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LHC Offline Until April 2009 (Or Longer)

CmdrTaco posted more than 5 years ago | from the now-we'll-never-know-the-secret dept.

Science 298

rufey writes "The recent problems at the Large Hadron Collider will now keep it idle until spring 2009. The official press release is here. The LHC went offline due to a suspected failure in a superconducting connection, which overheated and caused around 100 of the LHC's super-cooled magnets to heat up by as much as 100 degrees. This resulted in the accidental release of a ton of liquid helium. The process required to repair the failed superconducting connection involves weeks of warming up the affected area from -456 degrees Fahrenheit to room temperature, and then several more weeks to cool it back down after the repair is made. The total amount of time to do this will spill over into CERN's scheduled winter maintenance/shutdown period, which is partly done to save money on electricity during the period of peak demand."

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I can wait (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25137723)

I can wait till next spring for the world to end.

Re:I can wait (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25138035)

Basically what happened is when they fired it up, a giant ring - gate, if you will - appeared, and they don't have it under control yet.

Re:I can wait (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138797)

But don't worry, they already killed the six multitentacular aliens/demons that managed to get through before they could shut the LHC down.

Re:I can wait (5, Funny)

Prof.Phreak (584152) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138121)

Don't worry, there will be another delay, then another, then another, until it goes live in 2012.

Re:I can wait (1)

BradleyAndersen (1195415) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138205)

I wish I had the mod points to move you up for this one. Bravo :)

They will trun it back the day after the CUBS win (2, Funny)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138419)

They will trun it back the day after the CUBS win it all.

Re:I can wait (1)

Canislupus01 (1368173) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138423)

HAHA! I was going to post the exact same thing. The Mayan calendar was SO RIGHT!

Re:I can wait (1)

MozeeToby (1163751) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138723)

Nah, the world can't end, haven't you ever heard of the quantum suicide thought experiment? Clearly, this delay is just the first of many, eventually leading to the cancelation of the project. It's simply the most statistically likely thing that could happen that would avert the disaster.

Re:I can wait (4, Insightful)

Bemopolis (698691) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138131)

You must not be an American. I was hoping for total annihilation rather than having to live through the election.

Re:I can wait (4, Funny)

Barradrewda (1016610) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138295)

Spring is in the air! Higgs bosons everywherrrrrrrre!

they blowed it up (1)

CHRONOSS2008 (1226498) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138297)

maybe it sent particles thorugh space time and they are tugging some giant galactic cluster toward it and in a giant wormhole it will all pop back here. /me gets some popcorn ( not from a movie theatre )

Re:I can wait (1)

GroeFaZ (850443) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138641)

Sucks to be one of the people who have already rang the Doom Bell and put the family suicide knife to use.

Hmmmmmm (2, Funny)

rodney dill (631059) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137725)

Now where did that paper clip go?

Re:Hmmmmmm (1)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137853)

You don't closed all clips on storage, before we turn on the magnets? oh oh...

Re:Hmmmmmm (5, Funny)

AndersOSU (873247) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138009)

It looks like you're trying to repair a superconductor coolant loop. Would you like to:
(a) vent all helium
(b) order another 30 ton transformer
(c) damn the torpedoes, lets make some black holes.

Re:Hmmmmmm (2, Funny)

jitterman (987991) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138729)

(d)Profit?

Re:Hmmmmmm Funny that you should mention (0, Troll)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138769)

the paperclip (alluding to magnetism)... My initial thoughts are that this is a successful (achieved, whether or not the victims want it to be a) sabotage act. We already heard that crackers broke in but were contained or blocked. Often, thefts and heists are facilitated by insiders. I wonder which (if any) internal "agents" is a mole. Even just yesterday, having read the link about acts of internet sabotage/cyber attacks:

http://net-security.org/secworld.php?id=6554 [net-security.org]

I wouldn't be surprised if a US or US-sympathetic student or agent working on the scientific teams helped map the security protocols/topology and insert the mole. Why dare slam the US? Well, because we CONSTANTLY are bombarded with what appear to be outrageous lies about *China* constantly attacking (when "probing" might be the better description?) US military sites. The report/link on the attacks indicates that China's currently interested or succeeding in planting trojans/bots/mechanisms in less secure academic facilities. And, the US' Semiconducting super collider never took off:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94481272 [npr.org]

So, who knows with unassailable certainty that the US (aside from risking losing access to treasured scientific Data from the LHC) wouldn't have tinkered with the idea of delaying or sabotaging the LHC? NOBODY! But, there could be other culprits, to be fair...

