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OS X On the MSI Wind

timothy posted more than 6 years ago | from the os-x-doesn't-make-it-a-mac dept.

OS X 219

Ruler of Planets writes "PlanetX64 has just published an article on loading OS X on an MSI Wind, effectively creating a machine that is smaller and lighter than a Macbook Air. The exercise was done solely for academic purposes and doing so voids all kinds of warranties, but hey, now you can slip a Mac into a lab coat pocket!"

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Done in August with Video (5, Interesting)

BoldAC (735721) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191837)

I read and saw the videos about triple booting with MSI wind [tech-recipes.com] back in August. He's got a video there and a bunch of hard to grab OS X drivers. If you are going to purchase a MSI wind, please note the issues with the non synaptics trackpads in some circumstances.

You will need an extra stick of RAM, DVD drive, and WLAN card as well. This hack will get you up to OS X 10.5.4. The hackint0sh community is usually a point release or two behind.

The planetx64 version also has problems with the internal mic, the microphone port and the headset port.

Re:Done in August with Video (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25191923)

everybody noes real men triple boot debian, gentoo and Freebsd (with kde2 patched onto it, ofc) none of this os x crap, i mean if it 'just works' then how are you going to sword fight all day?

Re:Done in August with Video (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25192167)

The hackint0sh community is usually a point release or two behind.

my hackintosh has been running 10.5.5 since the day it was released, ran 10.5.4 from the day that came out and so on. not sure where you get your info from, but it's wrong

Re:Done in August with Video (2, Informative)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192467)

congratulations, you're running with a vanilla kernal. Not all of us have that option, and for anyone who is running a hacked version to work on their AMD, for example, the hackintosh community is one or two points behind. Unless you'd like to invite us to that mythical community of faeries and magic where OSX works magically on all computers, even those that can't run a vanilla kernal.

Looks like the site is being hosted on an MSI Wind (0, Redundant)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191867)

Its slashdotted already

Re:Looks like the site is being hosted on an MSI W (5, Interesting)

BoldAC (735721) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191883)

I've got some of the pages in cache.

      1. Connect your external USB dvd drive to the MSI wind while the computer is off.
      2. Turn on the dvd drive and eject the tray. Place the MSI Leopard disk in the drive and close the tray.
      3. Turn on the MSI wind. After the MSI logo screen, you will be prompted for 5 seconds at the darwin screen. Just tap the space bar within the 5 seconds provided in order to boot from the disk. You will see the installation commence.
      4. The process will take around 5 minutes before you get to the main OSX installation GUI screen. On your way there, you will see a blue screen with the spinning multicolored beach ball as your mouse representation.
      5. Shortly thereafter you will arrive at the language selection screen. Select English and click next.
      6. You will arrive at the Welcome screen for the install. At this point you need to stop and blow away your drive partitions to start fresh. Drag your mouse to the top edge of the screen, and click on âoeUtilitiesâ.
      7. Then go down and select âoeDisk Utilityâ.
      8. Click on your main drive in the left side.
      9. Select âoePartitionâ on the right side.
    10. In âoeVolume Schemeâ, select âoe1 partitionâ.
    11. Assign your disk a name. Then Click on âoeApplyâ. It will take a few seconds to process the disk.
    12. Click on âoeQuit Disk Utilityâ from the menu.
    13. It will take you back to the main installer âoeWelcomeâ page. Click on âoeContinueâ.
    14. Click to accept the licensing agreement.
    15. Select your drive destination which you just partitioned.
    16. Very Important to STOP on the next screen titled âoeInstall Summaryâ. In the lower left hand corner there is a âoeCustomizeâ button. Click it.
    17. Go into Patches, then Kernel, and Uncheck it.
    18. Click on done, and you will be taken back to the âoeInstall Summaryâ page and click on âoeInstallâ.
    19. Sit back and have a cup of coffee while the machine goes thru the whole install process. Don't be alarmed if it loooks like no activity is going on. If you don't see the dvd drive light going, you will notice the HD light on the MSI blinking while installation happens in the background.
    20. Once it is finished and reboots, unplug the dvd usb cable.
    21. This time when the âoeDarwinâ boot screen comes up, don't click space bar. The grey Apple logo screen should come up upon booting. If all went well, core animation and sound were installed, and you should see the welcome intro movie playing smoothly. That's it, you are home free.

Re:Looks like the site is being hosted on an MSI W (4, Informative)

BoldAC (735721) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191893)

Pros

Power management/Sleep work normally for the most part. The only difference from actual Apple hardware, is that you need to tap the power button to wake from sleep, as opposed to screen lid, mouse movement or space tap. Fans work properly, same as on a macbook. They kick in on heavy CPU usage and high temps. However, I must say, the device keeps very cool most of the time. Other pluses include Portability & Price. The 6 cell battery gets you around 5 hours of usage.

