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XBMC 'Atlantis' Beta 1 Released, Now Cross-Platform

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the let-a-thousand-flowers-bloom dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with a welcome followup to last year's promise of XBMC being made available for Linux: "The first cross-platform Beta version[s] of XBMC Media Center for Linux, Mac OS X, Windows, and Xbox have now been released in preparation for an upcoming stable release, code named 'Atlantis.'" Now, though, there are binaries available for download through the XBMC Media Center site, though only for the non-Xbox versions.

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XBMC ? (1)

yukk (638002) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060095)

How can XBMC be available for everything except the XBOX ?

Re:XBMC ? (3, Informative)

PhiberOptix (182584) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060181)

the source code is available to all platforms, including xbox.
Just the binaries that are not available to xbox, because the MS xbox sdk does not allows them to redistribute binaries.

Re:XBMC ? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25060253)

To compile XBMC for the Xbox is illegal since it'll have to be compiled using the XDK (XBox Development Kit) which is not available to the average joe (as one may suspect).

That's the reason they don't distribute a compiled version. But if you google for XBMC and T3CH ... you might get something in return.

Oh... the wonders of googling...

Re:XBMC ? (1)

qoncept (599709) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060257)

The developers haven't legally licensed the Xbox XDK, and so they can't legally distribute binaries. So you'll have to find them somewhere illegitimate.

Re:XBMC ? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25060363)

Not Atlantis, but has all the T3ch builds for download: http://t3ch.yi.se/ [t3ch.yi.se]

Re:XBMC ? (3, Interesting)

Em Ellel (523581) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060527)

The developers haven't legally licensed the Xbox XDK, and so they can't legally distribute binaries. So you'll have to find them somewhere illegitimate.

Even if you own the SDK, which, I think, average joe CAN buy, distributing binaries is disallowed under SDK EULA without MS's blessing, which they will not give for XBMC. This is pretty much same problem as iPhone developers have, except unlike iPhone there are no alternative ways to compile code for XBOX - you HAVE to use the MS SDK and as such MS can sue for distribution of compiled binaries (which then have to be distributed along side of other illegal material like movies and music and thus looks just as illegal).

On the flip side, at least there is no Apple "Fight Club" rules for MS SDK - you ARE allowed to talk about it without getting sued.

-Em

Re:XBMC ? (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060921)

I'd assume it's a legal grey area - does anyone actually know whether the idea that the EULA of a compiler can limit the distribution of binaries that it outputs has ever been tested in court?

The fact that the XBMC team don't want to prod MS with a stick and blindly hope that they aren't bankrupted by defensive legal costs, of course, is entirely understandable, but I'd still think that they've got something of a case; it's not like the makers of any other tool get a say in how you use it or what you do with the product you produce with it.

Re:XBMC ? (1, Troll)

Chaos Incarnate (772793) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061385)

it's not like the makers of any other tool get a say in how you use it or what you do with the product you produce with it.

Tell that to anybody producing a GPL-licensed library.

Re:XBMC ? (1)

Em Ellel (523581) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061601)

Its a moot point to prod MS with a stick or not. Truth of the matter is that XBox (remember this is XBox, not Xbox 360) is a dead platform and has been dead for a while.

That is why I am so excited that they took XBMC and opened it up to larger platforms. The nice thing about the Xbox was that you get a mini-pc in a tight, cheap package, but the power of it's been lacking these days (sub-Ghz celeron with next to no memory only goes so far) so with new platform support maybe we'll finally get HD, DVR and other extra hardware-based capabilities.

-Em

I'd assume it's a legal grey area - does anyone actually know whether the idea that the EULA of a compiler can limit the distribution of binaries that it outputs has ever been tested in court?

The fact that the XBMC team don't want to prod MS with a stick and blindly hope that they aren't bankrupted by defensive legal costs, of course, is entirely understandable, but I'd still think that they've got something of a case; it's not like the makers of any other tool get a say in how you use it or what you do with the product you produce with it.

Re:XBMC ? (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 5 years ago | (#25062731)

Part of the problem is there's little or no motivation to release a free SDK (e.g. cleanroom reimplementation), because a modded Xbox is an "illegitimate" platform - you're already breaking some backwards law by modding it, you might as well break another backwards law by releasing unlicensed binaries.

