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The Pirate Bay — "Just a Very Large Hobby"

timothy posted more than 5 years ago | from the but-robin-hood-wasn't-a-rude-hidebound-dreamer dept.

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praps writes "In a fascinating interview with two of the founders of The Pirate Bay entitled 'Are they baby-eating monsters or what?,' Swedish news site The Local discovers that far from being the radical Robin Hoods of the digital age, Peter Sunde and Fredrik Neij are actually 'polite, humorous and down-to-earth.' They may run one of the biggest sites in the world but 'it's just a hobby that's grown to be very, very large.' Financially, they are 'happy as long as it doesn't make a loss,' and both hold down regular IT day jobs. And apparently they spend a lot of time with a Bedouin in the Sinai desert."

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Baby eating monsters unite (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25235429)

Meanwhile I take piracy very seriously and treat my baby-eating as a hobby.

Re:Baby eating monsters unite (3, Funny)

that IT girl (864406) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236195)

Mmmm... babies. The other white meat!

Re:Baby eating monsters unite (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236315)

That's racist! I prefer dark meat babies!

Re:Baby eating monsters unite (1, Redundant)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236569)

African meat or European?

OK, sorry, maybe I'm taking this too far. :)

Re:Baby eating monsters unite (2, Funny)

DanielG42 (906032) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236453)

Only on slashdot would a post like this be modded insightful.

Re:Baby eating monsters unite (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236679)

Only on slashdot would a post like this be modded insightful.

Seeing as how the moderation system is unique to slashdot, you're probably right.

Re:Baby eating monsters unite (1)

that IT girl (864406) | more than 5 years ago | (#25237469)

Aint it great? :D

Re:Baby eating monsters unite (5, Funny)

Zwicky (702757) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236549)

Insightful!?

OK you've convinced me. I've just been out to the children's playarea and picked one up. How do I prepare it, just drop it into a pot of boiling water or what? Grill? Barbacue?

There is one advantage I have noticed to this: I'll cook it last as it is currently chopping vegetables. A HUGE timesaver!

Re:Baby eating monsters unite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236995)

Google "boiling frog".

Re:Baby eating monsters unite (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 5 years ago | (#25237279)

Google "bullshit myth".

Re:Baby eating monsters unite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25237981)

Babies can't jump... But they taste better cooked that way.

Re:Baby eating monsters unite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236807)

Mmmm... babies. The other white meat!

Lovely with a little lemon & Butter.

Possibly a nice Chardonnay...

fisp fisp fisp fisp fisp fisp

Re:Baby eating monsters unite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25237315)

Mmmm... babies. The other white meat!

Mmmm, baby back ribs made from real babies!

Jonathan Swift would be so proud.

First? (-1, Offtopic)

mockidol (1031242) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235443)

First? But yes, it is an interesting read. They seem like regular guys to me. Even if it is ay more profitable than breaking even.

Re:First? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25235539)

sloppy seconds for you! Speaking of which, I'm looking for another guy to bareback my gf (late 20s, white, cute to average) while I watch. If you're disease free, white, well hung, not too old, not too fat, etc, and live near Virginia Beach, let me know.

Re:First? (5, Funny)

Milkyfresh (1041360) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235657)

I'm looking for another guy to bareback my gf (late 20s, white, cute to average) while I watch. If you're disease free, white, well hung, not too old, not too fat, etc, and live near Virginia Beach, let me know.

I can meet 2 of those 6 requirements. Why do these tech jobs always have a huge list of required skill sets?

Re:First? (4, Funny)

genner (694963) | more than 5 years ago | (#25237197)

(late 20s, white, cute to average)

Cute to average.....dang I'm too good looking for the job I guess.

Re:First? (5, Funny)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235669)

If you're disease free, white, well hung, not too old, not too fat, etc, and live near Virginia Beach

Well, you've come to the right place for disease free and white.

Not sure how close our mothers' basements are to Virginia Beach though....

Re:First? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25237005)

Sweet, I'm in VB. Post some pics on 4chan so I can decide if shes worth it.

Re:First? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25237441)

Post a link to pics and I'll get back to you.

Re:First? (1)

reallyjoel (1262642) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236595)

I doubt that. I remember hearing Sunde on the radio two weeks ago where he said that they just barely broke even. And I frankly don't see where they would get wads of cash from, ad revenue is not great, and there are maintenence costs.

missing semicolon (-1, Troll)

yincrash (854885) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235501)

– there you go.

Re:missing semicolon (0, Offtopic)

yincrash (854885) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235511)

and i guess it got fixed. that was fast.

Re:missing semicolon (1)

etnoy (664495) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236075)

Hm... the /. front page as well as this page's title still shows "&ndash"

Though not fixed on the front page (-1, Troll)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235569)

Makes you wonder who edits this stuff. Oops .. I forgot .. this is /.

Re:missing semicolon (3, Funny)

xZgf6xHx2uhoAj9D (1160707) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235603)

An endash isn't even typographically acceptable there. It should be an emdash.

Re:missing semicolon (3, Funny)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235969)

An endash isn't even typographically acceptable there. It should be an emdash.

Wow, typography humor. That's something you don't see every day. =)

Next, an in depth discussion on kerning. ;-)

Cheers

Re:missing semicolon (1, Offtopic)

Col. Klink (retired) (11632) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236157)

As long as we're being pedantic, it should be an "em dash" (two words).

Some style guides do allow the use of the en dash surrounded by space, although the predominant english guides suggest using em dash without surround spaces.

It also hasn't been completely fixed, it's still missing the semicolon in the title element.

Re:missing semicolon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236269)

Nobody gives a fuck. Really.

U.S. Bailout Of Usurious Banks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25235515)

by BushCo [whitehouse.org] to help his fellow criminals.

Sincerely,
Kilgore Trout

Not radical Robin Hoods? (5, Funny)

autophile (640621) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235527)

...far from being the radical Robin Hoods of the digital age, Peter Sunde and Fredrik Neij are actually 'polite, humorous and down-to-earth.'