Working perfectly:

        * Core image
        * Core animation
        * Core audio
        * Video Out & Graphics in general
        * Wired Ethernet
        * Webcam
        * Internal Speakers
        * USB
        * SD Card Slot
        * Sleep
        * Bluetooth
        * Wifi
        * TouchPad
        * Function Keys

Cons

Not able do perform Major OS point upgrades. There is no support for this. Warranty becomes Void. You are totally on your own. Web Cam, Wifi & Bluetooth, need to be activated via the function keys before the OS will see them (very PC like). The trackpad feels a little clunky, however I prefer a small mouse (wired or bluetooth). If you try to save a few dollars by going with the 3 cell battery, you will only get 2 hours of usage.

Not working:

        * Internal Microphone
        * Microphone port
        * Headset port

What I fail to see... (0, Troll)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192455)

... is the comparison (in the submission) between this and the MacBook Air. The actual dimensions of the beast in question appear to be similar to or slightly larger than the current 10" MacBook being offered. The submission mentions putting it in his lab-coat pocket, which seems out of the question unless you get your lab-coats made by the local tent-maker.

This would be a really useful exercise, however, if it could be applied to the real sub-notebook class of machine.

WTF? 10" Macbook? (1)

Wooky_linuxer (685371) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192627)

10" Macbook? Are you Marty McFly by any chance?

Re:What I fail to see... (1)

vipw (228) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192655)

Which 10" MacBook are you referring to?

Re:Looks like the site is being hosted on an MSI W (2, Informative)

pavs.ma (1124133) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191981)

OK posting this link second time, previous link is deleted? At the bottom of the page there is a video of MSI wind with OSX in action even though the URL/subject of the article says acer aspire One. http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2008/09/27/30-cool-acer-aspire-one-hacks/ [linuxhaxor.net]

Every time I read an article like this (2, Interesting)

jacquesm (154384) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191871)

I wonder what the world would look like if Apple would sell software as well. I know they'd get a worse reputation because people would blame the OS for hardware / driver issues but it would certainly be neat to use OS/X on hardware other than that sold by Apple.

They would not have the margins they currently do, but it is very well possible that they'd take huge marketshare from microsoft.

And it would mean an instant end to the microsoft tax on new hardware.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (3, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191913)

I wonder what the world would look like if Apple would sell software as well.

Apple will never sell software sans hardware. They've got a control obsession. Their greatest strength & weakness as a company.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1, Funny)

tux0r (604835) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192195)

simultaneously the source of their greatest strength and greatest weakness

I have the sudden urge to say "Ergo, vis-a-vis, concordantly... I have no idea what I'm talking about."

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

Hal_Porter (817932) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192393)

The cliches are coming, thick and fast.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25192215)

And there's a reason they want to control the hardware, or at the very least sell/produce the hardware. People forget that years ago Apple tried the whole "lets sell an OS!" thing, and allowed Mac clones to be made.

The clones almost killed Apple. And that was one of the first things Jobs made away with when he returned.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (3, Insightful)

Uberbah (647458) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192297)

No, WATB, they have an obsession with not going out of business. They don't have an OS monopoly and can't lock in Dell or HP into selling OS X on their machines. They can't make the $$$ on volume like Microsoft can, so they'd have to charge much more money for their operating systems - inviting rampant piracy.

Stop drinking the anti-Apple Kool Aid.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192491)

Except... hackintosh-ing invites rampant piracy. So does selling your os, in general. Look to the linux community - very little piracy going on there...

Re:Every time I read an article like this (4, Insightful)

Uberbah (647458) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192587)

Except... hackintosh-ing invites rampant piracy.

No, because getting OS X to run on a vanilla PC has some technical hurdles, and the number of pirates goes down with each hoop that needs to be jumped through. If Apple releases a version of Leopard that installs (if not runs) on PC's without trouble, goodnight Shirley.

One thing that Apple does actually do to encourage piracy is the fact that they don't have a mid to low end tower. I'm considering doing a Hackintosh after Apple adds ZFS support, as I want a tower with four terabyte hard drives but want my total cost to be less than $1000, not start out at $2800 (base Mac Pro) before I even add the drives.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192487)

Apple will never sell software sans hardware.

Just wait, one day they'll start giving it away. Everyone will use OSX. Then Steve (who will reveal himself to be a highlander) will then use the internal kill switch to eliminate the entire population of computer using highlanders. And the few other people brave enough to use OSX for anything other than iMovie.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

gazita123 (589586) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191921)

They would not have the margins they currently do, but it is very well possible that they'd take huge marketshare from microsoft.

And it would mean an instant end to the microsoft tax on new hardware.

Their margins would be arguably higher, as selling software carries little additional cost versus hardware sales. Each additional unit is more-or-less pure profit.

I'm not convinced that it would be an instant end to the microsoft tax, but at least it would be another alternative. Neither option is free.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25191987)

Their margins would be arguably higher, as selling software carries little additional cost versus hardware sales. Each additional unit is more-or-less pure profit.

Except for that whole "support" issue that they'd have to cover for 90 days or 1 year (by law depending on where you live). And when you have such "minor" issues as "Not working: Internal Microphone, Microphone port, Headset port" on a system that most people generally consider to "work well" then you're going to be doing a whole lot of support. Sure, these can be fixed, but opening the floodgates to the masses will probably cost Apple a lot of whatever those higher margins are.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192149)

And what would force Apple to support OS X on the MSI wind and all other x86 hardware in the world just because they sold the OS?

