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Indian Moon Mission To Launch Next Month

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the goa-head-with-launch dept.

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Anil Kandangath writes with word that the Indian moon mission plans (mentioned earlier on Slashdot) are about to be put to the test. "While the spacecraft itself will not land on the Moon, it will act as an orbiter and land a rover on the surface. The spacecraft is being launched next month sometime between October 22 and October 26. The spacecraft payload includes 11 payloads (including one from NASA) and will perform remote sensing and studies of the lunar surface. The mission is estimated to cost Rs 386 crore (~ 84.3 million USD)." Update: 09/21 18:29 GMT by T : Thanks to reader Anil Gaddam for pointing out that this figure had been originally misstated as 7.7 million USD.

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What! Even NASA is outsourcing to India? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069057)

God help the US of A!

Re:What! Even NASA is outsourcing to India? (5, Funny)

rhyder128k (1051042) | more than 5 years ago | (#25070261)

"Delhi, we are having a problem!"

"Space module 1, are you sure your computer is plugged in?"

"Yes, we have already checked that."

"You are sure?"

"Yes, we are very sure."

"What is the model of your router?"

"What?!!"

Re:What! Even NASA is outsourcing to India? (1)

networkconsultant (1224452) | more than 5 years ago | (#25070943)

Well they found that the liliputions there were cheper, and 7.7 Million is a pittance compared to the standard let's make a new radio antenna budget.

88 million USD (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069063)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=386+crore+inr+in+usd&btnG=Search

Re:88 million USD (-1, Flamebait)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069659)

And why exactly writing "396 crore" is better than writing "3,960 million"?

Re:88 million USD (5, Informative)

cyanid3 (998026) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069941)

Majority of Indians prefer to use lakhs/lacs instead of hundred thousand and one crore instead of ten million. Summary is written by an Indian.

Re:88 million USD (-1, Flamebait)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 5 years ago | (#25070917)

That is not the answer to the question I was asking.

Don't ask stupid questions (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25071281)

if you don't like the replies, okay?

Re:88 million USD (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25071395)

Why do Americans still use Imperial measures when Metric is the international standard?

Disclaimer: I am American and I frankly don't understand it.

Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069083)

Not quite so good but still cheap.

Perhaps we should outsource NASA?

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (2, Informative)

shank001 (1352821) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069165)

The mission is estimated to cost Rs 386 crore (~ 84 million USD)."

Fixed.

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (-1, Flamebait)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069201)

Yeah, outsourcing is the best if you can understand broken english.

A problem have we, Houston.

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (5, Funny)

RaceProUK (1137575) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069275)

Yoda is Indian?

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (1)

kj_kabaje (1241696) | more than 5 years ago | (#25070373)

No, Yoda is from the Hebrew "Joda" (J, as we all learned in Indiana Jones ALMOST Last Crusade doesn't exist, so it's really I, which sounds like Y if you say it fast in front of an O... but anyway...). So, Joda is apparently in the lineage of Jesus (yes, I've been bored at church, too). So I guess Lucas wanted Yoda to be the great-grandaddy of Jesus symbolically? Or he saw those huge lists of uncommonly used names, and when short on creativeness... So no,... Yoda isn't Indian, he's Jewish. Or I could just be making crap up.

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069305)

Damn, didn't know Indians were Jedis! I should travel to India more often... Bump master Yoda somewhere in Delhi, you know?

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069421)

Mmmm. Mood dust flavored vindaloo!

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (0, Offtopic)

Clueless Nick (883532) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069619)

It would be "houston, we problem have", to fix the original quote and flawed translation, ijit.

From my travels, I have learnt that most non-native English speakers use broken English, whether they be in India, the US, UK, Far East, or Middle East. The way you treat your own language shows what respect you have for its proper form.

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (1)

pisto_grih (1165105) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069813)

It would be "houston, problem we have", to fix the original quote

There, for you I've fixed.

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25070641)

It would be "Houston, *a* problem we have", to fix the original quote

There, for you, *a* problem I've fixed.

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (1)

kipman725 (1248126) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069225)

that seems unreasonably cheap considering it costs more than that just to get to orbit in a Soyuz capsule. 700 million seems more probable.

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (2, Insightful)

delt0r (999393) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069317)

Thats the price difference of insisting on *maned* spacecraft vers unmanned.

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (3, Funny)

srussia (884021) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069809)

Thats the price difference of insisting on *maned* spacecraft vers unmanned.

Names being considered for the craft are: "Horse", "Unicorn", "Lion" (Singh)...

Re:Hmm. Maybe thats closer to 84 million USD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25070683)

Why? To do something that we already did in the 60s (orbiters and rovers)?

turd post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069093)

I just took a massive shit. Damn, that feels good.