What, did they expect them to be carrying RPGs, in small boats, off the coast of Somalia or something?

Re:Not radical Robin Hoods? (4, Funny)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235581)

I've heard conflicting stories about those (real) pirates. Some say they are protecting their waters that were being over fished by foreigners, CNN of course just says that they are after it for the money.

Re:Not radical Robin Hoods? (4, Insightful)

Colonel Korn (1258968) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235809)

I've heard conflicting stories about those (real) pirates. Some say they are protecting their waters that were being over fished by foreigners, CNN of course just says that they are after it for the money.

Well, they attack transport ships, and when they get a microphone their demands are for money, not less fishing. So...

Re:Not radical Robin Hoods? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25235847)

their demands are for money, not less fishing. So...

/Peter_Griffin

Uh... Can't it be both? /Peter_Griffin off

Re:Not radical Robin Hoods? (3, Funny)

orielbean (936271) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236543)

that's why they got the tanks - to protect the fish who have no thumbs to pull triggers with.

Re:Not radical Robin Hoods? (1)

RulerOf (975607) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235591)

That would certainly increase their sex appeal.

Re:Not radical Robin Hoods? (5, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235661)

There are plenty of RPGs on The Pirate Bay.

Re:Not radical Robin Hoods? (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235703)

What, did they expect them to be carrying RPGs, in small boats, off the coast of Somalia or something?

No, no that's the blue collar pirates. They were probably expecting some sort of pirate lair with all the booty (the treasure kind... really) that they're busy figuring out where to stash (dug down under the big X has a poor ROI), just like drug lords aren't exactly on the street peddling little white bags.

surprising? (5, Insightful)

pak9rabid (1011935) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235589)

Peter Sunde and Fredrik Neij are actually 'polite, humorous and down-to-earth.'

And does this surprise anyone? I think most will find that most people that work in IT are this way. Sure there's the occasional elitist that likes to think their shit doesn't smell, but on the whole I'd say most people in IT are reasonable, easygoing people.

Re:surprising? (2, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235811)

And does this surprise anyone? I think most will find that most people that work in IT are this way.

Most people are. The people on top (any top, IT or not) mostly aren't. I'm not sure what top they think TPB is on though, but it's certainly doing well at something.

Re:surprising? (5, Interesting)

globaljustin (574257) | more than 5 years ago | (#25237273)

And does this surprise anyone?

I could see how mainstream, non-geeks would get the idea that the guys who run a "piracy file sharing website" (as some in the MSM portray it) would look like that picture of Stallman from that /. story a few days ago...you know...stereotypical "anti-establishment" look...scraggly beard, Castro hat, dread locks or green-colored hair...

Geeks shouldn't be surprised at all...but people who are on the outside looking in only have what they've heard in news reports to guide their perception, and I can at least understand why they would expect some anarchist types to be being TPB

Re:surprising? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25237399)

really? Most IT guys i've ever met are insanely introverted and prickish.

This just in: (4, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235593)

Hollywood's lawyers are just as committed to fantasy as their screenwriters...

Seriously, though, what would you expect the operators of something like the pirate bay to be like? IT guys with a strong(and probably slightly odd) sense of humor seem exactly like what one would expect. I suspect that they have a sheeple index far, far lower than average; but, contrary to depressingly popular belief, the desire to not be fucked around with doesn't inevitably lead to all sorts of outrageous depravity.

Re:This just in: (3, Funny)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235991)

but, contrary to depressingly popular belief, the desire to not be fucked around with doesn't inevitably lead to all sorts of outrageous depravity.

But, there will be depravity, right? :-P

Cheers

Re:This just in: (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236537)

You realise, of course, that using the word "sheeple" without a trace of irony invalidates your entire comment?

Oh like Robin Hood is going to TELL you (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235621)

It's called a secret identity for a reason. I bet if you check with their dry cleaner you'll find that they go through a LOT of tights.

the tent! (0, Offtopic)

Coraon (1080675) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235651)

hehe what do you want to bet that if the picture showed the inside of the tent it would show the pirate bays off site backup server...I mean even microsoft uses tent computing...

I was just reading (5, Interesting)

hey! (33014) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235677)

about the origins of the Robin Hood legend.

In the earliest documented version of the legend in anything like recognizable form, Robin and his Merry Men beat and rob a monk, then later on they decide to kill the monk and his page because they were afraid they would testify against them.

The whole system of sheriffs was a form of oppression forced on the population by their Norman overlords -- that much the later legends sort of get right. Monasticism was a byproduct of a Christian society in which the highest echelons made their living by murder, robbery and extortion, and in which sins could be expunged through gifts to the church. The history of medieval monasticism was a story of reformist zeal followed by rapid accumulation of wealth and corruption, recapitulated over and over again.

But notice: While it's obvious why robbing and killing sheriffs and monks might be considered admirable, apparently this doesn't stop at that. Killing the page was considered quite as merry and shrewd.

There's a lesson in this.

When the law becomes abusive, it's too much to expect that resistance to it take the form of highly principled disobedience. Once defying the law becomes seen as just and right, fine distinctions like between a corrupt church official and an innocent child witness go out the window.

Re:I was just reading (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235909)

how innocent is someone who is immediately attached to a corrupt official?

Anyone that close to a politician for instance, who does not know what is going on, is either lying, or has an IQ lower than his shoe size.

Re:I was just reading (2, Interesting)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236105)

He may have been an indentured servant, sex slave, or something to that effect. More prisoner than apprentice.

Re:I was just reading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236153)

Careful... civilization has progressed too far to allow "guilt by association" to come back to fore. Let's give people the benefit of the doubt, even for something as unpopular as politicians.

Re:I was just reading (3, Interesting)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236171)

Well, you're going to get caught for the killing of that sheriff anyways, so why not?