Pretty shitty country you live in if companies can be forced to support whatever hardware you happen to have. I'd like to live in that country if they same would be true for software though: "So, I've bought warhammer and I want to play it on my leenucks machine."

Also in the world I live the hardware vendors is responsible for drivers, not the OS vendors. If MSI wants OS X on the machine they'd better get drivers for the sound part as well.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

Per Wigren (5315) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192199)

I don't know of any such countries, but it's common to have laws that require companies to actually support the hardware they claim to support and that's a big difference. Not doing so is false marketing/fraud.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (2, Interesting)

Uberbah (647458) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192315)

Good luck competing against Windows if you can't run on the same hardware. Not to mention the time wasted and customer dissatisfaction when a customer buy's OS X for their new Vaio only to find out it isn't supported.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (3, Insightful)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192133)

Their margins would be arguably higher, as selling software carries little additional cost versus hardware sales. Each additional unit is more-or-less pure profit.

I'm not convinced that it would be an instant end to the microsoft tax, but at least it would be another alternative. Neither option is free.

Two points:

1) revenue would take a big hit if people switches from Apple branded hw to others
2) shipping fewer units would mean higher unit costs and lower margins on those products
3) support costs would go up as Apple would have to ensure it worked on a variety oh hardware combos with products they currently do not support but are cmmon such as WiFi cards from various manufacturers, or
4) they cut a deal with say Dell and HP but then they will need to significantly drop prices and stop update the build everytime an internal component changes

Re:Every time I read an article like this (3, Interesting)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192229)

revenue would take a big hit if people switches from Apple branded hw to others

Why do you have so little confidence in Apple's hardware?

If, as we are often told, Apple's hardware is so much better, then there should not be a "big hit" from people switching.

I actually think it may be the other way 'round. Most of the people I see using "Macs in public" would still buy the Apple product even if it came with Windows only.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (0, Troll)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192535)

I actually think it may be the other way 'round. Most of the people I see using "Macs in public" would still buy the Apple product even if it came with Windows only.

I like to think you might be right, but I suspect not. If an Apple box came with Windows installed, it would probably suck. I don't normally like to take this position, since I'm not keen on fanboyism, but I've had a bad run today with MS idiocies. :-) But I take your point: although desktop systems don't matter so much (my "heavy horse" linux box is pretty much out of sight under my desk) the portable offerings from Apple do have an appeal of their own from an aesthetic point of view.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (2, Interesting)

davester666 (731373) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192191)

Yes, the percentage margin could be higher, particularly if they go more direct (as in, online download & activation).

But there is no real way Apple could reinvent themselves as a software-only company [as they tried the sell-hardware & license OS to competitors before and got their asses handed to them before they stopped it].

Problems include:
-price for both OEM and retail set by Microsoft. America is cheap. See Walmart & Dell (well, Dell in the past, now they are kinda bloated). If customers Apple is going after won't spend the extra couple hundred bucks to go from the advertised 'cheap' model to Apple's baseline, they aren't going to drop an extra couple hundred bucks just to use MacOS X over Vista. And since Apple doesn't have an existing install-base created by being a monopolist, trying to sell MacOS X at MS price levels would give them nowhere near the amount of profit that they need for advancing the OS. Apple makes between say 150 - over 1000 PROFIT on each machine they sell. To make the same amount of money from retail and OEM sales, their market share would have go from 5% to 25% (or higher), overnight, just to stay even.
-supporting MacOS X on all kinds of machines becomes a much more significant drain on tech support. Again, people are cheap, and expect cheap tech support. And it has to be cheap and/or require NO support for the general public to pay for MacOS X instead of Vista. Particularly if they pay more for MacOS X over Vista, people will expect it to work better and with fewer problems than Vista. That certainly is an impossible goal for Apple. Just look at Microsoft with Vista. They have boatloads of experience supporting all the wacky hardware out there, loads of influence with ALL vendors to get everyone to create new drivers on a dime, and still MS has loads of driver problems. Apple will have more..
-speaking of drivers, again, Apple has no chance. There are a crazy amount of configurations out there, plenty of which have choices that aren't even listed in spec lists. So, customers can't just buy a machine, then load MacOS X on it and expect it to work (well, they would expect it to work, but it probably wouldn't). So, it would become more like how Linux is being installed now by the major vendors (more or less). Specific configurations are listed as being sold either with Linux or Vista, but the majority is sold only with Vista (or XP). And people expect all their devices to work (both the ones they own and new ones). But most manufacturers aren't willing (or can't afford) to fund a second or third (if they are doing linux) parallel development streams until they see significant penetration of MacOS X (so it's a chicken & egg thing, just look at how long it's taken Linux to start bootstrapping it's drivers).
-Apple's shareholders would raze Apple's campus. It's been said, the fastest way to change Apple from being a billion-dollar company to a million-dollar company is for it to switch to being software only (even keeping iPods, etc, only dropping computer hardware). Sure, Apple's got billion's in the bank, so they would still be able to keep funding everything for years, but you can kiss the stock price goodbye.

