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HD Wii By 2011?

Soulskill posted about 6 years ago | from the wiisearch-and-development dept.

Wii 245

1Up noticed an interesting post up at WhatTheyPlay which put together some public information with more from private sources suggesting that the next version of the Wii console is planned for 2011. Quoting: "Unlike previous console transitions from Nintendo, the new system will be presented as a true successor to the Wii, and is being dubbed by those that have seen the presentation as 'Wii HD.' There is no indication if this will be its eventual name, but the nature of the transition has been characterized as similar to 'the shift from Game Boy to Game Boy Advance,' where familiar, key elements were left intact while the core hardware was made more powerful. It is expected by all those that we have spoken to on the subject that the new device will retain the Wii name in part."

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Let me guess... (4, Funny)

Malevolyn (776946) | about 6 years ago | (#25214535)

The HDii? Hurr hurr.

Re:Let me guess... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25214595)

More likely the Nii, this is a Japanese company we're talking about.

Re:Let me guess... (3, Informative)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25214651)

I like that one too, but "wii" isn't a japanese word. In fact, that's not even sound that's native to the language. At least, that's what I heard when it was announced. The last time I was in japan was when the DS was launching, does anyone know if they pronounce it the same over there? I don't know if that would be a difficult sound for them. I would guess they actually say "uii" or something that uses the U sound instead of the W.

If you're wondering, to express happiness, the japanese do not say "wee!" they say "Yatta!"

Re:Let me guess... (2, Informative)

pizzach (1011925) | about 6 years ago | (#25215103)

Wii is what you get after two layers of lossy translation between character sets.
English -> Katakana -> Romanization of katakana
We -> (wa)(i[small])(-) -> Wii

The Japanese do pronounce it "Wii". It's written that way because it's how the japanese people pronounce "we" and most closely fits how they think. It's not pronounced "Uii" because that would be a 3 syllable word instead of 2. Go study the Hepburn romanization system if you don't believe me.

DS can be pronounced correctly in Japanese. It requires a special letter combination like "wi" does. The only people who might have a problem with it are old people.

Re:Let me guess... (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 6 years ago | (#25215333)

Since it's a Nintendo product isn't whatever way the Japanese people say it the "right" way and the english way the wrong one? =P

That does not compute from the way the words come from, but on the other side when it comes to games and all they seem to have a huge focus on the japanese market, so ..

Re:Let me guess... (1)

master5o1 (1068594) | about 6 years ago | (#25216441)

The only people who might have a problem with it are old people.

Last I heard Japan had an ageing population. Does that mean that most Japanese find it hard to pronounce?

Re:Let me guess... (1)

MiharuSenaKanaka (1080135) | about 6 years ago | (#25215159)

I don't think it was meant to even sound like a Japanese word to the non-japanese-speaking public.

From what I can tell, the main point of the name "Wii" (according to the commercials Nintendo cranks out on occasion, anyway) is to emphasize that playing games with the console is not just an "I" thing -- it's also a "we" thing, that you can get a lot of fun out of playing with other people. Not the same context as "yatta!" would be used, as far as I know.

Though, if they named it the "Nii" I for one would be highly amused as it is a shortened, "cutesy" version of one of the words for older brother.

Re:Let me guess... (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 6 years ago | (#25215309)

DS ritu!

Re:Let me guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25216473)

Long ago, there was a character for wi (at least, it was romanized that way). But it dissapeared after WWII, along with a couple others, if I am not misstaken.

wi -> ã

See what I did there (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25214613)

WiiD! Ha! Psychonauts would look awesome.

"These hands are HUGE...they can touch anything but themselves... oh wait.."

Re:Let me guess... (2, Funny)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25214621)

As of today, it is now standard operating procedure that the first post gets modded as troll.

Back on topic, as much as I liked the name "revolution" (the name before "wii"), it's probably a good thing they didn't go with that. It still would have sold the same, they still would have wanted to capitalize on that by keeping the name on their next one, and you can't serialize that. The next revolution? Nintendo super revolution? Second generation revolution?

My money is on "Evewiione." "Wii" was supposed to be some crap about "we" like a community, so this would top that.

Re:Let me guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25214757)

I say 'Wii Revolution'. Obviously, they were holding that name in reserve for something.