I'm not fond of legally-encumbered distribution, because frankly it's none of Microsoft's business what Joe Random sticks on the internet. The SDK should be open in the first place. It's not like M$ is going to stick XBMC on a disc, draw up a pretty box and stock it at Best Buy...

Re:XBMC ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25060261)

How can XBMC be available for everything except the XBOX ?

it IS avalibile for the XBOX, its just that they (XBMC team) do not host the binaries. In order to be able to compile XBE's for the xbox you have to have the XBOX dev kit..... do you honestly think for one second that MS is going to license the XBMC team with their xbox dev kit?? Thats why you have to get XBMC via usenet or torrent.

Re:XBMC ? (1)

beanlover (710167) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060275)

They cannot distribute the binary version of XBMC for the XBOX because it requires the XDK (XBOX Development Kit) which was only distributed to certain folks by MS. By distributing a binary version built to run on an XBOX it would run afoul of MS license agreements, etc.

There are other avenues of acquring a prebuilt binary and/or XDK.

Having said that...I LOVE XBMC. It's why I have an XBOX to begin with. Running it on a PC (with your choice of host OS) would add the two missing features needed to make it complete: HD and DVR.

Re:XBMC ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25060283)

because XBMC is no longer an acronym for Xbox Media Center, but the name for the cross-platform app derived from it. They kept the XMBC branding for simplicity.

OSX Users (5, Informative)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060429)

OS X Users might want to check out: http://plexapp.com/ [plexapp.com]

This group forked from XBMC a while ago. It was originally called OSXBMC but to differentiate from the 'official' OSX XBMC release they renamed to Plex.

I've played around with it for a while and it is absolutely gorgeous. Each release gets it more and more integrated with OSX. Apple remote, mouse, local file system, etc.

They've also teamed up with CenterStage [centerstageproject.com] to work towards a more OSX like GUI.

Currently my XBOX, bought for $75 used, is going strong. Served via the XBMC protocol running on a debian server with 2 TB of data. pytvshows and rtorrent are nearly as good as a DVR (considering I work second shift) and ... There just aren't more words to describe how awesome the XBMC project is and how far it has come in the last 3 years I've used it.

I'll have to check out the other release tonight to see how it compares.

Re:OSX Users (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25060913)

How is Plex different other than a different logo?

I've played around with it for a while and it is absolutely gorgeous.

The gorgeousness is a skin, looks like MediaStream, which is also bundled with XBMC. Anyone can download it from http://teamrazorfish.co.uk./ [teamrazorfish.co.uk]

Each release gets it more and more integrated with OSX. Apple remote, mouse, local file system, etc.

Seems no different from the official Mac release, which seems to support everything you just mentioned, plus iTunes and iPhoto [xbmc.org] support.

I don't see any reason in supporting a fork, when the official team seems just as interested in porting it to OS X.

Re:OSX Users (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061261)

Again. I haven't had a chance to check out the 'official' release. But the difference was Plex has had a release now for 4-5 months. This means that I could have actually run it prior to now.

Plex also incorporates Sparkle, which is the autoupdater framework for OS X. (Which would be ideal for a set top box).

CenterStage is also something that is likely to only be in Plex and not OSXBMC.

I downloaded it on my work laptop (XP) and the thing I didn't like is that it
1) changed my resolution
2) started up full screen immediately.

Re:OSX Users (1)

billcopc (196330) | more than 5 years ago | (#25062787)

I downloaded it on my work laptop (XP) and the thing I didn't like is that it
1) changed my resolution
2) started up full screen immediately.

Well... it's a media center, not a media player. It's designed to be used as your shell, just as you would on the Xbox itself. Compare with MythTV and others like it.