Not that cheap (3, Interesting)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069107)

The cost will not come within an asses' roar of 7.7 million USD. India is cheap, but not THAT cheap. 77 million USD, maybe. Perhaps if you factor out the cost of scientists and administrative staff already employed by the ISRO, and maintenance costs of existing facilities, and basically count only the cost of the rocket and parts, then maybe you'll come up with a 7.7 million USD bill. Otherwise I think someone forgot a decimal point somewhere.

Re:Not that cheap (1)

HungryHobo (1314109) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069365)

Stan: This rocket will fly to the moon?
MASA: Sí, fly.
Stan: To the moon?
MASA: Sí.
Stan: We want to take something to the moon. How much would that cost?
MASA: O-ah... Two hundred.
Stan: Two hundred? Million?
MASA: Two hundred... dollars.

Re:Not that cheap (1)

manoelhc (1172781) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069755)

Well, this dialog in Brazil:

Stan: This rocket will fly to the moon?
Silva: Yes, fly.
Stan: To the moon?
Silva: Yep.
Stan: We want to take something to the moon. How much would that cost?
Silva: 50.
Stan: 50 Million?
Silva: 50 Billions... dollars... only for full.

Re:Not that cheap (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 5 years ago | (#25070059)

I can't find the 386 crore figure anyway in TFA, but yes, 7.7 million USD is damn cheap. Even if it were 77 millon NASA should really start considering outsourcing their launches.

Re:Not that cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25070515)

Perhaps if you factor out the cost of scientists and administrative staff already employed by the ISRO

They would've paid their scientists anyway even if they didn't build this particular spacecraft. :)

Misconversion? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069121)

Hmm. Summary says 386 crore, but the conversion is only for 36 crore?

386 crore Indian rupees = 84.00518 million U.S. dollars

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=386+crore+inr+in+usd&btnG=Search

Re:Misconversion? (5, Funny)

NoisySplatter (847631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069177)

It's a space program, it's supposed to be missing decimals or digits.

Get your math correct (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069161)

1 US Dollar = 47 Indian Rupees

1 crore = 10 million

386 crore rupees ~ 82 million USD

Cheap, I know. But you are an order of magnitude off.

Thank you, come again. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069193)

At this rate, when the first space tourists reach the moon, there'll be a Kwiki-Mart there waiting for them.

Re:Thank you, come again. (2, Funny)

NoisySplatter (847631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069227)

My sources, netcraft mostly, have confirmed that one of the experiment modules is a Squishee machine.

Re:Thank you, come again. (2, Funny)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069273)

I work at a Kwiki-Mart you insensitive clod!

Re:Thank you, come again. (1, Troll)

ArcherB (796902) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069425)

I work at a Kwiki-Mart you insensitive clod!

Have you considered applying to be an Indian Astronaut? I'm sure they are looking for "managers" to man their moon-base.

Re:Thank you, come again. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069641)

First they laugh at you ... then they ignore you ... then they fight you ... then you win ...

Re:Thank you, come again. (1)

s6135 (1367437) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069945)

First they laugh at you ... then they ignore you ... then they fight you ... then you win ...

I agree. We can laugh and ridicule all we want but I can see a different kind of response very soon even on Slashdot.

Tin Foil Hat comment (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069215)

They are launching just prior to the new moon http://www.astrologyoz.com/moon/2008moonphase.htm [astrologyoz.com] so on arrival, we won't be able to see it particularly well or at all. Wonder what the reason for that is? I think they are in collusion with the Illuminati and have Halloween evil planned for all of Earth. They didn't name their lander Kali by chance did they?

Re:Tin Foil Hat comment (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069605)

> They didn't name their lander Kali by chance did they?

Chandrayaan-I is the name of the program and the spacecraft. http://www.isro.org/chandrayaan/htmls/home.htm

Chandrayaan is Sanskrit for "Moon Craft" http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Chandrayaan

Thus if the "Moon Impact Probe" has a name at all, it's probably Sanskrit for moon impact probe. ;-)

Chandrayaan-II has the lander/rover. The manned mission is planned for 2020. http://chandrayaan.wordpress.com/2007/04/29/manned-moon-mission-by-2020/

It's said that India's goal is to find He-3 on the moon for fusion research. Maybe they should rename the program Shiva? (And yes, I do know that Shiva is the _destroyer of evil_ and not just a destroyer of things in general.)

Re:Tin Foil Hat comment (2, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069635)

I think they are in collusion with the Illuminati and have Halloween evil planned for all of Earth.

I just checked, Nope. it seems that us in the illuminati dont have anything planned. In fact I believe this month is my chapter's turn at having the holy grail. I'll need to look at the great temple calender to make sure though... It might just be the boring alien communication thing again. God I hate those, the jerks from Omicron Percei 8 wont shut up.

