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Google Unveils First Android Phone

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the can-you-hear-me-now dept.

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danieltdp writes "Google finally officially launched the first Android-enabled mobile device to hit the market. As expected, the first Android phone will be the HTC Dream (also known as the T-Mobile G1), a device with a large touchscreen and a slide-out physical keypad that will run Google's new mobile platform." You might also not be at all surprised to know that Google is working on an Android competitor to the Apple App store.

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Bend Over Apple! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125219)

What am I saying? You know what to do!

Apple fanbois (0, Redundant)

Finallyjoined!!! (1158431) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125221)

Will really come out of the woodwork on this one :-)

Re:Apple fanbois (5, Insightful)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125387)

Actually, we fanbois hope that this announcement will jar Apple out of its iPhone SDK NDA foolishness, since Apple will now have to compete with a platform that actually allows people to write programming books on it and lets its programmers to ask each other for help without fear of impending lawsuit.

Re:Apple fanbois (-1, Troll)

[000000] (130723) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125745)

I think that the 'closed' framework is so that Apple can test the applications integrity. No checks can mean Virsus's can be systematicly applied with no one except the virus writer held to account. In that respect I can see why Apple are very carefull.

Re:Apple fanbois (4, Insightful)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125393)

It bugs me that it even seeped into the summary.
 
"Google is working on an Android competitor to the Apple App store."
Haven't pretty much ALL phone companies had a store to download shit from for a looooooooong time before iphone or even ipod? Seriously you might as well say they are taking a page from microsofts book because they have a download store too. Come on now don't fall into this trap of thinking Apple did everything first (re. level sensing laptops).

Re:Apple fanbois (3, Insightful)

Bandman (86149) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125755)

s/apple/xerox/g

Re:Apple fanbois (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125403)

But this phone is so much cheaper than the iPhone! $179 in the US, but they're literally giving them away in the UK! According to this [bbc.co.uk] , they're FREE (as long as you pay £40+/month "T-mobile tariffs"). Sure, $74/month may seem a little steep, but isn't it worth it to get a FREE phone?

(No idea what the voice plan will cost in US - TFA just gives rates for the data plans on top of the 2-year contracted voice plan.)

Re:Apple fanbois (5, Insightful)

pla (258480) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125539)

Sure, $74/month may seem a little steep, but isn't it worth it to get a FREE phone?

Though sarcastic, you might not realize how accurately you've hit the nail...

In the US, we pretty much don't buy phones by themselves. The vast majority of people get them for "free" (or a penny, or $19.99-after-rebate, or some apparent pittance like that) bundled with a 2-year contract for service.

So, while Apple prohibited AT&T from giving the iPhone away with service, Google allowing T-Mobile and the like to bundle them means regular everyday people, rather than just Apple fans, may actually get one of these.

Re:Apple fanbois (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125475)

And reading the comment thread, it appears they have mod points!

My prediction... (-1, Flamebait)

davidangel (1337281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125229)

Android will be a disaster. Too many handsets to keep happy.

Re:My prediction... (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125365)

Windows will be a disaster. Too many computers to keep happy.

Re:My prediction... (1, Insightful)

Echnin (607099) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125579)

Windows Mobile IS a disaster.

Re:My prediction... (1, Insightful)

davidangel (1337281) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125625)

Windows IS a disaster(reveal Apple "fanboi").

Re:My prediction... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125609)

Why would Android have to keep handsets happy? Android is a platform, which a manufacturer decides to build a handset around. It is not a OS that will be shoe-horned into existing devices.

In other words, the manufacturer gets to decide whether or not Android will be a good fit. Assuming rational decision-makers, only appropriate handsets will be produced to use it.

Re:My prediction... (-1, Troll)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125675)

There is currently no Skype compatibility, although T-Mobile did not specify whether such a thing would be allowed if a third-party were to develop it.

The event ended without much substantial talk about the platform's openness, although the companies emphasized repeatedly that they are committed to being open source and that the Open Software Alliance would enable Android to be used in many different ways in the future.

So will customers be able to write their own apps or use any third-party app that they want? Having an "open" phone means nothing if users can't utilize that openness. Heh, it seems to be every bit as open as the iPhone.