Link to copyright: Well, you buy a game and it doesn't work. You instead go download a no-cd or crack.
Next time, you just go download the game from whoever has it and go get the patches. Why not? The no-cd and cracks are illegal.

Later on, after getting screwed with bad purchases one cant use and cant take back, one downloads everything they can. Movies, songs, applications, data.

The sites are easy to find.
BitTyrant - modded azureus for opportunistic sharing
WASTE - encrypted P2P private nets. high security for friends and contacts only
TOR - onion router for hiding ones tracks and researching things that are considered "unpalatable"
HTTrack - multi-platform friendly web mirroring
IRC - get a good client. Stay away from MIRC. Xircon, BitchX and others are usable as well as scriptable.

Using TOR or another onion router-like tech, one can use IRC and initiate file trading via those channels. One could highlight a drop of a GPG'ed package at any number of file dumps online. Or, they could send it via email split in X many pieces.

Let me know if there's anything that might be interesting to get. I could post links.

Re:I was just reading (1)

malignant_minded (884324) | more than 5 years ago | (#25237913)

The no-cd and cracks are illegal

 
Actually no-cd's are not illegal that is why places like gamecopyworld exist.

Re:I was just reading (4, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236329)

Which illustrates my point. As soon as the barrier between lawful and unlawful behavior is no longer accepted as just, a determination of "fair game" for one act spreads to circumstantially related acts.

It goes from "I'll get you," to "and your little dog, too."

Re:I was just reading (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236345)

I hope you're a troll!

"Once defying the law becomes seen as just and right, fine distinctions like between a corrupt church official and an innocent child witness go out the window."

Can you site any cases outside mythology to support your determination that, say, Ghandi's independence movement in India, or the US civil rights movement or the UK nuclear disarmament movement of the 80's or the Aussie Franklin river protesters, or greenpeace, or even PETA, or the East Timorese movment of the 90's or the Tuianemen square victims or indeed ANY OTHER group who believed that the law was wrong .... ... have ever failed to make the distinction in question?

I can't!

Govt agencies don't count; they acknowledge the justness of the law, but either have immunity or just break it anyway.

M. East suicide bombers probably don't have the logistical and technical resources to target the officials they'd like to. Nor, it seems, do predator drones.

No, highly principled disobedience is certainly possible at any time, and is not too much to expect from anyone who claims to have free will. I think the men you describe are typical bad guys, and decided that any witness is one too many, and you're trying to extrapolate something more absolute from the tale, like trying to pull a length of piano wire from spaghetti.

The lesson you claim is false and dangerous, and you are actively undermining people's understanding of humanity, compassion and morality.

Re:I was just reading (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236379)

So, you're saying civil disobedience never goes overboard?

If so, it can only be by definition, which proves my point.

Re:I was just reading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236737)

Nope; I'm saying that good people know the difference between corrupt officials and little kids, and of murder in general.

You the phrase "too much to expect". I submitted examples from history (and you know there are more) where a group of people have selected peaceful disobedience over armed resistance of any kind.

Knowing that some people will choose not to be part of the peaceful group is not a reflection upon those that do.

I see what you're saying but it doesn't prove your point; one of the reasons for C.D. is that wise people know that an armed struggle is morally corrosive to the protagonists.

If we try 's/defying the law/physical attack/' then I agree with you. Either ignorance, fear and rage lead to bad judgements, or circumstances force one's hand. You can't just switch back from armed insurrection to peaceful protest on the battlefield! Physical violence, like alcohol is far too commonly seen as a solution for problems when it is not.

Re:I was just reading (3, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 5 years ago | (#25237137)

OK. Timothy McVeigh. He thought the government had overstepped its bounds. He did not scruple, when attacking it, from blowing up a day care center.

The history of copyrights furnish plenty of examples where people who find the copyright regime to be excessive have taken liberties that encroach upon what they otherwise would accept as reasonable rights of copyright holders. In fact this argument was first made by Lord Macaulay in his second address to Parliament on copyright extension.

A modern example would be this: if a copyright holder makes it difficult for you to space shift an electronic copyright of a work, then plenty of people find a way around this, and don't scruple to distribute the fruits of their labor. Apple, on the other hand, has had great success by making their DRM less onerous to users, making space shifting relatively convenient and making it easy to recover your purchases when you no longer have access to the authorized machine. They also charge what most people regard as fair prices.

As a result, Apple has a huge number of users who don't look on the restrictions Apple has put on their purchases as punitive. It really is not that difficult to get around Apple's DRM, but there has not been an explosion in trading of DRM stripped tracks you'd expect given the ubiquity of iPods.

Re:I was just reading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236493)

Except in robin hood mythology they fought for basic justice, food, and shelter. Here you are fighting for Mariah Carey mp3s and Wayans Bros movies. Something tells me there's a fundamental difference between these things.

Re:I was just reading (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236903)

Well, not in the early versions of the legend. It's only as attitudes toward the law change that we get a kind of mirror-lawful Robin Hood.

Re:I was just reading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25237157)

well i suppose that if the law always served the greater good 'terrorist' would always be disjoint with 'freedom-fighter'

Re:I was just reading (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 5 years ago | (#25237381)

If the law always served the greater good, there would be no such thing as a freedom fighter.

However, your point is a good one. Terrorism is an example of how when people decide that a transgression is justified, they aren't to selective as to who is harmed by transgression.

I don't want to make this sound more mysterious than it really is. The fundamental thing going on here is that most people either are not very good at thinking, not inclined to question their own actions, or both. Once they get into killing outside some kind of legally defined sanction, they don't make up some kind of elaborate code describing who can be killed and who cannot. They just get on with it.

The same with copyrights. Once they decide they're justified in copying a work, they don't self police the kinds of things they do with the copies they make, or refrain from making copies when certain conditions have been met. They just get on with it.

Of course copying is not anything like killing, so you wouldn't expect people to put the same amount of thought into transgressive copying that they put into transgressive killing. Ironically, they usually do put the same amount of thought into these activities: zero, unless you count rationalization that what they are doing is right.