OTOH, if there are any Chinese nationals as scientists/workers there, i doubt they'd have a motivation for doing it. It's not as if they have a domestic collider program. They're busy with the ship construction, manufacturing, and space programs - and, i suppose, - if Crawl Street implodes, they will try to advance Shanghai or other places as financial centers, inviting in many of the brightest being purged or dropped from New York. And, who's to SAY (with certitude and factuality) that the US WILL AND SHALL remain the financial processing center of the world? NO ONE can.

Anyway, I bet any overheating or tube/ring failures will end up being reported as unfortunate mechanical failure. Even if it is sabotage, it'll be kept hushed to not help any attackers know for certain that THEIR act was the one that did in the LHC and deflated the short-lived jubilation felt over activation of the LHC...

Damn (3, Funny)

megamerican (1073936) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137737)

Now I'll have to wait even longer to welcome our new demonic overlords who were supposed to come out of the stargate that the LHC will create.

Not Really (1)

mfh (56) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137759)

They are already here, and in positions of power around the world. Their reinforcements, however, will be late.

Re:Not Really (1)

digitalgiblet (530309) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138225)

They are already here, and in positions of power around the world. Their reinforcements, however, will be late.

So this is our chance! W00t! Get them!

Of course, nuking them from orbit is the only way to be sure. And we thought the real estate market was bad now...

Handyman Special! Nice view, very low rads... Guaranteed to be the last home you ever buy!

Re:Not Really (3, Funny)

Abreu (173023) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138851)

Naw, its too late.

Turns out McCain is Kang and Obama is Kodos.

You know its useless to vote for a third candidate.

Re:Damn (4, Funny)

ivandavidoff (969036) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137953)

Indeed. I'm not an expert, but I believe "a suspected failure in a superconducting connection, which overheated and caused around 100 of the LHC's super-cooled magnets to heat up by as much as 100 degrees" is just fancy-talk for "we made a wormhole, but it wasn't big enough".

Re:Damn (4, Funny)

vertinox (846076) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138057)

Now I'll have to wait even longer to welcome our new demonic overlords who were supposed to come out of the stargate that the LHC will create.

Well, it looks like the best estimates will have the LHC running full collisions will be sometime in December, 2012.

Hey wait a minute!

Re:Damn (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138555)

But it's buried.
The wormholes can't establish a connection if a large object is inside the ring.

-456 degrees? (5, Informative)

Squapper (787068) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137749)

I thought the absolute zero was at -273...ah, damn americans!

Re:-456 degrees? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25137895)

-273C or -459F or 0K

Re:-456 degrees? (2, Funny)

rodney dill (631059) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137997)

220, 221, whatever it takes.

Re:-456 degrees? (5, Informative)

CaptainPatent (1087643) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137955)

I thought the absolute zero was at -273...ah, damn americans!

I thought absolute zero was at 0...
ah, damn humans.

Re:-456 degrees? (1, Insightful)

ionix5891 (1228718) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137967)

it must be the only country still using that system, why oh why? does it make everything sound bigger or something??

since this is a european project the writers of this must have went out of their way to convert to Fahrenheit and dumben down the subject matter

Re:-456 degrees? (1)

exley (221867) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138197)

since this is a european project the writers of this must have went out of their way to convert to Fahrenheit and dumben down the subject matter

While I agree it's asinine that we still use things like English units (which even the English don't use anymore, for fuck's sake), how does doing a unit conversion "dumben down" the subject matter? And you said "dumben" on purpose, right?