Android blows (1p!) (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125243)

Symbian is going to be open sourced soon so the being opein advantage is now nil. The API in Android is a piece of shit and the performance of the device is abysmal. Linux is not a good choice for a cell phone, plain and simple.

Re:Android blows (1p!) (2, Informative)

[000000] (130723) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125849)

Symbian has a hard application framework to follow, the Google API/Framework is much nicer and so in that respect Android is good as anyone who can code can follow without to many problems.

Title finally write good (0, Offtopic)

Pennidren (1211474) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125249)

Title finally write good

Re:Title finally write good (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125427)

Pennidren no write good?

Re:Title finally write good (1)

Pennidren (1211474) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125437)

They fixed it

Re:Title finally write good (1)

danieltdp (1287734) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125739)

TFA not finally write good, just /. Check it out

Re:Title finally write good (1)

Pennidren (1211474) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125801)

So they edited out T-Mobile (because Google makes headlines interesting but T-Mobile does not) but left the rest. Copy and paste ftl.

Re:Title finally write good (4, Informative)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125441)

Actually, the original title was not so much wrong as it was British. The Brits tend to think of groups (i.e. a band, a corporation) as a plural. We Americans think of them as a singular. British: Pink Floyd are coming to town! American: Pink Floyd is coming to town! British: Google unveil the first Android model. American: Google unveils the first Android model. Of course, I don't know the original poster; they may not have been British; they may have, in fact, been wrong.

Re:Title finally write good (1)

Pennidren (1211474) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125555)

Fairy nuff
I thought that might be the case but reading it made my brain hurt.

Re:Title finally write good (1)

bennomatic (691188) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125611)

Looks like it's all better now :)

Re:Title finally write good (2)

Repugnant_Shit (263651) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125623)

Or they may, in fact, have been both.

Re:Title finally write good (1)

paulthomas (685756) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125553)

For those wondering what the parent post is about, the title of the article was originally in the form of "Google unveil", which is popular in British English.

Only recently have we started to see this use of collective nouns with plural-form verbs in America. I especially see it in music web sites when referring to bands as collective nouns instead of single entities.

It hinges on whether you see companies as "they" or "it". I think it makes more sense to refer to discrete entities in the singular, as the title does now.

Re:Title finally write good (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125761)

I think it makes more sense to refer to discrete entities in the singular, as the title does now.

Yes, Google is one company. Your car, like a company or a team, is a collection of discrete parts, as is your computer. Do you say "my car are out of gas" or "My computer are broken?"

Well, I guess if you're Cajun you do. Justing Wilson, "The Cajun Cook" told a rather nerdish joke on his cooking show:

A Cajun sends his son to college, and when the kid comes back he asks him "well, what did ya larn, boy?"

The kid thinks for a minute and says "Pi R square".

The old Cajun says "What kind 'o tomfoolery they teachin' you, boy? Pie are round, cornbread are square!"

Re:Title finally write good (-1, Offtopic)

dunnius (1298159) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125709)

So the parent gets modded up for pointing out a typo in the summary, but I pointed out a typo in a previous article and got modded down as offtopic. The moderators are rather inconsistent. The funny thing is that the typo in the previous article is still there.

Re:Title finally write good (1)

Pennidren (1211474) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125737)

This inconsistency is easily explained. I am good looking and charming. You... well, yeah...

Re:Title finally write good (4, Insightful)

randyest (589159) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125841)

Psst: there's more than one moderator! There are, in fact, thousands of them! To expect them all to behave the same is, well, rather silly. To get upset about a single moderation to your post here is, well, rather sad.

Benefits? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125251)

I don't think Google will be much better than the current situation with the Apple App Store.

For a start, I'm sure they're not allowing any kind of C application. That will take care of most non-designed-with-Google-in-mind free games.

Like Android, don't like the G1 (4, Insightful)

GBC (981160) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125259)

I am in the market for a new phone now and have been eagerly awaiting this first Android phone for some time. Whilst the G1 looked pretty clunky to me from leaked shots I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt. However, based on today's presentation, I think I am going to wait and see.

My main issues:

1. Unless I misheard, this phone will require a gmail account to actually use it - even if you don't use their mail, calendar and chat apps. Call me paranoid, but I have no intention of giving Google even more info about me. If you need to register/log in using gmail before the phone becomes usable then that is a dealbreaker for me.