Re:I was just reading (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25237449)

Well, when *I* knifed the sheriff, I did not knife the page as well.

Tea in the sahara? (-1, Offtopic)

fprintf (82740) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235679)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCSaQeZEL48 [youtube.com]

My sisters and I have one wish before we die.
And it may sound strange
As if our minds are deranged
Please don't ask us why Beneath the sheltering sky We
have this strange obsession
You have the means in your possession
Tea in the sahara with you...

I don't know why, didn't RTFA but something about the summary about spending time in the desert with a bedouin made me think of this song. One of my faves from the Syncronicity II album. I think I still have it on vinyl in the basement somewhere in addition to MP3 on the Nano.

hobbies (2, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235719)

My hobbies include &ndash too!

Re:hobbies (1)

Wee (17189) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236085)

Seriously... just use a normal - like everyone else. Or, if you're feeling fancy, try two of them: --

-B

Re:hobbies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236651)

I believe he was talking about the RSS entry (He probably uses firefox to get slashdot RSS feeds, like me).

The RSS feed entry goes: "The Pirate Bay "Just a Very Large Hob..."

Re:hobbies (1)

neuromanc3r (1119631) | more than 5 years ago | (#25237863)

Nope, he was talking about the story of the title which contained "&ndash" instead of the dash at first.

Hobby on, dudes! (0, Offtopic)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235769)

... and keep sticking a weed up The Man's ass!

I tried to read the article... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25235803)

..but that thumbnail of two Swedish girls kissing somehow diverted my attention. I'm moving to Sweden.

Eh (3, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235821)

When people say it's not about the money, it's generally about the money. Sorry, TPB guys, but I don't believe you're not making a *phenomenal* amount of money from this thing. Note that they say they are IT "consultants", they don't have a normal day 9-5 job.

Which is great -- more power to them for making money -- but I don't buy this whole "we're just normal guys havin' a bit of fun" crap. They know that if they're seen as making tremendous profit from the work of others, they'll be seen a lot differently, socially and legally.

Re:Eh (4, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236025)

Sorry, TPB guys, but I don't believe you're not making a *phenomenal* amount of money from this thing.

I can quite readily believe they're not making money doing it. Where's the funding going to come from? Advertising? Well, maybe, but (a) all advertisers know that TPB's audience consists by definition of people too cheap to pay for stuff, (b) most mainstream firms probably won't want to be seen as associated with such a notorious site, and (c) I bet the frequency of Adblock Plus among TPB users is pretty damn high.

I suppose they sell the odd bit of merchandise from the kopimi store, but that must only barely cover their costs.

Full disclosure: I don't actually have the faintest idea what kind of advertisements they show on TPB. Adblock Plus, y'see. So I suppose it could be argued that I'm pirating TPB itself :-)

Re:Eh (1, Interesting)

gsslay (807818) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236151)

more power to them for making money

So there is absolutely no moral case for saying that the money their making properly belongs to the musicians who create the content?

These guys are leeches. Artificial middlemen not just creaming off the profit from others' labour, but removing every last penny and walking off with it.

And no, saying that the Music Industry is no better is no defence. Two wrongs do not make a right, and at least the music industry pays royalties. What do these guys contribute other than crap about being regular guys indulging a hobby?

Re:Eh (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236497)

A website? You know, the one people want to get the trackers from?

That's what they contribute. What's slashdot or TFA's site contributing except crap about these regular guys indulging a hobby, and a bunch more crap about other guys doing other different stuff?

They get the $ from advertising, so your beef is with any ad-funded site with unoriginal content then?

Re:Eh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236637)

So there is absolutely no moral case for saying that the money their making properly belongs to the musicians who create the content?

(Disregarding that musicians are not the only ones creating content on TPB)

Not if you ask me - Copies of The Content has zero marginal cost. Providing communication for distributing copies has marginal cost.

Re:Eh (3, Funny)

Hatta (162192) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236789)

If the artists want their share of whatever profits these guys make from free downloads, the artists should create a free download site and steal their business. The fact is, most musicians simply aren't willing to compete in that arena. If they want to leave that money on the table, it's hard to blame TPB for taking it.

Re:Eh (5, Insightful)

Grym (725290) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236947)

These guys are leeches. Artificial middlemen not just creaming off the profit from others' labour, but removing every last penny and walking off with it.

You realize the irony of this statement, right? Taken out if its anti-TPB rant, it quite easily applies to the Recording industry distributors. In fact, it almost better applies to them because TPB's so-called profits and effect on music sales are pretty questionable. Whereas the coercive and immoral contracts of the music distributors are widely accepted facts.

What do these guys contribute other than crap about being regular guys indulging a hobby?

The Pirate Bay provides a very valuable service. It excels at displaying what an immoral farce copyright laws and globalization have become. It is a modern day speakeasy [wikipedia.org] . The fact that they STILL (after years of press) get threatening DMCA requests, which do not and should not apply to them (being that they aren't subjects of the United States government) is very telling.

Blowback. If you clampdown too hard, people will resist. Hard enough, and they will revolt and maybe even seek revenge--justified or not. U.S. Copyright law has progressed far beyond its constitutional mandate. Article 1 section 8, clause 8 states the following: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries." And yet, "limited time" has come to mean 75 years AFTER the death of the author. There have been serious arguments made in on the congressional floor to construe "limited times" as infinity minus one day. In what reasonable way is that "limited"? Furthermore, there are countless examples where modern copyright and patent laws serve only to obstruct progress. Rarely do stated arguments even involve the actual mandate of patents and copyrights anymore. We speak in terms of losses to artists and inventors despite the fact that this is rarely ever the actual case (most copyrights and patents are held by multinational corporations) and not the intended focus of these protections.

"Intellectual Property" laws have become tools of oppression and exploitation. It should not be surprising that people are resisting them, even if such resistance has ulterior self-serving motive.

