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Toxic Fumes From Mac Pros?

CmdrTaco posted about 6 years ago | from the that-might-explain-john-hodgmen dept.

Technology (Apple) 267

Fanboi Killa writes "Apple is investigating damning claims, published in a leading French newspaper, that its computers emit a toxic odor containing chemicals including the cancer-causing benzene. Apple has not denied the accusations. Its spokesman, Bill Evans, told Macworld the company had not found any evidence to support the claim but Apple would continue to investigate. Posts on Apple's own discussion boards suggest the Mac maker knew about potentially toxic odors being linked to its computers as early as December last year."

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Don't worry (5, Funny)

Stele (9443) | about 6 years ago | (#25231581)

It's just the smell of smug.

Re:Don't worry (4, Funny)

wisty (1335733) | about 6 years ago | (#25231593)

Microsoft's response to "Mac vs PC" just got a hell of a lot sicker.

Help! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25232069)

This morning, I saw a girl walking a dog. Real fine piece of ass, USDA Grade A... long legs, right body, etc. I gotta get me some of that!

What the best way to approach her? Should I ask her directly, offer her money, try to be friends first? Please help, I don't want to blow it!

Edit: There seems to be some confusion... I want to have sex with the dog, not the girl.

Re:Help! (2, Funny)

MrNaz (730548) | about 6 years ago | (#25232303)

A nice can of Woof-O should do the trick. You can get the girl out of the way with a handful of gauze and a bottle of chloroform.

This piece of dating advice brought to you by Slashdot!

Re:Help! (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25232347)

FYI- You can't edit on Slashdot. Might want to update your troll.

Re:Don't worry (2, Insightful)

Masterwinks (1205100) | about 6 years ago | (#25232235)

Actually, it seems that Mac users are getting a hell of a lot sicker. Maybe they are taking a page out of Nick Naylor's book: "Although we are constantly exploring the subject, currently there is no direct evidence that links MacBook usage to brain cancer."

I just figured... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25231615)

...there was no Reality Distortion Field - everybody was just getting high.

Re:Don't worry (0)

Swizec (978239) | about 6 years ago | (#25231693)

No it's the smell of your soul sold to Steve Jobs for the mac.

Re:Don't worry (0, Flamebait)

elrous0 (869638) | about 6 years ago | (#25231839)

In an unrelated story, recent studies have show that the French tend to hate American companies.

Re:Don't worry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25232239)

In a related story, recent worldwide opinion shows that the American IT companies have good reasons to be subject to hatred...

Re:Don't worry (1)

MrNaz (730548) | about 6 years ago | (#25232341)

In a related story, recent analysis of Slashdot posts has revealed an alarming increase in the number of people who say what they want to say by framing it as the subject of an unrelated story, when the point they are making is, in fact related to the issue at hand.

Re:Don't worry (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25231881)

It's the paedophiles [wikipedia.org] !

No, it was me. Sorry (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25232167)

I was in the Apple store when I was in Paris recently, and I let an SBD rip.

Re:Don't worry (5, Funny)

MightyYar (622222) | about 6 years ago | (#25232539)

It's just the smell of smug.

God help us all if someone gets an Apple computer anywhere near a Prius.

Not MacBooks (5, Informative)

adamwright (536224) | about 6 years ago | (#25231597)

If there's any truth to it, then I'm fairly sure this only applies to MacPros (see http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=2319 [zdnet.com] ).

Re:Not MacBooks (0)

Malc (1751) | about 6 years ago | (#25231983)

Got mine in Feb. No dodgy smells. This story smacks of sensationalism - how about knocking the MBP for real reasons? The mains problems I had with it have been that it locks up frequently (especially when/after using Bluetooth, which is irritating as I use Skype for hours each day) or hangs trying to restart. Had to stop using the Express34 card I got from the Apple Store as that would cause it to lock up reading an external harddrive, and the Ext2 drivers from SourceForge also made it unstable. Only thing left on it that I can pinpoint for problems besides the Bluetooth is VMWare Fusion - whenever one of the VMs locks up (75% of uses), I have to hit the power button to make the machine restart. *sigh*. Bad as NT4. Anyway, I'm sure the benzene levels coming off it are far less risk to me than say sitting in a new car for 30 minutes.

Re:Not MacBooks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25232447)

And my Pinto never exploded. Not very conclusive there, bub.