2. It also really bugs me that they haven't used a standard headphone jack. I know this is not a problem unique to this handset, but it annoys the hell out of me that manufacturers can't just use the standard jack size. I don't want multiple different headphones, one for each device, I want one set which I can use with all of them.

3. No Exchange support, tethering, desktop sync, video or Skype. Some or all of these would be nice at launch but I assume they will be added fairly quickly by others though given it is an open-source platform.

I think, on balance, I am going to wait until Android is available on other handsets or can be downloaded onto a handset of my choosing. The potential is still very much there with Android itself, but this version ain't it (at least for me). It is a shame really since I had such high hopes for the G1.

Re:Like Android, don't like the G1 (4, Interesting)

explosivejared (1186049) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125371)

I agree with your disappointment in this phone. Personally, this sounds like a big mistake on Google's part. I haven't followed the phone market actively, but I am aware of the general goings on. Android has the potential to make a big splash, but being tied to this handset wastes that initial release PR boost. When you are fighting the gods of marketing and "hip" over at Apple, you gotta play the game right. I still have faith that Android will provide a good alternative for mobile platforms, but I think this release will take a toll. It may be more of an uphill battle than it had to be.

Re:Like Android, don't like the G1 (4, Insightful)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125439)

for #2 get bluetooth headphones, its much easier (I ran into the same problem on my phone).

Re:Like Android, don't like the G1 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125495)

Per the official announcement webcast, there's no A2DP profile support at launch, which makes this unfeasible.

Re:Like Android, don't like the G1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125717)

Correct. I'll bet people are going to respond to you saying "But wait, wasn't it covered that Google removed the Android bluetooth API?". Yes, the API was removed. That doesn't mean you can't use the bluetooth headset on the device - simply that the applications can't interface with the bluetooth capabilities of the phone (beyond interfacing with audio-device1, etc, whether it be by bluetooth or not).

Re:Like Android, don't like the G1 (5, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125461)

1) You don't need to provide any information when you get a Gmail account. Any information you're asked for you can lie about. You can set your account to forward all mail to a real account elsewhere if you don't want to miss anything from Google.

2) As you've noticed, hardly any phones come with a normal jack, so it's hardly a reason for not using this one.

3) Yeah, you might have to wait a month or so. Always good to do that anyway, unless you want to pay the early adopter premium and do all that lovely beta testing for them.

Re:Like Android, don't like the G1 (4, Interesting)

SchnauzerGuy (647948) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125719)

The problem is that in order to get the phone, you need to sign a 2 year contract. As part of the contract, you have to agree to a credit check.

The bottom line that it will be quite easy for T-Mobile and/or Google to associate all of your most personal information (real name, address, SSN, credit history) with all of the information that Google already collects (your search history, email/IM contacts, location).

A paranoid person might think that the whole reason for Google releasing Android is so that it can get a bullet-proof correlation between a person's online and real life identities...

Re:Like Android, don't like the G1 (2, Insightful)

furball (2853) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125493)

Issue #2 is the classic PC OEM issue.

You develop a reasonable software OS. You hand it off to hardware OEM. They fuck it up.

It happened to Windows with crapware. Now it happens to Android with the headphone jack.

Where did you see that? (1)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125523)

Unless I misheard, this phone will require a gmail account to actually use it - even if you don't use their mail, calendar and chat apps.

I didn't get that, just that it only supported gmail, IMAP, and POP3.

But I wouldn't be surprised. If you don't trust Google, don't get Android.

Besides, do you really trust AT&T or T-Mobile more than Google?

Re:Where did you see that? (4, Informative)

GBC (981160) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125723)

Walt Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal wrote a quick review [allthingsd.com] where he mentions that issue. Money quote:

"A second big feature, or limitation, of the G1 depending on your point of view is that it is tightly tied to Googles web-based email, contacts and calendar programs. In fact, you must have a Google (GOOG) account to use the phone, and can only synchronize the phones calendar and address book with Google online services. Unlike the iPhone, it doesnt work with Microsoft Exchange, and it cant physically be synced with a PC-based calendar or contacts program, like Microsoft Outlook."

