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Microsoft To Release Cloud-Oriented Windows OS

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the name-tba dept.

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CWmike writes "Within a month, Microsoft will unveil what CEO Steve Ballmer called 'Windows Cloud.' The operating system, which will likely have a different name, is intended for developers writing cloud-computing applications, said Ballmer, who spoke to an auditorium of IT managers at a Microsoft-sponsored conference in London. Ballmer was short on details, saying more information would spoil the announcement. Windows Cloud is a separate project from Windows 7, the operating system that Microsoft is developing to succeed Windows Vista."

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Microsoft Dark Cloud (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25222557)

Causes Rainy Day

Re:Microsoft Cloud (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223589)

...lacks silver lining.

Re:Microsoft Dark Cloud (0, Redundant)

davester666 (731373) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223909)

This will bring Vista performance to the masses. Now you don't have to spring $25K to by a Cray with Vista to get decent performance. Instead, Microsoft will have a while bunch of Crays, and rent you access to them.

Say, wasn't this done before, in the 60's?

Don't hold your breath (5, Funny)

Drooling Iguana (61479) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222563)

This sounds like vapourware to me.

Re:Don't hold your breath (1)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222609)

Actually, sounds like Ulteo [ulteo.com]. I've played with Ulteo and it is pretty close, and technically MS should be able to throw enough people behind something like it.

Re:Don't hold your breath (4, Insightful)

Stan Vassilev (939229) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222753)

Actually, sounds like Ulteo. I've played with Ulteo and it is pretty close, and technically MS should be able to throw enough people behind something like it.

Hell no. Unlike some people, Microsoft knows what "OS" means, and it's an OS: process management, drivers, the entire party.

If you want to get intot he right mindset about this project, consider it a spinoff of the Windows Server family (but will likely be a subset powered mostly or entirely by .NET).

Re:Don't hold your breath (4, Insightful)

MightyYar (622222) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222825)

and it's an OS: process management, drivers, the entire party.

Please click my link... Ulteo can be installed (and looks a lot like Ubuntu). I only ran in in a virtual machine, but it seemed like a pretty nice little setup. My big complaint is that they have apt-get, but you really can't use it or stuff breaks.

Re:Don't hold your breath (1)

jon207 (1176461) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223755)

My big complaint is that they have apt-get, but you really can't use it or stuff breaks.

'cause Ulteo don't uses apt-get but a system of squashfs layers for installing groups of applications.

That's strange. (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223921)

Unlike some people, Microsoft knows what "OS" means, and it's an OS: process management, drivers, the entire party.

Surely you're mistaken. If I recall correctly, several years ago Microsoft testified that their web browser was an integral part of the O/S [usdoj.gov] during an anti-trust hearing or some other little nuisance distraction. Or maybe I'm just imagining that.

Re:Don't hold your breath (0, Offtopic)

ChienAndalu (1293930) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222645)

makes you wonder what they are smoking

Re:Don't hold your breath (1)

ksd1337 (1029386) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223333)

There is no smoke obviously. Their bong broke, and all they can actually breathe is water vapor, hence the trend that is called Cloud Computing.

Re:Don't hold your breath So hazy i can't see... (2, Funny)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223199)

Project/Code Name?

Candidates:

Tacoma
Wincoma
GLAUcoma

Cloudy
Misty
TearDrop
Charmin

Re:Don't hold your breath So hazy i can't see... (5, Funny)

QRDeNameland (873957) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223609)

Project/Code Name?

Since this is Slashdot, how about...

"Insensitive Cloud"

Re:Don't hold your breath So hazy i can't see... (3, Funny)

davidsyes (765062) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223757)

Clouds ARE insensitive, you clo .... (struck by lightening, vaporized...)

Re:Don't hold your breath (1)

pushing-robot (1037830) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223341)

A "Windows Cloud"? Damn straight I'm holding my breath.

Re:Don't hold your breath (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223725)

A "Windows Cloud"? Damn straight I'm holding my breath.

Blue Stratocumulus of Death? Are you implying they are "seeding the cloud(TM*)"?

*predictive, Wonder if FSF could snag it,,

What it is... (5, Informative)

elfguy (22889) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223513)

It's not new and it's not vaporware, it's also not Windows on the cloud. It's called Microsoft Mesh. It's been in used for many months, although only the first few services are available. Right now you get PC to PC and PC to Web synchronization of data. It's pretty much the best document remote access / sharing solution right now.

MS wants to add applications too, which many people compare with Google Docs but it's not that at all. It's basically a way that people will be able to use the same app from anywhere, have multiple people use the same application thru this mesh. How it will end up working is.. as of yet unknown.

The upcoming PDC conference in October will be all about Mesh, which is what Balmer is referring to.

