean AGW then like hell it has. If you read ./ summaries, a few newspapers and A. Gore, then perhaps its a "fact". But read the source peer reviewed articles they claim to summarize. They use phrases like "it suggests", and "gives support to" rather than phrases like "statistically significant".

A good question to ask is how is the "mean" earth temperature measured, both current and Historic and whats the variance?

There are some facts out there that do matter (e.g. CO2 increases from industrialization). But thats not a proof of any claimed causal effects.

We simply have not been doing this sort of modeling long enough nor tested it enough to give credible confidence intervals yet. I'm not saying that mitigation programs now don't make sense. They do, but I can think of a lot of better reasons that AGW.

And in regard to general agreement in the scientific community WRT AGW? If you don't agree or are even just a little bit skeptical, you would have left that community a long time ago. Using a set of examples where there "was general agreement" that turned out to be wrong does not support the idea that "general agreement" on AGW is evidence of AGW.

Re:Standby and get ready! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843193)

I guess you missed the quotation marks. When you quote or italicize a word, it often means that it has a similar meaning, but not exactly the same (per the dictionary usage). It might also mean that the term was intended to be used ironically. In this context, it is actually sort of funny that you decided to go on a logic rant.

Re:Standby and get ready! (1)

ch-chuck (9622) | about 6 years ago | (#24843753)

There you go again, using logical fallacies about how you can't 'prove a negative' [infidels.org] . That does not help your cause.

Re:Standby and get ready! (5, Funny)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | about 6 years ago | (#24843121)

I know. How strange is it that they think that the largest source of heat in the entire solar system would have ANYTHING to do with one of the planets getting warmer...

Re:Standby and get ready! (5, Insightful)

DriedClexler (814907) | about 6 years ago | (#24843527)

Of course atmospheric/climate scientists have considered the impact of the sun. Please, don't assume they're complete idiots.

The problem with global warming alarmism is not not the climate science is poor, but that it is used to rationalize unnecessarily intrusive interventions in people's lives that have little to do with preventing catastrophe, and very questionable impact on net emissions.

The obvious, least economically damaging, least intrusive way to handle the problem is to simply internalize the costs that CO2 emissions throw off, either by tradeable caps or a tax, and then apply the funds to mitigating the damage. Then, you don't have to do impossible calculations about which activities are "truly wasteful", and people can decide how they cut back. And even if they don't, such a solution is still robust, as such a decision would just generate more funds with which to handle the problem.

But the most vocal alarms don't want this. Instead, they propose a laundry list of intrusive interventions, and then want to pick and choose which technologies are the "right" ones. If they were honest about wanting to avert catastrophe, the debate today would be about the size of the tax or cap, not about whether we should ban this particular product on the grounds that it gets an emotional reaction out of some people. Alarmism has been more about whether you're "on the team" or not. If the most efficient solution for you is to get better insulation rather than a hybrid, well, the latter would signal that you're "one of them" and the former wouldn't, so ...

Re:Standby and get ready! (3, Funny)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | about 6 years ago | (#24843161)

Funny ... I thought liberals were going to use it as proof that global warming was so out of control, it was affecting the sun. First it melts the polar icecaps, now the sunspots. ;)

Oh, crap, did I post this without checking the AC box?

Not conservatives, scientists (2, Insightful)

the computer guy nex (916959) | about 6 years ago | (#24843881)

Conservatives are going to jump on this one quick to 'prove' that global warming isn't manmade. Don't say I didn't warn you!

As a conservative I believe more power to the individual and local governments rather than federal, lower taxes, lower spending.

Conservatives are cautious about global warming because Liberals are trying to introduce legislation based on it. We are handcuffing business, raising taxes, and affecting our day-to-day lives because of "global warming."

If this is what has to be done, so be it. We have a federal government for a reason.

On the other hand there is plenty of evidence that Global Warming does not exist and it is being pushed by Liberals with an agenda. This is unacceptable. We should not be destroying our economy because of "maybes."

Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24842881)

We're all going to die...!

Re:Hmm (2, Funny)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | about 6 years ago | (#24843601)

We're all going to die...!