I am pretty sure Gizmodo picked up on it as well when they did their live blog of the announcement.

Gmail: ways around it (1)

feranick (858651) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125677)

You can always open another Gmail account with as little info of yourself as possible. I have many of them I use for spam, newsletters etc, with no personal info. I don't see why you make such a big deal out of this...

Re:Like Android, don't like the G1 (1)

cytg.net (912690) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125699)

small issues indeed .. I for one am getting one. IPhone didnt really do it for me, i've played with the gfu's and while need it really doesnt add much to the table ... I like the keyboard, i like the touchscreen and i like how everything interoperates .. and i love that i get to code the bastard myself!

Interview with Eric Schmidt at WSJ.com (2, Insightful)

paulthomas (685756) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125725)

I watched an interview with Eric Schmidt, CEO of Google, in which he said that the license for Android means that Yahoo could, for example, create their own version. (In the same interview, he said he would be happy if Microsoft built the next version of IE on Chrome).

Hopefully future vendors will drop the Google account requirement. There are rumors of a Sprint android phone, and AT&T has commented that they are considering it, for whatever that is worth.

Better would be to see something like OpenAndroid spring up to succeed where OpenMoko has so far failed.

Competitor to App Store... (0, Troll)

Tickenest (544722) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125263)

Apple's not worried about this one. If Google tries to launch it, Apple will just shut it down the same way they shut down everything else that competes with their apps.

Google/T-Mobile Collaboration? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125267)

How does this tie in with what was posted earlier here? http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/09/22/2234208.shtml

Why why why why only T-Mobile?? (1, Interesting)

kalpol (714519) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125271)

I have AT&T, and don't want an iPhone (well I do, but it doesn't really do what I need). No soup for me!

Re:Why why why why only T-Mobile?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125491)

Quick question: Did you honestly think Apple would allow AT&T to support the not-iPhone on their network? Think about it, now.

Re:Why why why why only T-Mobile?? (1)

Cheeko (165493) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125607)

The article actually says AT&T and others will have handsets out early 2009. This is just the bleeding edge release on T-Mobile.

Android will work on any GSM network regardless of carrier. Being an open OS there are none of the firmware locks in place that keep the phone off certain GSM networks.

Re:Why why why why only T-Mobile?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125727)

Hmm, apparently Apple did not have a problem with T-Mobile supporting that phone, soon also in Europe (so also in countries like eg Germany and Astria, where T-Mobile is also the iPhone distributor).

Re:Why why why why only T-Mobile?? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125541)

The iPhone was originally AT&T only, but it's available from several providers now. I'm guessing by this time next year the Android phone will be available from everybody.

My concerns are from TFA:

In response to a question about whether the device will be tetherable to a laptop, the company said that the G1 was "meant to be used as a mobile device, not as a tethered modem."

It would be nice to be able to use a cell phone as a laptop modem; not everywhere is a wifi hotspot, and for things like Google Maps a larger-than-phone screen would be nice. The picture in TFA didn't show much, I guess I need to log on to Google Images and google "android" =)

There will not be a desktop application "initially," as it is meant to be used as a mobile device. "All synchronization will be handled on the back-end."

One more reason for me at least to wait to get one. I'm heavily leaning to Cellular One (I'm shopping for a provider having ditched AT&T) because they're free on nights and weekends. I wonder if they'll let me use my old AT&T Razr? I really liked that phone!

The G1 will be SIM-locked to T-Mobile.

Bad IMO, my daughter had them IIRC and din't like them.

The company believes that $179 is a "really attractive price" even though it costs considerably more without heavy subsidies, and users should use it on "the network it was built for."

I thought it was agnostic? But it's open source, so nothing's to stop other providers from having other vendors manufacture it.

There is currently no Skype compatibility, although T-Mobile did not specify whether such a thing would be allowed if a third-party were to develop it.

That doesn't make sense, can anyone explain? Usually voice is cheap, it's the data that's expensive on a phone.

Re:Why why why why only T-Mobile?? (1)

Cheeko (165493) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125585)

This is just the first handset.

Other carriers (including AT&T) will have handsets at some point at the beginning of next year it says.

