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Users Report Faulty WPA In 2nd-Gen IPod Touch

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the soft-touch dept.

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jesuscash writes "It seems early adopters of the new iPod Touch are out of luck when they bring it home and attempt to connect it to their WPA/WPA2 secured network. Reading this Apple forum thread shows that many tests with different configurations show a no-go on WPA. Some of the last entries give the best clue, revealing a 'received deauthentication' error in their router logs. Apple has yet to respond."

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Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997441)

Can I get a WTF?!

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997471)

Because WEP is horribly, horribly broken, and the only two options an iPod touch has of connecting to an access point are to use WEP, which is almost as bad as plaintext at this point, or use plaintext.

To use the ever-present car analogy, it would be like one of a car's most advertised features only working if you removed all the locks, and then complaining that somebody covered it by saying "A single bug is worthy of coverage? Can I get a WTF?!".

... That WAS a car analogy, right?

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997491)

.. That WAS a car analogy, right?

I'm not sure, you lost me at anal.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997499)

The last time I checked, not having working wpa access on an ipod touch didnt render it totally useless.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997517)

You need to work on your reading comprehension. Quote the GP:

To use the ever-present car analogy, it would be like one of a car's most advertised features only working if you removed all the locks

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997543)

Last time *I* checked, having unencrypted Wi-fi *does* renders Wi-fi completely useless. Useless as in having unknown people downloading terabytes of crap over your pipes in the dozens.

So yes, having no Wi-fi connection doesn't render an iPod completely useless, but it sure takes away most of the fun.

And no, I will not switch my Wi-fi over to unencrypted or laughable WEP. Not because of a single bugged device and not because anything else. Living near the city centre with 100 households or more within my Wi-fi range prohibits even thinking about that.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (1)

lightknight (213164) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998099)

You know, you could just lock down the list of mac addresses that are cleared to access the WAP...

Cuts down the traffic quite a bit, I imagine. Also, you could just not broadcast the SID...

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (1)

neuromanc3r (1119631) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998181)

I would assume that almost everybody capable of cracking WEP also knows how to spoof a MAC adress and find "hidden" access points.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (1)

teh kurisu (701097) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998567)

How do you find a MAC address that works?

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (2, Informative)

neuromanc3r (1119631) | more than 5 years ago | (#24999087)

Sniffing the AP's traffic. That admittedly requires the AP to actually be used every now and then, but I wouldn't want to "secure" my wifi by not using it...

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (1)

foniksonik (573572) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998471)

Huh... that's what i thought everyone did....

Encryption slows everything down, so your already limited bandwidth over WiFI is cut even more...

then add multiple machines sharing that over encrypted channels...

Really if you need an encrypted channel your best bet is to set up a VPN to where you want to go securely.

Websites that need secure channels already do so with SSL, email can be done with PGP... then there's SSH and again VPNs.

If you just have to have an encrypted WiFI network available, routers are cheap, so just buy an extra one and hook it up to your standard modem as an additional device, then use it when you need it. You should still be locking the MAC addresses down to those devices that need access to ti.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (5, Funny)

jamesh (87723) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997483)

Can I get a WTF?!

If you can't get WPA or WPA2, then I think your chances of getting a WTF are close to zero.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (0, Flamebait)

Koiu Lpoi (632570) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997487)

I'll probably get modded down for this, but there seems to have been a stream of negative Apple/iPod Touch articles lately, to cater to the "hate the touch" crowd around here. Maybe I'm cynical, or maybe my tin foil hat is on too tight, but this just stinks of the same quality as the occasional "MS did something not noteworthy, but we can spin it to be negative" article.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (4, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997533)

When a company grabs enough market share this sort of thing is bound to happen when they screw up. It becomes news. People like to hate the 'big guys' (MS Sony, etc) and frequently for very good reason. Imagine how sloppy they'd get if people weren't all over them for their mistakes.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (1)

S-100 (1295224) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998599)