It winds up just being "customers pick from a more limited selection of models if they want MacOS X (because these models have been tested to work properly with MacOS X and have drivers for all their components), and the machines costs more (because Apple needs to charge more than MS for the OS license)". Customer's would be able to buy slightly cheaper systems than they do now from Apple, and have a wider variety of systems than they do now from Apple, but have more problems than they do now from Apple.

And finally, consider Microsoft as well. Apple's business plan would be change from successfully competing in the computer systems market by clearly differentiating themselves from everybody else, to competing head-on with Microsoft, for Microsoft's existing customers (namely OEM sales). The day after Apple announces this plan, Microsoft suddenly finds it difficult to continue producing MS Office (which is a big deal for the non-slashdot crowd) [hell, they're already crippling corporate use of Office for MacOS X by removing VB scripting from Office 2008]. I would bet Vista's OEM and Retail price both become more competitive as well, which MS can afford because of their Office suite and volume OEM sales, which Apple couldn't realistically match (because all they have to fall back on is the wad of cash in the bank).

I just wish Apple came out with an iMac-class machine perhaps with a PCI-E slot or two, and with desktop components instead of laptop components, but without the screen welded on (or even included). But I recognize that Apple is unlikely to ever do it, because it kills the iMac line (because people would just buy this minitower and use their existing monitor, or a cheap display from somebody else), while reducing Apple's revenues (because Apple wouldn't get the 30% margin on the crappy LCD screens they include with the iMacs).

Re:Every time I read an article like this (4, Insightful)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191933)

And how, exactly, would this change "the world"? Just because you have your head so far up Steve Jobs's arse that you can see the light doesn't mean the world in any way revolves around Apple's business plans. It's just you.

And re "the microsoft tax on new hardware": it doesn't exist. You can buy MSI Wind without Windows. You can buy whichever component you want without giving a cent to Microsoft. Perhaps you're confusing it with the Apple tax, the extra money you have to pay for an Apple approved version of graphics cards and some sound cards.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (4, Insightful)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192189)

If I had my 10 mod points I would have wanted to give you them all.

Wtf is up with the special mac graphic cards for real macs when hacks run BIOS cards? If the EFI connection in the OS is so loose can't they somehow make it possible to just use regular video cards? Or just skip EFI totally since it's not like they have released lots of EFI cards anyway and the world don't seem to move on to EFI just yet anyway.

Geforce 8800 GT 512MB Mac Pro upgrade kit: $279.00

Same card for a PC on newegg: $110.99

(Not to forget it's a shitty card anyway compared to some other options, but those aren't options even on a hack since all cards isn't supported anyway. Though I guess it can't be hard for Apple to get support for HD3000- and HD4000-series if they wanted to as well.)

Re:Every time I read an article like this (2, Insightful)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192207)

... Or just sell they card at market price and not at some remarkable markup.

Where does this hate come from? (3, Insightful)

sgant (178166) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192261)

We're talking about computers here. This isn't a religion. This isn't anything life altering or anything like that. These are computers.

Where does the "Just because you have your head so far up Steve Jobs's arse" vitriol come from?

Come on...

Re:Where does this hate come from? (2, Insightful)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192483)

Exactly. Which is why I flame these people who see life-changing circumstances in Apple's schemes, and complain about "Windows tax" as if their own idol wasn't the biggest of all offenders. I wish the fanboy idiots could just shut up and leave the discussion to someone else. Especially when what they have to say isn't even remotely true.

Re:Where does this hate come from? (2, Funny)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192497)

Where does the "Just because you have your head so far up Steve Jobs's arse" vitriol come from?

Because it is fun teasing fanatics - religious or not, they're still a bunch of crazies.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

powerspike (729889) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191945)

they started selling the software standalone, they might not have the same profit margins, but i'm quite sure that'd be total oblitirated by the amount of software they'd sell. well it wouldn't be a microsoft tax anymore, it'd be a choice inbetween apple tax, and microsoft tax, you'd get to chose your poison so to speak. but i can see the day, where either apple don't win a court case stoping people making compatible hardware (ie os installs right on it) or they get some type of antitrust and are forced to remove the hardware restrictions on their software, it's not a matter of if, but when...

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192263)

I think what we're really saying here is that there is need in the marketplace for another manufacturer of a professional, commercial operating system, that is well-funded and well made.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192513)

but i'm quite sure that'd be total oblitirated by the amount of software they'd sell.

... yes, because everyone who uses windows would jump ship... You know there are still very few games, and not very much business software that is made to run on OSX. Sure, some of the big ones work - but what about all the custom applications? OSX might see some adoption if it was sold separately, but it is so foreign to the average windows user that they'd wait until their next new PC to switch. And if they didn't like it, they wouldn't stay with it.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192603)

Much as some might welcome this (maybe even myself), I can see why Apple might want to steer clear of it, as if "there be dragons". Just think of the baggage of device drivers they would have to conjure up. Because you can bet the hardware manufacturers (with, of course, honourable exceptions) will mostly go with the flow and code only for the perceived majority.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (4, Insightful)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191995)

I thought about that a while back.

Suppose they did it this way...