Re:OSX Users (3, Informative)

Cyberace1 (677393) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061447)

Plex is only developed by one guy who left Team-XBMC and the XBMC project to start Plex, all other developers stayed with the original XBMC project. With the exception of the sparkle auto updater (which Plex implemented only last week) XBMC has all the features and functions of Plex, and all skins that work in Plex where all designed for XBMC (not Plex) and thus just as good if not better in XBMC, (Plex have not made any changes to the skinning engine, however Team-XBMC have updated the skinning engine in XBMC since Plex forked its code from XBMC). Plex is only a software fork of XBMC for Mac (look up Ãoesoftware forkà on wikipedia for its meaning), XBMC is the original, they are two separate project worked by two separate development teams, some code copying between the project does take place though,(Boxee is another fork of XBMC that is also available for the Mac). Short story is that Elan Fieldgold, who then as a member of Team-XBMC was the one who originally started porting XBMC to Mac OS X, he then decided to leave Team-XBMC (due to reasons I will not go into here) and go out on his own and start a his own new project based on XBMC for Mac. Plex was never formally named ÃoeOSXBMCÃ, it was only referred to as OSXBMC because Elan previously had a blog on osxbmc.com in which he posted news of the progress on the porting development. I say support the original XBMC.

Re:OSX Users - Boxee (1)

acariquara (753971) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061755)

I am in the Boxee alpha, and it's like XBMC meets web 2.0. It's invite only for now, but you can request an invite at twitter.com/boxee (OSX and Linux only, Windows version coming soon)

Re:XBMC ? (1)

Aphoxema (1088507) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060441)

How can Windows be available for anything but windows?

Just wait a minute! You'll get it! Or you'll be trying so hard to see what might be funny about it that I'll have time to make a clean getaway with your windows. You can keep the Windows, though.

Product name whack-a-mole (1, Troll)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060107)

Headline:

XBMC 'Atlantis' Beta 1 Released, Now Cross-Platform

First line:

last year's promise of XMBC

Then later:

XBMC Media Center

And finally:

through the XMBC Media Center site

I guess someone was so excited about the product that they couldn't take the time to ensure they spelled it consistently.

It's not that. (0, Offtopic)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060155)

They just wanted to see if you were paying attention.

Re:It's not that. (0, Offtopic)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060239)

They just wanted to see if you were paying attention.

I was paying attention only enough to try to figure out wtf the product was. But when the product name changes every other line, its hard to do that.

Re:Product name whack-a-mole (0, Offtopic)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060599)

I also like how it changes between XBMC (Xbox Media Center) and XBMC Media Center (Xbox Media Center Media Center).

Re:Product name whack-a-mole (1)

Curtman (556920) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060729)

It doesn't stand for Xbox Media Center anymore. It's just 4 meaningless letters now.

Deal with it.

Re:Product name whack-a-mole (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060875)

It's just 4 meaningless letters now.

Does that mean that we can rearrange them any way we like? XBMC == XMBC == XCBM == XCMB == MBCX == CXMB == CMXB == BMXC ad naseum?

Re:Product name whack-a-mole (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25061263)

If you like. But nobody will know what the fuck you are talking about.

Re:Product name whack-a-mole (3, Funny)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 5 years ago | (#25062331)

Does that mean that we can rearrange them any way we like? XBMC == XMBC == XCBM == XCMB == MBCX == CXMB == CMXB == BMXC ad naseum?

"Ad nauseum"? Remind me never to get on a Tilt-a-Whirl with you. There are only 24 permutations.

more colossally bad moderation (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061421)

How is a post that discusses the text of the article summary off-topic? Sounds like exactly the topic, really.

Looks like somebody has too many moderator points today.

Great! (1)

PhiberOptix (182584) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060127)

I love xbmc. Anyone knows of a nice (and cheap) pc that could serve as a media center with xbmc, a la asus eee box, but with the ability to run hdtv content?

Re:Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25060473)

right now, since no GPU video acceleration is used, you need a ~3GHz CPU and a decent video card w/OGL 2.0 support (for post-processing in the future) to get flawless 1080p decoding/playback under worst-case conditions.

Re:Great! (0)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060605)

the eee? Why would you want to play HD on a device that has less screen resolution than SD? just play regular SD on the eee and call it done.

Re:Great! (1)

MoonBuggy (611105) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060837)

Not the eee netbook, the eee box [wikipedia.org]. According to AnandTech [anandtech.com] it'll just about handle 720p video; they complain about the lack of HDMI, which is a problem if you either wanted digital audio or wanted to watch DRM restricted HD content.