Re:Don't hold your breath (1)

Snufu (1049644) | more than 5 years ago | (#25224019)

Ballmer flew all the way to London to release cloud? I understand briefly stepping out of the room, but...

Copyright infringement (0)

Rabbi Shmabbi (1311483) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222613)

Sorry, I own the rights to the word "cloud".

How about Windows "Fog"?

More appropriate, yes?

Re:Copyright infringement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223181)

This would have been funny if you'd understood the difference between copyright and trademark...

Re:Copyright infringement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223667)

Nope, not even then.

Wonder if (5, Funny)

thammoud (193905) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222615)

they have an HTML version of the Blue Screen Of Death.

cloud = vaporware? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25222625)

It seems so obvious now.

What is it? (2, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222637)

Is this a web-based back end for hosting apps on a server? Is it an online platform of application infrastructure? Is it a toolkit/API for writing apps like Ruby-on-Rails?

Re:What is it? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25222725)

It's ummm a paradigm shift in ummm, enablifying , errr, an enriched user experience.

To put it another way: cock.

Re:What is it? (1, Funny)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223015)

It's Windows Vaporware [today.com]. It's a dessert wax and a floor topping. It's any marketing spin at all that they think might put people off competitors' products.

Anyone can talk up a hand of five aces [roughlydrafted.com]. Producing it when called is a bit harder.

Perhaps it will have $DATABASE_FILESYSTEM!

Re:What is it? (4, Funny)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223055)

This is the pre-announcement to announce an announcement. You'll have to wait for the actual announcement to find out what the hell it is.

Re:What is it? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223373)

My guess based on the article is this is some mutant client server thingy.
Hate to be so technical but this was in the article.
"Ballmer was dismissive of Google, saying Docs and Spreadsheets has "relatively low usage" and that users want richer features in an office software package. "We want software more powerful than software that runs in a browser," Ballmer said."
Well if you are not going to run in a browser then you must have some other type of client.

My best guess is it will use SilverLight instead of AJAX. So you may see something like Office and Money written in SilverLight that you can run in your Browser as long as you are running on Windows.
I will guess that this will be a tool that will allow companies to develop their own "Cloud" programs as well as host Cloud Office themselves on Windows servers. Sort of Cloud Visual Basic.

This is all just a guess but with the data I have that best I can do.

Re:What is it? (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223875)

I think that is a very good guess. A full client would be Windows only, however Silverlight-in-a-browser could mean Linux supported via Moonlight.

Re:What is it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223839)

Why its a little black rain cloud of course!

Oooh, great! (1)

PontifexMaximus (181529) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222671)

Cloudy Windows!!!! Well, I'm glad I have my Windex handy.

Does this mean the BSOD will instead be the 'partly cloudy' screen of death? Or will it just rain on me?

Re:Oooh, great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223549)

Don't quit your day job, dude.

hohum (4, Funny)

BigBadBus (653823) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222683)

Somehow, putting the word "vista" in the same sentence as "succeed", for whatever reason, just seems plain wrong.

Re:hohum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223969)

Somehow, putting the word "vista" in the same sentence as "succeed", for whatever reason, just seems plain wrong.

Not to worry -- just insert a "has not", "will not", or "never will" in between.

RMS was right! (5, Informative)

MPAB (1074440) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222685)

Re:RMS was right! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223241)

You beat me to it. It's funny that this comes out while that story is still on the front page.

Re:RMS was right! (1)

Danny Rathjens (8471) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223997)

That was my first thought, as well. :) I'm actually surprised they didn't name it "Windows Clouds" as a marketing reference to their default desktop background with clouds in it - and as a way to embrace and extend the cloud concept. :D

Mmm, windows cloud (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25222703)

Insert fart joke here

Distributed Blue Screen of Death (1)

Sasayaki (1096761) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222711)

So is the blue screen composed one line at a time by each node, or handled by the head of the cluster?

Can you play a distributed halo on it, or is DistHalo for Windows Cloud Vista Ultimate DX11 Version UK Edition Service Pack Five only?

Is every card in solitaire represented by a thread, or is only the extensive AI distributed?

Will the DRM be offloaded to individual nodes or centralised?

Re:Distributed Blue Screen of Death (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223699)

Another question might be how long will it take Linux to copy them. Uh, er, I mean "innovate", of course.

I sense a disturbance in the Force ... (4, Funny)

hey! (33014) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222897)

as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in labored puns about windows and clouds and nobody had the sense to silence them.

Cloud computing (4, Insightful)

MisterSquirrel (1023517) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222909)

It's a marketing phrase, designed to encourage you to offload your computing to the Cloud. The Cloud is where someone else controls your information, not you. Stallman says it's a trap. I'm inclined to believe him. When MicroHard starts promoting it? All the more reason to be leery of it.

