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RealNetworks To Introduce a Simple DVD Copier

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the why-must-there-always-be-drm dept.

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langelgjm writes "The New York Times reports that RealNetworks will begin selling RealDVD today, a software program designed to make copying DVDs a trivial task for the average user. Unlike free alternatives, which generally require some technical knowledge and make it difficult to copy an entire DVD with extras, etc., RealDVD claims to be able to copy the entire DVD, menus and all. While sure to raise the ire of Hollywood, the program does have significant limitations: the DVDs it makes will only be playable on the computer where they were created; or, users can pay $20 per computer to play the DVDs on up to five additional computers."

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Slashvertisement (3, Insightful)

bjourne (1034822) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918813)

Worst Slashvertisement ever!

Re:Slashvertisement (5, Insightful)

monsul (1342167) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918887)

If this is a Slashvertisement, they've got the audience wrong. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows how to copy a DVD without having to pay 20 bucks to Real Networks

Re:Slashvertisement (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918967)

The question is why one would use this program? And why Real think it's ok that they look your file to a single computer.

Sounds like a pretty bad deal, why use this crap? Not that we already knew everything "real" suck.

Re:Slashvertisement (5, Funny)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919031)

The question is why one would use this program?

The timing couldn't have been more perfect. I have these 4,000-odd clips I need to save from this website...

Re:Slashvertisement (2, Interesting)

electrictroy (912290) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919065)

This is nice software, but I don't usually copy the whole DVD.

I only copy individual episodes, and store them as AVIs or XVIDs. What I need is a program that can automate that process so I can (for example) quickly and easily insert a Stargate DVD, and come back an hour later to 4 episode AVIs on my C: drive.

Re:Slashvertisement (1)

EvilIdler (21087) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919107)

Handbrake will do that, I think. I like Toast Titanium on Mac, though; it converts damn near any format to another in a batch job. DVD to iPod, Blu-Ray to Xvid etc.

Re:Slashvertisement (2, Informative)

name*censored* (884880) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919385)

If you find it, tell me. So far, what I've done is used ddfmrip.bat, AutoGK, AutoGKAdd (it's a hacked-together AutoIt script) and some homebrew batch files tying these together. The downsides are;

- I still have to tell it what VTS/PGCs I want done (honestly, I have no idea how any program could work this out - a lot of DVDs have 2 chains for some episodes and not for others, so doing it by approximate time is out)

- It requires a lot of hard disk space

- The programs aren't properly named (I can get as far as giving them season names and episode numbers, there'd need to be a DVDDB similar to CDDBs for proper automatic episode naming - maybe a homebrew IMDB scraper?)

- It requires Windows (although AutoGK is the only usable program I've liked on either Linux or Windows, so my rip-box is stuck as Windows anyway).

At any rate, it's still very dirty, a proper solution like Handbrake (but for Windows or Linux) would be nice.

Re:Slashvertisement (3, Insightful)

GuldKalle (1065310) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919531)

Huh, AFAIK Handbrake is for both win, linux and OS X. Did I miss something?

Re:Slashvertisement (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#24920097)

Yes.

The part where the output looks like something that iTunes
spat out rather than the raw output from cdparanoia or
dvdbackup.

A bunch of files like this:

        THEPRETENDER_S4_D4_A.1-1.vob

just don't cut it for most people.

Re:Slashvertisement (5, Insightful)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919695)

What I need is a program that can automate that process so I can (for example) quickly and easily insert a Stargate DVD, and come back an hour later to 4 episode AVIs on my C: drive.


i=1
for title in {3,5,7,8}; do
        mencoder "dvd://$title" -o "episode_$i.avi";
        i=$(($i+1));
done

Re:Slashvertisement (0, Troll)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 5 years ago | (#24920133)

...which shows that you have OBVIOUSLY never tried to do this yourself.

There's a bit more to it to that. THAT is the part that this
new software seems to be addressing. It looks to be the first
proper DVD ripper ever.

It's missing transcoding though.