Re:Tin Foil Hat comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25070005)

I be after giving you an internets fer yer winnings!

Arrr!

namaste (5, Insightful)

Monkey-some (1178115) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069217)

This is nice to see a nation like India, who got quite a few brilliant people, enters into the space race "as a major player".

Re:namaste (2, Insightful)

Diamo (1364811) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069879)

Agreed, lets get everyone in space and start sharing knowledge. Cooperation off the planet might lead to more on it.

Re:namaste (2, Informative)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 5 years ago | (#25070119)

Screw that. India is a parliamentary democracy and a long term rival of China. This ain't Star Trek. Let's talk to the Aussies and get them to ship that uranium. Maybe we can negotiate a military alliance.

Oops, I mean namaste. Congratulations on your mostly peaceful use of rockets and nuclear technology

Re:namaste (1)

mapkinase (958129) | more than 5 years ago | (#25070949)

This is nice to see people falling in love, making happy families, birds chirping, nice mountains, fresh air and world piece.

Payloads... (1, Funny)

McWilde (643703) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069243)

The spacecraft payload includes 11 payloads

And each of those includes another 11 payloads?

Very clever, young man. But it's payloads all the way down.

Re:Payloads... (1)

thermian (1267986) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069469)

The spacecraft payload includes 11 payloads

And each of those includes another 11 payloads?

Very clever, young man. But it's payloads all the way down.

been reading Dawking have we?

Re:Payloads... (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069501)

The spacecraft payload includes 11 payloads

And each of those includes another 11 payloads?

No, that's the spaceprobe that's being launched by the St. Ives Space Agency next month.

Re:Payloads... (1)

Migraineman (632203) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069865)

"All the way down" to where? I don't think I've ever gotten a satisfactory answer. On a related note, perhaps we should consider using turtle-shell filaments as the composite material for a space-elevator tether. Remarkably strong stuff.

Predict a Fiery Impact (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069315)

Given the quality of what else I've seen come from the Asian sub continent, I would not at all be surprised to see this thing crash and burn and leave a nice divot on the surface of the moon. So, why is this significant anyway? Americans did something 100x more impressive--40 years ago. This metoo event is a non-event.

Secret mission details. (5, Funny)

old dr omr (1289450) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069371)

Secret mission details: Apparently invloves 240,000 Miles of rope and a very loud flute.

Re:Secret mission details. (1)

Spice Consumer (1367497) | more than 5 years ago | (#25071175)

Secret mission details: Apparently invloves 240,000 Miles of rope and a very loud flute.

Wouldn't work. In space, no one can hear you play.

Finally! (0, Offtopic)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069413)

The more countries (and private groups) we have performing these types of missions, the better.

We can't expect the U.S. to do it alone, given all the poor and homeless people in the U.S., the recent financial system meltdown, and the large number of people in the penal system in the U.S.

The U.S. has other worries. Let Europe, India and China inherit the moon.

Re:Finally! (4, Insightful)

thermian (1267986) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069535)

We can't expect the U.S. to do it alone, given all the poor and homeless people in the U.S.

Actually its more like we can't expect the US to do it because they have a nasty habit of only allowing major space missions to go ahead when it is politically expedient, and cutting their budgets when it isn't. That's no way to run a space exploration effort.

Whats needed is a driving force other than political one upmanship (ooh look, China's going to the Moon, so we better say we're off to Mars.) How long have we had the technology to go to Mars? Several decades, but it takes China moving into space to kick off the US effort again.

I feel sorry for the people at NASA and JPL, I really do. It would be nice if they could just be given the funding to do it and left alone to get the job done.

Market forces would also be a much better driving force. As it is the way things are going the race to Mars will result not in exploration bases, but military ones, official 'stake claimers' with a mandate to keep it for whichever country gets there first with a large enough force..

Re:Finally! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069819)

> I feel sorry for the people at NASA and JPL,...

Ahem, JPL is NASA.

JPL (Pasadena, CA) does NASA's unmanned exploration.

JSC (Houston) is Mission Control for NASA manned flights.

KSC (Cape Canaveral) is NASA's launch facility.

etc. http://www.nasa.gov/about/sites/index.html

Re:Finally! (1)

Diamo (1364811) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069977)

The tech to get to Mars does and does not exist. There are still major problems to get around such as shielding the occupants from radiation. We know how to do it but it is prohibitively expensive. The best shield we have is water but that is just too costly to ship up to space in the quantities required. There are experiments on-going into new materials but we don't *really* have the tech yet.

http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q4856.html [hps.org]

Re:Finally! (1)

Diamo (1364811) | more than 5 years ago | (#25070093)

Market forces would also be a much better driving force. As it is the way things are going the race to Mars will result not in exploration bases, but military ones, official 'stake claimers' with a mandate to keep it for whichever country gets there first with a large enough force..