In reference to a comment made earlier about 'Wii' not being a natural? Japanese word/sound, That's true; but because of the popularity of Western culture over there (if they want to appear cool, they use 'borrow words', such as 'buruu', rather than 'aoi') it's not uncommon to have foreign sounds. There is a specific way to kana-rize 'wii' something like a normal katakana 'u', followed by a small (modifying) katakana 'i' and the either a normal katakana 'i', or an extending dash*, I think.

*I'd put the actual Japanese text, but it doesn't display here

Re:Let me guess... (1)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25214773)

To clarify the AC's post, I asked that in a different post. Also Aoi means blue, the japanese pronunciation of which is more like "buruu" because of a lack of an L sound.

Mostly though, I wanted to point out that I was right on the money about the "uii"!!! WOOO!

Wii revolution though doesn't "sound like" a different product. That's the one thing I could see about the revolution making a comeback. If I were to see "Wii revolution" I would think its a redesign of the wii, but still basically the same thing, like the DS lite. I'd probably think "Oh, a wii that has a hard drive or something. Don't need that!"

Re:Let me guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25215077)

Actually, I was envisioning the marketing campaign (which, if you've read/seen a sufficient number of Japanese marketing campaigns can be rather painful).

I can see it now; the bright flashing symbols and canned cheering and applause as a brightly grinning announcer exclaims, with the appropriate backing of drums and gongs, "Wii (have a) Revolution!"

More seriously, I doubt it's of any use to try to predict the name this time; after all, who saw a name like the 'Wii' coming? 'Gambecube', yes, 'D(ual) S(creen)', yes, 'GameBoy', yes. 'Wii'? Talk about out from left field.

Re:Let me guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25215691)

more like "buruu" because of a lack of an L sound.

There's also the lack of an r sound, the actual sound made when you see either of those in a japanese word is somewhere between an r, an l, and a d.

Brain Age: Learn how to say "blue"! (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25215693)

Also Aoi means blue, the japanese pronunciation of which is more like "buruu" because of a lack of an L sound.

That must explain my failure to get the color/name test to recognize my voice in the Brain Age demo for Nintendo DS.

Re:Let me guess... (1)

kubrick (27291) | about 6 years ago | (#25215303)

'Wiivolution', surely.

Re:Let me guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25216331)

I say 'Wii Revolution'. Obviously, they were holding that name in reserve for something.

Come on. Everybody knows the Wii Revolution will be its third incarnation. We'll get Wii Reloaded first (WiiLoaded).

/lame

Re:Let me guess... (2, Insightful)

ShakaUVM (157947) | about 6 years ago | (#25215725)

My vote is for the Nintendo "About Fucking Time".

Seriously, the Wii is only good for party games; the graphics are so ugly that I can't bring myself to buy anything for it that isn't for 4 people.

Re:Let me guess... (2, Interesting)

Solra Bizna (716281) | about 6 years ago | (#25216159)

Personally, I find 480p quite sufficient, and I have a screen almost as big diagonally as I am tall.

Then again, I play Unreal at 320x240 on a system with a Radeon 9800, on purpose. So, maybe I'm just insane.

-:sigma.SB

Don't forget (1)

wernox1987 (1362105) | about 6 years ago | (#25216459)

It needs in game voice chat too....Without voice chat, there is no Wii, just Mii

The "Wii Wii" (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25214709)

I vote for the "Wii Squared", which will be better known as the "Wii Wii".

You have to think in other terms. (1)

TuringTest (533084) | about 6 years ago | (#25215239)

The name for the second Wii?

Yuu.

Re:Let me guess... (2, Funny)

Neeth (887729) | about 6 years ago | (#25215675)

Easy one. The WiiII it will be.

Dear Nintendo (4, Insightful)

Yvan256 (722131) | about 6 years ago | (#25214543)

As long as you have good Zelda and Metroid games (even though the last ones have been made by Retro Studios) to go with your new console, I'll buy it.

Dear Nintendo (1)

aussie_a (778472) | about 6 years ago | (#25215049)

As long as you fail to have turn-based RPGs (like FFVII) that are actually good, Microsoft or Sony will continue to get my money.

Re:Dear Nintendo (1)

skam240 (789197) | about 6 years ago | (#25215287)

Final Fantasy? Blech. Definitely not anything I'm interested in. Give me a good Bungie RPG over overly linear, menu driven nonsense anyday. Of course that still means I need to be playing non-Nintendo systems. Especially when one considers that the latest Paper Mario was bullshit in regards to satisfying fans of the series. Maybe I've missed something but Nintendo doesn't seem to be a very good place for RPG players right now.

