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The London Stock Exchange Goes Down For Whole Day

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 6 years ago | from the at-least-no-one-died-...-yet dept.

Microsoft 792

Colin Smith writes "TradElect, the Microsoft .Net based trading platform for the London Stock Exchange, was offline for about seven hours, meaning that their 5-nines SLAs are shot for approximately the next 100 years. The TradElect system was launched back in June of 2007 and was designed for increased speed and system capacity."

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The London Stock Exchange Goes Down For Whole Day (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924597)

...now if only my wife would do that! /rimshot!

Re:The London Stock Exchange Goes Down For Whole D (5, Funny)

east coast (590680) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924749)

Oh, she does... just not with you.

nudge nudge, wink wink.

Re:The London Stock Exchange Goes Down For Whole D (1, Offtopic)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924793)

The London Stock Exchange Goes Down For Whole Day (Score:0, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 08, @04:25PM (#24924597) ...now if only my wife would do that! /rimshot!

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Re:The London Stock Exchange Goes Down For Whole D (Score:0, Offtopic)
by east coast (590680) on Monday September 08, @04:32PM (#24924749)
Oh, she does... just not with you.

Damn. Talk about humorless mods. I at least got a chuckle out of that.

Re:The London Stock Exchange Goes Down For Whole D (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924907)

Oh, she does... just not with you.
nudge nudge, wink wink.

Your wife -- does she go?

Re:The London Stock Exchange Goes Down For Whole D (3, Funny)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924957)

Oh, she does... just not with you. nudge nudge, wink wink.

Your wife -- does she go?

More importantly, does she run?
More specifically, does she run Linux?

Re:The London Stock Exchange Goes Down For Whole D (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24925105)

Oh, she does... just not with you.
nudge nudge, wink wink.

Your wife -- does she go?

More importantly, does she run?

More specifically, does she run Linux?

More relevantly, does she run TradElect?

That's okay (5, Funny)

sokoban (142301) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924607)

most of the american stock exchanges have been going down all year.

Re:That's okay (5, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924819)

most of the american stock exchanges have been going down all year

My wife did that once. Nearly killed me. Come to think of it, it was just after we signed up for the life insurance ...

Re:That's okay (1)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925161)

My wife did that once.

I hear it was more than once.

99.9967% Uptime if up the next 100 years (5, Informative)

xmas2003 (739875) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924615)

Assuming 8.5 hour trading day (0700-1530) and 250 trading days/year. Maybe a squirrel caused the problem ... ;-) [komar.org]

Re:99.9967% Uptime if up the next 100 years (5, Funny)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924689)

Yeah, because they turn it on when trading starts and turn it off when trading ends.

100 years? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924617)

5 nines does not mean what you think it means.

Re:100 years? (4, Funny)

ShadowBlasko (597519) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925021)

99.999% uptime is something different?
Guess that depends on what hours it is supposed to be working doesn't it?
c/o User Friendly

"Sid, Stef
- Stef: How reliable is our network?
Sid: As far as our customers are concerned, five nines.

Stef: What does "five nines" mean?
Sid: 99.999% uptime.

Sid: Wait... Why?!
Stef: So would "reliable to nine fives" in our newspaper ad be not very good?"

let me be the first to say (-1, Offtopic)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924619)

bollucks

Re:let me be the first to say (2, Informative)

CnlPepper (140772) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925013)

bollocks

Re:let me be the first to say (2, Funny)

actionbastard (1206160) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925023)

That's 'bollocks', mate. You'd know 'em if you had 'em.

Oh, my. (4, Interesting)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924621)

So what happens when this happens again?

Re:Oh, my. (5, Funny)

gnick (1211984) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924991)

The same thing that happened this time?

Re:Oh, my. (5, Funny)

Eudial (590661) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925005)

So what happens when this happens again?

Well, first "Have you tried turning it off and on again?"
Otherwise, "Are you sure it's plugged in?"

Re:Oh, my. (5, Insightful)

Coraon (1080675) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925035)

Followed by the youngest member of the team becoming the scape goat and being fired.

Re:Oh, my. (5, Interesting)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925031)

Actually this is "again".

The LSE used to run on HP-NonStop (w/ Cobol and C as far as I can find) but still managed to take itself down for 8 hours in 2000.