You make it sound like you tolerate an mp3 collection that looks like the following:

        cdrom923_1.mp3
        cdrom923_2.mp3
        cdrom923_3.mp3
        cdrom923_4.mp3
        cdrom923_5.mp3

Re:Slashvertisement (1)

jank1887 (815982) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919269)

"The question is why one would use this program?" well, depends how quickly the registration hack comes out, and if it really an easier interface. At a minimum, if it does something innovative, free alternatives can copy the idea and incorporate it into their own products.

Re:Slashvertisement (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919415)

The question is why one would use this program?

Because you want to watch movies on your laptop, but you don't want to carry around the original copies of your DVDs with you, both because you don't want them lost and because they're extra crap you don't want to have to carry around with you.

Re:Slashvertisement (1)

Hairy Heron (1296923) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919629)

So why not just use the dozens of other utilities out there that already make either 1:1 or compressed DVD-5 copies?

Re:Slashvertisement (5, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919663)

I don't think anyone was questioning why anyone would want to copy DVD's - just why they'd want to do so with this program. Doing so with the free stuff out there isn't THAT hard. When you figure that this software introduces DRM, locks to a single computer, and then tries to extort out $20 for the right to play on more computers, it's a pretty lousy deal.

PARTICULARLY nasty is the fact that Real seems to think that they can use DRM extortion tactics on content that don't own. That's a situation that is true regardless of whether or not the media is even pirated. If it's a major studio film, then Real has no legal ability to extra money from restricting rights to that. OR, even if it's just your wedding DVD you're copying - you are legally fine to copy it but you own the copyright yourself and Real has no legal right to restrict your usage of it.

Re:Slashvertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919095)

... or without having to register to rtfa.

Re:Slashvertisement (1)

morgauo (1303341) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919323)

True, but there might be lots of Slashdotters whom have less techy friends/family they would be happy to see using this rather than constantly asking them to do it.

Re:Slashvertisement (3, Funny)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919907)

If this is a Slashvertisement, they've got the audience wrong. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows how to copy a DVD without having to pay 20 bucks to Real Networks

....or install their garbage programs that are basically bloatware with little tricky adware-esque properties to them as well.

Realnetworks have made *horrible* products in the last 8 years. I will never install realplayer again since it always bloats out into something much much bigger and worthless than most people ever intend. We just want something that will play an .rm because some guy hasn't figured out the concept of mp3 yet. We don't need all the other garbage and *usually* have all of those bases covered without bloaty mcbloaterson's special bloat formula.

did I say bloat enough?

FOSS-tastic failure (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24920039)

Unlike free alternatives, which generally require some technical knowledge and make it difficult to copy an entire DVD with extras, etc., RealDVD claims to be able to copy the entire DVD, menus and all.

Historically, this has ALWAYS been FOSS's biggest problem... and biggest failure. Rather than making free software which is easy to use, they have always been happy to just cludge something together in a barely functional way, call it open source, and declare "Mission Accomplished". And then later on come to Slashdot and blame Microsoft as the reason nobody is using their half-baked software, of course.

The reality is, and probably always will be, that FOSS is if you are technically inclined enough to deal with it's rough edges, and want something for nothing. If you want a polished, easy to use application, you need to go with commercial software.

E-paperment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24920107)

The more interesting product is this one. [nytimes.com]

It's a good thing (2, Interesting)

rallymatte (707679) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918815)

Even though it will have limitations to make the DVDs playable on a limited number of computers, the fact that the software cost you money and it isn't open source, because this sort of thing usually spawns free alternatives. I mean, it's not really rocket science to make a software that creates DVDs, but inspiration to make easy to use alternatives is needed.

Re:It's a good thing (4, Informative)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918871)

you mean like dvdshrink?

Re:It's a good thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24920003)

Or k9copy, or k3b. It is nice to see how inovative is proprietary software.

Re:It's a good thing (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24920083)

The problem with DVD shrink is that development stopped even before ARCoSS, which means that many newever DVDs can not be ripper directly without additional software. You can eiuther use DVD Decrypter (which is free, but introdues a very cumbersome step into the mix) or you can buy AnyDVD which sits just above the driver level and makes the DVD in the drive appear as a normal unencrypted, non copy-protected DVD. So even with DVDShrink, which is probably the best thing out there in my opinion, you either waste time or money, which is really the same thing anyway.