No shit. Nobody questions that. It is all about how much you are going to be taxed on the way there, and maybe beyond.

The sun is exiting it's puberty stage. (0, Redundant)

conner_bw (120497) | about 6 years ago | (#24842883)

No more zits?

Good news fro my daughter! (0, Redundant)

R2.0 (532027) | about 6 years ago | (#24842913)

I keep telling her those unsightly blemishes will clear up in time - now I have proof!

Does this mean less solar output? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24842943)

Anyone know if this means the Earth gets less solar energy? Will there be global cooling because the sun has less output?

Re:Does this mean less solar output? (4, Interesting)

locofungus (179280) | about 6 years ago | (#24843365)

2008 is going to be the coolest year of the 21st century so far. A combination of an el nina and low sunspot activity. But it's still on target to be one of the warmest years on record. It ought to have been one of the coldest years on record.

Tim.

Re:Does this mean less solar output? (1)

4D6963 (933028) | about 6 years ago | (#24843437)

Just what I was wondering. I really wonder how much an input it has on temperature here, and how long the low activity trend will last.

LHC?!? (3, Funny)

MindKata (957167) | about 6 years ago | (#24842957)

"Sun Has First Spotless Month Since 1913"

Ok, who switched on the LHC! ... see, its not a black hole making machine, it actually washes whiter than white.

Ha!, that'll stop the critics who think the earth will vanish in a instant... see nothing to worry ab.o.u..t... [KABOOOMMMMMM ... zip ... crush]

Re:LHC?!? (1)

vrmlguy (120854) | about 6 years ago | (#24844113)

Ok, who switched on the LHC! ... see, its not a black hole making machine, it actually washes whiter than white.

No one's switched it on yet; this is the result of thiotimoline [wikipedia.org] accidentally being used in the superconducting coils.

imagine all the drivers getting lost (3, Informative)

peter303 (12292) | about 6 years ago | (#24842963)

When a big solar storm turns off GPS for a few hours or days. I know some people that have become dependent on their nav-computers.
A weak solar cycle may postpone this problem.

Re:imagine all the drivers getting lost (2)

aristotle-dude (626586) | about 6 years ago | (#24843117)

When a big solar storm turns off GPS for a few hours or days. I know some people that have become dependent on their nav-computers.

If drivers cannot find their way around the old fashioned way then maybe they have no business on the road and should have their licenses revoked.

Re:imagine all the drivers getting lost (3, Interesting)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 6 years ago | (#24843497)

It's quite strange. A friend of mine moved so I plucked his new address into my little gps nav unit and used it to find his house. A week later I thought about it and couldn't even think of how to get there so I pulled up the route and used it again with out a second thought. After about 2 months of this it dawned on me that I had no idea how to get there without my little nav unit. I finally forced my self to find it without the unit. One time doing that and I didn't need it any more.

Re:imagine all the drivers getting lost (1)

Amouth (879122) | about 6 years ago | (#24843789)

personaly i use a GPS just to get the mark for the distination - some times i let it route.. but i alwasy look at it as a map view and see if it needs rerouteing.. then i just read it off to my self and put it down and go from there..

if i think i missed a road i just glance and take a looka that the planned route to see where i went wrong..

i can't stand it when people just blindly stick in an address and let some little thing on the dash tell them when to turn.. and just drive on not even bothering to look where it is going to take them.

Re:imagine all the drivers getting lost (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843395)

When a big solar storm turns off GPS for a few hours or days. I know some people that have become dependent on their nav-computers. A weak solar cycle may postpone this problem.

This would allow GPS to become even more enmeshed in the Air Traffic Control system, making it hurt all the more when these problems happen. The system is expected to be able to provide positioning via other means than ADS-B (aka nextgen) during a GPS outage, but if we go a long time on GPS with no problems, the more surprised people will be when those expected problems do occur. BTW, IAAATCSDE (I am an air-traffic-control-systems-design-engineer), hence the anonymity. D

I can't wait (3, Funny)

Trailer Trash (60756) | about 6 years ago | (#24842987)

I can't wait to come back later and find out how this is caused by George W. Bush, the US, or Bush's failure to sign on to the Kyoto treaty (even though Clinton was president at the time).

