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FIRST POST~! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231293)

FATHER FUCKERS! Damn stupidly slow preview thing...

Impressive... most impressive... or not... (5, Insightful)

Xylaan (795464) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231297)

That would be more impressive, until you realize the average value of each piece is $6.08.

So my guess is a few big ticket items, and then lots and lots and LOTS of some small item.

Re:Impressive... most impressive... or not... (1)

Westley (99238) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231313)

My thoughts exactly. Was this a case of 19,000 pencils and then a few PCs?

Re:Impressive... most impressive... or not... (5, Funny)

LordKronos (470910) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231471)

No, it was just a couple PCs. They're just using the RIAA/CD-R theory to say that, since it was a couple really fast computers, it was the equivalent of thousands of 386's.

Re:Impressive... most impressive... or not... (5, Funny)

mlush (620447) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231831)

My thoughts exactly. Was this a case of 19,000 pencils and then a few PCs?

Couldn't be, were talking 'military spec' pencils which cost at least $200 each

Re:Impressive... most impressive... or not... (5, Funny)

JustKidding (591117) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231341)

Like, a big box of CD-Rs or something. If he had stolen a single CPU, they might as well have claimed that he stole more than 40 million transistors.

Re:Impressive... most impressive... or not... (1)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231351)

Actually that is just the lower bounds of the price per item since they say 'Over $20,000', but yeah I see your point.

Re:Impressive... most impressive... or not... (2, Interesting)

rnaiguy (1304181) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231411)

Perhaps the stuff is being undervalued by the government/court because it's somewhat aged now (and probably was at he time of theft as well)?

More interestingly, what the hell was he doing with it all?

Selling it? Using it? Burning it to stay warm? Trying to rebuild HAL?

I bet he's just a klepto.

Re:Impressive... most impressive... or not... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231521)

Toner particles bring the average down.

Re:Impressive... most impressive... or not... (2, Funny)

chortick (979856) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231541)

This reminds me of the old joke... "The Pentagon reports today that a truckload of toilet seats was stolen in transit. The estimated street value is $2 billion..."

Re:Impressive... most impressive... or not... (5, Funny)

Shemilt (824751) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231873)

"... Federal investigators say they have nothing to go on."

Re:Impressive... most impressive... or not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231717)

Yep - $6 a throw.

Big deal.

One 128 core processor and 38 reams of paper... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231883)

One 128 core processor and 38 reams of paper...

WTF (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231299)

Where do I find these $6 computers this guy is stealing?

Re:WTF (4, Funny)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231481)

They ought to leverage his natural skills and abilities by putting this guy in charge of the disposal and recycling of old stuff. If he was taking old equipment with pre-ROHS circuit boards, he probably saved them >$120k in fees.

I hope he wiped those hard drives of any critical information. I wonder if he was working with those guys from MI6 who sold the camera?

Per item... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231309)

19,709 pieces of stolen computer equipment [...] amounting to over $120,000

Wow, that's almost $6.09 per stolen item! Truly, this is comparable to a $700,000,000,000 wall street bailout.

Correction: he didn't stole it - (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231315)

He borrowed it!

Re:Correction: he didn't stole it - (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231969)

Borrowed it permanently without permission.

-Fixed.

$6.08 per item! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231319)

The average cost of the items are:
$120,000/19709 = $6.08

So either the Navy is doing a *good* job of penny pinching with their part of the defense budget or that the person really like stealing stuff that are worthy of Walmart.

Your Rights Online? (4, Insightful)

Milyardo (1156377) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231325)

What does this have to do with YRO? That is, unless he stole the suff over SSH...

Re:Your Rights Online? (5, Funny)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231379)

And then what does it still have to do with YRO, unless he stole it over SSH under the guise of "free (as in computer parts) speech"...