Re:-456 degrees? (3, Funny)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138393)

Okay folks lets get it straight. The US isn't the only one that still doesn't use the metric system for everything.
http://www.toyota.co.uk/cgi-bin/toyota/bv/generic_editorial.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@0174202331.1222276069@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccdadeffffejeicfngcfkmdfkidfgh.0&deepLink=YA3_Specification_new&nodiv=TRUE&fullwidth=TRUE&edname=specSheet_YA3&carModel=Yaris&imgName=bv/CarChapter/YA3/Imagery/YA3_spec.jpg&zone=Zone%20YARIS [toyota.co.uk]
Here is a link to a Japanese car company selling a car in the UK.
They give the fuel economy in MPG as well as KM per liter.
Drives me crazy when I get UK motor cycle mag. The give the fuel economy in MPG and the fuel tank size in Liters!

Re:-456 degrees? (1)

digitalderbs (718388) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137979)

Google : -456 degrees fahrenheit in kelvin

Result :(-456) degrees Fahrenheit = 2.03888889 kelvin

The parent isn't informative or funny in any sense.

Re:-456 degrees? (1)

Facetious (710885) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138105)

digitalderbs is a bitter old man.

Re:-456 degrees? (1)

Evanisincontrol (830057) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138495)

Just because YOU didn't get the joke doesn't make it not funny.

Re:-456 degrees? (1)

DemoLiter3 (704469) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137987)

What's more important: I thought this section was already warmed by 100 degrees? Why they have to cool it down again and then wait another X weeks to warm it back again to room temperature. WTF

Re:-456 degrees? (1)

VeNoM0619 (1058216) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138033)

which overheated and caused around 100 of the LHC's super-cooled magnets to heat up by as much as 100 degrees. This resulted in the accidental release of a ton of liquid helium

More importantly is the exact science and measurements...

~100 were heated up over 100 degrees (K/F/C?), so were these 100 overheated? How about that 'a ton' of liquid helium, is that like.... a lot, or was it exactly 2,000 pounds?

Re:-456 degrees? (2, Funny)

Bloke down the pub (861787) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138657)

How about that 'a ton' of liquid helium, is that like.... a lot, or was it exactly 2,000 pounds?

A ton is exactly 2240 lbs. Otherwise it wouldn't be a round number of hundredweights (or stones) and that would just be silly.

Unless it's a metric ton, which is spelt "tonne", and is exactly 2204 and a bit lbs. Simple, no?

Being scientists, the quantity in this instance was probably more or less a shedload.

Re:-456 degrees? (1)

iNaya (1049686) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138101)

I thought it was at 0 K... Ah... damn luddies!

Re:-456 degrees? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138263)

Okay. I am from the US.
Absolute zero is 0K!
Stupid submitter and editor.

Re:-456 degrees? (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138443)

Exactly what went through my head. I had to convert with Google [google.com] to figure out the temperature in a real unit of measure.

Brrrrr... but not quite absolute brrr.

What's required to clean up such a spill? Wouldn't that temperature make everything that approaches it become very brittle? Or very solid?

Re:-456 degrees? (1)

JustKidding (591117) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138699)

That keeps irritating me, too. TFA is even in the "science" section! Can we at least agree to use the Kelvin scale for scientific articles?

-456 Fahrenheit is (almost) equal to 2 Kelvin.

Re:-456 degrees? (1)

ThanatosMinor (1046978) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138719)

I think what they meant to say was 3.42 R
Doesn't everybody use Rankine?

I see this before... (1)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137771)

This remembers me "The ship will not hold captain!"

Well (1)

Mister_Stoopid (1222674) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137783)

That sucks.

No (1)

marcosdumay (620877) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138571)

That does not suck. But the alternative...

Ok, I've made a LHC black hole joke. I couldn't resist... Shame on me :(

Didn't they kinda predict this? (1)

dangerz (540904) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137795)

I remember reading an article on here talking about a theory in which a particle from the future could come back and shut things down. I guess they could use that theory for any kind of downtime though.

Re:Didn't they kinda predict this? (2, Funny)

Extremus (1043274) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138125)

So, if this is correct, we now know that it will work.