If they're going to go down for a day every 7-8 years it might as well be cheaper and faster. (Articles quote the CTO as citing 10x performance increases).

(All based on a quick google search)

So before the hounds descend upon Microsoft it would seem the LSE has a history managing to bring down whatever system they run on.

Re:Oh, my. (4, Funny)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925121)

But new computer systems should make things more reliable, along with more experienced coders and better languages.

Ugly Day (4, Informative)

pyite (140350) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924623)

It was an ugly day of finger-pointing and near-fixes, but in the end, it just left all the financial firms standing there staring at the Exchange. Definitely was a big deal--and it seemed like a lot of volume spilled over to US markets, creating volume related issues here.

MS should hurry up and patent.... (4, Funny)

3seas (184403) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924629)

.... a method of controlling the market.

Patch Tuesday (5, Funny)

caluml (551744) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924631)

But Patch Tuesday is tomorrow?

Re:Patch Tuesday (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924829)

But Patch Tuesday is tomorrow?

Exactly.

Re:Patch Tuesday (0)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924843)

I had to do a double take.....

I read that as Butt Patch Tuesday.

Re:Patch Tuesday (2, Funny)

Anarke_Incarnate (733529) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924925)

Is it "Talk like an Ass-Pirate Day" already? Wow thailor, I mutht've forgotten all about it, you thilly gooth.

Re:Patch Tuesday (0)

CambodiaSam (1153015) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924977)

I believe Microsoft is going to need a Butt Patch after this.

That's some strange math... (0, Redundant)

porkmusket (954006) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924633)

Since when is 7 hours even close to "a whole day"? Maybe you meant "almost a whole business day"?

Re:That's some strange math... (5, Insightful)

pyite (140350) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924665)

Since when is 7 hours even close to "a whole day"? Maybe you meant "almost a whole business day"?

It's a whole trading day--and that's all that really matters when it comes to a major market.

Still don't know why... (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924637)

It could have been MS's fault, or it might not have been... not clear from the article.

Re:Still don't know why... (4, Insightful)

eggoeater (704775) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924741)

Agreed. It's a bit of flame-bait mentioning them in the summary when the exchange is being tight-lipped about what the root-cause is (if they even know at this point.) I do a lot of .NET stuff and, like other platforms eg. Java, there's many things that could cause problems, like plain old programming bugs.

Re:Still don't know why... (-1, Flamebait)

DarkVader (121278) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924853)

Even if it's not a M$ bug this time, what kind of idiot runs a critical system on ANYTHING from M$?

Doing it on a stock exchange, while not the same risk to life obviously, is like putting windoze on a control system running a heart-lung machine.

Not even Linux is up to that. You certainly don't run it on the bug-fest that comes out of Micro$oft.

Re:Still don't know why... (1)

im_thatoneguy (819432) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925127)

No you run that sort of thing on dedicated hardware which can't be improved, modified or enhanced cheaply or easily as the market dictates. Apparently every other exchange in the world is also run by idiots--seeing as none of them use dedicated purpose-built hardware.

Re:Still don't know why... (5, Insightful)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925029)

Wait! Are you suggesting that downtime can be caused by application problems, network problems, hardware problems, dumbass systems administrators and a whole slew of other things completed unrelated to the platform on which it is running?

I am *shocked*! *Shocked* I tell you!

Re:Still don't know why... (1)

lgw (121541) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924813)

Yeah - was this a hardware problem? A windows problem? A .NET problem? Or a normal code problem?

I'm betting on the last one. Trying to do realtime financial stuff in managed code seems odd to me. OK, fine, you don't worry about memory leaks, but it's not like that's the hard problem in this domain.

Re:Still don't know why... (-1, Troll)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925025)

Im betting that it was a PEBKAC, specially the one that picked MS .NET for such critical app.

Reliability? (5, Funny)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924639)

Looks like someone needs to brush up on their buzzwords, specifically "mission critical" and "services no longer required".

d'OH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924641)

Please reboot me.

In other NEWS... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924643)

Microsoft's founder Bill Gates, wiggles his fanny in the Brit's general direction...

Good lord, they're running on Windows? Why? (0, Flamebait)

echtertyp (1094605) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924677)

That's just nuts. I don't understand the rationale for that at all, in this day and age.