The investigation widens... (5, Funny)

waldonova (769039) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231329)

In further news, a source inside the Pentagon reports that 17 pencils have been reported missing over the last three months. "These are critical communication devices, built to mil spec standards. They have the potential to inflict injury to an untrained operator. The Pentagon takes these communications security breaches quite seriously, and we will be looking for further funding to study this National Vulnerability."

Re:The investigation widens... (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231515)

In further news, a source inside the Pentagon reports that 17 pencils have been reported missing over the last three months. "These are critical communication devices, built to mil spec standards. They have the potential to inflict injury to an untrained operator. The Pentagon takes these communications security breaches quite seriously, and we will be looking for further funding to study this National Vulnerability."

"And they spent $1.5 million a piece for them, too! Haw-haw!"

No, actually they did. Cost-plus contract from Haliburton.

"Oh. That's not funny."

Not unless you're Dick Cheney.

Re:The investigation widens... (4, Funny)

SimonGhent (57578) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231739)

They have the potential to inflict injury to an untrained operator

You've seen The Dark Knight then.

Re:The investigation widens... (5, Funny)

waldonova (769039) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231887)

No, I've never met the Vice President but I'm sure that he is aware of this situation.

Re:The investigation widens... (1)

dominious (1077089) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232095)

I see this is a joke but have not heard of covert channels [wikipedia.org]?

17 missing pencils can actually encode 17 bits of information to transfer inside secrets to an outsider! For example:
If I transfer 2 pencils in 2 days that could mean a yes to a previous question, if I transfer 2 pencils in 1 day it could mean a no

What does this have to do... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231347)

... with my rights online?

NOT ME! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231349)

Hey, I didn't steal anything. Don't look at me.

Old stuff? (3, Interesting)

owlstead (636356) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231355)

It seems to me that he did clear out the archive of old and useless equipment. Think about it: 20K of stuff worth 120K in US dollars? That's an average of 6 dollars per item, and you can rest assured that it won't be the minimum that they are quoting. Also, how can you be missing 20K of equipment? Well, easy, since it was probably collecting dust anyway.

But stealing is dangerous stuff, because you will upscale as long as you can get away with it. Once you've started it, it's more difficult to stop, since you've already taken the moral hurdle. And at some time someone is going to miss something, either because of bad luck or because the person taking the stuff is moving upwards.

I've got an old passive AGP Matrox dual head card laying around the office. It would be a perfect fit for one of my older computers. But I won't take it, even though I'm sure it won't be used anymore. That said, the way companies handle old equipment could be considered criminal as well.

Simple solution. Ask (5, Interesting)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231401)

I got a very nice PC here. Did I buy it? No, it was surplus and going unused and gathering dust with old equipment. I had asked for the old equipment, a couple of xeon servers. They said, "sure, take it". I pointed out that this PC was in fact brand new, but it was surplus so if I just shut up about it it saved paperwork.

The servers were refurbished and donated to a charity as their office servers and the surplus PC has been my desktop for over a year.

If you never ask, the answer will always be no. On the whole, people are nice, if only you are nice to them. Would you deny someone a piece of old equipment if they asked nicely? Then why should someone deny it to you?

Re:Simple solution. Ask (4, Interesting)

riggah (957124) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231511)

If you work in any sort of "corporate" environment asking usually won't work. I've watched companies destroy and throw away merchandise/equipment rather than give it to employees.

So, sure, asking is the moral and ethical way to do it, but you may just be calling attention to the fact that they haven't thrown any of the old junk that's collecting dust.

I'm not advocating theft, by the way, just pointing out that many companies would rather trash something than give it to an employee. That being said, my boss just gave me an iMac that they were going to get rid of!

Re:Simple solution. Ask (2, Interesting)

wisty (1335733) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231553)

Or you can suggest to the PHB to give the old junk away to the employee of the month. Nothing motivates workers like getting first dibs rummaging through the trash!

Re:Simple solution. Ask (2, Informative)

stupid_is (716292) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231577)

if it's working kit with book value, then you then have to work out the tax implications of this "bonus" :-(

Re:Simple solution. Ask (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232259)

Actually, the warehouse guys used to let us do that, at a previous job.