1. published a list of exactly what hardware they supported, ie. a restricted driver model not the windows model of anybody can create anything they want and sell it for windows.
2. allowed OEMs to choose that supported hardware and display a "Apple Ready" sticker
3. allowed home builder to choose from that list and be "Apple Ready"
4. then anybody could buy and install Apple OS - if during boot up it detected unsupported hardare it would either refuse to install or warn the user that some hardware would not be support

I would expect them to release a free tool that would allow you to confirm if your platform was supported.

If this was done then OEMs could sell apple OS PCs, you'd see PC with "ready for windows" and "apple ready" label you'd know you could dual boot.

But let's face it, this is pure fantasy. Apple restrict the OS because they want money from the HW and they want to enforce a beautiful uniform image for their equipment. They very last thing they was is an ugly square chinese box proclaiming to be an apple.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (2, Insightful)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192233)

Except knowing Apple they'd ask for an insane price for the benefits of having that sticker on your box or part of the profit since soooo many mac users would buy their cards, of which the OEM would say fuck that and things would remain as they is. =P

For half the price and same specs I'd for sure take the chinese box :)

Re:Every time I read an article like this (3, Interesting)

KGIII (973947) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192471)

I dunno. I bought a Macbook Air just for the hardware alone. It boots to Windows. I don't use their OS but I really REALLY like the laptop. I'd have considered a netbook but I really wanted something with a full size keyboard and screen as well as plenty of power.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192333)

A more practicable (but only slightly more likely situation) would be to allow OEMs to license the ability to install Mac OS X for hardware which doesn't compete w/ hardware made by Apple ---consider he following form-factors which Apple doesn't address:

  - netbook / smaller than MacBook Air machines
  - slate-style pen computers
  - convertible pen computer laptops
  - full desktop replacement laptops
  - mid-size tower w/ just one or two slots
  - larger than 1U rack server

William
(who really does need to find the time to install Mac OS X 10.5 on his Fujitsu Stylistic)

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

domatic (1128127) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192615)

The problem with that is Apple will sometimes decide to address a market they weren't addressing before. When doing so, I'd fully expect them to quit issuing licenses to third-parties for any now covered categories assuming they can bring themselves to do any form of third party licensing.

Also, the larger models of the MacBook Pro can serve as Desktop Replacements IMHO. I have one that is issued to me at work and it is a throughly ridiculous piece of equipment though I like it's ability to store all of the restore images I'm carrying around.

Apple users are safe (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192105)

I suggest you act like/simulate that you are a top of line Mac Pro workstation owner and shopping for a new GPU (graphics card).

They run Intel right? Industry standard port too... Check how many GPU choices you have and their prices, support. Also simulate that you bought the device and have low FPS and look to ATI/NVIDIA support site. Don't waste so much time on that since they will eventually send you to Apple.

Sound is similar too...

This is a Wintel puppet IT scene and even having unheard (for Apple after '95) market share explosion doesn't matter. I also wonder what would happen if I installed a Realtek el cheapo NIC to this Quad G5 instead of Broadcom Apple installed. On P4 PC, it had 20% performance hit. I bought it because it had Windows driver and support. As Realtek geniuses can't download free XCode and code for OS X, we are saved.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

Weedlekin (836313) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192123)

"I wonder what the world would look like if Apple would sell software as well."

Apple sell plenty of software. What they don't sell is their OS for use with generic hardware, but they sell plenty of other stuff, some of which runs on platforms other than OS X.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192289)

Apple sell plenty of software...but they sell plenty of other stuff, some of which runs on platforms other than OS X.

You could have provided a list.

I keep hoping that they'll offer Logic for Windows.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192523)

Uhhh... iTunes? Safari? Sure... it is only two applications. But they're revolutionary. And really, if you believe everything that apple tells you, you don't need much else. iLife has everything you'd ever need... according to them.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

Weedlekin (836313) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192577)

Apple sell plenty of software...but they sell plenty of other stuff, some of which runs on platforms other than OS X.

You could have provided a list.

I keep hoping that they'll offer Logic for Windows.

"You could have provided a list."

A list of Apple software, or Apple software that runs on platforms other than OS X?

"I keep hoping that they'll offer Logic for Windows."

I agree it would be nice if they did, especially the new Logic Studio Pack, which contains a lot more stuff than Logic Pro did, is a much nicer to use, and sells for less than 1/3 of the old price.

NB: the "pro" Apple software I know runs on non-OS X systems is the Shake movie production suite, which is also available for Linux at no less than 10 times the price of the Mac version ($4999 instead of $499)!!!. I hope the Linux suite has some capabilities that are missing from the Mac one to account for the price difference, but will apologise in advance for being far too lazy to bother checking their respective specifications.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192131)

Yeah, because the Apple tax is much better ..

(I know that's not what you mean, in any case it's easy to get a PC without paying Microsoft as well, if nothing else just buy the parts.)

No need to blame the OS for any such issues if they said what hardware is supported, if you use unsupported parts then you got no one else to blame than yourself.

I'm not sure if would be such a huge success though, I have a mac now but it's not that awesome. FreeBSD + KDE works for me if only there was some commercial apps to.
But anyway, most people want the applications they are used to, their friends use, their school and work use. And they want to be able to play games.