Re:Not MacBooks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25232587)

>>Got mine in Feb. No dodgy smells.
Saw a so called serial murder today - he was not murdering anybody. I am sure he is not a murder at all.

Re:Not MacBooks (5, Informative)

orclevegam (940336) | about 6 years ago | (#25232623)

He didn't mean the MacBookPro (MBP), he meant Mac Pro, you know, the big desktop systems, one of these [apple.com] .

Seems there might be something to the report, but it's too early to say for sure. If it's correct then the problem is most likely related to either a protective coating applied to the motherboard, or possible some plastic pieces on the inside of the case (my money would be on the coating though).

So, to re-iterate, this isn't talking about any of the laptops, this is just the desktops, and even then not any of the iMacs (at least only Mac Pros have reported this problem).

Mac Pro not MacBooks! (5, Informative)

tarkin (34045) | about 6 years ago | (#25231603)

The article (and 'internets' hype) cleary state the problematic machines to be the Mac Pro (manufactured pre 2008)

Denied it? You bet. (5, Insightful)

HEbGb (6544) | about 6 years ago | (#25231619)

Saying "Apple has not denied the allegations" is sensationalistic, and doesn't belong in the summary. They "found no evidence", which, logically, is as strong a denial as can possibly be made.

Re:Denied it? You bet. (5, Insightful)

gunnk (463227) | about 6 years ago | (#25231733)

Read the article -- the whole thing is sensational.

Even if the Greenpeace lab did detect chemicals with known health risks you still need to know the concentrations.

You can get a all sorts of poisonous fumes coming off of anything with silicon caulk -- like aquariums -- especially when they get warm. Good stuff like toluene and ethylbenzene -- just not in concentrations that can actually harm you.

I'm NOT trying to claim there is no problem. I'm just saying that there is nothing from the article to support that there IS a problem either -- just some anecdotes and a bit of scientifically illiterate journalism.

With the strong smells coming off some machines, it is worth running a few tests to make sure that whatever is being emitted is not coming off at dangerous concentrations. In the meantime, though, not much to see here.

Re:Denied it? You bet. (1)

toQDuj (806112) | about 6 years ago | (#25232237)

Also, having proper ventilation in offices can prevent headaches and the likes... sounds like he didn't have any.

Re:Denied it? You bet. (1)

yttrstein (891553) | about 6 years ago | (#25232517)

It also has nothing to do with macbooks, but mac pros. Thanks for the accuracy again CmdrTaco!

Where and how well did they look? (5, Insightful)

Animaether (411575) | about 6 years ago | (#25231799)

``They "found no evidence", which, logically, is as strong a denial as can possibly be made.``

No, as strong a denial as can possibly be made is "That is incorrect. It is not true. Our products do not emit the fumes referred to."

All "found no evidence" means that where they looked, using their methods, they couldn't find the fumes.

I'm not saying they -didn't- launch a thorough investigation, but there's nothing in particular to indicate that they did, either. Certainly there's people with complaints.. unless they're all making things up, I suspect that their "[continued] investigation" will dig up some particular packaging material or electronics supplier that happened to have a bad batch.

Re:Where and how well did they look? (1)

JBMcB (73720) | about 6 years ago | (#25231897)

No, as strong a denial as can possibly be made is "That is incorrect. It is not true. Our products do not emit the fumes referred to."

The OP is saying, logically, they are the same thing. Scientifically speaking, not having evidence of something is as concrete as it gets, because, except for very limited scenarios, you cannot prove a negative.

Re:Where and how well did they look? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25232087)

"Scientifically speaking, not having evidence of something is as concrete as it gets, because, except for very limited scenarios, you cannot prove a negative."

Visually examining the tail pipe of my running car, there doesn't appear to be anything damaging to the environment coming out, so therefore, there must not be and no one can prove otherwise. ~Apple Scientist circa 2008.

Re:Where and how well did they look? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25232103)

Scientifically speaking, not having evidence of something is as concrete as it gets, because, except for very limited scenarios, you cannot prove a negative.

Please stop spreading your misconceptions about science. Scientifically speaking, there is a huge difference between "looking hard for evidence and not finding any" and "not having evidence".

Re:Where and how well did they look? (1)

fastest fascist (1086001) | about 6 years ago | (#25232179)

That assumes you actually tried to look for evidence. You can quite truthfully say you have found no evidence of X if you never even looked for any in the first place.