Of course, I doubt there was any official approval, the back two rows of the warehouse were just "junk" actually, they used to sell it as scrap to someone who bought it in bulk by the pound.

Overall, I don't think they cared, the shelf space was worth way more than the paltry income they got scrapping what was on it.

-Steve

Re:Simple solution. Ask (5, Insightful)

viking099 (70446) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231579)

It's a bad idea to give away excess merchandise to employees though. It can encourage people to intentionally overbuy products simply because they know it will be given to them when it doesn't sell.

A better solution is to have someone box it all up and donate it, assuming it's something worth donating.

Re:Simple solution. Ask (5, Interesting)

C_L_Lk (1049846) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231835)

My old manager at my last place of employment was just like this "throw it in the dumpster" - surplus was all to go in the dumpster that was designated for hazardous/electronic waste and go to the scrap yard and be chopped up. Hundreds of monitors, CPU's, Cisco routers, hubs and switches, thousands upon thousands of feet of Cat5 cable, you name it.

However, said manager also told us all "the lid on the dumpster isn't locked and what happens to its contents when I'm gone home is out of my control" *hint hint* - so most of the IT staff, myself included, were pretty careful in stacking things in the dumpster all nice and neat and organized into "waste" and "not waste" - then we'd pick through it after hours for our own take. The next morning we would generally let it slip to the rest of the staff "there's leftover goodies in the dumpster - check it after work tonight".

I'm sure in the end we saved the company many 10's of thousands of $ in disposal fees as I believe we paid close to $0.50/pound for electronics disposal. ($20 for one CRT monitor)

Re:Simple solution. Ask (1)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231967)

Sounds like the most elegant way to deal with the problem IMO. That way everybody has done his part and valuable stuff doesn't get needlessly trashed.

In many places legislation makes it fairly complicated to just give away old stuff rather than just dump it.

Re:Simple solution. Ask (1)

basscomm (122302) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232117)

An even easier solution is to volunteer to be the one that 'throws it away' in the 'dumpster'.

Re:Simple solution. Ask (1)

HisMother (413313) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232077)

This is a Federal Government Agency we're talking about -- there are strict, unbreakable rules about this kind of thing. No one can give or receive permission to take ownership of surplus -- asking would, at best, get you a hearty belly-laugh.

Re:Simple solution. Ask (1)

TheCarp (96830) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232201)

We had a few machines a couple of years ago that we had to "Dissapear".

I asked someone about them and he told me "They were supposed to go back to sun in one of those deals where you exchange old equipment for a discount on the new. I called them up, they said that at this point they don't even want them and we can keep them. However, since they were supposed to have been sent back, they arn't in asset management anymore, so we can't even generate an order to have them removed, without first making them exist again."

Yah, they pretty much went home with a few people. Somehow I doubt anyone cares about the fate of an Ultra 5 these days :). Frankly, I am not even sure why I grabbed one. I don't think I have even powered it.

I almost took home a microvax for similar reasons a few years back, but I was taking the T at the time and lugging it onto a shuttle and then the train was not my idea of a good time.

-Steve

Re:Simple solution. Ask (1)

AndyboyH (837116) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232205)

We have a similar thing in our office...

All the old machines are raffled off, for a nominal fee (like £50) - last time that happened I got a Dual Xeon PC with a dodgy motherboard for £20, contacted the Mobo manufacturer Asus, got it replaced under warranty, and have a fully functioning Dual Xeon for what (at the time) was 40 bucks. I've never used it, but it's always there with the implication of being some kind of project. (reply in comments if you've got any good suggestions!)

Alternatively there's some kind of email sent around, and then a free big rummage starts. Last time it was big (A4+) wacom tablets (serial connectors so out of date) and my little snag - a fully functional HP Laserjet 1010 printer. I'm still proud of that one, except for the fact my fiancee topped that a week later.