Not the end of the world (1)

us7892 (655683) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137801)

Great, so we won't have to hear more stories about the end of the world caused by black holes. Well, at least until the spring anyway.

This breakdown is probably just the beginning of a series of breakdowns. A year from now everyone will be complaining about the huge price tag on this thing that has never been 100% operational.

Re:Not the end of the world (4, Funny)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137877)

A year from now everyone will be complaining about the huge price tag on this thing that has never been 100% operational.

It's the Windows Vista of supercolliders.

Re:Not the end of the world (2, Funny)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137941)

I'd rather it be the Vista then the Millennium Edition...

Re:Not the end of the world (4, Funny)

tnk1 (899206) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138497)

You're being unfair, but they have a plan.

They're going to rename it the Large Mojave Collider and prove that its just bad press that is making them look bad.

The should contact... (1)

rodney dill (631059) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137839)

... the TV show Fringe. They turned off an MRI instantaneously and pull a guy out of it on last nights episode.

Re:The should contact... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25138759)

Heh...Thats where your incredulism comes in on that show?

It wasnt the "ghost network telepathy caused by Iridium in their brains?" Or the fact they use latin to transmit some of the time but english at others?

That show is pure fluff its so bad on science i think it actually hurts smart people.

Now what do I do? (5, Funny)

bigtallmofo (695287) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137843)

I spent all my money over the last 6 months on alcohol and parties, secure in the knowledge that the world would come to an end this October when the LHC came up to full power.

This is unacceptable. I demand they destroy the world now.

Re:Now what do I do? (1)

TheDarkMaster (1292526) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137927)

And me? I will need to pay my house rent this month again :(

Re:Now what do I do? (1)

AioKits (1235070) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138077)

Tough man, I'm keeping the couch you sold me for $20.

Re:Now what do I do? (5, Funny)

Prof.Phreak (584152) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138151)

...spent all my money...secure in the knowledge that the world would come to an end this October

Yeah, you and all the banks!

Re:Now what do I do? (1)

0xABADC0DA (867955) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138285)

Don't worry... what they didn't report was the cause of the leak -- and why no matter how much caulk they put over it the hole just won't go away. In fact, it seems to grow with every attempt to seal it.

Re:Now what do I do? (1)

rodney dill (631059) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138353)

I guess its back to work on the Illudium Pu-36 Explosive Space Modulator.

Re:Now what do I do? (2, Funny)

neoform (551705) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138385)

This reminds me of a friend of mine, who on his deathbed told me:

All my life, I spent 90% of my money on hookers and alcohol.. and I wasted the other 10%.

Projected start date (2, Funny)

Cor-cor (1330671) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137857)

I believe with all the problems they're having, the actual date when the high-energy collisions begin will be December 2012 [wikipedia.org] .

Party time (3, Informative)

Harmonious Botch (921977) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138249)

I believe with all the problems they're having, the actual date when the high-energy collisions begin will be December 2012 [wikipedia.org] .

That actually is appropriate, though probably not in the sense that P means. The Mesoamerican calandar that 'ends' in 2012 is just the end of a chunk of a calendar, to be followed by another chunk, and another, etc. It is like New Year's Eve for us; the end of a cycle and an excuse to party. 2012 is just an excuse to party, Mayan style, ripping the hearts out of human sacrifices or however they celebrate it.
When the first collisions happen, that will be grounds for partying also.

Re:Projected start date (1)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138329)

What's the next doomsday fantasy after the 2012 one, anyway? Saying "I told you so" to the credulous has been a fine tradition for all of history [randi.org] and I'm happy to continue the practise. I need to be prepared!

-456 F? What is that? (1)

Protoslo (752870) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137885)

Say something meaningful--the magnets were about 2 degrees Kelvin.

Re:-456 F? What is that? (3, Informative)

Nesomir (612890) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138029)

Say something meaningful--the magnets were about 2 degrees Kelvin.

you mean 2 Kelvin (since it is an absolute scale)

Re:-456 F? What is that? (1)

AndersOSU (873247) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138127)

Quit complaining about Fahrenheit, we could have said 2.7 Rankine.