The summary is misleading (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918819)

If it won't produce something that will play on a standard stand-alone DVD player, then IT'S NOT A DVD AND THIS IS NOT A "DVD Copier." This is just a ripper that adds an annoying layer of DRM to the files (umm...no thanks). And you get to pay for the privilege, no less. Woo hoo!

There are any number of one-button DVD rippers that are just as good, just as simple, and produce an actual DVD. And many of them are free. DVDfab [wikipedia.org] is just one example. It produces an actual DVD, it's as simple as it gets to use, and it doesn't cost a dime (unless you want the premium version).

Re:The summary is misleading (2, Insightful)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919001)

This is just a ripper

I don't think so. With regular ripped DVDs, I suspect you're at risk of having your laptop seized at the U.S. border. With the files produced by this tool, since it's supposedly fully licensed, you may be ok.

Re:The summary is misleading (1)

yincrash (854885) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919213)

DVD ripper, a computer application that copies the contents of a DVD to a harddisk

I think what you meant was referring to "unlicensed" rippers. This is still just a ripper.

Re:The summary is misleading (2, Interesting)

russotto (537200) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919649)

I don't think so. With regular ripped DVDs, I suspect you're at risk of having your laptop seized at the U.S. border. With the files produced by this tool, since it's supposedly fully licensed, you may be ok.

Right. Like the customs people will actually know the difference. Do you really expect them to distinguish between a legal copy of a DVD produced by this tool, and an equally legal copy of a DVD produced by another (illegal, according to the DMCA) tool?

Re:The summary is misleading (4, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919033)

OS X comes with something better than this seems to be. It's called Disk Utility. Put in the DVD, hit the 'Make Image' button, and get a disk image out. You can play this in Apple's DVD Player (also included with OS X), or with VLC or any other DVD player. I don't think you can burn it to a DVD without removing the CSS (which Disk Utility doesn't do - it's basically a GUI on dd).

Possibly this recompresses as well, but with hard disk space so cheap there doesn't seem much point (and recompressing at decent quality still takes some hours on even a reasonably fast computer).

Re:The summary is misleading (4, Informative)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919111)

That's just the same as "dd if=/dev/$dvd of=my.iso"

Nothing special. Any *nix box can do this, assuming you are dumping to a filesystem that can deal with file sizes > 4GB.

Re:The summary is misleading (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919249)

Which the GP made clear when they said:

(which Disk Utility doesn't do - it's basically a GUI on dd)

Re:The summary is misleading (2, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919257)

I'm fairly sure I said that. Oh yes, I did:

(which Disk Utility doesn't do - it's basically a GUI on dd)

The difference between Disk Utility and dd is that one is usable by anyone barely computer-literate who is capable of clicking on a single button, and the other isn't.

Re:The summary is misleading (1)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919433)

Yeah, I know. I didn't hit escape fast enough after submitting :-). The mods, apparently, weren't paying attention either.

Re:The summary is misleading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919817)

After you make the ISO just use Xine or mplayer to play the .iso directly. No need to mount the file.

So here are the steps:

1) Copy to ISO 'dd if=/dev/$dvd of=my.iso'

2) Play ISO with appropriate player 'xine my.iso'

No DRM, no twenty dollars, no additional software.

Re:The summary is misleading (1)

jitterman (987991) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919487)

SlySoft's [slysoft.com] AnyDVD and CloneDVD, used in conjunction, will allow you to back up DVDs and play them on any computer and any DVD player (at least, I've not had one NOT work yet on a device).

Not really a DVD then? (3, Interesting)

Spazholio (314843) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918827)

"the DVDs it makes will only be playable on the computer where they were created"

Doesn't this make it *not* an actual DVD, but rather an encoded video on a disc that just happens to be shaped like a DVD with the capacity of a DVD? Kind of like how all those DRM'd CDs can't actually be called "compact discs" because they don't adhere to the red book standard?