She was working on a 1 year's contract for a school that was to be closed down. She'd already got some old, slightly crappy bookcases from them, and some miscellaneous IT kit (VGA splitter, random cables) - but in the last week, she managed to walk away with something that I didn't expect. She walked away with a Sanyo projector. Apparently it seemed broken so the other schools didn't want it, so they just gave it her free. I spent $60 on a remote from the US, re-seated the lamp and blowed through of the filters with a gas spray, and now we play Smash Brothers Brawl on a wall.

Re:Old stuff? (1)

doktorjayd (469473) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232115)

I've got an old passive AGP Matrox dual head card laying around the office. It would be a perfect fit for one of my older computers. But I won't take it, even though I'm sure it won't be used anymore

you could always just ask for it - half my home office has been acquired this way. ( and just about all the old crap collecting dust under the desk too. anyone want a 24 port 10-base-T hub? )

--
nuclear weapons provide a means for people to kill Millions of people in one fell swoop.

Office Equipment (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231375)

wants to be free!

Not much of a sentence (4, Insightful)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231395)

Sentencing is set for December when Papagno could face up to two years in jail for the thefts.

Seems pretty lenient considering this is a case of grand theft and potentially identity theft since there was information about contractors. It could also be construed, perhaps, as terrorism or treason considering the organization the equipment and data was stolen from.

Contrast this with penalties for copying music over the internet. Is "Enter Sandman" a more valuable national resource than naval research equipment and data in Washington?

Re:Not much of a sentence (1)

ironwill96 (736883) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231449)

Yes, Enter Sandman when played in reverse is an evil terrorist song.

In "Enter Sandman", Osama Bin Laden is beckoning all Americans subliminally to force them to become Hello Kitty terrorists. This is something that must be investigated thoroughly and at a great deal of expense. The provisions for this are hidden in the recent $700 billion dollar bailout bill that is so long nobody in congress actually read it.

Truly yours,
Department of Hello Kitty Homeland Security

Re:Not much of a sentence (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231537)

It could also be construed, perhaps, as terrorism

No, it couldn't.

Re:Not much of a sentence (1)

Spatial (1235392) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231633)

Why, if this isn't an attempt to coerce people using intimidation and violence for political or ideological purposes, I don't know what is!

Re:Not much of a sentence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25232011)

Yeah it seems kind of odd that 20,000 pieces of computer equipment totaling $120k would only land you in jail for 2 years. Thats only going to encourage more theft. Of course the whole planet wants a financial bailout package so what's the diff?

Not unusual (5, Interesting)

djupedal (584558) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231431)

I have a, eh, 'friend'....that used to work for M******** Aircraft many years ago in Long Beach. He had full area access due to his job, and that part was unusual, but it meant he could come and go as he pleased - his job also meant driving a van full of equipment on a regular basis.

His method was to first move equipment around inside the plant, waiting to see if anyone noticed. When the stuff went unnoticed for a period of time (say after an audit), he would load up and drive off base to his home, where the van would be unloaded.

This went on for years and he eventually changed jobs.

It was almost three years later that investigators came to his new home, hundreds of miles away. When they walked up to his door, they could see the open garage that was stuffed to the ceiling with everything from o'scopes to monitors to cameras...on and on and on.

In the end, the company got it all back (he kept and took very good care of everything), and only charged him with theft of one almost worthless item, since that was the only piece they felt like parting with long enough to prosecute. They later told him they were shocked to find him with so much stuff...they said their research told them it would take more than a dozen people to pilfer so much equipment.

Re:Not unusual (5, Interesting)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231517)

Nope, not unusual at all. I used to work with a guy who told me in detail several times (unasked) exactly how you could get equipment out of the building (move it over here to the freight area, wait until after hours to take it to the basement, at this time of day the back doors are opened, so you can then pull a car in, etc etc). I had recently been put in charge of an equipment audit and there were several pieces of equipment missing (some of which this guy had previously shown a keen interest in). When I brought the issue up with my boss I was told "Oh no, he would never do something like that." Case closed. No investigation, nothing. I received a slight reprimand for even suggesting something like that might happen. I quit shortly after that.