Re:Where and how well did they look? (1)

g0at (135364) | about 6 years ago | (#25232473)

That assumes you actually tried to look for evidence. You can quite truthfully say you have found no evidence of X if you never even looked for any in the first place.

I disagree. To find implies to have searched.

Look up the difference, e.g., between "see" and "look", "hear" and "listen", "feel" and "touch", etc.

-b

Re:Where and how well did they look? (3, Insightful)

Mendenhall (32321) | about 6 years ago | (#25232207)

Actually 'found no evidence' is the strongest possible scientifically justifiable statement.

You cannot ever prove that the machines do not, and have never, emitted such fumes, unless you have monitored each and every computer continuously with a perfectly sensitive detector (which is not possible to build...).

Re:Where and how well did they look? (1)

nine-times (778537) | about 6 years ago | (#25232361)

I think the grandparent's post is that it's as strong a denial as can reasonably be made. You can never really prove a negative. If you told me an invisible purple unicorn lives in my backyard, then, being entirely strict, I can't really prove that there isn't. The most I can really do is challenge you to provide some kind of evidence that there is.

In that kind of sense, if someone says there are toxic fumes coming out of a certain brand of computers, then the most the vendor can claim is that they've found no evidence to support that. They can't really prove that none of their computers have ever given off any toxic fumes. If they had a time machine, they could go back in time to when the particular computer was said to have given off toxic fumes, test those fumes, and state more conclusively whether those fumes were toxic. However, even then it wouldn't allow them to say they'd proven that none of their computers had ever given off any toxic fumes.

So yes, that they "found no evidence" is the strongest thing they can claim. And it seems like no one else found any evidence either. If this problem is serious and widespread, then someone should be able to provide some kind of evidence. Until someone does, I'm going to file this away with the invisible purple unicorn as "unfounded".

Re:Denied it? You bet. (1)

Geoffrey.landis (926948) | about 6 years ago | (#25231837)

Exactly. That's the problem in the internet age; an rumor comes up and spreads like lightning. The correct thing to do would be to investigate carefully and thoroughly, but doing that just means that the rumor mongers add "Apple has not denied the accusations!" to the rumor, as if "not denying" somehow substantiates the rumor.

The problem is, actually doing it right-- investigating the rumor with an open mind-- takes time. So they're really in a no-win situation.

Re:Denied it? You bet. (2, Informative)

ProfMobius (1313701) | about 6 years ago | (#25231861)

RTFA. The part about 'not denying the allegations' is part of the original article. It is not something the poster made by himself.

Re:Denied it? You bet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25231931)

Saying "Apple has not denied the allegations" is sensationalistic, and doesn't belong in the summary. They "found no evidence", which, logically, is as strong a denial as can possibly be made.

It's like answering the question "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

Here's a hint: yes and no are not good answers.

Re:Denied it? You bet. (-1, Troll)

Candid88 (1292486) | about 6 years ago | (#25232245)

Yes, but this is Apple we're talking about whose PR machine is in constant hyperdrive mode.

The fact they've "not denied" the allegations makes it even more obvious that they really know there's a problem. We've "found no evidence" is one of those terms that can be easily reversed once the problem's proved beyond doubt without as much legal and bad PR ramifications of a full denial.

Re:Denied it? You bet. (1, Insightful)

toQDuj (806112) | about 6 years ago | (#25232249)

Apple even replaced the power supply and subsequently the entire mac because of "smell". I call that a little service.

Duh (4, Funny)

faloi (738831) | about 6 years ago | (#25231625)

I thought we'd known that Apples give off ethylene forever. What's one more gas?

Re:Duh (1)

cyfer2000 (548592) | about 6 years ago | (#25231681)

Carbon dioxide and maybe some benzene and some other aromatic stuff.

Toxic odor??? (1)

ShadowOfMe (919646) | about 6 years ago | (#25231631)

I'm sorry but... How can an odor be toxic? Toxic fumes OK I can parse that but an odor? Next you'll be peddling aromatherapy. Keep science clean please.

Re:Toxic odor??? (3, Insightful)

RMH101 (636144) | about 6 years ago | (#25231661)

What do you think an odour is? Magic smell-waves? It's particles of the smelly item in question landing in the receptors in your nose.

Re:Toxic odor??? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25231709)

I think the GP means that the odour isn't toxic, the gas responsible for the odour is.

B.