Re:Great! (1)

DCstewieG (824956) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061457)

I don't know if it would count as cheap (check eBay), but the Mac Mini is great for this. I've been running Plex (see a few posts up) on mine for a while now and it's just beautiful. The Mini is small, quiet, and comes with a remote. Mine is a Core [1] Duo and acts as my dev server/torrent box/media center with no problems. Of course, if you want to record TV it might not work so well.

XBMCMC? (1, Informative)

Thelasko (1196535) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060137)

The first cross-platform Beta version[s] of XBMC Media Center for Linux, Mac OS X, Windows, and Xbox have now been released in preparation for an upcoming stable release, code named 'Atlantis

Xbox Media Center Media Center? I'm sorry, but when I see XMBC I think Xbox Media Center in my mind. Its use isn't ubiquitous enough that people have forgotten what it stands for.

xbmc rocks (4, Insightful)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060139)

XBMC is the only reason I own an XBox. It's simply an amazing piece of software. I definitely look forward to trying it out on my Linux box...What would be really amazing would be XBMC for the 360 so that we could get true HD support.

Re:xbmc rocks (1)

yukk (638002) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060193)

XBMC is absolutely one of my favourite uses of my XBOX. It was incredible back a year or so ago and it just keeps on getting better. It blows the socks of Windows Media Center Edition.

Re:xbmc rocks (1)

Curtman (556920) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060807)

LinuxMCE looks like [google.com] it blows the socks of both of these.

I haven't taken time to play with any of them yet. Anyone tried LinuxMCE?

Re:xbmc rocks (3, Informative)

neo8750 (566137) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060345)

If you run mythtv you can use XBMc to communcate with it to watch live channels and recorded shows. add the source myth://Comp-name/

I run this on my linux box that i use for my htpc. I like it because it can handle anything i throw at it even HD content (something the orginal xbox couldnt handle) Also i think it looks 1000000x beter then mythtv gui

Re:xbmc rocks (2, Informative)

Moryath (553296) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060493)

That's presuming you can get MythTV to work properly, a dicey proposition at best.

I've had FAR more luck getting XBMC to talk correctly to pre-recorded media (of almost any format) from my NAS and winboxen.

As for the GUI... I love the XBMC GUI. I love the fact that the Xboxes I purchased at a flea market for comparative pennies make lovely network video boxes for the spare rooms in my house to pull just about everything I've recorded from NAS.

I'm looking forward to the "new" Windows-based XBMC so my home theater PC can run it and do the HD content thing, but that's a minor concern - and only relevant once they get the surround 5.1 audio upsampling and ATi Remote Wonder support to work properly (neither of which, alas, is in this edition). Till then, I just let VLC play the HD content and run the rest off a standard XBMX-Xbox.

Re:xbmc rocks (2, Interesting)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060727)

I actually had that setup a few years ago. I had my server which ran mythtv-backend, then the XBox was the frontend via the XBMC MythTV plugin. It was simply amazing. Coupled with MythWeb, there's nothing like it. I would schedule my recordings from work via MythWeb and have a nice list of stuff to watch when I got home :).

Re:xbmc rocks (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060571)

Agreed, it's the center of my media center at home. I just wish the Xbox could handle 720p, but not a big deal for me right now.

The interface is top notch, my wife can navigate with ease, of course, we have a remote to interact with it.

Re:xbmc rocks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25062301)

Doesn't the XBOX already support 720p and 1080i? Maybe when you say "handle" you mean something different, but you can enable 720p and 1080i within the XBOX dashboard. After this is done XBMC runs in 1080i fine on my television. Of course you need the high definition AV pack, but those are like $25. As far as I know there is no HDMI support, but component looks great for me :)

Re:xbmc rocks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25062355)

XBMC for xbox can output 720p/1080i, but it lacks the power to decode HD content, and even has trouble with some 480p x.264 stuff

Re:xbmc rocks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25062559)

Cool I gotcha.. as long as it's able to display AVI files and play DVD's in widescreen and good quality (which it does) then I'm happy.

Re:xbmc rocks (1)

marcop (205587) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061179)

Bill Gates was shown a demo of XMBC and asked how Microsoft could engage the community. Why don't they come out and support it on the 360? I might consider buying one if it did.