-Grym

Re:Eh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25237033)

I think artists should all get day jobs, and quit crying about getting paid

Re:Eh (4, Interesting)

Rick Bentley (988595) | more than 5 years ago | (#25237061)

I'm sorry, the songs have all been BROADCAST! They have been on the radio, you can record them and play them back at your leisure. The Internet just makes this easier on a massive scale.

The recording industry and musicians have NOT tried to keep their songs secret. Back in the day when the only way to listen to a song whenever you wanted to was to buy the LP, selling LP's made sense. Now selling/leasing/licensing songs doesn't make sense. I can transfer a song from here to Australia for no incremental cost in my broadband. No one had to burn a CD, ship something, carry inventory, or anything else for this to happen ... so why do they expect to make a margin on it?

If the musician comes to my town maybe I'll plunk down $120 for two tix to see him live, $50 for a t-shirt. If I really like him then maybe I'll buy a CD so I can get a quality lossless copy and album cover, or a poster for my room. But this stuff that has already been broadcast on the airwaves for free? I'm not paying for it.

Re:Eh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25237477)

All money they make is incidental and not direct.
They're not charging for subscriptions, they're providing a free service. Their only income is from advertising and emergency donations. If this makes them money

You make it sound like they're just the same as the guys burning warez off of the net, then selling the discs on the corner for a profit. This, in turn, makes you sound like an entertainment industry shill.

Re:Eh (0)

gilgongo (57446) | more than 5 years ago | (#25237735)

These guys are leeches. Artificial middlemen not just creaming off the profit from others' labour, but removing every last penny and walking off with it.

Are you saying TPB divert money to themselves that would have otherwise gone to artists? How is that happening exactly?

Is there no case to say that by allowing free and highly efficient distribution of artists work, they are in fact facilitating the conditions in which artists can escape obscurity and stand a chance of earning money they would not have otherwise got?

I for one would prefer millionaires made from helping any and all artists reach an audience (or die trying) than millionaires made from deciding which artists I should know about and which I should not.

Re:Eh (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236359)

Note that they say they are IT "consultants", they don't have a normal day 9-5 job.

Probably a bad translation. Over here, the work "konsult" can mean either "consultant" or "contractor".

Oh really? How much have you paid them recently? (1)

Fantastic Lad (198284) | more than 5 years ago | (#25237443)

Sorry, TPB guys, but I don't believe you're not making a *phenomenal* amount of money from this thing.

Oh yeah? How much money have you given them? Did you buy a tee-shirt or something? If its just a matter of selling ad banners, then I can see them perhaps doing as they say; breaking even. TPB isn't Google by a long stretch. It also sounds like they're paying tax on their income. And anyway, aren't the criminals those who download stuff? I guess the Swedish government could nail the TPB guys for being an accessory to a crime. If it's even a crime to share data, which has yet to be properly established as far as I can see.

Still, I wouldn't be surprised if these guys eventually went to prison. The Swedish government has already invested significant time and resources in their destruction, and after a while it's no longer about who's right and wrong, it's about satisfying egos and justifying one's job. And not being an embarrassment on the world stage. The TPB guys are playing with fire. If the Swedes are ineffective, then I can see private agents 'removing' the problem. Everybody knows Hollywood has no soul.

-FL

Re:Eh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25237861)

They must be making a *phenomenal* off all those visitors who are looking for FREE movies, software, etc. Just the audience advertisers want to target!

A very large hobby... (1, Funny)

Joe Jay Bee (1151309) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235855)

...which they make a shitton of money out of.

Hmm.

Any swedes willing to translate? (4, Interesting)

etnoy (664495) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235861)

Peter Sunde alias brokep, recently wrote an excellent essay about how TPB has been treated by Swedish media. For those who (like me) can read Swedish, the link is provided here [brokep.com] .

I don't have the energy to translate it right now, but if any other Swede would like to, please do. Until that, try the google translation [google.com]

Re:Any swedes willing to translate? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236197)

how can it be the the blog of TPB's webmaster is /.-ed?

Re:Any swedes willing to translate? (1)

Milkyfresh (1041360) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236933)

I don't have the energy to translate it right now, but if any other Swede would like to, please do. Until that, try the google translation [google.com]

Google doesn't seem to like that. I get this error - "The page you requested attempted to redirect to itself, which could cause an infinite loop."

So I copied and pasted just the text for the translator, here are the results:

Now I am tired of this. My respect for the media has disappeared, I do not understand what has happened.

Today I have been in the TV program SVT Notebook. And I am sick disappointed. Now I will explain how it is to be a part of The Pirate Bay. I'm really upset and this needs to be emptied out of me.

Last week I was on holiday in Iceland with my girlfriend. First holiday for quite a long time that did not include any element of being part of Pirate Bay. On Friday, I get a call from TV4 - caller to my cell phone, though I did not give them the number. They ask myself the question - "Why have you released pictures of dead children on your site?". I am Question's what the girl says on the phone and she explains that there is a records linked via TPB.

In FUP'en so there is obviously an autopsy materials and the victims' father had been sorry that it was on the Internet. Quite understandably, but unfortunately what happens when the paper becomes public. Such as TPB in the case.

I try to explain to TV4s journalist - "if there is any such material linked to the TPB, it is a USER who has re-released material, there is not anyone in the TPB to do it. TPB serves as yellow pages and has a list of numbers they can contact to find the material. We have not selected the material will be, made by users altogether. " Supplementary questions will, on different things, and three hours later, so be it trombone in the Swedish media in Sweden - "The Pirate Bay has released pictures of dead children on its website." TV4 knowingly makes a lie to the truth and it makes a huge media impact.

In the days that follow, we try to explain to people how the Internet works. We may also be responsible for everything that is available on the internet. Since the Internet is a replica of the traditional society as it is after all the inhabitants of both worlds, so it means that in practice, we must represent all evil. It is a role we often had before when our opponents (as is often the same media who report on us) think it suits their purpose well. The Swedish Radio I get called a terrorist by Ekots most respected journalists, something that previously only been Bert Karlsson reserved.