Re:Good lord, they're running on Windows? Why? (2, Insightful)

fotbr (855184) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924755)

Perhaps the bit you're missing is that windows isn't quite as bad as the /. crowd likes to say it is. Especially if its an older (translation: fixed & stable) variety like win2k or even nt4.

Re:Good lord, they're running on Windows? Why? (5, Insightful)

Hyppy (74366) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924873)

Perhaps the bit you're missing is that windows isn't quite as bad as the /. crowd likes to say it is. Especially if its an older (translation: fixed & stable) variety like win2k or even nt4.

I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but surely you aren't trying to compare NT4 uptime with the 5 9s of a solid System z platform?

Re:Good lord, they're running on Windows? Why? (0, Troll)

DarkVader (121278) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924903)

No, it's not "quite as bad".

It's worse. With those old ones, it's far, far worse.

Re:Good lord, they're running on Windows? Why? (2, Interesting)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924965)

Perhaps the bit you're missing is that windows isn't quite as bad as the /. crowd likes to say it is. Especially if its an older (translation: fixed & stable) variety like win2k or even nt4.

A) Yes, in fact, it is quite that bad (just not as bad as when it was first released) and

B) There is no "fixed and stable" version of .NET yet. At least none I would hinge my mission critical business on.

Re:Good lord, they're running on Windows? Why? (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925011)

30 times burnt, 31st time shy.
There's only so much "But this one is actually really good" that I can accept.

Re:Good lord, they're running on Windows? Why? (3, Interesting)

SimonBelmont (1089255) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925123)

Even if MS is able to make Windows good at what it is and generally reliable, what it is is not a high-SLA platform intended for mission critical systems, so there's really no excuse. I don't think NSA/CIA/DoD would say, "The security model of Windows isn't quite as bad as the /. crowd likes to say it is. Sure, we haven't reviewed it, but the IT guy says it will help us leverage synergy to effect better ROI."

Re:Good lord, they're running on Windows? Why? (5, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924887)

Oh please. Persuasive marketers can get Windows installed just about anywhere including US war ships.

While it is commonly accepted by many techies (and strongly denied by others) that Microsoft Windows is not a suitable platform for that level of computing, sales people often bypass the techies who know better and sell to managers and executives who still believe "you can't get fired for using Microsoft."

With all this said, it will be quite some time (and possibly never) that we will ever know for certain what is at the root cause of the failure. You can be sure that Microsoft is all over this problem both technically and P.R.-wise. They won't let the facts get out if they are damaging. Recall the major power outage that many still believe was caused by a worm attacking Microsoft servers? As far as I can see, the true cause of that failure has yet to be revealed.

But if this was a planned event, or an unplanned disaster resulting from a planned event gone bad (updates, upgrade, other maintenance), you would think they would have provided for mishaps in some way or another.

But as this news story is all I have to go on, there is no indication of cause and so I will not presume this is a Microsoft problem. But it says a lot that NYSE runs on Linux and not Microsoft. It seems SOMEONE did listen to the techies.

Re:Good lord, they're running on Windows? Why? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924945)

My goodness! You believe in God? ("Good lord") That's just nuts. I don't understand the rationale for that at all, in this day and age

It appears high load/usage crippled the system... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924691)

No different then what can happen on a unix box I suppose.

Wait for it... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924701)

.Net is pants!

single page (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924705)

I wish people would get into the habit of linking to the single page version of the FA [reuters.com] .

HA HA (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924717)

Someone used a MS system for something important?

Wow that was stupid.

Misleading summary (5, Informative)

denoir (960304) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924723)

The summary implies that TradElect was responsible for the shutdown, but according to the stock exchange itself, it wasn't [itworld.com] the case. They say instead it was a network problem.

Potentially misleading summary (3, Insightful)

Reality Master 201 (578873) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924841)

The exchange insists the problem was connectivity, not the trading platform.

Not to sound overly cynical, but I'd hardly expect them to acknowledge the problem if it were the trading platform that was the issue. That'd kind of be business suicide.

Re:Misleading summary (1)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924855)

Honestly, I'm not sure if I believe that. They have their system's reputation to protect...

Re:Misleading summary (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924891)

See, that's why they should have used J2EE instead. If they had, no one would have been able to tell the difference between the network working and the normal slow crawl that Java users are accustomed to.