It's wise... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231665)

...to check if your boss is one of the people making use of the 'loophole' before going to report on him ;=)

Re:It's wise... (2, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232035)

...to check if your boss is one of the people making use of the 'loophole' before going to report on him ;=)

He wasn't in on it. I think it was more of an issue of my boss not wanting it to come down on his head. Safer to just play dumb about the whole thing than to actually acknowledge that there's a problem.

Re:Not unusual (1)

Hokie06 (986634) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231611)

Yeah its seems like its people that steal so much unused or rarely used stuff that they get caught.

If you are going to steal that stuff, limit yourself. Your employer will probably never notice. If an audit is done and a few old rarely used items are missing, no one will probably go looking. They will just write them off. Its when so much stuff goes missing over some period of time, then some eyebrows will get raised and someone will start digging.

As a previous poster said. Just ask, chances are you might get something. Probably not a garage full though.

Re:Not unusual (4, Interesting)

jandrese (485) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231759)

A better way to steal old stuff is to literally intercept it on the way to the trash can. Since it's off of the books nobody will ever come looking for it. I've collected quite a number of entirely usable ethernet cables, mice, keyboards, etc... from labs that were being torn down or reconfigured.

Re:Not unusual (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232039)

Boingo!

When it was IT crap cleaning day I simply volunteered to take the trash to the trash canisters out back. If asked why I was loading thing in my car i reply, "This stuff has mercury and heavy metals in it! I'm taking it to the recycling center."

They usually give you a "Atta Boy!" for saying that, and for doing that on your own time.

Re:Not unusual (1)

drerwk (695572) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232109)

I loved dumpster diving as a Caltech undergrad. EE labs, Phys labs. I stayed away from O'Chem and used a Geiger Counter on all the stuff.

Re:Not unusual (1)

AgentPhunk (571249) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232123)

My first job was at a big clothing store, and two guys I knew worked together to steal a ton of stuff. One worked out front on the floor, and the other was a janitor. The first would pick out a bunch of nice clothes and wait for the second to come by with one of those big rolling trash bins, and would then 'throw' away the clothes. The janitor would likewise throw the clothes in the dumpster/trash-compactor out back, and both would come back late at night, unlock the dumpster from the outside and retrieve the clothes. And they never got caught!

"Stealing" trash? (1)

grimJester (890090) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232215)

I have a hard time considering it stealing if it's going in the trash. I assume it's still legally someone's property until the trash has been physically taken away, but morally it can't be considered theft.

For once.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231457)

I think TFS was longer than TFA

Re:For once.. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231567)

That's what she said...

ba dum da cha!

Searches on way out (1)

What'sInAName (115383) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231459)

I was a postdoc at NRL for three years. They used to do random searches on the way out, but in the three years I was driving in and out, I was never stopped, so the percentage of outbound cars they searched must have been quite small.

I brought equipment home while I was there, such as laptops, but they were bought for me to use. (Of course, we never did get around to creating a property pass, so technically I would have had some serious explaining to do had they stopped me and found the laptop on the way out.)

Re:Searches on way out (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231871)

I walked past the Apple Store in Chatswood (NSW) yesterday some time after closing time. The front of the store was all barred but I could see in easily, and there were several people inside who all looked to be Apple Store employees.

It appeared to me, on the way past, that one of them was inspecting the backpack of another. So my guess is that all employees' bags are searched before they leave the store each day, to prevent them leaving with highly desirable iPhones and iMacs and stuff.

Can't say I'd enjoy working in an environment where I get searched after every shift, but I can understand Apple's motivation to do so.