Re:Not really a DVD then? (4, Informative)

Piranhaa (672441) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918921)

It's still a DVD and still a CD. However, if you add DRM to a CD it cannot bear the Compact Disk Digital Audio symbol since it violates the Red Book specification. DVD is also the same in the sense that it wouldn't allowed to be called DVD Video because it wouldn't be following the standard set aside for it. DVD (Digital Versatile Disk) is still the name of the actual medium being written to.

Re:Not really a DVD then? (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919153)

Noooo. Compact Disc - with a 'c', coz it's round. Disk with a 'k' is for the hard or floppy varieties. Oh, and DVD is just DVD the Versatile stuff was dropped ages ago.

Re:Not really a DVD then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24918953)

because they don't adhere

Don't confuse DVD with DVD-Video.

PCs? (4, Insightful)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918835)

Let me know when this DVD copier actually lets me copy DVDs that can be played on a DVD Player.

Useless (2, Interesting)

monsul (1342167) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918845)

People who want hassle-free DVD copying are usually the ones that like to watch DVDs in a DVD player, sitting on the couch of their living rooms. Why? Because they are not very computer literate (or can't be bothered, doesn't matter which).

Re:Useless (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919713)

Or because they have a 52" or greater television to watch on in the living rooms. Some of us even own whole houses where the computer and television are in completely different rooms! Imagine that!

Free are hard to use??? (4, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918857)

AnyDVD + DVD shrink is brain dead easy to use if you really want to copy all the crap on the DVD.

Want just the movie on your laptop use handbrake. easy as pie.

Re:Free are hard to use??? (1)

hashax (1190057) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919013)

and surely anyone who can pay for a software online can copy dvds using free software.

Re:Free are hard to use??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919287)

DVD Decrypter and DVD2One offer similar functionality. You can have movie only, or the entire disc with menu structure and the "extra" shit you don't need / don't care about.
 
The second one allows dual-layer / double-sided discs to be burned to a single-layer 4.7GB DVD.
 
N.B. Using the former program is a breach of some idiotic UK law regarding "breaking of encryption / DRM", so don't let The Man see you using it.

How is this news? (2, Informative)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918863)

DVD copying has been trivial for many years now with DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter. I'm sure there's already other programs out there that are even easier to use.

Yeah, was going to say (1)

Nursie (632944) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918913)

Insert Disk, start DVDDecrypter, hit "Go", burn iso to disk...

Of course DVDDecrypter is not exactly legal these days. Which is a shame, because it strips all that nasty region coding and other crap out of the image as it goes along.

Re:Yeah, was going to say (1, Troll)

ShieldW0lf (601553) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919133)

Insert Disk, start DVDDecrypter, hit "Go", burn iso to disk... Of course DVDDecrypter is not exactly legal these days. Which is a shame, because it strips all that nasty region coding and other crap out of the image as it goes along.

It's been a long time since "being legal" was something to aspire to. The only actions that are legal in this arena are those that harm the average man on the street. Being criminal is the same as being a freedom fighter these days.

Re:Yeah, was going to say (5, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919209)

It's really lame that they make stuff like DVDDecrypter illegal but still insist on sticking to the region encoding crap. In the US, the only way I can get some foreign content is to purchase it from a foreign location and use DVDDecrypter to get rid of the region encoding so I can actually view it using my region 1 DVD player.

Why is it that in a so-called "global economy" we are limited to buying and viewing DVDs produced for our own region without circumventing the encryption on the disc (thereby technically violating the DMCA)?

Re:Yeah, was going to say (3, Insightful)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919541)

Region encoding is the biggest bullshit ever. I moved from Canada to Germany, brought my DVDs over, and my friends can't play them because of region encoding. Great. And they wonder why people download? Fuck you MPAA.