True, problems always happen, but "Apple has yet to respond" is the usual tactic for them. They always attempt a cover-up (no comment, deleting forum posts, etc.) and then, magically, the problem is acknowledged once a fix appears. That their customers are left in the dark seems of little interest to them.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (3, Funny)

kirbysuperstar (1198939) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997631)

I'll probably get modded down for this, but there seems to have been a stream of negative Apple/iPod Touch articles lately

It's actually a subtle counter to Engadget's "We compare the iPhone to a plasma TV and find out which is better" articles.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997645)

Wipe the apple fanboi drivel from your chin, the ipod touch is getting slammed recently because apple have introduced a number of bugs for it with their awful 2.1 update. I suggest you check their forums to see just how many problems have occurred since this rubbish `upgrade'. You'll note apple has not acknowledged a single one. Playing the microsoft game of pretending there are no issues. They also prevent you from rolling back to a previous version. So it is tough-shit if you upgraded.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (2, Interesting)

onefriedrice (1171917) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998583)

Has Apple ever acknowledged minor bugs, let alone major bugs or security vulnerabilities? No, they just silently fix them in the coming software updates. And I do mean silently, since they don't seem to release public changelogs either.

They don't pretend they're not issues, they just don't disclose them or "acknowledge" them, especially on their support forums which are community discussions. In the case of security vulnerabilities, I wish they would disclose some problems, but the simple fact is that they don't, and that's how it's always been.

Furthermore, for the record, I have no problems at all with 2.1, and the improvements were very welcome. Also, you certainly can roll back to previous versions. In iTunes you can select the firmware to "restore" to, so your last statement is just misinformation.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (4, Insightful)

jmpeax (936370) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997685)

this just stinks of the same quality as the occasional "MS did something not noteworthy, but we can spin it to be negative"

Broken WPA is pretty bad. I mean this is a product that has supposedly finished testing and gone to market, and a basic network security/authentication feature isn't working. This is definitely news.

As for your comparison with Microsoft, consider what you would be saying if this had happened with the Zune.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (5, Funny)

Babbster (107076) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998299)

As for your comparison with Microsoft, consider what you would be saying if this had happened with the Zune.

Is this one of those "if a tree falls in the forest would it make a sound" questions?

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (4, Insightful)

Heembo (916647) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997843)

wpa 1/2 has been supported by other consumer facing products for several years. Apple is supposed to be about high quality devices that we are happy to pay a premium for. Security is a big deal these days. For Apple to release a product with such a key feature horribly broken is - horrible; this is not a made-up complaint.

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997883)

wait a minute, wasn't the problem limited to D-Link wireless access points? If so, wouldn't that point the laser of blame over to D-Link?

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998409)

What is happening to Apple,anyway? They used to be the "It just works" company,but lately it seems they are taking pages out of the MSFT book and releasing buggy crap,and even going nuts with the DRM [slashdot.org] like MSFT. And at least MSFT has an excuse,since Bill was stupid enough to leave a dancing monkey [youtube.com] in charge,so what is up with Apple?

It seems like with the Vista hatred brewing they would be going the extra mile to show their stuff "just works" so they can grab market share,instead of this crap. I mean,who in their right mind would use WEP these days? Your average 15 year old with access to Google can hack it! But as always this is my 02c,YMMV

Re:Single apple ipod touch bug slashdot worthy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998623)

Are you really this stupid offline as well?

QC? (4, Insightful)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997451)

I would have thought this is the kind of undocumented feature that should have been picked up in the most cursory testing. If Apple was that hasty in bringing this product to market, they are not going to do their reputation any favours.

Re:QC? (3, Interesting)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997579)

Their reputation for stuff just working has been in the shitter for the past year at least. Almost everything they release has been plagued with bug after bug after bug. iPhone 2.0, Mobile Me, Leopard the list goes on. Hell, I haven't even been able to get the Genius thing to work, all I get is an extremely unhelpful 4010 error....

Maybe Steve's policy of not significantly increasing engineering staff is finally biting Apple in the ass. I know that when I use my Mac nowadays its hard to remember that I'm NOT using a Microsoft product, Apple's stuff is just as buggy.