So gamers wouldn't want it, my sister wouldn't want it, the people who are pro open software wouldn't want it...

Personally I think an Apple-branded shuttle-like system with motherboard, PSU, case, software and eventually keyboard and mouse with a list of supported CPUs, memory, graphic cards, burners, firewire soundcards, webcams and os on would be just fine.

Apple still knows the things work, Apple can still get paid for their software, people can put in the stuff they want (some people wouldn't be happy with the case I guess but whatever.)
And as long as you buy the supported hardware things works.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25192183)

"And it would mean an instant end to the microsoft tax on new hardware."

Monopoly, look it up. It has to do with bundling deals Microsoft has not what OS will run on the hardware or Linux would have blown Windows away in recent years. It's not just the hardware vendors but software vendors involved. There still is a lot of Windows only software. Mostly because of development costs to port it to smaller Linux/Mac markets but some companies are "encouraged" to stay Windows only.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (5, Informative)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192209)

The mid 90s called. They have the answer to your question. But here's a reminder:

  • Other companies eat away at Apple's hardware sales and Apple heads towards bankruptcy
  • NeXT sells OpenStep for x86 computers. It's at least a decade ahead of everything else (except maybe BeOS). It's very expensive.

The fact you don't remember/know those two pieces of history suggest it wasn't really a stunning success.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (2, Insightful)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192247)

it would mean they would end up in the same boat as MS, and everyone would suddenly realize windows isn't evil and that MS is just a software company, not the devil.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192531)

Yes, sorry. MS is a software company... *run* by the devil. Who also happens to be the incredible hulk. Who moonlights as steve ballmer.

Re:Every time I read an article like this (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192271)

I agree. I would actually use OS/X if it didn't mean I'd have to buy new hardware (I currently have no need to upgrade my hardware).

OSX is just another OS.. (1)

peas_n_carrots (1025360) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191877)

.. that has been ported to x86. No surprise to see it running on netbooks. With enough coaxing it could run on a tiny little Samsung or Sony UMPC which weigh under 1 lb and fit into a shirt pocket.

Re:OSX is just another OS.. (4, Funny)

Shag (3737) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192057)

Yeah, or even a phone!

Oh, wait...

Any chance? (2, Interesting)

MrZaius (321037) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191899)

Any chance that this could spur something on Apple's end? The Air is a joke of a machine, with its sole (count 'em - one) expansion port, just begging for failure. It'd sure be nice to have something more Mac Mini & Eee inspired, or the holy of holies - A Fujitsu Lifebook P8240 or Gigabyte M912-inspired Mac.

On a related note, any sign of new Mac Minis?

Re:Any chance? (4, Interesting)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192137)

Macbook Air is a concept machine designed to fit a specific lifestyle and usage style.

If you have a "Mac Pro" or high end iMac running on top of line ISP line with 811.11N network installed at home and live in industrial city with top of line 3G coverage, you will buy and like Macbook Air.

See the Apple Japan store top 10 sellers if you don't believe me.

While speaking about Japan, Casio watches now even come with "atomic time sync" and they are cheaper than $200. Does it make Rolex a failure as it can only display time and date for $3000?

Re:Any chance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25192173)

No but it does make Rolex buyers every bit as pretentious as Apple customers.

Re:Any chance? (2, Interesting)

mabinogi (74033) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192401)

That entirely depends on whether or not the Rolex buyers buy Rolex because the appreciate the style and quality of the watch, or if they buy it so they can conspicuously look at the time in from of people that don't have a Rolex.

Buying something expensive doesn't make you pretentious, being pretentious makes you pretentious.

Re:Any chance? (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192265)

It's not a concept machine. Concept machines are not production items...they are prototypes/proof of concept that may later become a production item.

Re:Any chance? (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192391)

Sometimes even car companies ship cars which were supposed to be concept. They aren't ordinary and doesn't have all features same class car has but people buy them.

Here is example for you. If you compare it to a WV Golf, you will ask "which moron would buy it?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_TT [wikipedia.org]
They buy it and they are happy.

Re:Any chance? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192313)

Macbook Air is a concept machine designed to fit a specific lifestyle and usage style.

Please tell us more about this "specific lifestyle" so we can go smack the poncy fruit in the head. With love, I mean.

I'm feeling a little lower-class today because my Conde Nast care package hasn't arrived yet.

Re:Any chance? (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192369)

Macbook Air is for people with already working high end desktop and ordinary laptop having high end Apple 811N "time capsule". It costs a lot but it doesn't make buying or shipping one a crime.

Would I buy a Macbook Air? Hell no. I am not even a laptop user. Nokia E90 and Sony Ericsson P1i (which has FRACTION of Air CPU speed and RAM) is good for my usage. They cost more than laptop and I guess I am another guilty filthy rich.

Re:Any chance? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192319)

Does it make Rolex a failure as it can only display time and date for $3000?

Now that you mention it...

Re:Any chance? (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192539)

Macbook Air is a concept machine designed to fit a specific lifestyle and usage style.

Yes, the MBA is used to make you look trendy and cool, as you carry it around. It appeals to people with more money than brains. That is the MBA lifestyle.