Re:I can't wait (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843295)

You know, Bush could have signed to the treaty any time during his presidency, if he had wanted to conserve our common environment, which includes the sun as well. What kind of a conservative abhors conservation, anyway?

Re:I can't wait (3, Insightful)

bobbuck (675253) | about 6 years ago | (#24843515)

The kind that puts human life over a freaking toad.

And isn't President Bush the only leader of an industrialized nation which actually cut carbon dioxide emissions, Kyoto or not?

History is made by trends (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843651)

History is not made by people, but by trends. The people who ride at the crest of the wave, and are in the spotlight, sometimes seem to be making history...but the only reason these people are in the position they are in, and the only reason their actions are effective, is because of the huge numbers of other people who empower them and obey them.

The current trends in America seem to be ignorance and pettiness tapered with sloth and fear. Bush and his antics are just a symptom of that, as will be Obama and his antics. I predict a lot of socialist posturing (because the majority of the American people today just want to be taken care of) and little that actually addresses any of the real problems of our day.

Eventually things will suck badly enough that the trends change. Until then, it will just be more of the same, no matter who is in office.

Re:I can't wait (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | about 6 years ago | (#24844063)

And isn't President Bush the only leader of an industrialized nation which actually cut carbon dioxide emissions, Kyoto or not?

Not even close. No one was planning on reducing CO2 emissions any time soon. Everyone was just trying to curb the growth. I don't have the sources right now, but if memory serves me correctly, only a few small countries have managed to curb their growth in accordance with the Kyoto target (think netherlands). The US has actually increased CO2 production.

Sunspots down... temperature down? (4, Interesting)

isa-kuruption (317695) | about 6 years ago | (#24843033)

OH MY

So... CO2 causes global warming, apparently on Mars and Jupiter too. Yet when sunspot activity decreases, this whole global warming trend slows down (to the tune of no increase of global temperature in over 8 years). And in the 1990s when sunspot activity was some of the highest ever recorded, global temperatures rose. I wonder if this is a coincidence.... or is it?

So really... are you all still addicted to that theory? That it's all about the CO2?

Re:Sunspots down... temperature down? (3, Informative)

AtomicSnarl (549626) | about 6 years ago | (#24843243)

Perhaps we're entering another Maunder Minimum [wikipedia.org] for a phase of Global Cooling.

The next few centuries could be fun!

And yet, what is being missed (3, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | about 6 years ago | (#24843275)

is that our temps are at all time highs. Yes, it is down SLIGHTLY i.e. a very small local minima, not even close to an absolute minima. So, if there is a correlation to temps the way that ppl like you push, what happens when sunspots increase?

Re:And yet, what is being missed (2, Insightful)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | about 6 years ago | (#24843545)

"what happens when sunspots increase?"

Uh, let me guess here. Temps increase.

I think what needs to be focused on is not the "who's right or wrong about global warming," but the fact that there are so many factors involved. We need to understand how CO2 (or any other green house gas) affects the temps so we can manipulate temps and offset the cooling cycles of the Sun and keep a more consistent temp base for the planet. UNLESS, the Earth itself requires heating and cooling cycles to sustain life.

The process of mass extinctions are inevitable, humans included. Either by the Earth, extra-terrestrial (rocks/frequencies/etc, not ET beings), or the fact that one species consumes so much of the biomass that it kills itself by lack of diversity.

Re:And yet, what is being missed (3, Insightful)

bobbuck (675253) | about 6 years ago | (#24843603)

We have semi-accurate temperature data for a short time and the warmest year in the US was 1934 based on that. Yawn. Wake me up for the next groupthink scare.

Re:And yet, what is being missed (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843791)

No, temps are not down *slightly*. They are down a lot. In 2007 global temperatures dropped by about 0.6C which wipes out nearly a century of global warming. Apparently, the Earth could be plunged into another Little Ice Age and we will still have man-made global warming kool-aid drinkers.