Re:QC? (0, Troll)

purpleraison (1042004) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997875)

Their reputation for stuff just working has been in the shitter for the past year at least. Almost everything they release has been plagued with bug after bug after bug. iPhone 2.0, Mobile Me, Leopard the list goes on. Hell, I haven't even been able to get the Genius thing to work, all I get is an extremely unhelpful 4010 error....

Maybe Steve's policy of not significantly increasing engineering staff is finally biting Apple in the ass. I know that when I use my Mac nowadays its hard to remember that I'm NOT using a Microsoft product, Apple's stuff is just as buggy.

Wow- so little of this is true that I just have to wonder if you've ever owned a Mac in this century?

I've not had any problems with Leopard on any of my Macs.

Re:QC? (3, Insightful)

springbox (853816) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997943)

And some people don't have any problems with Vista

Re:QC? (-1, Flamebait)

onefriedrice (1171917) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998457)

The difference of course being that most people have a lot of problems with Vista, and only some people have problems with Leopard.
Just pointing out the obvious...

Re:QC? (1)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 5 years ago | (#24999245)

But there are more people with no problems with Leopard than people with no problems with Vista.

Re:QC? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 5 years ago | (#24999665)

But there are more people with no problems with Leopard than people with no problems with Vista.

How would you or anybody else know? The people with no problems don't bitch. The people who do bitch aren't necessarily even people with the product to have problems with. Noise on the internet != scientific statistical survey.

Re:QC? (2, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997995)

Lets see, in immediate sight I have 2 mac pros, a powermac g4 and a powermac g5 with a macbook pro sitting on my desk and an iPhone in my pocket. So yeah, I do know a little something about macs, as we use them at work and I have found their server offerings to be utter crap. On the Desktop Leopard isn't terrible, certainly better than Vista, but the first couple iterations were pretty buggy. And you cannot argue that the iPhone 2.0(and the first batch of 3gs) wasn't buggy, Steve Jobs has even gone on record saying that mobileme was buggy, and the list goes on. For a company that advertises that they have no bugs, they certainly have a lot.

Re:QC? (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998513)

On the Desktop Leopard isn't terrible, certainly better than Vista, but the first couple iterations were pretty buggy.

Notoriously so. But you sort of expect that with (n+1).0 versions of just about anything. By the time I got around to installing Leopard, pretty much all the bugs had been squashed, and I have no complaints.

You mentioned that genius thing not working, so I just fired it up to see how it went. It didn't crash, but the playlists it came up with don't qualify IMO for the appellation of "Genius". I think something between "Cretin" and "Moron" might be more appropriate. :-)

But my music collection has probably confounded it; about 55% jazz of various flavours, lots of baroque and classical, with liberal splashings of popular, folk and world music. Maybe I'm the genius. Ha. >8-|

Re:QC? (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998661)

thats my only issuewith genius, it sworking but it seems to choke on music with no record on the music store. I know my collection which holds a ton of darkwave/goth stuff from college, and music from game soundtracks, completely kills it to the point it shows me the top hits.

Re:QC? (1)

Syrente (990349) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998353)

"Oh really, your leg is broken? Well, see, the thing is I have a leg... and it's not broken nor does it hurt when I walk, so I don't believe you. Have you ever really had a leg in this century?"

See what I'm saying?

Re:QC? (1)

purpleraison (1042004) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998937)

wow - some windows fanboy marked my last post as 'troll' when my post was in response to an ACTUAL troll post :p

gotta love the /.