Re:xbmc rocks (2, Insightful)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 5 years ago | (#25062031)

Microsoft doesn't care about engaging the community as long as they can imprison the community.

It's a shame too, because there are lots of ways that they could embrace "freedom" that would win them lots of favor with the very customers they've spent all these years alienating. They could do lots of things like this, but they'd rather try to succeed with a stick than a carrot.

Maybe after the guy with too many Y-chromosomes steps down Microsoft can go back to being part of the community rather than trying to hijack the community.

The Killer App (5, Insightful)

ahoehn (301327) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060187)

XBMC really was the killer app for a modded 1st gen XBOX. I dropped a 120GB hard drive in mine, had it auto-sync with my video torrent folder, and had a brilliant little movie/tv show playing setup going on. It makes an Xbox do what Microsoft should have done with its Media Center Extender initiative.

For something that was quasi-legal (if I remember you needed proprietary things from the Xbox developer's SDK to properly compile the source for the Xbox) it had a remarkably excellent UI. Things seemed to work quite well. It seems like a good thing to have some real competition in the media center market, particularly cross-platform open-source competition.

Re:The Killer App (1)

wireddd (1366817) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060449)

You are spot on. Running XBMC on a 1st gen XBOX required 'modding' it or using some kind of save game exploit. I really hope the interface works as well on a pc, because it had to be really lean with no bloat to speak of due to the limits of the xbox. I'll certainly be giving it a shot on my htpc.

Re:The Killer App (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060601)

Modding the Xbox wasn't the quasi-legal gray area, unless you consider modifying hardware you own illegal. It was that the compiled binaries for the Xbox had to be compiled from the developer SDK and that was only available to developers who were approved by Microsoft and paid for it.

Re:The Killer App (2, Insightful)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060483)

I still watch nearly all my TV on my xbox. TVRSS with rtorrent, samba, and XBMC has made broadcast TV obsolete.

Re:The Killer App (1)

LordSnooty (853791) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060753)

I still watch nearly all my TV on my xbox. TVRSS with rtorrent, samba, and XBMC has made broadcast TV obsolete.

A bit noisy, no? Or was the 1st gen Xbox quieter than today's? I achieve the same Az+RSS+Winshares+Samba coverage of old and new TV with a diskless NFS header running mythtv on a mini-ITX board. Didn't bother with broadcast TV but like you say, with BT coverage you don't miss out.

Re:The Killer App (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060945)

What do you use to get the feeds? I currently use pytvshows. It works great, but I wasn't sure if there were any others out there. (There is TVShows.app for OSX, but development has stalled).

Re:The Killer App (1)

Maestro485 (1166937) | more than 5 years ago | (#25062413)

Strange coincidence, I was just getting ready to reconfigure my xbox from xebian (which is dated, to say the least) to XBMC and this article pops up. I was hoping you could answer a question for me.

From what I gather from the XBMC website, the drive should be formatted with c:, e:, whatever, like "real" xbox drives. I recall a utility that would format new drives for use in an xbox but it's difficult to find. Also, I vaguely remember the evox or x2/x3 dashboards doing this, but I'm not sure.

How did you get your hard drive set up?

Thanks!

XBMC is spelled "XBMC", (not "XMBC") (3, Informative)

Cyberace1 (677393) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060355)

Someone got dyslexia ;P as it is "XBMC", not "XMBC". XBMC (formerly "XBox Media Center") is now a recursive acronym for "XBMC Media Center" more information on the official website http://xbmc.org/about/ [xbmc.org]

Plex (2, Informative)

AgentUSA (251620) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060379)

Mac users should also look at Plex [plexapp.com]. It's a very nice fork by the former XMBC for Mac/OSXBMC team.