Re:Sunspots down... temperature down? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843717)

You're really not up to date with this year's polar melting [uiuc.edu] , are you ?

Re:Sunspots down... temperature down? (2, Interesting)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | about 6 years ago | (#24844077)

And you have apparently are not up to date on the volcanic activity on the ocean floor in the Arctic.

Re:Sunspots down... temperature down? (1)

isa-kuruption (317695) | about 6 years ago | (#24844081)

Oh yay I love this argument!

You give me data since 1979 which that's less than 30 years of ice data for a planet 4.5 billion years old, and you expect me to use this data to determine that the planet is in dire straits?

How much ice was there in 1879? 1779? How about 2 million years ago? Maybe more? Maybe less? You don't know! So without historical context, this data is worthless.

For all we know, the amount of ice we had in 1979 was considered high, and that the levels we're at now are "still high but getting better".. or maybe you're right and the ice melting is a huge problem.

I remember some years ago, when I was a wee lad, scientists were worried about the over abundance of ice in the north pole "growing" to one side of the planet. This would, they theorized, cause the Earth to "flip" due to the excessive weight on one side of the planet. Well, last time I checked, my toilet flushes the same direction it did when I was a kid.

Re:Sunspots down... temperature down? (1, Flamebait)

GXTi (635121) | about 6 years ago | (#24843873)

Don't worry, some discredited scientists will find a way to pin the sunspot shortages on human activity so we can go back to our regularly scheduled societal self-flogging.

Re:Sunspots down... temperature down? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843971)

90s were also a period when CO2 output was extremely high so... too bad your theory sucks balls

ah sweet denial (-1, Flamebait)

circletimessquare (444983) | about 6 years ago | (#24844009)

it is well recorded that even a solitary volcano blasts disrupts global climate (see krakatoa [wikipedia.org] )

why is it so hard for you to imagine the effects of over 6 billion humans burning fossil fuels, knocking down forests, etc, and dumping ever increasing amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere?

i expect from you a litany of quibbling details

all of which fall secondary to the fucking obvious:

over 6 billion humans

slashing forest, burning fossil fuels

no effect at all in your mind?

hello?

Clearly this is... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843047)

...George W. Bush's fault.

You know what else happened in August 1913? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843069)

* August 4 - In China, province of Chungking declares independence. Chinese Republican forces crush the rebellion in a couple of weeks
        * August 10 - Division of Macedonia after the second Balkan War, according to the Treaty of Bucharest

        * August 13 - Invention of stainless steel by Harry Brearley in Sheffield.

        * August 15 - Start of Dublin Strike & Lockout, all trade union members dismissed

        * August 20 - 700 feet above Buc, France, parachutist Adolphe Pegond jumps from an airplane and lands safely.

Is this really history? (1)

poetmatt (793785) | about 6 years ago | (#24843087)

So let me get this straight.

This has happened before, we're on the low point of a cycle according to even the wikipedia information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sunspot_Numbers.png [wikipedia.org]

Is there really any significance other than that? I don't mean that in a smartass way, genuinely wondering here.

It seems to show the sun has active sunspot cycles, and less active sunspot cycles. Thus, we are at one of the less active cycles.

Re:Is this really history? (2, Informative)

trongey (21550) | about 6 years ago | (#24843293)

Yes, it is history since it happened in the past. That's how history works. It's probably not a piece of history that will hold great meaning for many people, but this is the "News for Nerds" website.
Nope, there's not a lot of other significance, unless you're interested in things like radio wave propagation or the effect of solar weather on space hardware.

Re:Is this really history? (1)

pablomme (1270790) | about 6 years ago | (#24843411)

If I understand correctly, we should be moving towards the maximum after the minimum in 2006-ish, but we are not; instead the number of spots is still going down. See the raw data [nasa.gov] , and take into account that the cycle is on average about 10.5 years long.