Re:QC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998377)

About 18 months ago I set up a wireless network for some guys. Normally, I get paid for this, but in their case it was a "favor". So I do all the normal stuff, explain to them how to add a MAC to the white list, the function of the secret word, and the importance of not giving passwords out, and keeping them at least somewhat strong. I get a call a month later that it's not working and I need to fix it, cause one of them has a new Mac Book. So I finish my day, drive over and the guy with the shiney new Mac is all proud. "I fixed it he tells me." So now I'm proud, my foresight has paid off. I left instructions, they were followed. "My Mac told me to just factory reset the router. It just works!" he proclaims. Yeah... doesn't use WPA you say? I'm not surprised. You know people are following those "helpful instructions" in offices out there. I can't even really blame the people. I don't have millions of dollars backing up my brand to give me the venier of authority. It's in the help file. The idea that Apple would endorse completely nuking the first layers of security is slightly implausable. Demanding that everyone know the minutia of network security is ridiculous. Not everyone at Apple cares about their work. Which is a situation you'll find everywhere.

Re:QC? (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998693)

"My Mac told me to just factory reset the router. It just works!" he proclaims. Yeah... doesn't use WPA you say? I'm not surprised.

That is such a horrible story, I don't know whether to believe it or not.

Suffice to say that one of the better characteristics of Macs is that I've found they have always interfaced seamlessly with any WAP I have ever used, regardless of what protocol it employs. Not that this has anything to do with iPods, but still... (Disclaimer: I am not necessarily a Mac fanboy, but IMO they do make a much less frustrating thing to administer than windows boxes.)

Re:QC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998577)

I know that when I use my Mac nowadays its hard to remember that I'm NOT using a Microsoft product, Apple's stuff is just as buggy.

Try using Parallels so you can run Windows on a Mac... and get the worst of both worlds! Plus, it virtualizes your graphics and all other device access as well. (Imagine playing a game where all graphics operations are done in software to a frame buffer in RAM, which is then block copied to the actual graphics adapter.) Welcome to MY nightmare!

Re:QC? (2, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998629)

Its not that its shifted, its that for various reasons people are riding Apple harder than Microsoft or Dell, HP etc.. Obviously it's their own fault. Advertising it "just works" means people will go out of their way to prove it doesn't. But the media has been especially hard on Apple since while owning less of the market they ARE the more popular of the computer manufactures. so you have situations like this, where antidotal evidence turns into 30, 40 50% of people are having issues with no data to even come CLOSE to backing up the claim. Or the iPhone of which everyone blamed Apple for what turned out to be AT&Ts shitty 3G service.

But contrary to your belief Leopard has been fine, as has the genius service beyond the first day where they had store issues. So if your having problems with them its more likely your issue. And contrary to our Dell machines which constantly arrive broken and needing warrantee repair, I have not repaired a Apple computer in our district of sent them out for repair in 6 years.

Re:QC? (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 5 years ago | (#24999389)

Huh? The difference between Dell, HP, etc. and Apple is(was?) that Apple's costed more but you were getting a much better experience. That used to be true up until right about the time the iPhone was released. Since then it seems that Apple's quality has gone down the tubes largely because I think they are trying to spread their engineering resources too thin. There is word out there that they are constructing a new campus, so maybe Apple's name will again be synonymous with quality, but thats not for a while. I don't mind paying for quality, but if you are going to deliver a buggy product, then don't charge me a lot of money. Simple as that.

Fat Steve/Skinny Steve (1)

slyborg (524607) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998979)

It's sort of the inverse of Fat Elvis/Skinny Elvis.

Things have really gone down the intertubes since Steve went all macrobiotic and emaciated on us. There seems to be a definite correlation between Steve's mass and Apple product quality.

Maybe it's time for Jobs to spend some "quality time" at Old Country Buffet.

Slow news day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997465)

Another Apple article? Why not pepper up the article lineup with SCO articles, three a day. Yeah, that's it.

Yawn.

The Sony Syndrome (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997467)

Seems it's very hard to push stuff out quickly without getting into quality issues. Problem for Apple is that they depend even more than Microsoft on locking in their users. One bad experience, and people will take the pain to find an alternative, and then escape.

I love my Mac gadgets but the deal seems to be going wrong, and my next MP3 player and phone is going to have to be a lot more open.

Re:The Sony Syndrome (2, Interesting)

amdpox (1308283) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997503)

Yes, I think the improvement of usability of open platforms is going to see Apple having problems with their traditional proprietary approach... let's hope that alternatives like Android get some mainstream press and that the consumers start voting with their wallets.