The process can probably be subverted fairly easily. If they only check bags after store close, then remove the goods at lunch time instead, maybe in a pocket. Do like some previous posters have explained as the modus operandi for workplace thieves, and "disappear" items before removing them, to see if the loss goes unnoticed. Anyway no security process is ever foolproof, if the Apple process reduces employee theft to an acceptable level, then more power to them.

Note to self... (1)

Anita Coney (648748) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231495)

... get job at US Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC., steal 19,708 pieces of computer equipment. Walk away a free man.

Re: BOFH got slashdotted (1)

lzdt (1335879) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231523)

The Bastard Operator From Hell counts on the fact that managers never remember...

To err is human.

Obviously no toilet seats (4, Funny)

Grashnak (1003791) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231533)

Apparently he didn't get any of those $600 toilet seats or $900 hammers that we used to hear about the military procuring.

Re:Obviously no toilet seats (1)

bugeaterr (836984) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231565)

Apparently he didn't get any of those $600 toilet seats or $900 hammers that we used to hear about the military procuring.

What do you want to bet that the replacement cost will be in the millions?

liars & touts & shills oh my (-1, Offtopic)

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steeling (2, Interesting)

nutsy1 (1373969) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231573)

Steeling from your "boss" is quite a common phenomenon. some say that people who feel neglected or wrongfully treated are the ones that steel the most at their workplace... I don't know if thats true, but it does make sense. Happy people usually don't commit crimes... unless their happiness is chemically provoked :P

They deserve it. Really. Take this as a lesson. (3, Funny)

unity100 (970058) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231589)

ANY military institution that lets goddamn NINETEEN THOUSAND PIECES OF HARDWARE EQUIPMENT to be stolen,

.... well im speechless .... i cant even find analogies.

Re:They deserve it. Really. Take this as a lesson. (1)

maugle (1369813) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231653)

Keep trying. There has to be a car analogy in there somewhere.

Re:They deserve it. Really. Take this as a lesson. (1)

SimonGhent (57578) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231793)

There was the Jeep that Klinger stole bit by bit in MASH.

Will that do?

Re:They deserve it. Really. Take this as a lesson. (1)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232041)

Klinger was eating the Jeep, bit by bit.

It was Radar that was mailing the Jeep home, bit by bit.

Re:They deserve it. Really. Take this as a lesson. (1)

afxgrin (208686) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232127)

Hey, he's just starting his own covert cyber defense research lab...that's all.

He should submit an Ask /. Question, something like "Hey /., I recently obtained a large amount of military computer equipment, and would like to form a team of computer hackers. Send resumes to k.lepto@navy.mil.gov if you're interested in working on this unique, once in a lifetime job opportunity."

Re:They deserve it. Really. Take this as a lesson. (1)

afxgrin (208686) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232139)

Hey, he's just starting his own covert cyber defense research lab...that's all.

He should submit an Ask /. Question, something like "Hey /., I recently obtained a large amount of military computer equipment, and would like to form a team of computer hackers. Send resumes to k.lepto@navy.mil.gov if you're interested in working on this unique, once in a lifetime job opportunity."

That's actually a "low" loss. (5, Interesting)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231639)

No one is saying that stuff walking away is a good thing, but 19+ thousand items at about $6.00 (est) average per item is typical office flow.

Listen, workers often bring things "into" work that are not counted, and some bring things back. I wouldn't even call it "quid pro quo," I'd call it humans working as humans do. We all do it, nothing bad mind you, I'll burn a DVD of stuff and bring it to work. I'll use my laptop because the company I may be working doesn't want to buy me one if I don't need it.

We are not machines, humans become "part" of the organizations to which they belong, and without malice "communal" supplies and things just get used.

Also, in a large technology environment, there is so much stuff that either gets tossed or walks. Think about keyboards, how many people order a cordless keyboard/mouse for their PCs? Well, what happens to the OEM keyboard/mouse? I'll tell you, it sits in a closet until it gets tossed or walks.