Re:Dear Nintendo (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25215261)

As long as Nintendo continues to rehash the same Mario, Zelda and Metroid crap, I'll stay far away. They need to create something new, but I suppose that it's beyond their limited imaginations.

Re:Dear Nintendo (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 6 years ago | (#25216335)

Retro studios is 100% owned by Nintendo.

Storage? (3, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 6 years ago | (#25214575)

Is this version going to come with a hard drive standard?
I can't imagine their 'next' generation console will get left behind in the console download race.

Re:Storage? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25214669)

From TFA:
High definition visuals are assured, as is a greater emphasis on digitally distributed and backwardly compatible content, indicating that the new system will feature some form of local storage medium such as a hard drive or large flash memory solution.

Re:Storage? (5, Insightful)

beef3k (551086) | about 6 years ago | (#25215745)

and in 2011 chances are that it'll be a dirt cheap 64 or 128 gig Flash SSD

Re:Storage? (4, Informative)

_xeno_ (155264) | about 6 years ago | (#25214863)

On that note, it'd be great if Nintendo would fix up their save-game system.

I mean, seriously, save slots? Still? Sure, it made sense when using carts where there was a limited space tied to the cart. It kinda stopped making sense when you had memory cards and most certainly stopped making sense when the console has built-in storage.

I'm assuming it's some Nintendo requirement because even third-party games will have a limited number of save slots stored on the Wii. Based on the memory browser, it looks like Wii games are allowed to say "I need this much space for saving" and then get a single chunk of space, which then gets divided into save slots. Which is ridiculous.

While they're at it, poach the whole user profile thing that Sony has on the PS3. You can create multiple "users" on the console, and each "user" gets their own collection of save games. It's very nice to be able to share a console without worrying about accidentally overwriting someone else's save. I'd imagine the Xbox 360 has something similar (although I don't know).

'Course, presumably this is possible to do on the Wii, although it might require a firmware update or something...

Re:Storage? (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 6 years ago | (#25214949)

I mean, seriously, save slots? Still? Sure, it made sense when using carts where there was a limited space tied to the cart. It kinda stopped making sense when you had memory cards and most certainly stopped making sense when the console has built-in storage.

You do realize that Wii games use the built-in storage? The save-slots are for backward compatibility with the GameCube. Nintendo isn't emulating anything there, so it was easier to add a couple slots rather than work out how to intercept GameCube MemCard I/O.

Re:Storage? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 6 years ago | (#25214967)

He's talking about the abstract concept where you have savegames numbered e.g. 1-3 and while you can save in any of them you cannot save any additional games once these slots are filled, no matter how much remaining space you have.

Re:Storage? (2, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 6 years ago | (#25214983)

Ah, I see. See what I get for posting at 1:30 at night? :-P

Honestly, that scheme is a usability feature, not a hardware limitation. Nintendo came up with unlimited saves scheme in the form of Miis, but games that don't bother to use Miis (even just for savegames!) obviously fall back on the classic system. Of course, my brain is a smidge fried here, but I believe some games do limit the number of Mii-saves as well. I think this is still a usability issue as Nintendo didn't want multiple save files hanging around for a single game.

Re:Storage? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 6 years ago | (#25215341)

I do remember several Gamecube games using one file per savegame, no idea if that changed or if devs are just lazy.

Yeah, I hate it when games don't support Miis even if it's just for tagging a savegame with a user, inputting your name is silly when it's already in the system. Even worse are games that ask for the language every time they are started, apparently they don't save that. While it got reduced on the Wii and DS since they have a language setting in the system for some unfathomable reason some games like de Blob still ask every single time they're started. At least the stupid 50/60Hz question got abolished with the Wii's system settings, let's hope no third party is stupid enough to resurrect that...

Re:Storage? (1)

Yer Mum (570034) | about 6 years ago | (#25215737)

Each game can save a block of data of whatever size it wants in internal flash memory (if you look in the memory management screen you can see some use 1 block, some use 4-5-6), but it's up to the game how that is presented to the user.

E.g. Zelda has 3 slots, Mario Kart has 4 driving licenses, Pop can store about 10 players.

I suppose it's convention more than a Nintendo requirement.

Re:Storage? (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 6 years ago | (#25216359)

"made sense then using carts where there was a limited space tied to the cart"

"stopped making sense when you had memory cards"

"stopped making sense when the console has built-in storage"

Uhm, no?