Re:Plex (2, Informative)

Cyberace1 (677393) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060667)

Plex is not made by "the former XBMC for Mac team", only one guy from Team-XBMC left the XBMC project to start Plex, all other developers stayed with the original XBMC project. XBMC has all the features and functions of Plex and all skins that work in Plex where designed for XBMC and thus just as good if not better in XBMC, (Plex have not made any changes to the skinning engine, however Team-XBMC have updated the skinning engine in XBMC since Plex forked its code from XBMC). Plex is only a software fork of XBMC for Mac (look up âoesoftware forkâ on wikipedia for its meaning), XBMC is the original, they are two separate project worked by two separate development teams, some code copying between the project does take place though,(Boxee is another fork of XBMC that is also available for the Mac). Short story is that Elan Fieldgold, who then as a member of Team-XBMC was the one who originally started porting XBMC to Mac OS X, he then decided to leave Team-XBMC (due to reasons I will not go into here) and go out on his own and start a his own new project based on XBMC for Mac. Plex was never formally named âoeOSXBMCâ, it was only referred to as OSXBMC because Elan previously had a blog on osxbmc.com in which he posted news of the progress on the porting development. I say support the original XBMC.

Re:Plex (1)

AgentUSA (251620) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061183)

I was merely pointing out an alternative. Personally, I don't understand the animosity between the Plex and XBMC teams but I think users should support both projects. I use Plex myself and I'm very happy with it.

Not for Linux, just Ubuntu (1, Informative)

houghi (78078) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060653)

It is available for Ubuntu, not for Linux. There are other distributions out there.

Re:Not for Linux, just Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25060825)

People have compiled and run it on numerous linux distributions. Check the XBMC Forums.

Re:Not for Linux, just Ubuntu (1)

entrigant (233266) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060833)

yes.. because clearly in order to make something work for ubuntu you must break it on every single other distribution. Ubuntu and their whacky custom kernel, libraries, filesystem layout... oh wait..

Re:Not for Linux, just Ubuntu (1)

eric9 (1112229) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060885)

I have it working on Debian Unstable with no problems. Man up nancy-boy, and compile it yourself.

Re:Not for Linux, just Ubuntu (1)

Burz (138833) | more than 5 years ago | (#25062011)

He's waiting for you to give up your remotes and mouse first, Mr. Manly-man.

Re:Not for Linux, just Ubuntu (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25060917)

untrue, Linux source is available. Any proper /.'er should have no issues compiling themselves ;-) Binaries only for Ubuntu at the moment as that is the target/dev environment.

DVR? (2, Interesting)

edmicman (830206) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060673)

How can I, or what are my options for, integrating XBMC into a DVR setup?

I used to use MythTV but hated the interface; that combined with the free TV guides going away made me try out MCE 2005, which I currently run.

MCE2005 works, the interface is great (for PVR stuff at least...I don't really like the music manager, though), but the management is crap compared to MythTV. I can't remote onto it easily because it's XP-based, and the web management is garbage, too. I've been thinking of trying out something else, or seeing how MythTV is now.

Basically my setup is this: I have a FreeNAS that I use for file sharing that I have my music and downloaded videos on. I have the MCE box in the living room doing DVR stuff, with connections to the file shares for music and the rest of the videos. And I an original Xbox sitting around doing nothing.

I'd love to be able to put the DVR somewhere out of the way, have it do it's thing, and pump everything to XBMC somewhere. But can you do the live-tv thing with XBMC? Maybe I'm missing some other package out there completely?

Re:DVR? (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060799)

I used to use MythTV but hated the interface;

Can't blame you there, it is... rough. But it is immensely capable, so I've learned to live with it's rough edges in exchange for the incredible power it provides (and being a programmer, I can't help but love being able to write custom SQL recording rules :).

that combined with the free TV guides going away

You chose a closed solution with little flexibility over paying $20 *per year* for guide data [schedulesdirect.org]? Really? Meh, to each his/her own, I guess.

Fortunately, you can hook XBMC into MythTV. Wouldn't that be a solution for you?

Re:DVR? (1)

edmicman (830206) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061209)

You chose a closed solution with little flexibility over paying $20 *per year* for guide data [schedulesdirect.org]? Really? Meh, to each his/her own, I guess.

Mostly it was I got it for free from work, and had grown frustrated with MythTV. I'm thinking of looking back into it, and granted the schedule thing isn't that big of a deal :-)

Fortunately, you can hook XBMC into MythTV. Wouldn't that be a solution for you?

I guess that's what I wasn't sure of. So XBMC can run on an xbox and hook into MythTV? Or does XBMC need to be running on an actual computer (possibly even the same MythTV box?) to actually be able to use the DVR things that MythTV does? Hmmmm...I'll have to look into this - thanks!