Also I think you'll find that you are wrong concerning military bases on the moon. If you read the basic outline of the Outer Space Treaty and have a look at the huge numbers of countries that have ratified it you'll see that any attempt at a military operation would be met with global outrage.

Of course that might not stop some coutries trying but unlikely really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Space_Treaty [wikipedia.org]

We dont have tech for a manned mars mission yet (1)

GuruBob (81090) | more than 5 years ago | (#25070225)

the national Academies Press released a report: "Managing Space Radiation Risk in the New Era of Space Exploration" (2008)

  my brief reading if this was that they are actually closing down research facilities needed to do the reserach which is still largely undone that would reduce the mission risk as far as radiation is concerned to make a mission feasible.
The technolo9gy required for economically feasible craft design incorporating an acceptable level of radiation protection to the two prevalent radiation risks.

Don't take my word for it read it yourself at:
  http://books.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12045 [nap.edu]

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25070859)

Whats needed is a driving force other than political one upmanship

It worked for the Apollo program.

Anonymous Coward. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25069449)

from the ISRO site,go look it up yourselves

The budgetary estimate for realising the proposed Indian lunar mission Chandrayaan-1 stands at Rs. 386.00 crores (about $76 million). This includes Rs. 53.00 crores (about $11 million) for Payload development, Rs. 83.00 crores (about $17 million) for Spacecraft Bus, Rs. 100.00 crores ($20 million) towards establishment of Deep Space Network, Rs. 100.00 crores ($20 million) for PSLV launch vehicle and Rs. 50.00 crores ($10 million) for scientific data centre, external network support and programme management expenses.

Cute (-1, Flamebait)

Amiralul (1164423) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069463)

Aww, but look in TFA at that tin foil that covers the probe, I bet the Indian engineers saw that in NASA's documentaries and thought that it would look realy nice on their little cheap lunar probe too. The Indian probe is sooo cute!

Crore, lakh etc (5, Informative)

shas3n (1121469) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069599)

Indians use a different system of counting. After the thousand, they have a name for every second power of ten (unlike the western system of naming every third power). The system goes like this: 1000: 1e3: Thousand 100 thousands: 1e5 : Lakh 100 lakhs : 1e7 : Crore So 386 crores at about 46 INR a dollar is about 86 million USD.

Re:Crore, lakh etc (1)

prateek_t2 (902232) | more than 5 years ago | (#25070349)

1000: 1e3: Thousand 100 thousands: 1e5 : Lakh 100 lakhs : 1e7 : Crore

correct!

So 386 crores at about 46 INR a dollar is about 86 million USD.

Wrong!! 1 crore is 1,00,00,000: 1e7 386 crores is 386,00,00,000. So 1 dollor = 46 Rs approx. Then 386 crore Rs is $ 83913043.47. So approx. 84 million USD.

Re:Crore, lakh etc (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25070469)

Holy parsing error, batman! Can you please use something between those colons and spaces to show how each "analogy" is divdided? It just looks like one big mess to me and I don't know if "Thousand 100 thousands" is a phrase that means "Lakh 100 lakhs" or what. What?

Vindaloo Propulsion Engine (1, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069679)

It has been reported that Vindaloo sauce is being used as a cheap replacement for rocket fuel- careful! that is very very HOT!

Am I losing my grasp of English? (0, Offtopic)

tsalmark (1265778) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069839)

"While the spacecraft itself will not land on the Moon, it will act as an orbiter and land a rover on the surface." So it's going to act as a land rover on the moon, but not land on the moon???? good luck with that.

Please, it's "Native American" (1, Funny)

objekt (232270) | more than 5 years ago | (#25069905)

Sorry to be the PC police here, but "Indian" is a derogatory term for Native Americans.

Re:Please, it's "Native American" (4, Funny)

Notquitecajun (1073646) | more than 5 years ago | (#25070023)

We're talking about dots, not feathers.

/Dives for cover...

Re:Please, it's "Native American" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25070285)

</rotsky>

Cheap-o mission nonetheless. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25070305)

It's still pretty cheap compared to normal "NASA" missions... It'll either blow up on launch or be a huge ground-breaking success. And knowing the Indians, they'll kick US butt just to show them that there's more they can do cheaply than take their jobs away.

I know I can't be the only one... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25070379)

...who thought of "That's one small step for man" in Apu's accent.

Chandrayaan I is carrying 2 NASA payloads (2, Informative)

Quetzo (753720) | more than 5 years ago | (#25071271)

There are 2 NASA payloads selected for the Chandrayaan I, not one.

  1. The MiniSAR [chandrayaan-i.com] : To detect water ice in permanently shadowed regions on the lunar poles.
  2. The M3 [chandrayaan-i.com] : A mineral mapper.
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