Space is still limited. There is a difference in a save which takes a lot of storage vs one which only takes a little. So how is this irrelevant?

But yeah, I guess they could mention kB, or not mention it at all but then how would you know which kinds of saves takes up all your space? So I'd prefer some size reportation.

I'm assuming it's some Nintendo requirement because even third-party games will have a limited number of save slots stored on the Wii. Based on the memory browser, it looks like Wii games are allowed to say "I need this much space for saving" and then get a single chunk of space, which then gets divided into save slots. Which is ridiculous.

Ah, reserved space for the whole title and not for each save does indeed seem retarded.

Digg (5, Insightful)

tsa (15680) | about 6 years ago | (#25214615)

Please, this isn't news, speculation can hardly ever be taken serious, and this belongs on Digg, not Slashdot.

Re:Digg (5, Funny)

Aranykai (1053846) | about 6 years ago | (#25214647)

Didn't you hear? Slashdot is the new Digg, and Digg is the new myspace.

Re:Digg (1)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25214667)

And myspace is the new comments section of youtube.

Re:Digg (1)

maglor_83 (856254) | about 6 years ago | (#25214675)

So what's MySpace?

Re:Digg (1)

GaryPatterson (852699) | about 6 years ago | (#25214687)

So what's MySpace?

It's one of those cloudy thingies that RMS was banging on about the other day.

Re:Digg (1)

jaxtherat (1165473) | about 6 years ago | (#25214763)

Geocities

Re:Digg (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | about 6 years ago | (#25216431)

Does that make myspace the new Geocities?

Re:Digg (1)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25214657)

Slashdot: news for elitist nerds.

Re:Digg (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25214735)

And proud of it.

Is this really new information? (1)

bonch (38532) | about 6 years ago | (#25214655)

Of course Nintendo is working on their next-gen console due for release after several years. Of course they're going to be supporting HD by then. They said as much when the Wii was released.

nintendo was always done this (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25214661)

with their successful systems: The NES, the Super NES, the game boy color, advanced, pocket, etc.

I want my Super Ultra 64, my Super Cube, and my Super Virtual Boy... that last one would be awesome.

Wii Too (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25214695)

Wii Too
Wii Two
Wii Wii

But, Given Nintendo's history, it is likely to be called the Super Wii, Ultra Wii, or Wii Advance.

If Sega were involved, it would be the Mega Wii. :)

Re:Wii Too (1)

deniable (76198) | about 6 years ago | (#25214795)

Roman numerals:

Wii II, Wii III...

Re:Wii Too (3, Funny)

Ambiguous Puzuma (1134017) | about 6 years ago | (#25214933)

It could have a name that functions as its own UPC bar code!

Re:Wii Too (4, Insightful)

neokushan (932374) | about 6 years ago | (#25214803)

Nintendo loves their postfixes, that's for sure, so why isn't it feasible that they wouldn't just call it exactly what it is - the "Wii HD"?
Anyone who looks at it, even "Casual" gamers, will know exactly what it is thanks to all the marketing both Sony and Microsoft (and to a lesser extent, Toshiba) put into the whole "HD" thing.

GameCube Plus (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25215713)

Nintendo loves their postfixes, that's for sure, so why isn't it feasible that they wouldn't just call it exactly what it is - the "Wii HD"?

Nintendo likely won't call it the Wii HD for the same reason the Wii isn't called the GameCube Plus, even though that's what it is.

Re:Wii Too (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 6 years ago | (#25215015)

I think they'll use a new word entirely, the point of Wii was that it did not need any abbreviation.

Re:Wii Too (1)

uvajed_ekil (914487) | about 6 years ago | (#25215581)

If Nintendo gets some help from 3d realms: Wii Might As Well Forget It.

2D Realms (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25215761)

If Nintendo gets some help from 3d realms: Wii Might As Well Forget It.

I thought 3D Realms had already ruled out developing for Wii [ign.com] .

Surely We'll See All New Consoles by 2011? (1)

GaryPatterson (852699) | about 6 years ago | (#25214699)

I'd be amazed if in 2011 we didn't see something new from Microsoft and Sony as well. Console lifecycles aren't measured in decades, after all.

Tell that to Sony (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | about 6 years ago | (#25214743)

Tell that to Sony and their self-professed 10 year life cycle for the PS3. I jest but admittedly the PS2 is nearing that age, at least in Japan.