Re:-456 F? What is that? (2, Interesting)

Protoslo (752870) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138155)

I could claim that I was born before the 13th General Conference on Weights and Measures [bipm.org] and exhort you to get off my lawn...but I'd be lying.

Re:-456 F? What is that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25138707)

you mean 2 Kelvin (since it is an absolute scale)

Or, for the rest of us, 3.0025 Libraries of Congress.

Re:-456 F? What is that? (1)

us7892 (655683) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138037)

Hey old chap, can tell me the length in barleycorn's for this collider?

A ton? (1)

philspear (1142299) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137943)

Do they actually mean there was a metric ton of Liquid Helium released, or just a lot? I mean, any liquid helium spilled, even jus a measly ounce, to me seems like a big deal considering how expensive and, well, cold it is. A whole ton? Seriously, is this an actual figure or is it just an exageration? Or is it even an understatement? I really have no idea.

Re:A ton? (4, Informative)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138095)

The LHC cooling circuit has something like 400 tons of helium in it.
One ton missing sounds reasonable.

The cold doesnt matter, btw. Liquid helium has a really low heat capacity and evaporation enthalpy. A dewar full of liquid nitrogen spilled will do much more damage than 10 times the amount of helium, even if the helium temperature is lower.

And helium is not THAT expensive. At least compared to the other costs.

A physicists analogy is that a LN2 costs as much as cheap beer, while L He as much as good whiskey, per volume... (I once used 2000l of liquid helium in a single week because of a faulty magnet that couldnt be replaced during beamtime. Although that was of course recaptured. I hope they have options to do that in the LHC cave, too, even though the initial containment was breached)

Re:A ton? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25138139)

They really meant 'tun' of helium (man page found here: http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=4&topic=tun [gsp.com] ).

Re:A ton? (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138755)

>I mean, any liquid helium spilled, even jus a measly ounce, to me seems like a big deal considering how expensive and, well, cold it is

According to a LHC staffer blog, they capture the helium and reuse...

Coolant leak? (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137961)

Or something more sinister? Did they make a blackhole? Are they desperately trying to contain it before it destroys the earth?

Although really, if my ST:NG watching is any indication, coolant leaks are bad mojo in and of themselves. And that would explain why I was told to put on a red shirt this morning.

Until april? (1)

Leafheart (1120885) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137973)

Holy FSM! More or less 31 weeks of downtime. Anyone have more details about the warming up and cooling process? I mean, how efectivly is it done and how long it take for each sector?

Re:Until april? (2, Funny)

AndersOSU (873247) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138267)

There's a guy running back and forth down the tunnel with a bucket of warm water...

Ouch (5, Funny)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 5 years ago | (#25137975)

I understand things were going well - then there was this 'big bang'....

Re:Ouch (1)

MRe_nl (306212) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138307)

"Event-horizons occur from time to time that temporarily stop operations, for shorter or longer periods, especially during the early phases," said Cern physicist Peter Limon ; )

Save energy ? what the hell ? (2, Funny)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138021)

the BIGGEST and probably the most important experiment ever conceived is underway, and they are being left to think about saving energy ?

if there is anything that world shouldnt be saving energy, if there is anything that needs to be subsidized by governments, this is it.

because, this is IT. if the god particle is found, the smallest block of EXISTENCE will be found.

im appalled how EU is not being of sufficient assistance in this. unbelievable.

Re:Save energy ? what the hell ? (5, Informative)

Sobrique (543255) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138081)

When they're using the kind of energy that knocks out country powergrids, then yes, it is a consideration.

Re:Save energy ? what the hell ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25138733)

>> the smallest block of EXISTENCE will be found

There's no such thing.

Back-of-the-envelope costs (3, Informative)

digitalderbs (718388) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138045)

Last time I checked, LHe was about $5 USD a liter. A metric ton is 1000kg, and LHe's density is 0.125g/ml (wikipedia), which amounts to 8000 liters or about 40k. Considering that He is non-renewable, leaking out of the atmosphere, hopefully they were able to reclaim and recompress it.