We setup a big data center a number of years back, we ordered 300 Dell servers, each and every damn one came with a keyboard and a mouse. We had a small mountain of brand-new mice and keyboards we didn't know what to do with. Dell would ship without them, and we couldn't get rid of them. So, we left them in a pile, and about 50% walked away.

Then there are hard disks, you upgrade a 100G hard disk to a 250G hard disk, 250g to 500g, what do you do with the old ones? They, too, sit in a closet. They have "book" value but no actual usable value. Computers, jeez, you can't get rid of them, but after 18 months they have "book" value but no practical resale value. It costs more in man-power to dispose of a 2 years old computer than it does to buy a new one. So it sits in a corner or a closet until someone asks "will that be missed?" and the response is "its just taking up space, I know nothing."

Your "human community" will use these things. The books will show a loss, but no real loss has occurred. Bonus! You get to deduct the loss, blame pilfering, and in the end stuff useless to organization stops taking up space and gets used, employees are better off, and there's room in the closets.

This is actually the best way. If they "gave" it to the employees, it would mean paperwork and taxes. This way, its just "lost" so sad. Everyone knows it, everyone does it, and this article is just a CYA piece.

That's actually a "low" guess. (1)

Ostracus (1354233) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231973)

"The theft included everything from PCs and printer toner to hard drives, software and other office equipment amounting to over $120,000 according to court documents and published reports."

Hard drives are now $6.00? What did he grab? The MFM lying around? The drum over in the corner?

Re:That's actually a "low" guess. (2, Insightful)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232097)

Hard drives are now $6.00? What did he grab? The MFM lying around? The drum over in the corner?

The average estimated value of each item was $6.09. OK, what is a hard disk worth?

I have 200G ATA hard disk, what is it worth? Seriously, what is it worth? It has two values, the "book" value which you use for accounting and things like insurance, and you have the "functional" value. The functional value is nothing, zip, nada. It was upgraded to a 500G gig. I don't need to 200G hard disk, there no point in putting it into a system as it uses more power than it is worth. I can get a "green" drive with 2 to 4 times the storage that will cost me less in a year of electricity.

For me, I'll keep it in case I need to build a test system. For a big organization, it is actually best to let it "walk away" and take the deduction for loss.

Try it anywhere else (2, Interesting)

BlueBoxSW.com (745855) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231703)

Steal $120,000 from a local bank and see how many years in jail you end up with.

Re:Try it anywhere else (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231829)

Steal $120,000 from a local bank and see how many years in jail you end up with.

Hardly the same thing, money is valued as, well, money. Computer gear has an estimated book value. That $120,000 book value is probably a $0.00 institutional value. It is likely stuff that would have never been used again by the organization.

I don't know the specifics, but in my basement, I have over $50,000 estimated value of equipment. Stuff that I can't sell, don't use, would probably just toss next time I get a dumpster, I have two DEC Shark thin clients, numerous P.C.s, hundreds of CDs, motherboards, RAM, hard disks, power supplies, a few UPS that need batteries, a couple oscilloscopes, soltering irons, etc.

If the house burned down, I'd claim the insurance.

Re:Try it anywhere else (1)

dimeglio (456244) | more than 5 years ago | (#25231963)

Not sure if depreciation can be taken into account when calculating the value of a theft. If that's the case, by the time they get to court, all that equipment will be almost worthless.

BTW: I read that the cost of a single TOW missile is around $180,000. This kinda puts things in perspective...

Re:Try it anywhere else (1)

mlwmohawk (801821) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232125)

Not sure if depreciation can be taken into account when calculating the value of a theft. If that's the case, by the time they get to court, all that equipment will be almost worthless.

I'm self employed, and you calculate depreciation for your taxes, but computer stuff is valueless long before its depreciated value reaches zero.