Re:Tell that to Sony (1)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25214787)

I can believe that PS3s will function for 10 years. I have a PSone that still works!

Re:Tell that to Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25215427)

Yeah but i'll bet it isn't a first generation Playstation....unless you have to turn it upside down in order to read a disc!

Re:Tell that to Sony (1)

aussie_a (778472) | about 6 years ago | (#25215697)

This sort of problem (mine just finally died) is why I now use an emulator. [epsxe.com] By no means perfect, its certainly cheap.

Re:Tell that to Sony (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 6 years ago | (#25216369)

I have a NES which still works (I belive), that don't mean the NES era is now :D

Re:Tell that to Sony (1)

pizzach (1011925) | about 6 years ago | (#25214871)

I think the PS3 will become the N64 of this generation. It will sell, but it will get no where near the penetration that the PS2 had. The PS2 basically had the weakest hardware of the last generation and yet has had incredible longevity. Ironically, Sony is saying that because the PS3 has the most powerful hardware it will last for 10 years...even though past experience shows the opposite may be true.

Re:Tell that to Sony (1)

rm999 (775449) | about 6 years ago | (#25214993)

Up to now, Sony has lost a lot of money on the PS3. If this trend continues, I think there is a chance that the PS3 will be remembered very differently than the N64. Nintendo started making money on the first N64s they sold.

Also, PS3 needs to find its Goldeneye or Zelda Ocarina - without the games, the console means nothing. While N64 was not the leader of its generation, it was still a success. That is still yet to be true for the PS3.

Re:Tell that to Sony (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 6 years ago | (#25215051)

I think that was just the usual false promise, they said that mostly to make people repeat it on the internet as some reason why other consoles are inferior. While the PS1 and PS2 did live quite long after they were outdated I attribute that more to their success than an intentional plan, if the PS3 fails to take as much of the market I expect Sony (and especially third party developers) to drop it much faster.

Also didn't the NES and SNES live quite long after being outdated? Seems to me like it's only the "losers" that drop quickly, the N64, GameCube and Xbox were dead the moment the next system came out (or even earlier). I think it's mostly because third party developers are quicker to abandon a weaker (in the market) console than a really big one where there's still plenty of money to be made.

Re:Tell that to Sony (1)

bestinshow (985111) | about 6 years ago | (#25216109)

That doesn't mean that the PS4 is coming out in 2016 however. Sony are quite happy to overlap their console releases and have a low-end console that's cheap and cheerful with loads of cheap games, and a high end console with the premium content. PS4 will probably come out in 2011 or 2012.

Re:Surely We'll See All New Consoles by 2011? (1)

aussie_a (778472) | about 6 years ago | (#25215165)

I'd expect it from Microsoft but not Sony.

PSX - Debuts in 1994 (6 years)
PS2 - Debuts in 2000 (6 years)
PS3 - Debuts in 2006 (5 years if the PS4 is released in 2011)

Xbox - Debuts in 2001 (4 years)
Xbox 360 - Debuts in 2005 (6 years if the next Xbox is released in 2011).

I'd say we could expect one from Microsoft. But the only way I see Sony putting out one early is if the PS3 flops. It certainly hasn't yet.

Faster, hotter, more expensive, of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25214703)

Like the 360, but better: WiiHD smoke

Re:Faster, hotter, more expensive, of course (3, Funny)

philspear (1142299) | about 6 years ago | (#25214811)

Nintendo threw everyone for a loop this time. No high def? No hard drive? A strange controller? No way will that thing sell!

  I think there's one way to top that. The next wii is $100 and you control it with your butt.

Re:Faster, hotter, more expensive, of course (1)

game kid (805301) | about 6 years ago | (#25215169)

The next wii is $100 and you control it with your butt.

I think they've got at least half of that [youtube.com] covered (or uncovered, from some perspectives).

Re:Faster, hotter, more expensive, of course (1)

aliquis (678370) | about 6 years ago | (#25216385)

Wii 720 would just sound weird.

Wii 720 - Duck hunt?

Sounds disappointing so far (1)

pembo13 (770295) | about 6 years ago | (#25214767)

While this story seems to be purely speculation, if it is true, that's kinda disappointing. I would home Nintendo at least tries to be innovative, even if it means failing.