Re:DVR? (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061345)

The model would be that XBMC would run on an Xbox, and it would connect to Myth over the network just like another frontend.

Incidentally, from what I can tell, XBMC now has a basic, native MythTV client built in. It can be used to watch and delete recordings, and watch and record live TV. However, it has no EPG support, no commercials skip, etc. See here:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/326091 [gossamer-threads.com]

Looks like an interesting option.

Re:DVR? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25061309)

XBMC can act as a MythTV frontend. You used to need a python script to do this, but now support is natively included.

Simply set up your MythTV box to allow connections to the MythTV backend over your network.

Then follow this guide to add your MythTV box as a video source in XBMC.

Anything similar for Wii? (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060779)

I want to stream music and video (but I'd settle for just music) to my Wii. I don't want to hack it, so my best bet is probably coming up with a web application to view with Opera on the Wii. I played with Jinzora for a while but never could the Wii part of it to work; I never could figure out how to start the Flash player that was supposed to handle everything.

So, dear Slashdotters, have any of you managed to play music or other media on a Wii from a Unix sever?

Re:Anything similar for Wii? (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061011)

Someone has ported XBMC partially to the Wii. Problem is he won't release his code or his binaries. A very few people have them and say it works great (for alpha).

If you can code donate some time to the XBMC group and get it working.

Re:Anything similar for Wii? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25061695)

This app sounds like what you need

http://en.jinzora.com/features

It is written in PHP and allows you to browse the media on your computer from a remote location using a web interface. It runs on both Windows and Linux. It has a specific page theme for Wii. No, I have no involvement with them. Just found the app ten minutes ago with a Google search.

Re:Anything similar for Wii? (1)

Helmholtz Coil (581131) | more than 5 years ago | (#25062821)

I haven't tried it recently but Sockso [pu-gh.com] seemed to work fairly well as I recall. Music only and only MP3s at that but apparently the latest version(s) offer on-the-fly MP3 conversion.

On the PS3 (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060861)

I've been really wanting to get XBMC on my PS3. I have it on my original XBox, but is struggled with HD at times depending on the codec because it lacked memory. The XBox also can't put out 1080p.

I'm wondering if I should attempt to install Linux on my PS3, and then compile XBMC on it. Will I have issues because of the non-x86 architecture?

If I have Linux on my PS3, will it still play PS3 games? I think I need to hit up Wikipedia and start reading.

Re:On the PS3 (2, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060981)

Yes, you can do multiple partitions and keep the PS3 OS (and thusly play PS3 games) as well as a separate Linux partition.

Now I just need to know if I can compile XBMC on the Cell/PPC architecture.

Re:On the PS3 (1)

srecd (159688) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061509)

It would probably compile, but Linux on the PS3 runs under a hypervisor that blocks access to the GPU, so it's pretty much useless for everything except audio.

Not that there haven't been attempts [ps2dev.org] or anything. But we all know how quick Sony is to put out firmware updates to prevent things that might actually allow people to use the hardware they paid for.

Re:On the PS3 (2, Informative)

fishfinger (685260) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061297)

Unfortunately, the hypervisor that linux is installed on top of, does not expose the accelerated parts of the PS3 to linux. Therefore XBMC cannot take advantage of them either.

XBMC vs AppleTV? (1)

l0ungeb0y (442022) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060895)

Anyone have any hands on experience with both or have a link to any information discussing the pros/cons of these two media centers?

I am about to invest a couple thousand into 3 MacMinis and 2 AppleTV units, which hooked up to a 3TB NAS device (drobo) can all share via Airport Extreme from my shared iTunes folder (which is already set up as a media share on the drobo). By attaching a secondary Airport Extreme in b/g compat mode, I hope to use my iPhone as a remote control -- mainly for the NiceCast iTunes radio Station that will be on MacMini Unit1. MacMini Units 2 and 3 will be attached to the AppleTVs and plasma displays for single room entertainment. The home networked radio station is so all rooms can play the same media at once.

Kind of a lengthy post, but I've put some thought into it, and am ready to move on it now. However, I am sensitive to the fact that it will cost me over $2,000 for the Apple hardware and I might be able to achieve the same results for less cost.