From what I understand the OS is compatible with any GSM network, it just needs handsets that support the OS.

Re:Why why why why only T-Mobile?? (1)

Zymergy (803632) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125673)

Why not an unlocked handset that works on ANY compatible technology carrier (INCLUDING AT&T/Cingular) with a proper SIM card?... I would be willing to pay a little bit more for it.

After all, I will not buy a certain PC if it ONLY works with AOL or Earthlink "service providers"...

Re:Why why why why only T-Mobile?? (1)

globaljustin (574257) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125701)

I have AT&T, and don't want an iPhone

same here...are we sure that this device will only work through T-Mobile? it's open-source, so isn't it possible to easily make it work with AT&T's service?

The iphone is nice and all, but i'm hesitant to put all my eggs in apple's basket. I've had a few issues with DRM protected iTunes downloads and it put a bad taste in my mouth (found a winamp plugin that works fine, but still...)

Re:Why why why why only T-Mobile?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125741)

Why is the poster marked as a troll? For not wanting an iPhone but having AT&T? C'mon, His reason is honest and not trolling.

Anyway in response to you. Maybe AT&T will pick it up sometime in the near future. While they have the iPhone why not hedge their bets and carry both.

Oblig (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125313)

Does it runs Chrome?

Re:Oblig (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125377)

Does it runs Chrome?

Can you has cheezburger?

So it's Tivoised... (3, Informative)

argent (18001) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125335)

As expected, it's Tivoised...

There is currently no Skype compatibility, although T-Mobile did not specify whether such a thing would be allowed if a third-party were to develop it.

If it wasn't Tivoised, this wouldn't come up, because they wouldn't be able to prevent anyone from installing anything they want on it.

Re:So it's Tivoised... (2, Informative)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125617)

I'd get over it dude. Even if you could put a VoIP app on your phone, the latency is horrible. I have both a T-Mobile data card and a Blackberry I can tether, and using EDGE, I get around 1000-1300ms latency. Even with 3G, my understanding is that latency is over 100-200ms, and VoIP ain't workin' with that.

Re:So it's Tivoised... (2, Interesting)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125807)

I'd get over it dude. Even if you could put a VoIP app on your phone, the latency is horrible. I have both a T-Mobile data card and a Blackberry I can tether, and using EDGE, I get around 1000-1300ms latency. Even with 3G, my understanding is that latency is over 100-200ms, and VoIP ain't workin' with that.

On AT&T my voice call latency to another cell phone on AT&T held up to my other ear is about 300-500 ms. You'd be surprised what's acceptable. 1 second of lag is sort of painful (use an international calling card if you want a preview of that), but 300-500 ms is pretty much normal feeling in most conversations.

But.. (2, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125363)

I heard that it doesn't support A2DP so no bluetooth stereo headsets.
And I can not find out if it has voice dialing. My old Samsung had great Voice dialing.
My current Sanyo's is just okay and my wife's Razor really doesn't work all that well.

Interesting chipset (5, Interesting)

IorDMUX (870522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125383)

There's also an announcement from the Android Community [androidcommunity.com] (and confirmed by Qualcomm [prnewswire.com] ) that the device will be running off of a new Linux-based and Linux-optimized Qualcomm chipset.

What I find most interesting, however, is their mention of an asymmetric dual-core processor, with one core optimized for specific phone functionality and the other designed as a general-purpose processor. If this works, it will be an interesting new trend and a big step forwards for phones, Linux, and Qualcomm, I believe. (Apparently, though, it still has a few issues... I wish luck to those design teams!)

Re:Interesting chipset (5, Informative)

tbird20d (600059) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125747)

Dual-core, asymmetric chipsets have been common in the mobile phone market (and in other embedded markets as well) for years. Often, it is a combination of an ARM processor and some sort of DSP. Symmetric ARM processors are pretty common also. It's hard to tell from the announcement if the "other" processor in the Qualcomm chipset is more general purpose than a DSP, but it's hardly groundbreaking.

Note that this arrangement is often used to "insulate" portions of the software stack from possible GPL issues.