Re:Sounds disappointing so far (1)

neokushan (932374) | about 6 years ago | (#25214847)

When you think about it, Nintendo was never really "innovative" in the home-console field before. The SNES was just a more powerful NES by most counts (Hence the name) and the N64 was, yet again, another Cartridge system when everyone else was using optical media, it was just a bit more powerful. Then you have the Gamecube, the only real innovations they made there were the odd pad (That many people loved, but personally I couldn't stand it), the "box" shape with the handle so you could carry the console around and the Miniature-sized disks that also didn't really affect the games on the system.
The Wii was the first time they'd actually went out and did something truly different from the competition. Considering Sony and Microsoft haven't jumped on the same bandwagon just yet (The SIXAXIS? Don't make me laugh! I've yet to play a single game where it actually has a useful/good purpose), they don't really need to do much other than up the visuals a fair bit, which is exactly what it seems they are doing.

Mode 7 (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25215833)

Nintendo was never really "innovative" in the home-console field before. The SNES was just a more powerful NES by most counts (Hence the name)

Yes, the Super NES CPU (65C816 at 2.68 MHz) was more or less an overclocked NES CPU (6502 at 1.79 MHz) with a 16-bit ALU, roughly on par with the TurboGrafx-16 CPU (65C02 at 7.16 MHz). But unlike all other consoles of that generation, the PPU (video processor) had a display mode that allowed "2.5-D" graphics on a texture-mapped plane. Genesis didn't have mode 7, and neither did Neo Geo; racing games for those had to use either an overhead view like RC Pro-Am and Micro Machines or the same 2D image-warping technique as Pole Position and Rad Racer from the NES days. I don't know of any other popular home gaming platform before the i486 PC and the 32X that could have done justice to even the early Super NES racing games such as On the Ball or F-Zero.

Re:Sounds disappointing so far (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 6 years ago | (#25215299)

I don't think it's true anyway. While more hardware power is likely in the next system it's more of a secondary concern for Nintendo (they'll slap some in but not throw much money at it). If you read these [50webs.com] there's pretty convincing arguments (though sometimes brought in a pretty annoying style) about what path Nintendo is following, what that involves and what that doesn't involve. To Nintendo more raw power is not a step ahead, they're developing into a completely different direction. Going for a pure power improvement would kill them, it would negate all the things they did right with the Wii (identifying that more hardware power is not needed much by the consumer and identifying underdeveloped aspects of consoles that consumers DO need).

In short, Wii HD would spell doom for Nintendo and you can be sure they won't do that.

Can we get HD early? (1)

CoolGuySteve (264277) | about 6 years ago | (#25214789)

I don't mind the Wii, but one thing that really bugs me is that it looks like shit on my 46" LCD. I would gladly pay extra to get a Wii that renders the same 3D scenes at 720p.

It's not totally far out, people upgraded their GameBoy Advance to the SP and their Nintendo DS to the redesign, but I doubt enough people have large HDTVs to make it a viable market before 2011.

Re:Can we get HD early? (1)

marcansoft (727665) | about 6 years ago | (#25214943)

FWIW, you aren't going to be getting HD on existing Wii games any time soon. The software isn't designed with that kind of forwards compatibility in mind. HD will require HD specific games.

Re:Can we get HD early? (3, Informative)

StarWreck (695075) | about 6 years ago | (#25215011)

Have you tried buying the upgrade Component cable to get the full 480p out of the Wii? Or are you using the composite cable that came with the Wii? That only lets you get 480i.

How about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25214821)

HDii?
HighWii?
HWii?

C'mon, these are so obvious.

This is news? How? (1)

HomerJ (11142) | about 6 years ago | (#25214973)

Nintendo has already said they want to go to shorter release cycles. This would put the Wii at four years. I actually expect a new Wii a lot shorter than that.

Although I do expect a WiiHD is going to be a lot harder sell. They had a lot of hype with the Wii and sold--and still selling--based off of it. But a lot of these Wiis are now sitting around collecting dust waiting for decent games. A couple cult following titles and a few lackluster first part titles. They have been been greeted with a lot of hope, and some good reviews from some Nintendo friendly reviewers. But I don't know a lot of people still playing their copies of SMG, MK, or even Brawl. I just think it's going to be a hard sell the next around of systems, where they are going to have to show some major titles with some real lasting appeal are going to come. Does anyone really think the "casual" gamers who got on board with Wii Play and Wii Fit are going to go buy another system for Wii Play 2 and Wii Fit 2 when they bought the first ones and it sat in the corner a couple of weeks after they had it?