So can this media center do all this:
- Allow multiple units to access one iTunes and iPhoto NAS share
- Stream media (mp3s ... or even better mp4/h.264 Video)
- Receive streaming media broadcasts
- Allow 100% control by a remote (no keyboard/mouse req'd)
- Natively support either a network remote or IR remote hardware

And if not XBMC, do you know of another alternative that can do all that? However, I am a busy person and don't have weeks for setup and hair tearing on drivers and other BS. So a solution that could be put into place over a weekend would be ideal. So far the Apple solution is the only one I've seen that fits the bill.

Re:XBMC vs AppleTV? (1)

WarwickRyan (780794) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061655)

On XP at least, support of remote controls is poor. I guess Microsoft want to sell you to a copy of Media Center Edition or the equivelent Vista version, so they withhold the drivers.

I assume it's better on Linux.

Re:XBMC vs AppleTV? (1)

bigbigbison (104532) | more than 5 years ago | (#25062309)

It can stream just about any type of media you can think of. It can't, however, deal with drm. So if you've bought anything from the iTUnes store you best stick with the Apple stuff. It can use the xbox remote but honestly I found using the controller to be easier to use with XBMC. There are scripts which allow it to use youtube and such but there's no web browser so you can't go to hulu.com with it as far as I know.

Re:XBMC vs AppleTV? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25062819)

Answers for XBMC

So can this media center do all this:
- Allow multiple units to access one iTunes and iPhoto NAS share
I have no idea about this one, sorry.
- Stream media (mp3s ... or even better mp4/h.264 Video)
Yes, I have never had any content on the same computer/xbox that was actually running xbmc. All content streams fine from smb network shares for me.
- Receive streaming media broadcasts
Yes, of almost all types, although only a few flash based streams are supported. Asx/m3u/shoutcast/etc is all supported.
- Allow 100% control by a remote (no keyboard/mouse req'd)
Yes, it was developed on the xbox and relies only on control by the simple original xbox remote.
- Natively support either a network remote or IR remote hardware
This can be a little more tricky, for IR remotes, it depends on the operating system and which remote you are trying to use. There is a $5 application (from a completely separate developer, just uses the web based api built into XBMC) for the iPhone/iPod Touch you can use to control all aspects of XBMC, you can even browse your media with thumbnail support on your iPhone, or just use it a simple remote with directional/enter/play/pause/etc.

Wii version? PLEASE? (1)

PseudoSchizo (847596) | more than 5 years ago | (#25060939)

I've been hoping and praying XBMC will make it to the wii.

GeeXboX is alright, but with one person working on it, updates are.. few and far between to say the least.

Re:Wii version? PLEASE? (1)

Cyberace1 (677393) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061043)

XBMC would have do be ported to PPC (PowerPC) first, ...and XBMC for Mac will probably be ported to PPC sooner rather than later, then that need to be applied to XBMC for Linux as well before it will be able to run on Nintendo Wii, just like GeeXboX. I guestimate, XBMC for Mac on PPC Mac's within 6-months, XBMC for Linux on PPC within another 6-months from then, ...then it will be up to the Nintendo Wii developers, if they would not like to step in now already

Cool (1)

WolverineOfLove (1305907) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061025)

I hope this serves people well. If my hardware setup were different, I'd be installing this tonight!
I'm still waiting for a UPnP media server that runs on my Ubuntu box so I may watch my video library on my Xbox 360 with real-time transcoding. TVersity works on my Windows XP box, but that's big and noisy.

uShare doesn't do real-time transcoding,
Fuppes seems to be impossible to configure correctly,
MediaTomb doesn't support the 360,

I'm waiting on a fork of Fuppes called Fuppex to announce a working revision. If anyone knows of other options, please let me know.

hmm might have to give it a go (0)

discogravy (455376) | more than 5 years ago | (#25061073)

i had an old xbox set up with xbmc but hosed the install (keeps trying Live on boot but chokes) might have to see how to re-image the damn thing

xbmc is damn fine software (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 5 years ago | (#25062773)

I have an xbox and use xbmc on it. it's quite good. this software is just something we all have wanted for so long. It plays anything in any format. It streams music and movies and rss feeds.

it's all function and feature sans vapor.

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