(Seriously, though, the summary needs to be rewritten. Slashdot is blaming TradeElect as a proxy for Microsoft due to a, uh, slight anti-Microsoft bias.)

Re:Misleading summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24925037)

(Seriously, though, the summary needs to be rewritten. Slashdot is blaming TradeElect as a proxy for Microsoft due to a, uh, slight anti-Microsoft bias.)

Agreed on the summary - but then again, what else do you expect here on the slash? I've gotten used to the fact that the editors only post submissions that have inflammatory and often just plain incorrect summaries - often having little (or nothing) to do with the actual story.

Most of the comments also jump on that bandwagon of "flame MS" or "flame RIAA" or whatever - but there are a few folks out there whose comments are well worth skimming through the constant crap.

Re:Misleading summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924899)

How could a system so important have such a lousy private network to reach out and connect with the traders... that a single problem could disconnect
them all??

Ask me, building a system for 5 9s and not having a network capable of support it is rather foolish to say the least.

I have no idea if the traders can VPN into the private network or if they order a point to point T1 from the ILEC... but one would think a network issue would not drop "everyone" from the system.

Any clues are welcome.

Re:Misleading summary (5, Insightful)

tgatliff (311583) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924909)

Why the heck they were using MS Windows for this type of environment is stunning... Transactional processing which is the bulk of this type of setup is where Solaris and Linux excel. Any company that builds a system like that on .Net should be thown out on the street.

In short.. Not to rock on Windows, but different platforms always offer different strengths..

Re:Misleading summary (5, Insightful)

japhering (564929) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925061)

As is normally the case M$ threw lots of money at the exchange to get it to switch unix/linux base to windows net so that M$ can tout that a major exchange is running windows.

Full page ads touting the switch and the reasons they cited were better through put and better up time.

They even had ads touting it here on /.

Re:Misleading summary (0, Flamebait)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925067)

What utter bullshit. There are lots of mission critical business systems running on Windows and .NET. You just don't know what you're talking about, that's all.

One incident with unknown causes (I didn't see anything in the article about .NET or even Windows) used as a laughable excuse to "rock on" windows is a little silly.

Re:Misleading summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24925187)

It's all OK. According to their EULA Microsoft will reimburse the stock exchange $5.00 (US) if the customer is unhappy with their purchase.

Captcha: bounty and so pertinent!

Re:Misleading summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24925099)

The conversion from a decades old unix based solution to the shiny new MS system was a feature article on Microsoft's anti-linux site, "Get the facts" for quite a while. Here's the case study: http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/casestudy.aspx?casestudyid=200042 . Their "speed increase" or "latency decrease" was to the direct data clients of the LSE, but in fact most traders get their data through another tier or two, making the speed increase to the handful of immediate clients inconsequential for the bulk of users. Further, the massive computer cluster, which was based on 120 machines has now proved to be no more reliable than a well engineered COBOL solution on mainframes.

I hope the community will pass this story on. After reading MS "bigging themselves up" about the LSE, its ironic to see how hard they fall. This is an excellent example of what any good techie knows, the simpler the solution, the better.

Re:Misleading summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24925141)

In short, not to rock on Solaris and Linux, but .Net is a damned fine development framework and can handle itself very well TYVM.

If Windows showed the signs of proper design that .Net does, Linux wouldn't need to exist. (Before you flame, note that I think Linux needs to exist to offset Windows' current crappyness.)

I'm sort of a .Net fanboy. Windows... not so much. I just wish someone big would jump in an make Mono worthwhile. (IBM? Red Hat? Apple? I don't care who.) I know Apple's thinking about it, seeing as some as-yet-unused dynamic launch hooks were added to the kernel in the last major OS X release that would allow it to support managed runtime stuff without intermediary layers.

Re:Misleading summary (4, Informative)

Hyppy (74366) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924971)

if it was a network problem, then they're in more trouble than the summary implies. It's relatively simple to get 100% uptime (minus a dropped packet or two) in a network. The key here is redundancy. If you throw enough hardware at it, yes, it will not break.

Internal? Dual(+) homed servers, redundant switches, redundant AC, redundant power.
External? BGP on 2 or more transits on separate physical runs.

What, you say that you need to account for natural disasters? Then get a second site, at least a few hundred miles away, and repeat.

Virtual 100% uptime is a solved problem in the networking world.