Re:Interesting chipset (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125759)

TI has been making a line of dual-core chips calls OMAP for years that have an ARM9 on one side and a TI DSP on the other. The Nokia web tablets (770, 800, 810) use them, but it's such a bitch to find the TI DSP compiler for Linux that nobody's written any apps that use the DSP. Sort of a pity, really...

more from an Washington post article (5, Informative)

samsonov (581161) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125405)

another article: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fasterforward/2008/09/t-mobile_unveils_first_google.html [washingtonpost.com]
This unveiling also brought some bad news for Android enthusiasts.
* Neither Google nor HTC nor T-Mobile will ship any sort of desktop-synchronization software with the phone, so your only way to get your address book and calendars onto the G1 will be to upload them to Gmail and Google Calendar. I can't believe that these companies are leaving a function this basic as a "third party opportunity."
* The G1, like the iPhone and T-Mobile's Sidekick, will have its SIM card slot locked to prevent the use of other carriers' subscriber-identity module cards. So if you don't like T-Mobile's network here or its roaming rates overseas, you'll either have to suck it up or hope somebody "jailbreaks" this phone in the same way that hackers have defeated the iPhone's SIM locking.
* The G1 will offer limited compatibility with some of the files you use most often. It will only be able to read Microsoft Office files, not edit them. And while its music player will be able to use MP3, Windows Media and AAC files, you'll need to wait for a third-party to provide some sort of add-on to sync your iTunes library to the phone. And iTunes Store downloads restricted with Apple's "digital rights management" locks won't play on the G1 (though the G1 is no different from other non-Apple devices in this respect; that's why you shouldn't buy Apple's DRM-ed downloads at all when you get the same music as an unlocked, open MP3 from Amazon's MP3 store).
* Its Bluetooth is as limited as the iPhone's. The G1 will initially support only hands-free kits, with "A2DP" stereo-sound output coming later on and, it seems, no plans for file transfer or other, more useful Bluetooth options.

Re:more from an Washington post article (1)

tchuladdiass (174342) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125789)

But it has wifi. Couldn't you just load up iptables nat module, and use it as a wifi gateway? Or are you locked out of the Linux part of the phone and only allowed to dump android-api apps on it?

Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile phone? (2, Interesting)

Ngarrang (1023425) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125433)

Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile phone? Could it? With the Android platform being open-source, I think it is just possible.

What is my dream mobile phone? It is JUST A FREAKIN' PHONE. No touch screen. No web browsing. Just a single line B&W LCD, maybe two lines for easier caller ID printing. And with big buttons.

Without a big fancy screen, the phone would cost less to make. That extra space could have a bigger fractal antenna pattern board or something for even better reception. And without all of those useless extra features, a battery life exceeding any phone made today.

Re:Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile pho (5, Funny)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125469)

Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile phone? Could it? With the Android platform being open-source, I think it is just possible.

Do Androids dream of electric sheep?

Re:Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile pho (5, Funny)

elenaran (649639) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125645)

dude, your dreamphone already exists: http://www.jitterbug.com/Phones.aspx [jitterbug.com] Now you just have to download a "Git off my lawn!!" ringtone

Re:Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile pho (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125657)

http://www.shopkami.com/component/virtuemart/?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=1694&category_id=84 [shopkami.com]

Basic enough? And it's only $40. You could go more basic with a Tracphone (unlock it, and it'll work on any GSM network).

Re:Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile pho (1)

Kamineko (851857) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125667)

> What is my dream mobile phone? It is JUST A FREAKIN' PHONE. No touch screen. No web browsing. Just a single line B&W LCD, maybe two lines for easier caller ID printing. And with big buttons.

The early 90's called. Motorola would like to sell you this thing:
http://www.handcellphone.com/archives/the-coolest-cell-phones-that-i-used-to-dreamed-of [handcellphone.com]

Re:Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125733)

There is something called jitterbug, sounds like your type of phone.

Just Answer the Call from 1998 (4, Funny)

weston (16146) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125785)

Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile phone? Could it? With the Android platform being open-source, I think it is just possible.

Dude, Android has nothing to do with your dream phone. The Nokia 5190 was pretty much doing what you wanted it to 10 years ago. Pick one up off of eBay for less than $30 and be happy, unless you're worried that the extra features like SMS and Snake will interfere with your experience. Tell all your Slashdot friends who also just want a phone, too.