Re:This is news? How? (3, Interesting)

vux984 (928602) | about 6 years ago | (#25215663)

Nintendo has already said they want to go to shorter release cycles. This would put the Wii at four years. I actually expect a new Wii a lot shorter than that.

Beats me.

Although I do expect a WiiHD is going to be a lot harder sell. They had a lot of hype with the Wii and sold--and still selling--based off of it.

Right, the Wii is just a fad. Keep telling yourself that.

But a lot of these Wiis are now sitting around collecting dust waiting for decent games.

An asinine observation. Its true of EVERY system, and everyone's definition of 'decent games' is different. A lot of PS3 are collecting dust too, and xbox360s too.

That said, consider the Wii Fit is still a total sell out after moving 2 million units. To me that pretty much blows your theory that everyone is waiting around for something to buy.

A couple cult following titles and a few lackluster first part titles. They have been been greeted with a lot of hope, and some good reviews from some Nintendo friendly reviewers. But I don't know a lot of people still playing their copies of SMG, MK, or even Brawl.

Same could be said of any of the franchise games for any of the consoles.

I just think it's going to be a hard sell the next around of systems, where they are going to have to show some major titles with some real lasting appeal are going to come.

Like what? Halo 3? Call of Duty? Complete with an achievement system so they can be ranked against 15-year-olds around the world? Yeah, the casuals are going to be lining up to get on that bus. Get real.

Does anyone really think the "casual" gamers who got on board with Wii Play and Wii Fit are going to go buy another system for Wii Play 2 and Wii Fit 2 when they bought the first ones and it sat in the corner a couple of weeks after they had it?

If they think it will be fun and entertain them for a while? Yes.

They don't need to play it 10 hours a week every week to feel they got good value. Even if they pull it out once a month or so for parties or when the grandkids come over, or they play the odd game of tennis, they're happy with their purchase. When the next version comes out, if it has something they want, they'll buy it.

It really is that simple.

Finally, if current trends are an indication: if they launched a "Wii 2" today, they'd sell a quarter million a week easily, and that's assuming the 30 million people who already have a Wii DON'T upgrade. They don't even NEED to 'convert' Wii owners, the untapped market is still large enough.

Of course, they will market to Wii owners as well, and some significant percentage WILL upgrade. A LOT of people are more than satisfied with their purchase. Hell, if they manage to sell a Wii 2 to just half the Wii 1 owners and don't sell a single unit to anyone else, they'll still outsell the PS3.

Re:This is news? How? (1)

aussie_a (778472) | about 6 years ago | (#25215749)

That said, consider the Wii Fit is still a total sell out after moving 2 million units. To me that pretty much blows your theory that everyone is waiting around for something to buy.

It isn't everyone that's waiting for something to buy. Plenty of people have bought what they want (WiiSports, WiiBowling, WiiFit). Its the gamers who want something to buy beyond Zelda or Mario.

Re:This is news? How? (3, Informative)

vux984 (928602) | about 6 years ago | (#25216247)

Its the gamers who want something to buy beyond Zelda or Mario.

meh, there's lots to play out there. Radiant Dawn, Mercury Meltdown, Zack&Wiki, Metroid3, Godfather, ...

I dunno, there are easily 20+ games that are more than difficult enough to be a 'gamers' game. And there are several 'casual' titles that are worthy of play too, and then there's plenty to to be had on the Virtual Console/WiiWare. I just can't be that sympathetic; there is plenty of value there.

And honestly, if you are consuming titles at such a high a rate that the Wii library is 'woefully inadequate', you've already got at least 1 of the other consoles in addition to the Wii, and possibly a DS or PSP to boot.

If that is you, and you are still complaining about the lack of titles... then your expectations are out of whack, or you are skipping tons of good quality games... probably both.

480p Wii Sucks (1)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | about 6 years ago | (#25215001)

I love the console but come on.. an xbox can put out 720p. A decent sized television makes the wii look very average.

Re:480p Wii Sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25215285)

The Wii IS very average (and I say that as a Wii owner).

Re:480p Wii Sucks (4, Insightful)

Secret Rabbit (914973) | about 6 years ago | (#25215457)

That resolution is really only necessary if you're going for realistic. And this is exactly where Nintendo isn't. The XBox's and PS's are, but not the Wii. High resolution just isn't necessary for cartoon-y stuff. So, don't criticise them for choosing technology that suits there needs, but doesn't live up to what /you/ *think* they should be doing.