Re:Misleading summary (1)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925135)

Alright! Who looped the switch back into itself?

Surprised? It's M$ crapware! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924727)

They should have seen this coming when they signed the deal to buy M$ crapware...

Re:Surprised? It's M$ crapware! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24925079)

STFU Twitter you silly little cunt!!!

No amount of butt-wiggling (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924751)

is going to bring back a lost day of trading.

How many failures before.. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924753)

..people realise that Microsoft products just aren't suitable for mission critical stuff.
And why wasn't there a backup system?

Re:How many failures before.. (5, Informative)

KernelMuncher (989766) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924995)

When I worked in academia I used to collaborate on a research project with a data architect from one of the major electronic exchanges. His whole shop is MS and .NET. I asked him why he didn't run Linux / Unix. He said that with competent guys the MS boxes had great uptime. Wall Street can afford to pay the top salaries so they attract guys who really know their stuff. Not just semi-competent people who managed to sit through an MSCE exam. [his words not mine]

Also he said support was crucial for his company. If something went down, he wanted to be able to call someone immediately. He couldn't afford to just post a question on a message board and hope someone replies. He wanted contracts with 3rd party support that had experience with similar huge enterprise systems that he had.

When I said there were companies who could provide excellent Linux support, he said his ass was on the line if something broke so he wanted to be able to justify his software choice to the the C-level guys. And those guys knew the name Microsoft. So he didn't see anything else as an option.

performed as expected... (5, Funny)

markana (152984) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924765)

"and was designed for increased speed and system capacity"

and see - it went down far faster and more completely than the previous system would have been able to. So that's progress. It's all in how you present it.

They upgraded to Vista over the weekend... (1)

vistahator (1330955) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924779)

I guess that didn't work out so well.

Delicious (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924825)

I want a churro.

you're doing it wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24924831)

.Net is pants!

Too much enthusiasm. You need to convey a sense of exasperated, yet restrained disappointment.

Re:you're doing it wrong (0, Troll)

chill (34294) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925077)

sigh... .Net is pants.

Better?

5 nines? (5, Funny)

andreyvul (1176115) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924847)

So their 9.9999% uptime is screwed?

Nothing taxes can't fix (5, Funny)

heroine (1220) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924921)

After the malfunction, TradElect was immediately bought by UK's government for $200 billion and all its debts waved. In an unrelated story, medicare tax was raised yet again because of an unexpected shortfall.

.NET clearly to blame...... (3, Insightful)

heffrey (229704) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924929)

.....I mean, there couldn't be any other possible cause for the problem.

Suckers (0, Redundant)

overtly_demure (1024363) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924947)

Everybody always gladly buys the MS line. It's some kind of permanent institutionalized suspension of disbelief.

To paraphrase what they used to say back in the day about IBM, nobody ever got fired for buying into Microsoft.

What do Brits say when stuff like this happens? (1)

TehDon (1302561) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924961)

"Blimey!"

"Whom is the one to blame for this, for I shall kick their arse!"

"They made a bollocks of our stock exchange!"

Re:What do Brits say when stuff like this happens? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24925131)

Doth thou really think that we speaketh like that? Only the commoners and serfs speaketh so. For the majority of us, thou would not be able to tell if thou were conversing with a Brit or a fellow American. Tally ho.

Re:What do Brits say when stuff like this happens? (3, Interesting)

julesh (229690) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925175)

You've seen the first scene of "four weddings and a funeral", surely?

What, no ads? (5, Funny)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924981)

Does anyone else remember the "The london stock exchange chose windows 2003 for reliability, they didn't choose linux" ad banners that used to run all over the place, including slashdot if i remember?
Funny how it's all come crashing down...

"The london stock exchange chose windows, but after 7 hours of downtime wishes they had chosen linux".

5-nines SLA (4, Informative)

skeeto (1138903) | more than 6 years ago | (#24924987)

"5-nines SLA"

I had to look this up, so I imagine other people didn't know it either (I thought was was a stock exchange term). First Google search result reveals the answer,

The Battle With "3 Nines" and The Goal of "5 Nines" [cubiccompass.com]

Reminds me of that day... (-1, Flamebait)

harrie_o (1350423) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925017)

Reminds me of that day... when Britain tried to "float" the pound sterling and it dropped and dropped and dropped til US bailed its ally out with a big Fed cash infusion.