Re:Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125809)

I believe you're talking about the Motofone F3? [wikipedia.org]

Re:Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125813)

I have the same dream phone. Its a Motorola F3.

Re:Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile pho (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125815)

Then go buy a Nokia 1600 and GTFO of threads for people who like smarphones.

Re:Could this possibly lead to my dream mobile pho (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125833)

What is my dream mobile phone? It is JUST A FREAKIN' PHONE. No touch screen. No web browsing. Just a single line B&W LCD, maybe two lines for easier caller ID printing. And with big buttons.

Hey, I had one of those backin the late '90s! It was a Motorola Star-Tac. Unfortunately it was analog...

Android == Dream Development Platform (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125853)

Our small startup was going to do iPhone apps with a nice chunk of funding from some venture capital types.

Android was a bit under the radar for awhile and the other people I am working with were caught up in the Apple marketing hype. But then more and more developer nightmare stories about dealing with Apple kept coming up. And these were above and beyond the absurd NDA crap and other secrecy Apple holds to with their product plans raised all sorts of alarms. Even the money guys were getting worried that they were going to dump all this cash into projects that were completely at the mercy and whim of Apple.

We were about to go out and waste money on expensive Macs for everyone - one of our guys was insisting on some 4 grand Mac laptop.

All those plans are now scrapped. We are all working on Android by simply downloading the free SDK and eclipse IDE and up and running on our own PCs. We don't have to waste time learning damn Objective-C that no one outside of the niche Mac dev community has any experience with and instead were able to jump right in with our existing Java skills.

The sky is the limit for Android. Solid technology base that is completely open. All the benefits of open source Linux without all the useless development and API fragmentation. The amount of interest from cellphone makers and people beyond the cellphone market in leveraging Android for their devices makes it clear that the huge amount of developer interest is just going to continue to grow rapidly.

Anything a user wants will be appearing on Android. It's so easy to modify for whatever end users need and desire.

Bye bye Apple and iPhone. Hello Android. Google really came through big time with this platform.

app store and stupid editors (4, Funny)

Rudolf (43885) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125449)

You might also not be at all surprised to know that Google is working on an Android competitor to the Apple App store.

That's right, I'm not suprised. It was on the front page of Slashdot awhile back.
http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/30/1335231 [slashdot.org]

comment about editors and reading Slashdot goes here.

This might be cool in a year or so (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125467)

Slide out full keyboard, touch screen, and not running Windows Mobile. So far, so good.

Once the majority of the bugs are worked out, and they release a GSM version, it could be really cool.

Now to carefully make my current phone last one more year...

Re:This might be cool in a year or so (3, Informative)

flanksteak (69032) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125613)

If it works on TMobile, it's GSM.

Re:This might be cool in a year or so (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125803)

> If it works on TMobile, it's GSM.

Thanks, I wasn't sure what TMobile uses. Change what I said to "release an ATT or unlocked version".

Not Google's Release (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125485)

Google isn't making the phone, they made the platform. Why TFS says that Google unveiled it, I have no clue. The phone is made by HTC for T-Mobile. Other phones for other carriers are in the works by the respective carriers.

Wait for others if you want, it's still Android.

The new mindshare leaders. (5, Insightful)

lancejjj (924211) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125527)

Everyone is comparing this new offering to the iPhone. But the interesting thing is that virtually no one compares it to the Blackberry - the new "has-been" of the so-called "Smart phone" industry.

It isn't like the Blackberry hasn't had any warning - the iPhone was announced more than 18 months ago, and there have been rumors about the Google-driven offering for nearly as long. How the shareholders of RIM can merely watch their company rest on its laurels is beyond me. RIM's death will be when Microsoft tries to acquire it.

In the 1980's, WANG was in nearly every office in America. They rested during the PC revolution, and within a couple years they were as good as dead. RIM has entered that territory. Yes, Blackberrys are still selling to corporate clients, who are traditionally slow to embrace new technologies. But other than the slow-movers out there, everyone can clearly see two very high-profile competitors - Apple and Google.

Looks bad for RIM.

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125543)

Will someone PLEASE make a touch screen phone with REAL one-handed dialing buttons? After owning an HTC, I will never own a full touchscreen again.