Re:The Sony Syndrome (4, Insightful)

KasperMeerts (1305097) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997509)

Some quality issues? OK.

But WPA encryption is something huge!
Since WEP doesn't work this means that you can only connect to unsecured network. And I'm not going to remove encryption because Timmy with his iPod Touch wants to check his mails.

Re:The Sony Syndrome (4, Insightful)

aix tom (902140) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997745)

And I'm not going to remove encryption because Timmy with his iPod Touch wants to check his mails.

Unless "Timmy" is your clueless CEO and goes "Me got present from wife. Me want to check email"

Re:The Sony Syndrome (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998925)

The needless "hurry" and pissing contest has hit both Microsoft and Apple, it is really hard to understand why they hurry.

It is not just iPod/iPhone... Look at Vista first edition, Leopard 10.5.0 and lately, iTunes 8 for Windows.

What do they have to prove? What would happen if Vista and Leopard was delayed for more testing? What is that hurry for?

iredintly thye dorfomarnt (-1)

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Re:iredintly thye dorfomarnt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997799)

I agree.

Yet another Mac story ... who cares! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997525)

What is this, SlashMac? Personally, I'm tired of it, after all, who really cares about an insignifgant device from a from yet another corrupt corporation.

Please, just get past your Mac and buy an open device.

Re:Yet another Mac story ... who cares! (1)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997947)

Cool, a soon as there's an "open" device that supports all the features, I'm in.

Where did I put my DIY chip foundry.....

No problems here... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997551)

Mine works at two different locations that I set up.

Re:No problems here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997853)

mine works as well...

Re:No problems here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997929)

mine too

Re:No problems here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998371)

And mine...

Re:No problems here... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998387)

let me check...yep...mine too

Re:No problems here... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998365)

And mine doesn't. Which is fun, because after it fails, you get to re-enter the entire 64 digit WPA key on the little keyboard, which would be much less annoying if the fuckers at Apple didn't place the numbers and letters on different keypads that you have to toggle between.

When I tried using WEP, the damned thing didn't work with a standard password, so I got to enter that in hex too. (That did work.)

So you'd think someone, somewhere, would realize a little "hex" keyboard would be a godsend when entering wireless keys if they're not going to allow copy-and-paste.

Or they could be REALLY smart and allow you to set the key from iTunes.

But in any case, it in fact does not actually work. So now we have several anecdotes, and therefore data, right?

Re:No problems here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998439)

Mine works too... Linksys WRT150N router and WPA.

recipe for success? (-1, Offtopic)

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Problem seems to be with D-Link routers... (5, Insightful)

stickystyle (799509) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997597)

Actually reading the linked thread (I know, I know..) the problem seems more linked to D-Link routers + iPod Touch, not iPod Touch can't do WPA. "Apple has yet to respond"? I don't see that anyone on that thread filled a bug report, how the hell do you expect them to respond unless you tell them???

Why the hell did this get promoted to the front page?

Re:Problem seems to be with D-Link routers... (0, Offtopic)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997785)

Because this is Slashdot. If a story can be sensationalized it will, especially if it twisted to prove the following...

  • Microsoft software is extremely unstable, and the use of it is relegated by idiots.
  • A popular product used by non-geeks, are all faulty, and made by an evil company Apple, Google falls here too
  • A company who doesn't fully support the GPL, any actions they do are considered evil. reason for this apple hate
  • Any attempt to collect data from users even if the users use their own servers is a violation of privacy.
  • Any attempt to incorporate new technology, will lead to the death of human kind
  • The government is out to get you
  • Everything is black and white, there is no middle ground, or good intelligent reason for what you disagree with.
  • All Religious people are against science.
  • All the above is void if it makes Linux or the GPL look good.

The general attitude of Slashdot is a collection of millions of bitter/mean people, who is thinks complaining about everything, will eventually make them right if something goes wrong. I think this attitude comes from the end of WWII where after seeing the evils that the Nazis did, with all the Germans just kinda letting it happen. Caused a Over Hyper reaction where everything that anyone does is evil. Then if it does turn out to be evil you can go on record of being against it, a freedom fighter of sorts etc... While the truth you were just some bitter guy who hated everything.