Re:Toxic odor??? (3, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | about 6 years ago | (#25232129)

You want to know how an odor can be toxic? Try taking a road trip with Cowboy "It wasn't me" Neal.

Amazing Discovery (5, Funny)

archen (447353) | about 6 years ago | (#25231641)

Source of the reality distortion field revealed!

further studies (5, Funny)

RemoWilliams84 (1348761) | about 6 years ago | (#25231673)

Further studies show that the fumes also cause a false sense of self worth and belonging as well as an elitist attitude.

Re:further studies (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25231813)

They also cause people to become very attached to shiney objects and form a negavive attitude to anything which is seen as a competitor to said shiny objects.

Um... (3, Informative)

bytethese (1372715) | about 6 years ago | (#25231675)

Mac PROS. I didn't see anything about MacBOOKS... Wow, the flurry of misinformation regarding Apple products the past few days is staggering!

Re:Um... (1)

sarahbau (692647) | about 6 years ago | (#25232105)

I noticed this as well. I think there was a recent iPhone article that made no mention of MacBooks, yet had the tag "macbook" on it. Maybe people think "MacBook" is the company, like they used to think "MAC" was. That doesn't make much sense though.

erm... vista lcd? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25231683)

Am I the only one that noticed that in the article, the screen of the machine is showing a Vista interface?

Re:erm... vista lcd? (1)

Van Cutter Romney (973766) | about 6 years ago | (#25231847)

lol - i noticed that too ... talk about toxic!

Re:erm... vista lcd? (3, Funny)

Kugrian (886993) | about 6 years ago | (#25232323)

Am I the only one that noticed that in the article, the screen of the machine is showing a Vista interface?

The bad smell only occurs when using Vista on a Mac. OS X produces the stench of rainbows, roses and women farts.

Wait... (4, Funny)

whisper_jeff (680366) | about 6 years ago | (#25231715)

The smell has been variously described as "new car smell", "musty", "rotting carpet" and even cannabis.

So, computer geeks smelled something musty, rotting, or something similar to pot. Uh, that's nothing new. They probably just need to clean up their rooms and smoke outside.

Re:Wait... (5, Funny)

dreamchaser (49529) | about 6 years ago | (#25231843)

Maybe Mom won't let them smoke outside, you insensitive clod, so they are stuck in the basement. Besides, that awful burning thing in the sky is out there. I forget what they call it but it's fucking scary.

odor != toxic, environmentalism != rational (2, Funny)

Gothmolly (148874) | about 6 years ago | (#25231725)

So because some Frenchman smelled something funny, now Apple has to defend against "toxic fumes" ?

Re:odor != toxic, environmentalism != rational (0)

Malc (1751) | about 6 years ago | (#25232059)

What's the nationality of the person involved got to do with it?

Re:odor != toxic, environmentalism != rational (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | about 6 years ago | (#25232233)

What's the nationality of the person involved got to do with it?

It was a humourous jab using the oft-quoted stereotype of Frenchmen having a displeasing odour.

Re:odor != toxic, environmentalism != rational (0)

Malc (1751) | about 6 years ago | (#25232277)

It wasn't funny at all. In fact it's bigotry more often than not when used like that.

I've been to France several times and that stereotype doesn't apply. In fact the worst BO I've ever had to put up with was when I used to commute to work on the public buses in Denver.

Re:odor != toxic, environmentalism != rational (0, Flamebait)

db32 (862117) | about 6 years ago | (#25232317)

Well, when in France you became accustomed to the smell. When you were on the bus in Denver the scent you brought back stood out.

P.S. Grow a thicker skin.

Re:odor != toxic, environmentalism != rational (1)

MikeBabcock (65886) | about 6 years ago | (#25232557)

Telling people to grow a thick skin is not an excuse for being a bigot.

I see no reason for bigotry in the world.

Congratulations, plastic is dirty (4, Informative)

toQDuj (806112) | about 6 years ago | (#25231751)

Wow, what a discovery...

Plastic is amongst the "dirtiest" compounds in manufacturing. They commonly contain plasticisers, colorants, residual monomers, oligomers and solvents, all of whom can, and most likely will evaporate. Depending on the choice of plastic, this is much, little, odourless or smelly.

It looks like only the mention of Apple Mac these days will get your news posted..

B.

Re:Congratulations, plastic is dirty (1)

mpe (36238) | about 6 years ago | (#25232083)

Plastic is amongst the "dirtiest" compounds in manufacturing. They commonly contain plasticisers, colorants, residual monomers, oligomers and solvents, all of whom can, and most likely will evaporate.