Re:Yeah, was going to say (3, Informative)

Zymergy (803632) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919847)

I prefer use AnyDVD. It is based offshore and kept very current. :) http://www.slysoft.com/ [slysoft.com]
AnyDVD can strip region Coding too... plus it rips HD-DVD and Blu-Ray HD content too (removing all CCS, Region coding, and other DRM like BD+, etc..)
You can burn back to a blank DVD (double or single layer DVDs, but DVD-R works best in most players) or to a blank Blu-Ray "BD-R" using the burner of your choice.
Standard set-top players should play the burned disks just fine in most modern DVD drives. (I use CloneDVD2 for this)...
I find taking one (or each type) of your burned disks to the store and trying it on the set-top DVD players *before* purchase (where DVD drive showrooms are available) makes pre-sales testing go smoother. Not all set-top DVD players are created equal nor are they all well-endowed by their creators...
A Blu-Ray burner is way too costly at this time, but I have ripped a few Blu-Rays with AnyDVD HD (same program, but you can pay for the more expensive HD ripping key if desired) and they sure look good playing from their DRM-Free and Region-Free images off my HDD (at 1920x1200).
Who says that HDCP (another hardware-based DRM schema) monitors are required to watch digital HDMI Blu-Ray content on my PC!
I am SURE that rips of disks that have no region coding and no CCS and BD+ or any other DRM would play on about any flavor of *nix that had a media player which can handle the format...
Blu-Ray "BD-R" burners need to come down in cost to a reasonable level and blank media needs to be under $1 per disk... then I'll just go to that. Business as usual.

(Of Course, I purchase ALL of the disks that I "rip" and copy for MY PERSONAL USE ONLY, Ahem..) You know, for my Non-Windows and Non-OSX boxes and for use in other devices that I own...
"Backup Copies". Also great for the typical destructive 2-18 year olds who want to "watch" a copy of my new movie and often return it scratched because apparently they used it as a slider to move furniture...
I Purchased AnyDVD and CloneDVD2 two years ago (and later the HD upgrade for the AnyDVD ripper) and they are still going strong with frequent and free updates and it has worked on hundreds of DVDs and a few Blu-Rays and several HD-DVD disks too ever since.
I NEVER pay Real Networks for anything...

Why Bother? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24918877)

There are better, non-crippleware solutions.

I wonder (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24918885)

whether the buffer will run out while burning..

This seems contraindicated (1)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918889)

So, from the studios' point of view, not only is this facilitating piracy, but RealNetworks is profiting by it? That sounds like a real winner.

This might be explained in TFA but I don't have time to Bugmenot the NYTimes right now.

Re:This seems contraindicated (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919143)

The files have an extra DRM layer that limits it to playback on 5 machines, and only by Real's software. Ripping CDs is legal, so the only issue with ripping DVDs would be css, which they've licensed (they don't strip it).

Legality, Major Limitation, DVD shrink (3, Interesting)

Cryophallion (1129715) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918893)

I'm assuming they get by the legality of selling it by stating it is for use for the single copy you are allowed to make. Still, I'm sure they'll see some pressure from the content providers.

Most "average" users I know play they're dvds on their tvs, not their computers. I hope they explicitly state only plays on a computer on the label, or a lot of average customers will be rather annoyed.

Finally, I remember something about dvd shrink (which is extremely easy for average users when used with dvd-decrypter, though not legal in the us) may be actually legal in the EU since CSS does not effectively protect the content. Here [pcworld.com] is a link to one of the articles. Any way we can push this through in the US?

Re:Legality, Major Limitation, DVD shrink (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919243)

I'm assuming they get by the legality of selling it by stating it is for use for the single copy you are allowed to make. Still, I'm sure they'll see some pressure from the content providers.

I believe so, since the DMCA bans the distribution of all unlicensed DRM-crackers. Whether or not the mere use of such software to make backups is covered under fair use or not is a matter of debate, but there appears to be consensus that unless the DRM makers preapproved of the software, it's illegal to distribute in the US.

IANAL, YMMV, etc.

Doesn't this still... (2, Insightful)

Coopjust (872796) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918925)

...violate the DCMA, regardless of the limitations? It cracks encryption without permission of the copyright holder...

Even so, I'll agree with other /.ers and say that I think that the title is deceptive- when people think of DVD movies, they think of movies that will play in their car or living room, not in a limited number of computers.