Re:Any chance? (5, Interesting)

qubex (206736) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192363)

I'm an Apple pundit, but I jump at the opportunity to vent my hatred of the MacBookAir.

You're right: it's a disaster waiting to happen. A friend of mine has one and wrecked the USB port (the manner of failure being essentially irrelevant). Once the port died, the only way of getting information in or out of the machine was the wireless network interface. Digicams and DVDs became off-limits, as did 3G cellphone coverage. In short, it became a stylish paperweight.

Suddenly, my friend understood the concept of "robustness under single failure".

Re:Any chance? (2, Funny)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192557)

A friend of mine has one and wrecked the USB port (the manner of failure being essentially irrelevant).

Yes, no matter how many times I warned steve (our mutual friend), he was adamant - That MBA was totally hot, and totally into him. After that first night of passion, he was ready for more - but she was ruined.

So, on one hand, Steve was upset because his new GF wasn't able to put out anymore. But on the other hand, he now thinks he's god's gift to women.

slip the old.. (1, Funny)

sqldr (838964) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191939)

There's a pretty hot receptionist here. Boy would I like to "slip a mac into her lab coat pocket"

More OS X on Installations on Small Laptops (3, Informative)

wehe (135130) | more than 6 years ago | (#25191949)

This is not the first and only OS X installation attempt on a UMPC. There is a short survey of installation guides for MAC OS X on (small) laptops and notebooks [tuxmobil.org] provided by TuxMobil. There are guides for the ASUS Eee PC 701, the OQO e2, the Lenovo ThinkPad X61 and others. More submissions are welcome though.

Re:More OS X on Installations on Small Laptops (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25192419)

this is very old news, their has even been a custom installation disk for the wind for over three months now (with all of the drives installed), details here;

http://forums.msiwind.net/mac/first-post-updated-leopard-installer-disc-for-msi-wind-t857.html [msiwind.net]

Another Vibrant site (3, Informative)

argent (18001) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192001)

And here's another site using Vibrant's in-text ads, with the "disable" tab turned off.

Vibrant's in-text ads are the most annoying online advertising scheme since X-10. But bad as they are you used to be able to turn them off... now increasingly often the "disable" tab doesn't show up when you try to do that. Sites that use this technology should not be supported by Slashdot eyeballs any more than spammers should. And just because you can use adblock to hide them doesn't excuse this abusive advertising trick... ignoring it because adblock works is like ignoring spam because you have a good spam filter: we know where that leads.

Re:Another Vibrant site (1)

Fumus (1258966) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192121)

If everyone in the world had a good spam filter, and/or adblock, do you really think there would be annoying ads or spam any more? Spam and annoying ads exist because of the minuscule percent of society who actually click the links and buy stuff.

If everyone had adblock by default, I believe it would be banned by the government.

Re:Another Vibrant site (1, Interesting)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192301)

I view ads (and sometimes even click them) to support the websites I view and enjoy. Its called paying for what you use (in this case paying with your attention, however brief).

Re:Another Vibrant site (1)

Fumus (1258966) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192435)

Oh, but you are talking about buying indie games to support the producers. I'm talking about boycotting DRM-infested games which deny to run in I have some software which the publishers find questionable.

Re:Another Vibrant site (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192493)

I'm talking about boycotting DRM-infested games which deny to run in I have some software which the publishers find questionable.

Sounds more like to me your downloading the DRM-infested software from piratebay and applying a crack.

Boycotting would be not visiting the website. You're advocating visiting it with adblock.

Apple will be as displeased as usual (3, Interesting)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192005)

I can't see Apple being well pleased with this. They have a reputation to sustain! [today.com]

In any case, OS X on netbooks is old hat. You can put it on an original Eee, for instance. [uneasysilence.com]

OS X really does work fine on general hardware. If your hardware is something Apple has a driver for. So, a bit like Linux without anything like as broad a support base, then.

(I personally prefer FreeBSD, but Linux supports my laptop immaculately.)

SC Johnson will be as displeased too (4, Funny)

Dystopian Rebel (714995) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192071)

As this combination of hardware and software will inevitably be called WindeX.

The point? (2, Interesting)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192059)

Yes, as OS X Intel runs on same x86 CPU, it can work. No need to run a lab for that.

When will people understand that OS X and hardware in total gives "Apple experience" and FreeBSD 6 with WindowMaker/WINE is a way better choice for such portable?

OS X is not only a X86 OS. It becomes meaningful when hardware matches too.

I bet Sony Vaio can run OS X too but I would run Windows or Linux on that machine. It will work way better than a hacked OS.

Therotically as it runs same CPU and most of mobile chip manufacturers are common, my Nokia and Sony Ericsson smart phones can run iPhone OS rather than Symbian they come with. If someone spent needless time for such a hardcore hack and shipped, would I install? Hell no. iPhone experience is broken right when hardware part is gone and smallest hack has to be applied.

Can't they work on meaningful things such as enhancing the linux/bsd support and performance rather than making people joke with MSI?

Re:The point? (2, Insightful)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192147)

iPhone experience is broken out of the box, it's even worse when the hardware part is gone and smallest hack has to be applied.

There, fixed that sentence for you.