The EU spirits are high from Bush bashing, so easy any child can do it. Now the US is about to undertake the massive bailouts of its mortgage industry no one will come to Britain's aid if they stumble right now.

No one will come to Polands, Czeck, Slovacks, Estonians, Lithuanians, and Latvians, just like no one came to aide Georgians.

A very dark winder will fall. The Russians are back and cash rich, and the Americans are no longer in a financial place to help anyone.

But there is light ahead ... its morning again in America if McCain comes in -- its back to America speaks softly and carry a big stick (to replace bush speaks loudly and carries no stick at all). But the light might be an on-coming trainwreck if Obama and the Pelosi republi-Crats who just legalized spying on their own citizens get in power (McCain did not vote for this) then its socialism for America and continued waning influence anywhere (even here).

Europe step up and help us stabilize Iraq. Stop Bush-bashing and help us save the world from the real threat ... a re-emerging Russia under Putin.

Re:Reminds me of that day... (1)

jabuzz (182671) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925183)

What day was that? Or do you mean after the Second World War, when the UK was right royally shafted by the USA, and we have just finished pay our debt of on.

Revenge (1)

pcolaman (1208838) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925053)

I guess this is the response from Microsoft for the EU's finding that Microsoft has violated anti-monopoly laws in Europe. Lesson to be learned? Don't fuck with MS.

ketan (5, Interesting)

ketan324 (1085019) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925059)

The LSE going down is a big deal. The US exchanges have been trying very hard to displace LSE's strong hold in the EUROPEAN markets. With the merger of NYSE/Euronext and NASDAQ/OMX this cuts market share and faith in LSE as everyday passes. Additionally with continued tech issues, NASDAQ could reinvigorate their bid for LSE again! I work for a data major data vendor, and I know from experience the NYSE and NASDAQ are much more reliable than their European counterparts. Also LSE going down today is huge, considering the news on Fannie/Freddie, WAMU, Lehman, and the WRONG news on United Airlines. Many arbitrage opportunities were lost for LSE traders.

A stroll down memory lane... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24925063)

The new platform has been designed to the highest levels of resilience with comprehensive back up, which includes dual processing at two sites and recovery from component failure within a second.

from LSE TradElect system goes live [onwindows.com] , OnWindows.com, 18 June 2007

Quote .NET (4, Funny)

Legion_SB (1300215) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925081)

.NET garbage collector: "Oops, that wasn't garbage!"

Uhhh, what? (0, Redundant)

6164n3rd (669545) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925087)

Why is Microsoft getting dragged into this discussion? There's no mention of them in the main article, nor in the itworld.com article linked above. And yet this story gets tagged with "microsoft" and given the Bill/Borg icon just because TradElect uses .NET? I'll admit Microsoft has it's share of issues, but let's reserve credit/blame for when it's actually due.

It's official. (4, Insightful)

RightSaidFred99 (874576) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925119)

Most of you are morons. Let me get this straight. TradElect is .NET based. TradElect failed. Ergo, Windo$e sucks, M$ sucks. and .N$T sucks, etc... You'd think you were technically illiterate morons or something who think that all or even most system failures are caused by the platform or programming language.

Let me explain computers to you. See, the developer uses a set of platforms, languages, integration components, etc.. to deliver his functionality to the end user. A failure at any level can cause the application to fail. It could be application logic, network issues, hardware issues, integration with third party systems, a dipship systems administrator, etc...

And yet the 90-105 IQ SlashDweeb set comes out in numbers with no data and says "lolz Windoze! .NET haha!". Crikey.

Quick! get the VAX! (0, Flamebait)

Nation XII (933039) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925129)

AHeehehahahahahaa! Microlimp's operating system will never be "Enterprise Ready". They should have stayed running on OpenVMS and continued to enjoy flawless 10+years of uptime, instead of this pathetic "five-9's". VMS on any platform FTW!

What about nine fives? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#24925147)

If they only promised nine fives of reliability [userfriendly.org] they'd be back up to snuff by Wednesday.

It's remarkable... (1)

actionbastard (1206160) | more than 6 years ago | (#24925165)

That this story hasn't been picked up by the major network's (CNN, Fox, MSNBC) websites yet. It's three bloody hours old.
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