Real shoots itself in the head again (4, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918937)

Real just don't have a clue. If they had any sense their software would work like this:
  • You can rip any unencrypted DVD you like via a 1-click tool. For free. It takes 2-5 hours after which you have a lovely H264 or AVC file to do with as you please.
  • You can insert any encrypted DVD you like and instantly download a DRM'd digital copy of it for $2.
  • You can buy / rent movies from Real Network's online service.
    • The result is people would flock to Real Player just like they flocked to iTunes when it offered free CD ripping.

      Attempting to bilk people for $30 software that makes a DRM'd copy of a movie just isn't going to fly when free and non-free tools already exist that rip DVDs to any format you like. Especially when Real Networks is reknowned for producing bloated spyware laced crap. If you want to go free, find DVD Decrypter & Handbrake and you can rip and encode movies suitable for a variety of formats and devices. If you want non-free then use AnyDVD and Nero Recode. The tools are not as simple as they could be but they work and they work extremely well.

It's not a DVD copier (1)

Peeteriz (821290) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918947)

"the DVDs it makes will only be playable on the computer where they were created" - i.e., they are not copies of the original DVD's, and probably not DVD's at all.

Looks like a completely useless product, and the fact that it got Slashvertised shows that some people have no sense of shame at all.

Where does the money go? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24918949)

The people who made the movies, or the software creators?

Real (buffering... buffering) DVD (buffering)... (5, Funny)

FZer0 (585622) | more than 5 years ago | (#24918951)

Please (buffering...) insert the (buffering... buffering...) DVD to be co...(buffering)pied.

TOTALLY worthless (4, Informative)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919007)

Two step process for me. Mac The Ripper to decrypt/rip the entire DVD (menus and all) to a VIDEO_TS folder on my hard drive. Insert CD, click a button. Not too technical.

From there I can use VLC to play it as much as I want on any computer I copy it to. Can have a large HD full of complete DVDs immediately accessible. (and there are apps that will jukebox them for you)

From there I have to use a commercial app like Roxio's Toast to burn it to a physical CD, that works in a real DVD player. But Toast has always been a very good product, worth the coin. Drag and drop the VIDEO_TS folder into Toast and click burn. Only slightly more technical procedure than MTR.

Did I mention MTR strips out the NOOPs ("operation not permitted" when trying to FF past the FBI warning etc) and also removes region coding, during the rip?

Who on earth would pay for REALcrap?

Re:TOTALLY worthless (3, Informative)

Karlt1 (231423) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919207)

Just an FYI, if you have Mac OS X 10.5, you can place the Video_TS folder into the Movies folder (or an alias) and use Front Row.

Re:TOTALLY worthless (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919551)

oh that is good to know. I was going to ask around for jukebox software recommendations, but if front row works, that's just fine.

I wonder when Disk Utility will support burning VIDEO_TS folders?

Re:TOTALLY worthless (1)

zaren (204877) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919407)

"One" step process for me.

Fast DVD Copy to re-compile DVD and burn it to another DVD with my Mac. I only have a single-layer burner, so I get to walk through and de-select content like foreign language audio (like I can speak French!) to make some discs fit, but there's still things shipping these days on single-sided media that will fit with no re-compression.

This is how I protect the investment I make on the DVDs I buy for the kids - make a backup, give the kids the backup, hide the original. When the backup gets trashed, just re-copy the original.

Re:TOTALLY worthless (1)

Evardsson (959228) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919833)

From Mac The Ripper - you can use DVD2One to create a burnable image. (If you like.) That is the reason that all my import DVDs are stashed away safely in storage and I watch on copies burned on DL DVDs. That way when the disk gets damaged it costs me around fifty cents to replace (since I buy the discs in the 50 or 100 packs when they are on sale) rather than paying another 20 - 30 dollars for a new copy of the import.

Seems inefficient (2)

oneal13rru (1322741) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919025)

Really doesn't seem like an efficient way to go about trying to be competitive in the digital content market... maybe if they were giving away software that let you do what it does, with an online store to download... oh right, ITunes, the product they're trying to compete with... I'm gonna go with this product being screwed from the get-go.