That's the big problem You got a ton of junk that carries accounting value, but provides no operational value. Sort of like high-tech tribbles.

haha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231729)

I once got assigned as the new technical support rep for my company in Ft. Myers. One of my first tasks was to do an inventory of the computer supply room which (was supposed to have) contained a few dozen PCs, replacement parts, printers, etc.. So I pulled up, introduced myself and went to the supply room. It was almost empty except for some used PCs. I called my supervisor and asked where the supply room was. My supervisor was a little annoyed and told me that I "couldn't miss it" because of all the equipment. So I felt dumb and looked around some more but couldn't find this room full of equipment.

I call my supervisor. He's upset and tells me he's on his way from Naples.. An hour later he arrives. We walk to the room. First word out of his mouth, "Crap."

Loss prevention came by and interviewed me but I don't think they ever recovered the equipment. Not sure if it was the previous admin who snagged the stuff, or maybe someone saw that the guy was gone and saw an opportunity to load up a van.

Copyright (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25231867)

He only stole one computer, took a picture of it and copied it 20,000 times.

Because in USA, copying is stealing!

All at once? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25232021)

Well, I left Kentucky back in '49
An' went to Detroit workin' on a 'sembly line
The first year they had me puttin' wheels on cadillacs

Every day I'd watch them beauties roll by
And sometimes I'd hang my head and cry
'Cause I always wanted me one that was long and black.

One day I devised myself a plan
That should be the envy of most any man
I'd sneak it out of there in a lunchbox in my hand
Now gettin' caught meant gettin' fired
But I figured I'd have it all by the time I retired
I'd have me a car worth at least a hundred grand.

[CHORUS]
I'd get it one piece at a time
And it wouldn't cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style
I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is a round.

So the very next day when I punched in
With my big lunchbox and with help from my friends
I left that day with a lunch box full of gears
Now, I never considered myself a thief
GM wouldn't miss just one little piece
Especially if I strung it out over several years.

The first day I got me a fuel pump
And the next day I got me an engine and a trunk
Then I got me a transmission and all of the chrome
The little things I could get in my big lunchbox
Like nuts, an' bolts, and all four shocks
But the big stuff we snuck out in my buddy's mobile home.

Now, up to now my plan went all right
'Til we tried to put it all together one night
And that's when we noticed that something was definitely wrong.

The transmission was a '53
And the motor turned out to be a '73
And when we tried to put in the bolts all the holes were gone.

So we drilled it out so that it would fit
And with a little bit of help with an A-daptor kit
We had that engine runnin' just like a song
Now the headlight' was another sight
We had two on the left and one on the right
But when we pulled out the switch all three of 'em come on.

The back end looked kinda funny too
But we put it together and when we got thru
Well, that's when we noticed that we only had one tail-fin
About that time my wife walked out
And I could see in her eyes that she had her doubts
But she opened the door and said "Honey, take me for a spin."

So we drove up town just to get the tags
And I headed her right on down main drag
I could hear everybody laughin' for blocks around
But up there at the court house they didn't laugh
'Cause to type it up it took the whole staff
And when they got through the title weighed sixty pounds.

[CHORUS]
I got it one piece at a time
And it didn't cost me a dime
You'll know it's me when I come through your town
I'm gonna ride around in style
I'm gonna drive everybody wild
'Cause I'll have the only one there is around.

[Spoken] Ugh! Yow, RED RYDER
This is the COTTON MOUTH
In the PSYCHO-BILLY CADILLAC Come on

Huh, This is the COTTON MOUTH
And negatory on the cost of this mow-chine there RED RYDER
You might say I went right up to the factory
And picked it up, it's cheaper that way
Ugh!, what model is it?

It's a 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59 automobile. It's a 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66 automobile.

a big deal (2, Insightful)

Goldsmith (561202) | more than 5 years ago | (#25232029)

The next time some physicist is accused of misplacing (or selling) secret data, just remember this. NRL isn't just some lab somewhere, it's a military lab. While I'm sure this guy didn't want to go selling secrets anywhere, taking old hard drives can lose some scientists their jobs very easily.

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