Re:Cloud computing (0, Flamebait)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223041)

You'd think remote file stores and databases had never existed the way people talk about distributed computing. "Oooh, store your data on our server, it's sooooooo revolutionary!!!!"

Why is it that everything that some demented toad like Ballmer or some marketing type claims is new technology is something that's been known to the computer science community for decades, and probably has several antecedents that date back almost that far?

Which competitor has just released something? (3, Insightful)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222951)

I haven't been following this stuff.

Is it safe to assume that some competitor has just released a working toolkit for developing cloud applications that works pretty well? And that Ballmer needs to get the pointy-haired boss to stop Dilbert from using that toolkit, and redesign the mission-critical project around Windows Cloud?

Yay for Windows Vapor! (3, Insightful)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222981)

I am so excited about $NEXT_VERSION of Windows [today.com]. It will go beyond just solving all of the problems with $CURRENT_VERSION, it will be an entirely new paradigm. Forget about security problems, those are all fixed in $NEXT_VERSION. And they're finally ridding themselves of $ANCIENT_LEGACY_STUFF.

Also, there'll be $DATABASE_FILESYSTEM. It'll be awesome!

I wonder how $NEXT_VERSION will compare to $NEXT_NEXT_VERSION.

("Windows Cloud"? Good freakin' gosh, what do they have for a marketing department?)

Re:Yay for Windows Vapor! (2, Interesting)

Etrias (1121031) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223851)

Good freakin' gosh, what do they have for a marketing department?

The same guys who thought pairing Seinfeld and Gates could match up to the awesome juggernaut that is John Hodgman.

So, um... (2, Insightful)

rewt66 (738525) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222983)

He's saying that in a month they're going to announce (not ship) something, but he can't talk about it now? So he's telling us that he's not telling us something, but sometime later he will? Why doesn't he just, like, not say anything?

No Microsoft lock-in "advantage" in this field (3, Insightful)

White Flame (1074973) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222991)

The whole point of cloud computing is to run your server apps on whatever is available to run it. These apps do not, should not, and typically CANNOT do any configuration or long-term storage on any individual instance they run on, so everything they do is compartmentalized through specialized IO and shared storage APIs, which can be reimplemented on pretty much anything.

Sure, on the desktop everybody supports Windows, because they've got the drivers, Office is popular, etc etc. But going to any from-scratch model like cloud computing, Microsoft carries absolutely zero advantage or momentum from their other market saturations.

Re:No Microsoft lock-in "advantage" in this field (1)

socz (1057222) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223783)

From the sounds of it, this could work really well for windows. I mean they have the whole virus sharing @ 10/second down, so how much harder can it be to use the existing infrastructure to distribute computing load?

I think i'm ready with a few infections across several machines! :P

Are you sure? (1)

cashman73 (855518) | more than 5 years ago | (#25222997)

Are you sure you got that word right? Windows Chair has a much better ring to it, especially if it's a Steve Ballmer project,... ;-)

Cloud computing = fail (3, Insightful)

inject_hotmail.com (843637) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223133)

Mod me down for being a little jaded against ideas like this, but I just had to say something...

Ok, so, it still requires the client to boot some sort of OS stub, right? It still needs a method to connect to the Internet...and it sure isn't going to be BOOTP or PXE. You'll still have to have a local OS, but will apps/games run on it?

How is this going to benefit anyone except the corporate coffers? Of course $mega_corps love this idea! They don't care about your experience, they care about taking your money, and remaining in control.

If cloud computing grabs hold of us, we'll have to pay per month. Even just $20/month over 5 years = $1200...heh, yeah, sounds like a superdeal for everybody! Oh, and of course they will charge more per accessible app...and don't expect to use the same app for years, you'll be pushed forward to new apps without your consent.

Do I stream my data, like movies too?
What about bandwidth caps? How about your throttle?
What happens when my Internet connection goes down?
What happens when THEIR Internet connection goes down?
What happens when their SERVER goes down? Subverted? If someone doesn't notice?
What happens when I need custom apps installed? What if they aren't "approved"?
Who do I call when an app doesn't work/crashes?
Will my printers work? How about the rest of my attached devices? Legacy devices?
What happens if I want access to my stuff while I'm not near an Internet connection?
Who gets to look at my operating log?
Are advertisements banned?

Imagine how convoluted the simple task of inserting a scanned image will be.

A modern OS needs to be local, all this will be is just an in-browser-web-app, OR some virtual desktop a la Terminal Services.

It won't happen. /rant

Good Call, Microsoft (5, Insightful)

kat_skan (5219) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223135)

Good Call, Microsoft. With five editions of Vista competing with three editions of XP and nine editions of Server 2008 (including three that are just the regular versions without the hypervisor software), plus separate 64-bit versions of everything, the Windows product line wasn't nearly diffuse enough.