Give me a phone you can dial without looking at. Voice dialing isn't always an option.

Re:Why? (1)

tchuladdiass (174342) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125819)

Motorola A780? Has a touch screen, but buttons on the flip.

Pros and Cons (4, Informative)

Devil's BSD (562630) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125545)

Quick rundown of the pros and cons I've noticed as I've watched the coverage:

Pros:

  • Open source, SDK available
  • Not application-locked
  • Automatic internet-based sync, not based on a PC
  • GUI looks very user-friendly
  • Push Gmail. Rock on.
  • A physical keyboard. With pushy clicky buttons. Yes, I went there, iPhone fanbois and gals.

Cons:

  • No A2DP yet, and no 3.5mm stereo jack to make up for it. Although supposedly A2DP is coming soon.
  • No tethering. Although I suppose there will be a 3rd party app written for this soon.
  • No video capture. Would be nice to take video and directly upload to youtube. Although as above,I suppose there will be a 3rd party app written for this soon.
  • No Exchange syncing. This makes it a bit difficult to integrate into a corporate setting.
  • No multitouch. I'd figure with the next generation of smartphones with big screens this wouldve been a no-brainer.
  • T-Mobile's 3G coverage is still spotty. I don't know whether my area will be getting 3G anytime soon... I hope so! Along with this point, the phone will be only available in-store in areas where there is 3G coverage.

I think I will be sitting out on the first generation of Android. If the next generation of android phones has as many improvements as there were from iPhone 1.0 to 2.0, i will be a a very happy camper.

Re:Pros and Cons (1)

Microlith (54737) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125779)

Open source, SDK available

As others have noted, it's Tivo'd.

I wonder if its even possible to touch the underlying Linux subsystem without the phone torching itself (sorta like some of the Linux-based Motorola phones.)

Open Handset? (1)

mrboyd (1211932) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125561)

The device looks ok.. but I didn't realize during the hype building process that HTC's device would be sim-locked to a network. So much for an open handset alliance product...

Is that thing going to be sold retail worldwide without having to go through an operator? Operator don't subsidize phone where I live anyway. :|

SSH? I want SSH! (3, Insightful)

A nonymous Coward (7548) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125573)

If it can run SSH, whether native or third party, and if there is some way to verify it's a real SSH, not infested by DHS or other snoops, that would be great.

Wow, I'm so excited I might go take a nap (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125595)

I'm going to be in the market for an upgrade an a couple of months, and this is quite underwhelming. I'm sure there are some good things that weren't in TFA (I sure hope there was a lot left out).

No tetherability? Mmmm, that sucks.

No mention of GPS or an app. Perhaps an extortion-like monthly fee to get the feature will follow?

No desktop sync with calendar? That's going to be quite a hassle, especially since I can't tether to get online to the gFoo apps. Also, I sure hope they have balls-up caching for the gFoo apps like contacts and calendar. Not everyone who uses a pda-phone is in signal range for even GPRS all the time.

As for the Dream... what's with the button bar not moving? Did HTC have too many complaints from Blackberry users that their Hermes and TyTn keyboards were too large? They could have put a whole numeric keypad over there.

Re:Wow, I'm so excited I might go take a nap (2, Interesting)

Constantine XVI (880691) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125847)

GPS is there, and tied into Google Maps. And Google already has a sync plugin for Outlook, Thunderbird/Lightning has an extension, and it's built into Evolution.

Street view (1)

qoncept (599709) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125681)

"(including street view, a feature that is infuriatingly missing from the iPhone)"

I don't mean to be a troll, just curious. In what way is Google Street View useful?

Re:Street view (1)

bledri (1283728) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125797)

I don't mean to be a troll, just curious. In what way is Google Street View useful?

I've used it to see what some nearby landmarks or the actual destination look like before I try to find them in the real world. It's pretty handy.

It is not google's phone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25125689)

It is HTC's phone. They premiered it with T-Mobile. Google was just a monkey wrench. It is interesting how nobody can seem to get past the Google software to the HTC hardware.

Android Q&A (2, Informative)

Stypen (720346) | more than 5 years ago | (#25125743)

APCMag.com has an informative Q&A sit down with Android team member Dan Morrill. You can read it here [apcmag.com] .
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