I've never heard of a business model... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919057)

that involved publishing a product in order to get sued into oblivion.

tech is always going ahead (0, Troll)

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Unfortunately, it won't rip to an iPod (1)

Peter Simpson (112887) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919079)

Of course. That would actually be useful. Can't do that...the movie studios/MPAA would get all upset.

Guess I'll have to keep doing it myself...

Not a chance I'd use it (0, Troll)

Ancient_Hacker (751168) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919105)

I would rather dive into a swimming pool full of Ebola, triple-edged razor blades, lemon juice, and pig doots than use any software from that "R" named firm.

Every time I've been stupid and downloaded their crap, thinking, "it used to be sooooo bad, any improvement would be a treeemendous improvement", I've had to delete it within the hour. Way too much glop in there.

How hard? (4, Informative)

ledow (319597) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919145)

DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink. How hard is it, really?

I could teach my wife to do that in about five minutes. As an added bonus, it's free, it removes region protection, it removes UOP's (possibly the most annoying part of the DVD format to most people), keeps all the menus, shrinks it onto the cheaper single-layer DVD-R's with virtually zero visible difference and it doesn't have silly restrictions. A program with silly restrictions to stop a particular format from having silly restrictions?

I just backed up a couple of my boxsets using this because they were slightly damaged when we took them on holiday with us and I don't want to pay for them again if we do damage them. The majority of the time was spent looking at a little window wending its way through the DVD and swapping discs (I only had the one DVD-writer drive plugged in at the time and had to swap original for blank constantly).

I even did it using WINE because the PC with the writer was a home Linux server, and it worked perfectly. I very much doubt you could make it THAT much simpler, except possibly joining the two programs together and incurring the wrath of the DVD industry by doing so (does this software strip region-protection? It doesn't mention it).

I can't see anybody using this... people "in-the-know" enough to distinguish between DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, DVD-RAM etc. and who know that this "is possible" are probably already doing it. I can't even get my parents to copy their CD's before they scratch them and that's a one-click operation. I can't see them doing it for their DVD's even if it's a one-click operation with this software. And, to be honest, I'd rather show them the "two-click" method that gets rids of the UOPS because that would astound them and they would kill to have that feature on their existing DVD's.

Re:How hard? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919239)

I could teach my wife to do that in about five minutes.
Why is this relevant, is your wife retarded?.

Real is not relevant (4, Insightful)

Huntr (951770) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919225)

When's the last time Real mattered? They chose the wrong path a long, long time ago and something as stupid as an automatic DRM inserter doesn't get them headed in the right direction. This company seems to have no clue about the realities of digital content use and management.

Re:Real is not relevant (2, Funny)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919431)

When's the last time Real mattered? They chose the wrong path a long, long time ago and something as stupid as an automatic DRM inserter doesn't get them headed in the right direction. This company seems to have no clue about the realities of digital content use and management.

I remember mocking its 1998 version as obsolete back in 1998, and since then they seem to have fallen farther behind their competition. So maybe 1997.

Free tools are hard (3, Insightful)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919299)

Unlike free alternatives, which generally require some technical knowledge and make it difficult to copy an entire DVD with extras, etc.,...

What??? Maybe you're right.. there are a ton of steps..

Using DVDShrink and CDBurnerXP. Steps to copy a disk:

1) Insert DVD.
2) Launch DVDShrink.
3) Select Open Disc.
4) Select Backup.
5) Choose Backup location (make note of this location).
6) When complete, exit DVDShrink.
7) Launch CDBurnerXP.
8) Select Burn Disc from ISO.
9) Eject the source DVD and insert a blank DVD.
10) Select the source ISO.
11) Press Burn.
12) Wait

Actual time outside of the wait is about 20 seconds of real work.. Of course, I've listed EVERY step. If I detailed how to save a file in Notepad it would take quite a few steps...