Let me guess... (3, Interesting)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223187)

Windows Vista that doesn't accept being offline and can store apps in a proprietary XML like format that you can display with 'the advanced and intergrated new exiting underlining technology MS has developed and maybe patented' *cough*aka IE8 extension for offline pages*cough*.

Sounds like something even I could have made by adding and removing some stuff in Ubuntu and remaster the image...

So... (1)

Vthornheart (745224) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223235)

A Windows OS for Cloud Computing sounds like Kryptonite for Richard Stallman.
Of course, we already knew that Microsoft was our industry's Lex Luthor.

vt100 terminal? (1)

Spacepup (695354) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223423)

How is cloud computing really any different than using a (dumb) vt100 terminial to access programs such as email, word processors, chat, mud's, and any data you might have stored on the server?

It really sounds like all cloud computing does is turn your home computer into a vt100 terminal with better graphics.

Except that you can't be assured the people running the server have any sort of ethics, sense of privacy, or security measures in place.

I wonder if this is going to bring back 1400 baud modems too?

Not a new idea at all.

windows cloud... As in sky? OMG it's skynet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223425)

For the love of gods, don't do it...

Succeed? (0, Redundant)

GuruBuckaroo (833982) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223443)

"Windows Cloud is a separate project from Windows 7, the operating system that Microsoft is developing to succeed Windows Vista."

If it's the slightest bit better than its predecessor, I think it'll be better described as the OS that FAILS Windows Vista. Once and for all.

How do I load an OS to the cloud? (1)

ACMENEWSLLC (940904) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223509)

So how do I get my server into the cloud anyway? Do I need an airplane, or a balloon? How can I find a long enough power cord? Is that a blue screen, or just a reflection of the sky?

And most importantly, can I cluster a Microsoft cloud with an Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud?

They only do this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223525)

...so they can recycle the wallpaper from Windows 95.

Should've Seen it Coming (1)

Admodieus (918728) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223657)

The writing has been on the wall for something like this for a long time. Gates has been talking for years about how this is where he thinks the future is. Microsoft has made a strong push lately for their various Windows Live products, and some of them are quite good (Mesh, Skydrive, Writer). The only thing I'm curious to see is how heavy the OS is. Will it be geared towards netbooks, like the eeePC? Or will it still require some juice on your local machine?

It already exists and called Windows RG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223671)

Demo is available here:
http://www.deanliou.com/WinRG/27549_winrg.swf

Russians are way ahead on this. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25223685)

I would put the viris nets as way ahead of Microsoft on the cloud computing front for Windows Operating Systems.

I would ask what protections are in the Microsoft release to stop the instant creation of massive bot-nets.

like flies to shite... (1)

apodyopsis (1048476) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223737)

Firms really are attracted to the latest buzzwords and hot topics like a fly to a shit are they not?

Just in case this is the latest "Netscape moment"*, the latest hot technology that might prove useful so they will carve up a slice of it for themselves and smother innovation with a deluge of patents and FUD. Stamping their branding irons into the body of development to get their logo and product into every corner.

I'm careful to avoid mentioning any specific firm here - because this goes for them all I think.

*by which I refer to the fact that initially the web was ignored by firms until it was clear it was a big thing at which point they all waded in with monopolistic behavior, fired up their legal teams and petitioned for more control of it from us miscreants and wasters in case we created something they could not profit from and lock down. I think nobody won that one, I would say there is too much DRM and monitoring, others would argue the other way.

Re:like flies to shite... (1)

Shados (741919) | more than 5 years ago | (#25224039)

Its ignorance in general that does that kindda stuff... its not just with firms. Having a buzzword filled resume will net you a well paying job (if you don't mind working for idiots), having a buzzword compliant product will get you customers, etc.

It gives people unfamiliar with the details a sense of security. "Oh! this is WEB 2.0, I can't go wrong!". "Oh this web app has Ajax! Its going to be FAAAAAAAAAAST". "Oh this doesn't have any trans fat in it, its healthy FOR SURE!"

It's just GoogleApps (1)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 5 years ago | (#25223823)

Don't get confused. It is just Microsoft's response to GoogleAps ie: Google Docs, Gmail, Google Spreadsheet, Google Calendar, etc.

A little rant... (1)

Nathrael (1251426) | more than 5 years ago | (#25224043)

[Insert rant about how Microsoft should rather take time patching their old systems (or even better: creating a new one that actually would be _useful_ and _nice to use_) instead of developing new ones]

Windows has always been a cloud.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25224063)

Its just that its made of an 'unmanageable heap of spaghetti code." Then ten minutes later, your hungry for more RAM.

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