Who is responsible? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843101)

This is George Bush's fault, of course. His failed environmental policies have damaged the Sun.

man'kind' may speculate, on the side of further... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843147)

damage. so, eye gas we can consume away, just like yesterday. fear is unprecedented evile's primary weapon. that, along with greed, deception & coercion, helps most of us remain (unwittingly?) dependent on its' greed/fear/ego based hired goons' agenda. Most of yOUR dwindling resources are being squandered on the 'war', & continuation of the billionerrors stock markup FraUD/pyramid scheme. nobody ever mentions the real long term costs of those debacles in both life & the notion of prosperity, not to mention the abuse of the consciences of those of us who still have one. see you on the other side of it. the lights are coming up all over now. conspiracy theorists are being vindicated. some might choose a tin umbrella to go with their hats. the fairytail is winding down now. let your conscience be yOUR guide. you can be more helpful than you might have imagined. there are still some choices. if they do not suit you, consider the likely results of continuing to follow the corepirate nazi hypenosys story LIEn, whereas anything of relevance is replaced almost instantly with pr ?firm? scriptdead mindphuking propaganda or 'celebrity' trivia 'foam'. meanwhile; don't forget to get a little more oxygen on yOUR brain, & look up in the sky from time to time, starting early in the day. there's lots going on up there.

http://news.google.com/?ncl=1216734813&hl=en&topic=n
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/31/opinion/31mon1.html?em&ex=1199336400&en=c4b5414371631707&ei=5087%0A
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/29/world/29amnesty.html?hp
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/06/02/nasa.global.warming.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/06/05/severe.weather.ap/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/weather/06/02/honore.preparedness/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01dowd.html?em&ex=1212638400&en=744b7cebc86723e5&ei=5087%0A
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/05/senate.iraq/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/17/washington/17contractor.html?hp
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/world/middleeast/03kurdistan.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080708/cheney_climate.html
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080805/pl_politico/12308;_ylt=A0wNcxTPdJhILAYAVQms0NUE

is it time to get real yet? A LOT of energy is being squandered in attempts to keep US in the dark. in the end (give or take a few 1000 years), the creators will prevail (world without end, etc...), as it has always been. the process of gaining yOUR release from the current hostage situation may not be what you might think it is. butt of course, most of US don't know, or care what a precarious/fatal situation we're in. for example; the insidious attempts by the felonious corepirate nazi execrable to block the suns' light, interfering with a requirement (sunlight) for us to stay healthy/alive. it's likely not good for yOUR health/memories 'else they'd be bragging about it? we're intending for the whoreabully deceptive (they'll do ANYTHING for a bit more monIE/power) felons to give up/fail even further, in attempting to control the 'weather', as well as a # of other things/events.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=weather+manipulation&btnG=Search
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=video+cloud+spraying

dictator style micro management has never worked (for very long). it's an illness. tie that with life0cidal aggression & softwar gangster style bullying, & what do we have? a greed/fear/ego based recipe for disaster. meanwhile, you can help to stop the bleeding (loss of life & limb);

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/28/vermont.banning.bush.ap/index.html

the bleeding must be stopped before any healing can begin. jailing a couple of corepirate nazi hired goons would send a clear message to the rest of the world from US. any truthful look at the 'scorecard' would reveal that we are a society in decline/deep doo-doo, despite all of the scriptdead pr ?firm? generated drum beating & flag waving propaganda that we are constantly bombarded with. is it time to get real yet? please consider carefully ALL of yOUR other 'options'. the creators will prevail. as it has always been.

corepirate nazi execrable costs outweigh benefits
(Score:-)mynuts won, the king is a fink)
by ourselves on everyday 24/7

as there are no benefits, just more&more death/debt & disruption. fortunately there's an 'army' of light bringers, coming yOUR way. the little ones/innocents must/will be protected. after the big flash, ALL of yOUR imaginary 'borders' may blur a bit? for each of the creators' innocents harmed in any way, there is a debt that must/will be repaid by you/us, as the perpetrators/minions of unprecedented evile, will not be available. 'vote' with (what's left in) yOUR wallet, & by your behaviors. help bring an end to unprecedented evile's manifestation through yOUR owned felonious corepirate nazi glowbull warmongering execrable. some of US should consider ourselves somewhat fortunate to be among those scheduled to survive after the big flash/implementation of the creators' wwwildly popular planet/population rescue initiative/mandate. it's right in the manual, 'world without end', etc.... as we all ?know?, change is inevitable, & denying/ignoring gravity, logic, morality, etc..., is only possible, on a temporary basis. concern about the course of events that will occur should the life0cidal execrable fail to be intervened upon is in order. 'do not be dismayed' (also from the manual). however, it's ok/recommended, to not attempt to live under/accept, fauxking nazi felon greed/fear/ego based pr ?firm? scriptdead mindphuking hypenosys.