Re:Problem seems to be with D-Link routers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998073)

does this constitute an occurrence of Godwin's law?

Re:Problem seems to be with D-Link routers... (1)

MobyTurbo (537363) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998217)

does this constitute an occurrence of Godwin's law?

If it does constitute Godwin's law, and I think it does, all discussions on this topic must stop... Though since this is slashdot, that is unlikely to happen. ;-)

Re:Problem seems to be with D-Link routers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998725)

If it does constitute Godwin's law, and I think it does, all discussions on this topic must stop... Though since this is slashdot, that is unlikely to happen. ;-)

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." -- Godwin

There's nothing about stopping or any need for slashbaiting.

Re:Problem seems to be with D-Link routers... (1)

MobyTurbo (537363) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998913)

If it does constitute Godwin's law, and I think it does, all discussions on this topic must stop... Though since this is slashdot, that is unlikely to happen. ;-)

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." -- Godwin There's nothing about stopping or any need for slashbaiting.

ISTR an extension of Godwin's law in "New Hacker's Dictionary" and the "Jargon File" that did say that:

Godwin's Law prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any _intentional_ triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

Though, as I pointed out, there is no such rule here.

Re:Problem seems to be with D-Link routers... (2, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998773)

The general attitude of Slashdot is a collection of millions of bitter/mean people, who is thinks complaining about everything, will eventually make them right if something goes wrong.

You do realize that if you replace "Slashdot" with pretty much any other group of humans this side of Cute Overload [cuteoverload.com] (who have their own problems), it would still work?

Re:Problem seems to be with D-Link routers... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997955)

I'm not suprised, since WPA doesn't work between certain Broadcom chipsets (HP, I'm looking at you losers) and D-Link routers.

Stop the presses! (4, Funny)

kiwioddBall (646813) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997633)

Someone released some software with a bug in it!!! Thats never happened before!!!

Re:Stop the presses! (2, Insightful)

Harold Halloway (1047486) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998479)

But this is from a closed-source company that had the arrogance to claim that its products 'just work'.

This is WPA, ffs. It's not rocket science to get this to work properly.

Apple has failed to test its product properly before releasing it. That is worthy of comment and condemnation.

Re:Stop the presses! (2, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998797)

Apple has failed to test its product properly before releasing it.

I'll bet you a month's subscription to Slashdot that it works on Airports ...

They probably tested it with all the Airport's they could find in the building. What's your problem?

Nokia first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997705)

Big deal, lots of Nokia's have EAP bugs meaning they can't connect to enterprise networks defying the whole damn point of buying them in some cases.

WPA on the iphone/ipod was a joke anyway. (5, Interesting)

Average (648) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997709)

A real geek has a long random key for WPA, and passes it around on a pen drive.

Except the time I brought a Touch home from work for a while.

Copy and paste? What do you mean, no copy and paste? One of the key "insanely great" f'ing innovations of the 1984 Macintosh, and it can't be done?

Shook my head at that one.

Re:WPA on the iphone/ipod was a joke anyway. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998105)

A real geek has a long random key for WPA, and passes it around on a pen drive.

Except the time I brought a Touch home from work for a while.

Copy and paste?

How would a thumb drive attach to a Touch? Or maybe I'm missing something...

Re:WPA on the iphone/ipod was a joke anyway. (1)

Average (648) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998287)

In the case of the touch, you'd mail it to yourself, save it as a Text note, view it from a temporary webpage, or something similar.

Re:WPA on the iphone/ipod was a joke anyway. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24999489)

While the absence of copy/paste is a valid complaint, you utterly fail your example by suggesting transmitting the key over the public internet in plaintext. By the time you're willing to do that, just use a friggin' passphrase--a properly-made one will be far more secure than anything passed via the channels you indicate.