They are likely to evaporate faster with a heat source.
I'd love to know how you could get any kind of smell without "odour containing chemicals" though :)

Re:Congratulations, plastic is dirty (0, Troll)

Winckle (870180) | about 6 years ago | (#25232591)

That's nice, except mac pros are aluminium cased computers.

Denying the Accusations? (4, Insightful)

Llywelyn (531070) | about 6 years ago | (#25231755)

Apple has not denied the accusations. Its spokesman, Bill Evans, told Macworld the company had not found any evidence to support the claim but Apple would continue to investigate

Would the author of the summary prefer if Apple denied the allegations without investigating the matter?

An apple a day keeps the doctor away? (4, Funny)

Loibisch (964797) | about 6 years ago | (#25231761)

Guess that one was misleading.

Re:An apple a day keeps the doctor away? (1)

Spatial (1235392) | about 6 years ago | (#25232465)

Oh no, it's dead on! After a few weeks you'd be so poor that you couldn't afford to see one. :)

Journalistic Integrity (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25231769)

""My entire room smells bad and I have had to resort to a few air fresheners just to be able to work on it," one report read."

"I recently have had a bird die 'mysteriously' which was caged near my MacPro which has had the terrible smell for months. The vet said it was likely he inhaled something toxic!!!"

Both of those "quotes" or "reports" are pulled from the Apple forum. With no follow-up, no real names, and no fact checking. I guess it's good that they did in fact link to the posts... I'm sad to see Slashdot posting this article.

Re:Journalistic Integrity (1)

toQDuj (806112) | about 6 years ago | (#25232185)

I find it weird that one brings a dead bird to a vet. It's not like the vet can "fix" the bird... Is this normal behaviour?

B.

Re:Journalistic Integrity (1)

TheLink (130905) | about 6 years ago | (#25232343)

It's not dead, it's just resting!

Re:Journalistic Integrity (4, Insightful)

Theaetetus (590071) | about 6 years ago | (#25232263)

""My entire room smells bad and I have had to resort to a few air fresheners just to be able to work on it," one report read."

"I recently have had a bird die 'mysteriously' which was caged near my MacPro which has had the terrible smell for months. The vet said it was likely he inhaled something toxic!!!"

Bearing in mind that this is Greenpeace, I'd be more inclined to suspect unwashed hippie stink.

Unusual manufacture, or sensitive users? (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 years ago | (#25231791)

I wonder if there is some particular manufacturing issue with certain mac pros, or are users primed to be unusually sensitive about their experience with expensive hardware? I ask because there doesn't seem to be anything unusual about the mac pro. Aluminum case, not much outgassing there, industry standard drives, RAM, chipset, chips, nothing there that isn't in 10s of millions of boring beige boxes. All the specific components, motherboard, PSU, etc. are presumably sourced from the same OEMs that manufacture for everybody else.

I can imagine that people would be more apt to notice galling details in a machine they paid over 2000 for, but I am hard pressed to believe that the mac pro is actually emitting any chemicals that numerous other machines wouldn't also be. PCB manufacturing isn't all puppies and roses, and everybody's PCBs are manufactured in essentially the same way.

Re:Unusual manufacture, or sensitive users? (1)

Wooky_linuxer (685371) | about 6 years ago | (#25231939)

Doesn't the MacPros in case use liquid cooling? Perhaps the container heats up and gives off some smell? I really don't know where could benzene come from a standard cooled machine.

Re:Unusual manufacture, or sensitive users? (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | about 6 years ago | (#25232113)

Some of the powermac g5s did, toward the end of their run, use watercooling because IBM wasn't delivering high speed G5s within an easily air coolable power envelope; but none of the mac pros do.

Re:Unusual manufacture, or sensitive users? (1)

itsdapead (734413) | about 6 years ago | (#25232093)

I ask because there doesn't seem to be anything unusual about the mac pro.

Well, its quite power-hungry "server class" hardware (Xeons, FB-DIMM RAM etc.) with an extremely quiet cooling system - so maybe a bit different from your average PC. ISTR that FB-DIMMs knock out quite a bit of heat (the Apple-compatible versions specify souped-up heatsinks on the DIMMs c.f. the standard).