Re:The point? (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192171)

I am a Symbian user. I am not defending their scheme of doing things but one gotta admit it is a unique concept in smart phone and can't be copied.

It is mix of hardware and software. In fact it is hardware designed by a software company to run their software.

Re:The point? (2, Interesting)

marcuz (752480) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192309)

i dont care about apple experience. i agree that running osx on some ee pc is ridiculous but for example using it installed on some generic desktop computer does perfectly makes sense. i wouldn't trade my perfectly tuned rig for any crappy mac hw. my rig is way cheaper, more silent, easily upgradable etc... i really love my osx and i really hate apple's marketing (necessary evil).

Creating a machine? (3, Insightful)

YourExperiment (1081089) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192091)

I think I must have misunderstood the summary. In what way does installing a piece of piece of software onto something "create a machine smaller and lighter than the MacBook Air"?

Also, does installing software on a machine really void the warranty? If you reload the original OS from recovery disks before sending it back, how would the manufacturer even know?

It's strange, /. summaries are usually so clear and well-written.

Re:Creating a machine? (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192223)

  1. The MSI Wind is smaller and lighter than the MacBook air
  2. The directions involve opening the MSI up to install an extra gig of memory and replace the wifi with something OS-X can support. It's not just a change in software.
  3. You must tbe new here.

Re:Creating a machine? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25192287)

4. You must be new here.

I understand, English can be tricky at times.

Re:Creating a machine? (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192575)

'English' is much clearer than 'American', unfortunately the two are visually similar. Only upon close inspection of the meaning does the difference become clear. Just be happy that not all the summaries are written in this strange, foreign tongue.

Re:Creating a machine? (2, Informative)

diesel66 (254283) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192269)

Opening the case to swap out the wifi card is what voids the warranty.

I agree that slashdot summaries are occasionally sub-optimal, but this is usually solved by RTFA. :)

No, I am not new here.

They really seem pointless (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25192129)

My partner bought us a Hackintosh thinking he was saving money. The guy building them claimed it blew away most Macs. He was told it was a 3.2 quad core, turned out to be a 2.6 dual core with a tiny hard drive. The machine was half the speed of an 18 month old dual core 2.0 iMac we have. I told him it was junk and he returned it. We ended up with a Mac Pro which IS fast. Unfortunately I've found Leopard to be a really unstable OS. Sad because it has lots of nice features it's just a real mess. Mac Pros are stunning pieces of equipment and well worth the money. I'd wait for the next OS if you can though. Kind of like Windows in that way they released a bloody beta. I've always found Hackintochs to be a lot slower than people will admit. For hardware don't even waste the money on iMacs go straight for the Mac Pros. They look and feel the way computers should and the features are exceptional. The OS is holding them back but that should get fixed next year well before the next Windows release.

Re:They really seem pointless (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25192273)

Your partner? So you like another man's poop on your dick, huh?

Fruity Users?! Duh... (0, Troll)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192581)

... Isn't that a given, when talking about mac users?

Here we go again (3, Funny)

paiute (550198) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192221)

"OMG, I would totally buy OSX in a second and run it on my box. Why doesn't Apple become a software company? Everyone would drop MS in a second. Apple would make a lot of money on volume."

etc
etc

This is why few boards of directors come to Slashdot looking for their next CEO.

fmuyck?! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25192225)

SLING you can baalots. You could ass of them all, and some Of the future. The hand

MAC OS for Virtualization? (4, Interesting)

Average (648) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192243)

My thought is that, just maybe, Apple should consider a license of Mac OS for Virtualizations. Pick one platform... VMWare, xVM, whatever.

This would solve the "but there are a billion network cards and a billion video cards out there" argument. Inside the VM, there is only the one configuration.

Sure, it wouldn't be the world's speediest thing. But, it would get a lot of people thinking about Mac OS part-time. Some of us Linux people who have a Windows window in the corner (when absolutely necessary) would ditch it most of the time for a legit copy of Mac. If I had to run a shrink-wrap app, I'd buy the Mac version if it ran well. I'd also be more willing to develop and test for Mac.

Too cannibalistic of their hardware sales, though?

MSI wind warranty (1)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192343)

doing so voids all kinds of warranties

I am not very familiar with the MSI Wind myself, but it sounds to me like these guy have may just broken some wind?

Re:MSI wind warranty (1)

PC and Sony Fanboy (1248258) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192619)

It is the wind - as a clock is wound, this computer winds up. Kinda like a little toy for big kids. Calling it the wind (as the wind blows) would be asking for detrimental name calling.

Living in the past (1)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 6 years ago | (#25192345)

but hey, now you can slip a Mac into a lab coat pocket!

You're living in the past. Modern day lab coats can handle atleast 2 big macs, no problems (no void of warranty, either).

(The experiments conducted to verify these results were done for purely academic purposes, of course).

coat pocket? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25192383)

> but hey, now you can slip a Mac into a lab coat pocket!

Now? There's been a Mac that fits in a pocket for over a year now.

It's called 'iPod Touch' (or iPhone)

envelope? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 6 years ago | (#25192671)

"...now you can slip a Mac into a lab coat pocket!"

How about an envelope?

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