People believe in the lies and wonder why TPB choose to post any material on the Internet, which consists of pictures of dead children. It will attack, the death threats both by phone and e-mails, threatening to have his skull cracked with a sledgehammer. Then it will be time for the next lie: "The father has been e-mailing TPB to remove the photos and met with orespektfulla response." But - it was not the father. It was the partner. Without explaining who she was. And not an e-mail, but the 60 pcs. From various e-mail addresses (aka spam). Some right unpleasant, and they first received the usual response if the policy. In the end, so varnished our moderator out of everything spammande and writes them fateful words - "It was a fucking nyah, no, no and no again." I honestly can understand that it is responsible for a lot of spam from a stubborn person who does not explained his original position, or who have been especially nice. Especially if you are a young guy who burns for what you tweaking and face a wall of ignorance. It was produced in the media that we in the TPB is totally disconnected from the emotion and morality. Nothing could be further from the truth but there is no chance to show people how it is.

In order to bring down the rush and hatred we decide to try to face the best and make something useful of it. As we always do we put up in the media to try to get our image. All the media choose to take moralpanik angle and ask ourselves whether it was smart that we had done. That we had not done an IOTA was nobody cared about. When you try to explain it, you are countered with arguments that it is quibbling about it is we, or any published material.

Nobody cares about contacting the prosecutor in the case and ask why this is not confidential images. Instead, we are accused of risking to restrict freedom of expression with our inability to not be able to control the Internet. We are assigned a task that can not. And when telescopic on the opportunities available, we see that the best thing to do out of respect for the father to a couple of dead children are not doing anything at all. Internet can not censor, we know the best of all. I call the father but can only get his mother. She seems sensible (very sensible I would add) and listening respectfully to what I say. Although it is emotional, and so is it so that it seems that she can respect our views on this matter and try to listen to logic and take the step outside. I ask her health of her son that if he wants to talk to us, so there I am on the phone. My numbers down down by his mother. I feel proud of myself even though I am not done anything to get into the situation might nevertheless be adult enough to try to help someone else in her grief. Although people have been thrown shit at all in Swedish media for no reason.

TV caller. Newspapers calling. Radio callers. I put up in most radio programs, set up in the newspapers we are not blacklisted, but declines to TV. This is because it often resulted in the earlier jousting. We do not want to hold up when you think there'll be something productive out of it. We have been in the turn before and been blamed for everything that we do not ever dreamed. Media in which there is no room for further debauchery does not work. Our topic is too big. News system is too complicated.

Manne Fridell on SVT Notebook, please contact me. They want to make a feature that will try to raise the level of debate. I is promised to be of high quality. I have a lot of respect for the SVT, says curiously "yes with reservations". I want to know who will be in the debate. Earlier, I learned that it would be opposed to throwing pie or do not stick to the substance. It mentioned a bad cnn-journalist who still seems to be interested in the subject. Then determined an old press ombudsman, who has been working with one of the issues for many years. "Interestingly, although it could have been a little more time spent", I think.

"Subject" I mean that I want to participate in the debate only if it is about the core issue of what happens to materials now that the Internet is - you know, this news which only existed since 60talet. I know that there are infertile, and impossible to debate a question of fact where there are dead children involved. My experience has taught me that when there is a high sensitive issue, so goes the not discuss when it is timely, given the lack of objectivity in the whole.

I have not had any children killed, so I is not worth the same sympathy and feelings as the father in the case. It is not something I require, but it is the reality. Therefore, I would point out directly to Manne on SVT - "I can be in a debate on the issue, but I do not want to sit on TV and discuss Arboga case. I do not want to be included in the program if the father is because there is no way to conduct a fruitful debate on an issue when the other party have had their children murdered.. " Manne says he understands and promise that the father not to be with, and that it will only be a debate in which the matter is to find out why it's been kind of fuss last week about the case. And what the consequences will be. Still have not talked to the prosecutor as to why the images are not secret.

Given all the negative things written about us (and I mean us as a people, because TPB is synonymous in the media with us) so it feels good to one of the few independent media, SVT, choose to take up the issue. SVT usually do good things, reveals nasty people, jumping on those who made mistakes. Now you could get a chance to get an awl in the weather, perhaps make people understand what TPB is, what we do and who I am myself. Debate program seems like a sensible, objective platform.

During the time that I know after about Debate is good or not, the police notify us TV4. We also notifies TV4 to review mentioned. We know, since long before, it usually does not cause anybody any, and what you can get out of it is largely an excuse for some months in a program at obscure times. But it seems likely that we will not put us flat and go along with the media's demands for censorship of a person who wants to share the material on the Internet.

And that is what this is rooted in. Media does not want to report that there are people who want to share material. They pick controversial site The Pirate Bay and put it together with a serious murder of two children. There will be a spectacular cocktail of headlines. When we choose to try to explain our image and trying to show that we are big enough to take some crap about someone else feel better for it, so we ask officially the father in case of apology for the answer he received. Without saying "although it was damn bad that you quoted that the sixtieth mail and that you are not told why you were so upset and that you were sick unpleasant" (The SVT Notebook says, moreover, the father of his partner sent a nice e-mails -- it was not the nice mail you received an unsympathetic response to either). The newspapers hooks on. It will be displayed publicly that we made a mistake apparently. Although the error now defacto is that we show empathy, we mocked for it. We are nerskjutna a couple thousand times in the media, although a few sensible people actually gives us the respect that we try to do something positive when we really do not even involved. Still have not talked to the prosecutor as to why the images are not secret.