Re:WPA on the iphone/ipod was a joke anyway. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998435)

A real geek uses eap-tls

Re:WPA on the iphone/ipod was a joke anyway. (3, Insightful)

miknix (1047580) | more than 5 years ago | (#24999723)

A real geek uses eap-tls

A real geek has a long random key for WPA, and passes it around on a pen drive.

A real hacker leaves the network open and uses openvpn to connect to his gateway.

kdawson FUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997761)

Can it be? An overrated, uninvestigated, purely speculated article?
Yes it is! One may be confused at first but one quick glance to the author shall reveal..
The Lord of FUD...
The Master of Hype...
The Weaver of Confusion!
The one and only...
kdawson!

Seriously, my cat has better insight and it only knows how to use a mouse

So... Don't buy one (2, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 5 years ago | (#24997769)

Problem solved.

 

Re:So... Don't buy one (1)

TuaAmin13 (1359435) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998207)

Agreed. Or, if you're dying to have one, wait till the inevitable bug fix (first making sure that that "fix" doesn't break anything else critical) and then buy one.

Be fair and balanced (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997817)

Spell Apple with the Euro symbol for the E.

Lots of devices cannot do WPA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24997911)

Problems with WPA implementations are rather disappointingly common. In some cases it is quite inexplicable. An Asus Eee PC with Xandros cannot connect to WPA, but the same Eee PC with Mandriva can.

new BRCM chip (2, Interesting)

hedley (8715) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998231)

That new iPod touch has a hw change on its Wifi. The disassembly showed it to be a BT+Wifi single chip design. Presumably its just a host driver/fw issue that will get resolved soon.

H.

An old problem, resurfaced (2, Interesting)

brundlefly (189430) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998233)

Actually, this problem has existed for over a year, albeit with other Apple products. Many MacBook Pros running Leopard cannot connect through D-Link routers using WPA.

I know: I have one of these machines. In my house we have two iPhones (1st gen) and one MacBook Pro (Tiger) which connect just fine through my D-Link. But the MacBook Pro running Leopard cannot. (It can, however, connect just fine to an Airport device using WPA.)

I don't think it's a D-Link bug. Or else why would everything else under the sun work just fine, including all the guest machines who come over and log in? And it's not a general wireless issue, because the buggy Leopard machine connects through lots of other wireless routers.

I googled this a while back and there are a few other folks who have experienced this. No relief via any Leopard updates, either.

Re:An old problem, resurfaced (2, Informative)

Super_Z (756391) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998805)

I have a D-Link DIR-655 set up with WPA. I'm typing this comment on a MacBook Pro running Leopard. Never had a problem with this combo. Neither has my wife with her MacBook/Leopard.

Are you using 802.11n? Compatibility issues are rife with this protocol :-/

I'm not suprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998503)

THe WPA2 authentication in my MacBook doesn't work very well either.

jesuscash writes ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#24998593)

Holy kikes Batman! You're right!

I hate entering the key/password. (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 5 years ago | (#24998855)

I was entering a key/password for a client's new iPod Touch (v1 firmware). I kept hitting the wrong buttons and keys (my fingers suck) and I don't know if I made typos (stupid asterisks). Horrible usability. I bet it was designed for open/unencrypted WAPs. It took me like five attempts and 15 minutes to get it to work!

Of course (0)

alisson (1040324) | more than 5 years ago | (#24999645)

Of course they haven't responded. They never do until they release the fix.

Patience! You can switch to WEp for a few days if you need to browse the internet on a tiny screen when your computer is right next to you THAT badly.

Zune - Engineers - Apple Software is bad... (2, Funny)

TheNetAvenger (624455) | more than 5 years ago | (#24999683)

Zune - It takes Apple engineers to make it look good.

I know the WiFi is a latent 'me too' feature of the iPod, but holy crap Apple, between this and your handling of 3G you are starting to make your engineers look really stupid.

(PS This is news worthy, as I know a few people that have been waiting for this device and turning off WPA is probably not going to be an option for them at home, let alone at work where is mandatory.)

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