Btw, I have a 32" LCD HDTV and Metroid looks amazing and Zelda looks good as well (though Zelda is _not_ supposed to look as good as Metroid).

Wow... (0, Offtopic)

skam240 (789197) | about 6 years ago | (#25215219)

Wow, HD support, huh? Welcome to the new millennium Nintendo.

Re:Wow... (1)

Yer Mum (570034) | about 6 years ago | (#25215823)

Nintendo have never been about letting technology driving the games, but letting games drive the technology.

Unlike Sony and Microsoft they can't use other business lines as a crutch. They don't sell bleeding edge technology at a loss and recover costs on the games, rather they develop technology that is good enough for the games they have in development and can be sold at a profit without the need to sell a single game.

lol 2011 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25215235)

All kinds of stuff will be out by 2011.

This is another fucktard ad by slashdot.

Lost in translation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25215317)

An earlier name was dropped after some one explained to the Japanese makers that "Wii We" wasn't a good name for the US market.

Paradigm Shift! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25215377)

the nature of the transition has been characterized as similar to 'the shift from Game Boy to Game Boy Advance,'

Finally! About time Nintendo realized their Wii games need to be played in color!

Ignore, posting to undo moderation (1)

Knuckles (8964) | about 6 years ago | (#25215495)

n/t

Majority of households still don't have one. (2, Insightful)

plasmacutter (901737) | about 6 years ago | (#25215537)

Sorry to say this, but the majority of households still don't have an HDTV.

Despite the fact most electronics stores carry them exclusively, relatively few can afford to spend circa $1k on one of these things.

The overall market share is still small.

Explain to me why anyone should be paying for resolution they won't see until panels drop to the 300 dollar mark some 5+ years from now?

Quality that will be driven out in 5+ years. (1)

sethstorm (512897) | about 6 years ago | (#25215767)

Because the $300 LCD panels won't have much quality to them - you will not see S-IPS or even PVA quality, just TN. Failing that, just use it as a monitor if it's not too big, and is 1080p.

Re:Majority of households still don't have one. (1)

tepples (727027) | about 6 years ago | (#25216027)

Explain to me why anyone should be paying for resolution they won't see until panels drop to the 300 dollar mark some 5+ years from now?

Unlike existing CRT SDTVs, a new TV can receive VGA and ATSC signals. If you don't buy a new TV, you'll still have to spend over $100 to keep your TV working with new sources:

  • $80 for a VGA-to-composite scan converter, so that you can watch YouTube on a decent size monitor and play multiplayer PC games without buying three more PCs.
  • $50 for an ATSC decoder so that you can get the digital subchannels (such as The CW, weather radar, three more PBS SDTV channels) that your cable TV provider chooses not to offer even on basic cable.

Re:Majority of households still don't have one. (1)

Eivind (15695) | about 6 years ago | (#25216173)

About half of all household have atleast one HDTV here.

About 75% of all households who own a last-generation-console have atleast one HDTV here.

Okay, so USA is a bit behind due to the lower wages (particular for the lower classes), but I'm sure the majority of US-gamers will have a hdtv inside of a year or two.

Abandoned the Fight (1)

aussie_a (778472) | about 6 years ago | (#25215683)

While this is great news for the soccer mums and the zelda fans, I'm disappointed that there isn't any news of Nintendo seeking to compete with Sony and Microsoft in an attempt to get the majority of the gamer market back.

As a (traditional) RPG fan, the Wii is just a non-competitive console for me, with it only having 4 games I'm interested in:
* Breath of Fire 2 (port)
* Phantasy Star II (port)
* Phantasy Star III (port)
* Phantasy Star IV (port)

With all those ports, it just hasn't convinced me.

Whereas the PS3 has:
* Valkyria Chronicles

While the Xbox360 has:
* Lost Odyssey

Multiplatform (as in, everything but the Wii)
* Enchanted Arms
* Final Fantasy XIII

While the PS3 and Xbox360 only have 3 titles on them that I'm interested in, those titles are new rather then ports. Xbox360 manages to equal the Wii, although with new games rather then ports.

Which is a shame because I imagine the Wii is quite fun. They've just abandoned most of the gamer market (and I realise I'm a very small part of the market but I'm also part of what has been abandoned) to Sony and Microsoft.

Re:Abandoned the Fight (1)

MagusZeal (1156955) | about 6 years ago | (#25216313)

You forgot Disgaea 3 for the PS3.
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