Time for the next headline - "get pirate Bays advertisers to opt out so they change themselves." Apparently TPB when powered by a commercial purpose, which none of us knew. People rooftops that we TPB make money on pictures of dead children. Nobody mentions the newspapers and television (especially TV4!) As _faktiskt_ make money by writing about pictures of the dead children. Traditional media "reports on what the TPB has done" and making no mistakes which excite / links around it. Number of downloads of MGP via TPB has now gone from around 10 in a month to 20000 downloads a day. Prime time television time to send the advertisements on TV about how to download the material. Still have not talked to the prosecutor as to why the images are not secret. I talk to express and wonder when the rush around the children's death will stop. They should not, instead, we are immoral who can not control the entire Internet. And if we can not control the internet, we will at least ensure that self-censor us (though it is not us, we would censor) and ensure that read mechanism. Ie, throw all our own principles, ethics and our morals in the lake to show that we have ethics and morals.

From 1711 to me on the train from Malmo to Gothenburg. I hit a very nice triangle of people and discussing the subject. One of them is Thomas Bodstrom better girlfriends. I hope she really made my comments to Bodstrom. On the way up, I also agreed with two of my better friends to meet in Gothenburg. They will hang out with and watch the debate. I contact the SVT, asking them to organize place in the studio. The hospitality is good.

Once they have arrived in GBG we go out to SVT. Finance new premises. Good response. After some hour, Manne Fridell. He looks bekymdrad out. Manne sit down on the sofa alongside me and explains - "I know you did not want it, but the father will be in the program. Janne Josefsson will talk to him at the beginning of the debate, and shortly after that we will have a debate between you and old press ombudsman. "He says. I get pretty angry, because there is nothing I want to be with. You can not win a debate (or even bring it) where the discussion shifts the focus from substance to a situation where you have to show empathy. I have explained to me that the phone call between father and Janne Josefsson to Karl Palmas have a little monologue. I ask Manne check out exactly how the script is. He will return immediately "he said, as he does not. He explains a little quick in passing, however, that it added a new person in the debate - a writer who apparently has some audiobook out that she is not happy that it is linked from TPB. But it should not be any danger.

A little later we go into the studio. I am happy, hopeful and feel that it might be nice to have a debate on a higher level than "his children died, you have to feel sorry for him and throw all your own ideals in the lake because his pain is more important than your work" . I just want to emphasize one more time - I'm not empatilÃs, I just want to take the next step, the debate is constructive and can see that things are not mistakes next time. First, it is a debate that is really sad giant - a debate was seen thirtyfold before. But apparently up to date. (Trivia exciting is that I sit alongside a moderate who did not realize the benefits of deodorant. if you saw the program as perhaps you saw me turn our noses up, it was simply because.)

Once my element will - so begins what I said that I refused to stand in. The children's father prompted emotional issues - and as if it were the most inÃvade in world history sent the microphone over to me and Janne Josefsson asks - "What do you want to say to the father when you hear this? ". Verbatim one from the scenario which I pointed out a number of times for SVT that I was not interested in setting up in. And now it live before a million viewers or so.

I will POP. My friends who watched the program and heard Manne Fridell promises that this would not happen (and it was really verbatim as I said I would not stand for) were shocked. They thought it was true, just as I sat in the studio. The idea arose - should I put myself up and in protest just go? Nah. Make it so would show that we are "guilty". The media is just blame me. Then it is best to take as little debt as possible. I make the best of the situation and explaining that I did not want to feed the media with more things on TPB and murder in Arboga. I was not even there for that reason, it was not even Arboga, in itself, but the discussions that occurred PGA Arboga which was why I was there. A sensible debate, according to me. Instead ports where I am, cheated and deceived by the only media I had no respect for. I do my best of the situation, to get irritated, and swallows a bunch of crap. I pointed out the case for what we think. Where we stand. I still believe that we are the only party that has been upright, principled and honest on this issue. I am proud of how we acted, but is ashamed of the media.

When the first attack is clear from Janne J and the father then sent the microphone over to an annoying writer from a time gone by. She apparently has a problem with TPB late before and I still do not understand, even now, a few hours later, what she had thought of the debate. She tafsar at me and trying to get an awl in the weather on a completely irrelevant lie on the TPB indeed would serve 19 million per year under the SVD. I can not go into things because I have done it so many times before (and even Pressombud Notified SVD for the article she quotes). I choose simply to ignore her with a "talk to the hand" gesture which apparently was very appreciated on the web at least. The next attack comes as a quote from The Simpsons - "will someone please think of the children !!!!"- påhoppet. "What would you do if it were your child?" Question thrown at me. Here I sit and think the debate (under the promise from SVT Notebook) should be about how we understand the Internet and deal with open government - and instead should I respond to hypothetical questions about the children I am far from the acquisition, which I can not possibly answer - and which is actually totally irrelevant in the case. After all, it is not I who published the material. It is the district court. Still have not talked to the prosecutor as to why the images are not secret.

After the debate, so I talk with my prospective opponents. I understand pretty quickly that he had not been something the resistance in the debate when he does not understand how TPB is working - or the Internet at large. He has tried to understand, unlike many others, and at least understand that the debate does not revolve around a single website. There he will be congratulated for.

When people started to leave so I can see Manne. I take the time and talk to him. Pretty strong words. I barking, to say the least. I am very upset. I explain to him how incredibly bevsiken I'm on the SVT - the only instance I am to have any confidence in today's media world - can make an ugly thing like this. I am not Ointelligent. I understand that it is aware that they have chosen to ignore my demands on how the debate would be laid for me to stand. Mannes orooliga impression just before the start of the program reveals it all. I am demanding to talk to the person in charge who let it suddenly take a very unacceptable excuses. I may talk to a woman who says that there probably is her responsibility - she blames, in turn, on Janne Josefsson where he was responsible for the program.