Re:Back-of-the-envelope costs (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138513)

Non-renewable? Hogwash. We already have the technology to create He. It's just that it takes a lot of energy and we have to do it 1 atom at a time. Of course, that's probably only on a par with trying to recover it from the atmosphere...

Houston we have a problem (1)

juanitobanana (1342487) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138049)

They must be calling the black hole firefighters. as everybody knows this stuff grows slowly: http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/science_technology/black+hole+missing+link+found/2459102 [channel4.com] "super-massive black holes were thought to grow slowly". Way to go, that'll learn us to put such a facility in switzerland where suicide rates are so high.

Ton of Helium (2, Funny)

necro81 (917438) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138067)

A ton of helium! What's the big deal? That's, like, way lighter than a ton of air!

[I'm being facetious about the weights, but in terms of cost, losing a ton of helium is freakin' expensive]

We know. You can tell from the LHC cyro status. (4, Informative)

Animats (122034) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138079)

Look at the LHC cyro status for sector 3-4 [web.cern.ch] . Average magnet temperature is now at 70K, and slowly creeping up to room temperature. Notice the expanded vertical scale on the graph. Compare with the other sectors, holding with liquid helium at 1.9K.

Warmup is slow. Cooldown is slower. Several kilometers of pipe and a hundred or so magnets are involved.

It's not that bad, though. It looks like they won't have to take magnets out of the tunnel for rewinding. That's a huge job. This is just a slow one.

They can warm up or chill down sector 3-4 during the shutdown period. The rest of the system would normally be cooled during shutdown anyway.

The future is now! (2, Funny)

DerCed (155038) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138171)

I, for one, welcome the Higgs bosons from the future that successfully interfere with the LHC in the present!

Sofucation? At least I'll sound funny... (1)

An Anal. Chemist (1370497) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138191)

Yikes, I'd be more worried about the liquid helium being released than making a black hole. You'd die awfully quick if your precious oxygen is replaced with helium.

-450who? (5, Insightful)

IorDMUX (870522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138193)

Okay, I'm a born and raised American, and -453 Fahrenheit means nothing to me. Even us Americans use Celsius for science. If I read a temperature outside of what the weatherman could report, then a Fahrenheit measurement is just another number that I have to convert before it will mean something. (Let's see... being a former Clevelander, the weatherman range would be from about -30 to 110 F.)

Please. If it's science, give us our 'degrees C'.

You're no kind of scientist. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25138661)

Real scientists use SI metric base units. And as everyone knows, the SI unit for temperature is... *drumroll*...

KELVINS.

Re:-450who? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25138681)

The measurement should have been in Kelvin, anyway. Perhaps the author isn't a science guy.

Your telling me maintenance people cannot work (-1, Flamebait)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138305)

at near absolute 0? Pussies.

Spare magnets (1)

Plazmid (1132467) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138323)

It sure is a good thing that they have 30-40 spare magnets.

Shouldn't take THAT long (2, Funny)

bugeaterr (836984) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138337)

To upgrade to XP.

Turns out one of the new particles forgot to get certified Vista-ready.

Not naming any names here (I'm looking at you muon-antineutrino!)

I know what caused the leak... (1)

cpotoso (606303) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138341)

It was a mini black hole that eat through the insulation! No question about it... now it is busy devouring the Alps, then Europe (sell sell sell all your Euros, now!). It will then gradually expand and eat Wall Street (wait! it has happened already!). The world will come to an end before they can fix this machine.

Idle until spring!?!?? (1)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138391)

idleispants!!!!!!

Radioactive Man (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25138751)

Well, the world is safe again... But... for how long?

Taking Longer (1)

CaptScarlet22 (585291) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138767)

I bet the LHC won't be fully operational until 2012. I'd say around December.

Delayed until 2012 (1)

walruz (851125) | more than 5 years ago | (#25138783)

I bet there'll be more delays and it will be fully functional on Dec 21, 2012.. By that time, i'll have enough canned food, bottles of fresh water and a little boat, sailing in the south atlantic :D
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