But, more likely, brand name recognition means that hacks think "Apple Mac Pro gives off toxic fumes" just sounds better than "GenericTech BeigeBox 2000 gives off toxic fumes" or even "Shock! Horror! All electronic devices contain nasty shit and give some of it off when they get warm!".

Re:Unusual manufacture, or sensitive users? (1)

toQDuj (806112) | about 6 years ago | (#25232229)

I thought the mac pros had this airflow-shaping piece of plastic in their innards. That's a fairly sizeable chunk of cheap plastic..

Mmmmm smell that smell QWZX (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25231801)

That's just the smell of Steve Jobs' inner holiness which is infused into each and every Apple Product. Just put your ear next to it -- if you listen carefully, and if you are pure enough, you can here angels whispering their love from Steve's blessing.

If you're respiratory tract is being agitated and irritated, that is simply a measure of your purity. You are not worthy of that product, and in fact, you had better repent now. It's just a taste of the fire and brimstone is that awaiting you. Only through Steve's blessing can you be saved.

Praise Steve! Praise his goodness! Praise his purity!

'has not denied' is no proof of guilt (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | about 6 years ago | (#25231841)

It would be irresponsible for Apple to deny the allegations without further looking into it first. Having a knee-jerk 'we didn't do nothing!' reaction would concern me a lot more, because that would indicate at best a lack of concern for safety, and at worst a possible cover-up. At least now we know that they're taking this potential threat seriously, and if evidence is found, corrective action will soon follow.

It's from MAC PRO DESKTOPS not MACBOOKS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25231869)

From the link:
"Liberation cited an anonymous researcher from the French National Centre for Scientific Research, who had his Mac Pro desktop tested for the toxins after he detected a strong odour emanating from the machine."

ozone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25231875)

Don't most electronics create a bit of ozone? which has a slight odor.

Almost all plastics off-gas to some extent (4, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | about 6 years ago | (#25231877)

Just about any polymer used in a modern consumer good is going to off-gas chemicals to SOME extent, over time (it's probably even worse with "environmentally friendly" plastics meant to more quickly degrade over time). Singling out Apple is this regard is just petty. I'm sure you could find just as much in any computer made by a French company (not that France is ever going to complain about THAT, though).

Alas, it's only temporary ... (1)

Kiliani (816330) | about 6 years ago | (#25231917)

Got my new MacBook Pro last week. Aah, that wonderful smell of a pristine laptop ... but it's already going away :- b ... I guess running full tilt all the time burns the good stuff off too quickly.

But seriously, that's a surprise?? I would be shocked if you could find a (new) computer that does *not* give of toxic fumes.

I'm a Mac... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25231959)

And I will kill you!

Ratio (2, Insightful)

g0bshiTe (596213) | about 6 years ago | (#25232003)

I wonder what the ratio is of Mac Pro users that eat Taco Bell regularly is.

There could be a link.

The "Mac" in the picture is running Vista! (1)

Viol8 (599362) | about 6 years ago | (#25232005)

Either one of the journos really doesn't like apple , or more likely they're just a bunch of incompetent idiots. The whole story is a pile of **** anyway because ALL consumer eletronics give off tiny amounts of fumes from the organics in them.

Smelly iBooks (1)

Aggrajag (716041) | about 6 years ago | (#25232071)

Kinda reminds me of the armpit smelling iBooks. I recently got a iBook G4 which reeked like unwashed male armpit. After googling I found that replacing the keyboard would fix the problem and it did. Apple hasn't officially acknowledged this particular problem.

Benzene? (1)

Stonent1 (594886) | about 6 years ago | (#25232133)

Is it "fish shaped" ethyl benzene perhaps? If so I need some for a cake garnish.

probably not limited to macs (0, Troll)

bl8n8r (649187) | about 6 years ago | (#25232143)

I don't like macs, and especially dislike the mactard syndrome but it seems to me that any computer would be suspect of toxic fumes - ever replace a power supply and notice odor it gives off on powerup? A computer is basically an air pump when it comes right down to it. All the solder, wiring and electronic components certainly must give off some toxicity when they are 'baking-in' and the fans exhaust all that stuff right out into the room.

"Pro" != "Book"... (1)

plutonium96 (741938) | about 6 years ago | (#25232247)

tagged for bad title because it made me worry about my macbook pro, when the article never mentions macBOOKs, only mac PROs specifically...