In about 20 minutes, I am - loud, the vocal version of which only I can get out of me - and explain again and again for Janne Josefsson and his SVT team how they betrayed not only my confidence but also the Swedish people by disrespectful to ignore what the the debate should be about. It was the tabloid format on the program. The program was about that I would apologize for what someone else did. Janne J apologize if I felt attack but think something has been wrong in the communication. He takes responsibility for itself and admits that he knows I did not want to be with the father would be with. I realize how stupid I was to relying on SVT would be a whit better than any other television channel in Sweden. That it has public service as interest - it is probably just as TPB has today. I barks and barks. My friends come down and points for Janne and his female colleague how this was handled incorrectly. Judge is out. I say out loud that I hope he gets fired - and I know he may of course not. However, there karma and it will bite him in the ass well into the future. Janne Josefsson as well. A man that I always looked up to, which was one of the few media personalities that I had any respect left for. He has now fallen so deep into my eyes. To exploit the situation and not just fool me, but continue to ride on the wave of Arboga murder for ratings, it is weak. And this of Janne Josefsson, the panel they believe can be trusted. I had not even been angry if he was opposed to my views, but to lie to me, so obvious, moreover, and believe that it is okay as long as you apologize afterwards is not OK.

The only thing is happening now is that people question the TPB. No one understands the course what happened behind the scenes. Nobody cares about it I guess. We are crooks. TPB is ugly fish. Nobody wants to hear the truth, it is not as fierce. We are Nazis, we are terrorists, we disseminate child pornography, we disseminate pictures of dead children, we serve millions on it and we are totally without emotion. We are quite okay to run over then of course, because we are so incredibly poor people.

Since no one else wants to give us the respect I think we deserved, I would at least tell the truth about some things.

We do not take out someone's pay in TPB, we are a pet project. I will vote far left (the first time anyone in TPB mention their political orientation, I believe). I am a vegetarian - a lot that I can not understand why someone must die for others to live. I donate money to rainforests, Amnesty, Red Cross, save the children, doctors without borders and a few other organizations each month. I am a blood donor, of course. We have trained national police in how to download files via torrents so that they can act on them tips they receive from our users and moderators existing child pornography. I gave away the money we collected to Sealand to various rainforest project by the way - it was probably not even the others on the TPB been told that you mention it. We have a filter on the TPB to not show porn because we think it can be offensive. It works great. [edit 2008-09-15: it is so that you have to log in if you want to see porn, it is up to each one. we do not remove porn, we just categorize it to keep a little cleanliness of the site]. Yet, we are thieves, bandits, bloodthirsty devils and terrible characters. Who says that we are there? I do not recognize myself somewhere in the media reporting.

Still have not talked to the prosecutor as to why the images are not secret. And no one has talked to uploaders on his cause to upload images. But he has certainly one reason, and the fighting, at least we are that he will have to have the right to have.

Shame on you, Sweden. And: shame on you in the media. Shame on you SVT. Shame Janne Josefsson and Manne Fridell. Oh!

They're taking it back? (-1, Offtopic)

Fulcrum of Evil (560260) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235871)

Pirates aren't warm fuzzy things - they're murderous scum that assault ships, kill the crew and then burn the ship if it's convenient. Killing one isn't even murder - more like pest control.

Re:They're taking it back? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236355)

In soviet sweden pest control you!

Very large?.... (5, Funny)

Angostura (703910) | more than 5 years ago | (#25235883)

... , or "avast"?

Re:Very large?.... (1, Insightful)

Lostlander (1219708) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236259)

The Best Things in Life are Free... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25235927)

... but all good things (that can be attacked by the RIAA/MPAA will) come to an end.

As much as I love Pirate Bay, the central website model can't last.

Systems like Cubit [sourceforge.net] seem promising. Hopefully in a years time we'll have moved to a more distributed model for torrent file search and delivery.

News for pirates, torrents that matters ? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236019)

While I hate the **AA almost as much as the average Slashdotter, I'm feeling a bit uneasy by reading this kind of news. That's one thing to criticize the whole IP scam that companies are trying to bring down to our throats, but it's another thing to sanctify torrent sites and treat their owners as if they were part of some sort of Jet-Set. What's next ? A new about how mininova's top uploader got laid ? How can we be taken seriously when fighting against the copyright nazis with news like this ? On the other hand, most of the torrent sites I use where discovered by realing Slashdot :)

Re:News for pirates, torrents that matters ? (2, Insightful)

Bragador (1036480) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236849)

You attach to much importance to appearances.

Bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25236219)

First off, there are several articles putting Peter Sunde (brokep) in the same context as one of the main uploaders, Tiamo. (http://thepiratebay.org/user/TiAMO/)

Secondly, if this is a non-profit hobby-business. Why do they need a outsourced (tax-free, tax is very high in sweden) israeli company to run their advertising network (slack copyright laws there)?

The Sinai Desert? (4, Funny)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 5 years ago | (#25236429)

And their favorite film is Donnie Darko, about a human with powers over time?

Crap. We've got a couple of Fremen-in-training here. Arrest them before they can cut off the flow of spice!

I`m a "regular guy" too. (4, Interesting)

ZDRuX (1010435) | more than 5 years ago | (#25237109)

I run a music torrent tracker. People are more than happy to pay me for the great service I provide which according to the users, is 100 times better than they commercial offering out there. And nobody is calling me names because I make a few bucks to pay for the server. I have record labels coming to me asking if I can "secretly" release their un-released tracks on my tracker and make it look like they've been pirated by a "warez" group so it looks authentic, because more people will download "unreleased" material and they`ll get the word out about their label. I have also been contacted by bigger labels asking me if I'd be nice enough to remove a specific song they've released because it`ll be a big money maker, and I do. None of these people including the labels and the artists want to go to court, and they're quite happy with having some of their stuff released on trackers, as long as the people downloading the tracks think otherwise. A lot of this stuff is NOT what it seems, and a lot of the times - labels and artists are on "our" side, but they can't say it and have to depend on my discretion. Many big-name artists have an account on my tracker, and have many gigs of downloads and uploads.. you have to remember, they are also "users" just like you and me. So this whole image of owners of the pirate bay being money-grabbing hooligans is absolutely out of whack, I`m a regular guy, you are - and so are they.
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