consult with/trust in yOUR creators. providing more than enough of everything for everyone (without any distracting/spiritdead personal gain motives), whilst badtolling unprecedented evile, using an unlimited supply of newclear power, since/until forever. see you there?

"If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

meanwhile, the life0cidal philistines continue on their path of death, debt, & disruption for most of US. gov. bush denies health care for the little ones;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/bush.veto/index.html

whilst demanding/extorting billions to paint more targets on the bigger kids;

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/12/bush.war.funding/index.html

& pretending that it isn't happening here;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3086937.ece
all is not lost/forgotten/forgiven

(yOUR elected) president al gore (deciding not to wait for the much anticipated 'lonesome al answers yOUR questions' interview here on /.) continues to attempt to shed some light on yOUR foibles. talk about reverse polarity;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article3046116.ece

Sun had a profitable month? (1)

DamienMcKenna (181101) | about 6 years ago | (#24843173)

Am I the only one who read the headline and thought "Sun Microsystems actually had a profitable month?" Doh!

Re:Sun had a profitable month? (3, Funny)

psergiu (67614) | about 6 years ago | (#24843235)

nope :) I was just wondering what version of SunOS they had in 1913 :)

Re:Sun had a profitable month? (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 6 years ago | (#24843559)

SunOS 3.11 for steam workstations.

End of the Mayan Calendar? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843245)

Could this coincide with the upcoming Apocalypse on December 21st 2012?

hundreds of journalists are already... (1)

Juan Rey (233115) | about 6 years ago | (#24843249)

... researching any connection with global warming.

Announcement rescinded, sun has summer spots! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843289)

Boy, I bet that left someone seeing black.

Maybe that's why... (3, Informative)

megamerican (1073936) | about 6 years ago | (#24843307)

the Arctic ice refused to melt this summer. Does anyone remember the warning in June that the North Pole would be ice free? [nationalgeographic.com]

Of course, their prediction was way off [theregister.co.uk] (as always). When someone realized how bad their prediction was, they fear monger some more with more dire warnings! [chron.com]

Remember that they have only been keeping sat. data for ice extent for a little over 3 decades, which of course is when the sun has been in a very active period.

Re:Maybe that's why... (5, Insightful)

The End Of Days (1243248) | about 6 years ago | (#24843523)

Considering that recorded history is but a tiny fraction of human existence, which is in turn but a tiny fraction of earth's existence, I have a hard time believing anything anyone says about long-term trends. We just don't know.

Re:Maybe that's why... (1)

Troed (102527) | about 6 years ago | (#24843555)

Andy Watts has a few old news paper clips on his blog about the north west passage being traversable several times before this century. The situation in the arctic right now is not unusual at all.

Re:Maybe that's why... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843699)

30 years ago everyone was concerned about global cooling. Scientists even plotted how to spread coal dust on the ice caps to speed melting.

Global warming is just this generation's boogie man. Wait a few years and we'll have a new one.

Forecast pushed back (3, Informative)

VAXcat (674775) | about 6 years ago | (#24843329)

Ah good - that gives me more time to get my HF antenna up. No sunspots - no HF radio propagation....now I can put off climbing up on the roof.

Re:Forecast pushed back (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843607)

Sucks to be a radio operator. Fortunately in modern times the Internet has practically eliminated the need for a radio because it's more reliable, consistent, etc.

I have been licensed for almost 20 years now but rarely use the radio other than for emergency work when the Internet is unavailable. Every time I spend a bunch of effort doing radio stuff I feel like I have wasted my time. Yeah, I managed to break 1000 miles on 2M (meteor scatter) but so what, it was hard and not reliable enough to be useful for anything. So I get on HF and chatter about... meh, I can join chat-room if that's what I want. Other than emergency work I feel it's all just so pointless nowadays.