List of diseases caused by Macintosh (1, Troll)

burnitdown (1076427) | about 6 years ago | (#25232289)

1. Elitism. We bought the Mercedes-Benz of glamour computing, so we're hipper than you.

2. Paranoia. We are the minority of computer buyers, and we spend a lot of money, so the rest of you are in conspiracy to hate us.

3. Effetism. We are supposed to be the nice, Progressive, hip and liberal kids, so we can't take a strong stance on anything but hating PCs.

4. Emo. We are from the enlightened future, where everything is how you want it to be, where a cute interface is more important than function.

5. Cognitive dissonance. I paid twice what I should have for this thing, I can't upgrade it, and it has big problems, BUT it has a nice shiny interface. Therefore, it must be better in some mythical way, because I can't admit I'm basically a computer user like everyone else.

6. AIDS. Unproven.

I see the "Apple psychology" as being damaging to computing, specifically open source.

The Apple psychology rewards conspicuous consumption and ideological dogma. It does not reward what open source gives, which is pragmatic function.

The more people use Macs, the more they drift away from reality. I know this post will probably be modded "Troll, -1" but after 23 years of observing Macintosh users, and 11 years of being one, this is why I stay clear away from Apple products: The Smug(tm) wags the dog of the user's psychology.

Lies (2, Interesting)

sogoodsofarsowhat (662830) | about 6 years ago | (#25232293)

It is greenpeace....why is this news. They are just a bunch of hippie-tree huggers pushing their agenda much like PETA. I would not believe anything these people say...even if they said the sky was blue i would get 2 independent studies done and still would not trust what GP was saying. /stupid lying hippies

Re:Lies (1)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | about 6 years ago | (#25232487)

Well, they`re hippies...so they obviously know what they're talking about when they say something smells funky.

The Mac Stinks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25232363)

Yet more proof that Apple stinks.

The dose is the poison (5, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | about 6 years ago | (#25232371)

That's all. Soap-box science is fond of the "X contains Y, Y causes Z!" without considering the exposure, which is the absolute be-all and end-all of toxicology. As a rule of thumb, the air around you contains non-zero amounts of anything you claim to mention. Your computer mouse could quite possibly have a whole molecule of deadly hydrogen fluoride on it. This will not kill you.

100 spin points to Greenpeace for changing VOC from "volatile organic compound" to "volatile organic contaminant", by the way. It's nice to know that I can order in 99% pure bottles of "contaminant" from Sigma, or indeed that my air freshener is busily filling my surroundings with "contaminants".

Related To Smell From Other Electronics? (1)

Bos20k (444115) | about 6 years ago | (#25232423)

I wonder if the problems I recently had with two cheap electronic devices were related. I had a small portable Emerson CD/Tape/Radio device which emitted a nasty smell. I would say it was a 'chemical' type smell but almost like it had an organic component to it maybe like stale BO. Sometimes I thought it was maybe an almond like smell? Anyway, once I figured out that was it, I discarded it. It had worked for maybe a year before doing that.

Then maybe a year later, last month, my cheap second TV started doing the same thing. It was a 27" Sylvania from about 2004. EXACT same smell. Very strange. It had worked for about 4 years before doing it too. No indication of failure except the smell.

Anyway, does anyone think I or anyone else with similar experiences should be concerned if we or especially young children are exposed to these types of chemical emissions from electronics?

Mind control! (4, Funny)

David Gerard (12369) | about 6 years ago | (#25232485)

Apple goods are infused with narcotic addictive fumes [today.com] , so you'll KEEP ON BUYING THEM. And you can't complain under the NDA. Because Apple is EVIL.

Oh Sweet Sweet Apple (3, Funny)

flappinbooger (574405) | about 6 years ago | (#25232507)

Sweet Sweet Stylish and Trendy Death, how soft is your grip..... [sigh]

Wow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25232609)

This explains the fanboi-ism.

Well Crap (2, Funny)

iamwhoiamtoday (1177507) | about 6 years ago | (#25232611)

Seeing as how I have both a mid-2007 Macbook and the new early-2008 Mac Pro... I'm somewhat screwed if this is true... :'( At least I spent all of my time in life on Slashdot, with people that really matter

Like, duh, dude (2, Insightful)

Cid Highwind (9258) | about 6 years ago | (#25232625)

What did you think that "new computer smell" is? Volatile organic chemicals, including benzene!

Once again we see that by mentioning Apple by name (especially in an environmental story) can magically make a pointless story into front page news...

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