1) Wait until the computer boots.
2) Click on Start.
3) Click on All Programs.
4) Click on Accessories.
5) Click on Notepad.
6) Type your message into the editing window.
7) Click on File.
8) Click on Save.
9) When prompted, select a location to save your file.
10) Press OK. (or SAVE)
11) Select File.
12) Select Exit.

Re:Free tools are hard (1)

B1ackDragon (543470) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919587)

My mother used to make notes exactly like that when I showed her how to do stuff on the computer. She had half a notebook filled up. It makes me shudder just thinking about it.

Real?! (2, Insightful)

Fishbulb (32296) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919457)

They're still around?

Re:Real?! (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#24920115)

They're still around?

Old companies never die, their name is simply bought by someone that think delivering a completely different product under the same name will be better than making one for themselves. For example the new SCO had nothing to do with the old real SCO. Napster is still arond too, if only in name. I don't know why they do it, it doesn't bring out one bit of nostalgia in me it's more like they're walking on someone's grave.

AnyDVD from Slysoft (1)

WinterSilence (171450) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919501)

Slysofts AnyDVD (perhaps combined with their CloneDVD)can already very easily do that job for you backing up your DVD's to 1-1 images - if DVD-shrink or DVD-Decrypter fails to do the job. That one can also back up HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs with an extra add-on package (which all is allowed for personal backups in Denmark where I live). I like those the most cause they make 1-1 images than aren't compressed and they are really easy to use. Just click rip DVD/DISC to image (or files if you would like so). And AnyDVD does the job on an old P-4 2.4 Ghz with 1 gig ram and XP Pro to a USB disk I have in 16-30 minutes per DVD.

They still in business? (1)

Twyst3d (1359973) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919553)

I mean really? These grossly incompetent idiots are still in business? I mean I cant have possibly been the only person to uninstall real player and avoid anything of theirs and never look back no starting years ago?

handbrake is not a DVD copier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919581)

The NYT article got it wrong re handbrake (http://handbrake.fr). Handbrake does not decrypt the DVD. You have to do that elsewhere. Handbrake only rencodes it, to MP4, for example.

Article doesn't say it goes on sale today. (1)

Trauma_Hound1 (336247) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919605)

This is what the article actually says:
"The software, which will go on sale on Real.com and Amazon.com this month, will allow buyers to make one copy of a DVD".

Does not say it will be on sale today.

RealNetworks To Introduce a Simple DVD Copier (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919607)

This is a joke right?

Real Networks, wants to kill themselves. (1)

jameskojiro (705701) | more than 5 years ago | (#24919707)

As if their crummy media player wasn't doing the job fast enough I guess they figure they could accelerate things by gaining the ire of the MPAA.

free alternatives are hard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919793)

I know, the sins of using linux, but...

vobcopy to rip (encrypted? so what? extras? no problem). One command, one step, one rip

all content remains, no shrinking, etc. The result can be:

  - played using xine (complete with menus, etc.)
  - burned using k3b and then played in any player

This whole "article" is slashvertisement vs head-in-sand

ripping (albeit normally with shrinking) is commonplace. movies get traded in the workplace (and I'm not talking about IT -- I haven't seen any of this where I work, but my friends in non-IT work do it all the time).

The studios are still trying to pretend that the genie isn't out of the bottle. I discovered the existence of RCE recently. Too bad for the studios it doesn't affect my multiregion player. The improved DRM of HD-DVD and bluray are too little, too late. On Usenet there are bluray rips posted all the time. (I know, I just violated the first rule of Usenet...)

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919893)

When there are plenty of progs that will rip in to free open standard formats like DivX.

I want to rip my paid for DVDs and then dump them on my media server, ready for serving up on either the PCs, TV ( via console ) or pocket media players while down the garden.

Does it run on Linux? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24919969)

Summary neglects to say whether it runs on Linux. Not that I'm willing to lock my entertainment to one device anyway, as I have three different video technologies in the house already.

copy VTS----.vob to hd, play with VLC (1)

RandySC (9804) | more than 5 years ago | (#24920047)

I just copied one the VTS____.vob files from the VIDEO_TS of a commercial DVD to my hard disk. I then played it with VLC player. Was this supposed to be hard?

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