Month or 30 days? (1)

gorckat (960852) | about 6 years ago | (#24843345)

Who cares about calendar months- have there ever been any other 30 day periods (say the 10th through the 9th) without spots?

Re:Month or 30 days? (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 6 years ago | (#24843645)

What a ridiculous question. I mean really, "who cares?"

I only want to know if it has been consecutive days of a Julian calendar month. That is all.

Cue the theories (5, Insightful)

squoozer (730327) | about 6 years ago | (#24843367)

As to how the Earth is heating up due to there being too few sun spots or birds are falling out of the sky and little children are being eaten by monsters at the worlds edge.

I'm really interested in stories about science but every one like this seems to be taken as an excuse for the uninformed to come up with todays hair brained theory to scare the masses. I wonder if we can link this to terrorism in some way.

Re:Cue the theories (1)

tjstork (137384) | about 6 years ago | (#24843643)

If only mother nature were cooperative... Well, before Newton discovered gravity, you could still get killed by a falling rock.

Sadly, just because we don't know have a cause for why less sunspots might cool the planet doesn't categorically rule it out. The only intellectual discipline that can have the rigor of a mathematical proof, is well, mathematical proofs, and after that, the universe is decidedly less cooperative. All you can really say is, based on what we know, sunspots probably shouldn't be changing the climate, but if it turns out that they do, then what we know changes...

Man's CO2 emmisions made the spots go away (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843629)

Obviously caused by the people driving Hummers.

Awesome misread (2, Funny)

Uthic (931553) | about 6 years ago | (#24843633)

Read that as "The Sun has First Topless..", thought The Sun here in Toronto finally decided to spice up the Sunshine Girl.

Does this affect total power output? (1)

porkchop_d_clown (39923) | about 6 years ago | (#24843653)

So,

I know sun spots are a different temp than the sun overall - has this had an effect on the energy output of the sun?

I blame global warming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843655)

I blame global warming.

Global Cooling Warning (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | about 6 years ago | (#24843707)

Let me be the first to warn of impending global cooling. The increase of Arctic Ice by 30% in one year and the spotless sun, shows that the whole earth can be covered by ice sheets a mile thick in less than a decade. Everyone should run out and buy large SUVs to be able to negotiate the worsening road conditions for the few years we have left before glaciers destroy everything.

Stupid question... (1)

PinkyDead (862370) | about 6 years ago | (#24843769)

(And moot now that the sunspeck appeared)

But presumably the sun is only spotless on the face that we can see, or do we know that the 'dark' side of the sun is also spotless. Given that it takes 25 days for the sun to rotate, a spot might flare up and we'd know nothing about it.

Or is there some solar observatory that I don't know about?

Agggg! Global warming. (1)

goffster (1104287) | about 6 years ago | (#24843861)

surely it must be so

Bush's fault. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843867)

I blame Bush. If he'd only signed the Kyoto Protocol everything would be just fine.

Every time *I* miss a month... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24843913)

...my boyfriend panics.

Relationship with global warming (1, Informative)

4D6963 (933028) | about 6 years ago | (#24844095)

After a bit of comment reading and Wikipedia reading, here's what has to be said to the global warning-related sarcasms. The sharp rise in temperatures is of course due to our activity, which is why we have nothing else like this rise in our long records of Earth temperatures dating back to hundreds of thousands of years ago (if I recall correctly). However, the high sun activity of the past century didn't help a bit, as it we reached at least 1,200 year activity high! Which means that if the downward trend is confirmed, this could be a God sent reprieve while we try to get hold of our gaseous emissions. In other words, yes it did contribute quite a bit to the problem, no it's not the sole root of the problem, or even the majority of it, and yes this is good news as the offset could be very beneficial to us. A fortunate coincidence of sorts.

I for one cannot wait until we can ice skate from New York City to London again!

hahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#24844107)

So many sign of the apocalypse to pick from this year!!!! lol

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