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Fossett's Plane Found

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the last-word dept.

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otter42 writes "Sadly, it looks as if all those crazies claiming Steve Fossett was still alive were wrong after all. The NY Times has the confirmation that wreckage of Fossett's Bellanca Citabria was found. Now it's up to the NTSB to tell us why this happened, although, statistically, dollars to donuts it was engine/fuel-related."

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That's really a shame. (1, Insightful)

AltGrendel (175092) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236555)

I'm sorry to hear that.

My condolences to the family.

Re:That's really a shame. (-1, Troll)

Goldberg's Pants (139800) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236785)

Still not sure why this is news though. I mean the headline could very easily be "Man presumed dead still dead."

Re:That's really a shame. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25237163)

It's news because the man is a celebrity, and when he went missing, the audiences of several large web sites were asked for help finding him / his plane on high resolution pictures of the search area. Also, he is/was rich.

Re:That's really a shame. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25237173)

It's news because he's been missing for a year+ and it puts yesterdays news of the finding clothes to rest as far as it being a hoax. People like mysteries, but they like answers after a while.

Re:That's really a shame. (2, Funny)

Ashbory (781835) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237257)

So true, just like when they found Amelia Earhart's plane last year. Major news outlets didn't think it was newsworthy enough to run the story at all.

He's still kicking! (4, Funny)

sharp3 (1195261) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236565)

No body was found, and was purportedly "eaten by animals". Conspiracy theories live on!

Re:He's still kicking! (0, Troll)

someone1234 (830754) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236605)

Well, if there are no bones...
At least now we know the ID wasn't fake.

Fuel / Engine Related? (1, Funny)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237027)

I think it happened because the wings were at an attitude that they could no longer provide lift.

There. I think the cause has now been sufficiently genericized.

Re:Fuel / Engine Related? (0, Troll)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237181)

He ran out of altitude.

Covers just about all eventualities...

Simpler still: (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237253)

Earth sucks.

Re:Simpler still: (1)

gnick (1211984) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237317)

No, it was Earth's gravitational field that was the problem. Suction is very different and is only occasionally a serious concern regarding air travel.

Re:Fuel / Engine Related? (5, Funny)

onkelonkel (560274) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237357)

It was the deadly Cumulo-Granitus cloud.

Re:He's still kicking! (1)

eggoeater (704775) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236693)

Yup. The conspiracy nuts will love this one.
Although, if you were famous and wanted to "disappear", this seems like the way to do it. The high mountains (~10k ft) prevented his plane from being found right away, and the lack of a body (or parts thereof) is easily dismissed in a wooded, snowy part of the country.

Re:He's still kicking! (1)

Theanswriz42 (458434) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236777)

I'm not saying I think (or care) one way or another but it is conceivable he used a parachute...I mean...this is Steve Fossett after all.

Re:He's still kicking! (3, Funny)

Ngarrang (1023425) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236821)

I'm not saying I think (or care) one way or another but it is conceivable he used a parachute...I mean...this is Steve Fossett after all.

So, maybe Fosset and DB Cooper are not kicking back a few drinks with Elvis on some lush pacific island paradise?

Re:He's still kicking! (1)

Theanswriz42 (458434) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236869)

I'm not saying I think (or care) one way or another but it is conceivable he used a parachute...I mean...this is Steve Fossett after all.

So, maybe Fosset and DB Cooper are not kicking back a few drinks with Elvis on some lush pacific island paradise?

Perhaps the mythbusters should do an episode on it.

Re:He's still kicking! (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236823)

I was wondering if it was possible he bailed out when he realised it was going down?

Will we find out if he had a chute?

have they looked *up* from where they found the money?

Re:He's still kicking! (1)

Klaus_1250 (987230) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236845)

Except he didn't have a parachute with him (which I honestly don't understand).

Re:He's still kicking! (1)

Theanswriz42 (458434) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236907)

Except he didn't have a parachute with him (which I honestly don't understand).

Was there actually any evidence of that?

Re:He's still kicking! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25237039)

Why do people think that small airplane pilots need parachutes? They don't have ejection seats nor do they have any decent way to bail out in an emergency. In the cases where you could actually get out and deploy the parachute properly, you would probably have enough control of the airplane to make a decent crash landing.

Re:He's still kicking! (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237375)

In the cases where you could actually get out and deploy the parachute properly, you would probably have enough control of the airplane to make a decent crash landing.

... and if you're planning on faking your own death, wouldn't you be in exactly that circumstance? Line up the plane with a remote crevace in the mountains so that the plane will have a decent crash, then open the door and bail out.

Re:He's still kicking! (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236981)

I think it's pretty obvious what happened here: Fossett was teleported out of his plane by the crew of a Starship from the future that used the "slingshot around the Sun" technique to travel back through time in order to retrieve him. They then took him back to their time in order to speak with an alien race that was accidentally destroying the Earth in its attempt to communicate with any daredevil billionaires that might be on the planet. Unfortunately for them, the Earth no longer used money, so there were no billionaires available, hence the need to fetch Fossett.

The evidence points so clearly to this scenario that there must be some sort of vast conspiracy covering it up, perhaps to avoid the embarrassment that would result from revealing that two of the Starship's crew members were able to infiltrate a nuclear wessel undetected.

Re:He's still kicking! (3, Insightful)

camperslo (704715) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236945)

No body was found, and was purportedly "eaten by animals". Conspiracy theories live on!

Kudos to hiker that turned in what he found. I suspect many people would not have turned in the thousand dollars or so in cash had they made the discovery.

Re:He's still kicking! (2, Insightful)

Free the Cowards (1280296) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237201)

Maybe he found several thousand, and decided to turn in enough to be realistic.

Re:He's still kicking! (1)

jmorkel (952809) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237303)

He's probably going to make a lot more from his 15 minutes of fame. Maybe even a bargain bin book? I kid, but maybe Fossett's widow will give him some sort of reward?

Re:He's still kicking! (2, Insightful)

osu-neko (2604) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237311)

Kudos to hiker that turned in what he found. I suspect many people would not have turned in the thousand dollars or so in cash had they made the discovery.

"If it's not yours, don't take it." Why do some people find basic ethics so hard? :(

Not to mention the questions that would come up when the wife says, "I wonder what happened to the $1000 he always kept in his pocket, just in case he needed some cash." (Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn't, but that's a big chance to take.)

I suppose you could take the cash and then not report the find at all, thus preventing anyone from even asking you that question, but gods -- the poor widow and all his friends and stuff -- you need to be more than just a bit greedy to do something like that. I think at that point you go beyond the average person's casual evil into the realm of real monsters. I don't know that there's really a lot of people who would go that far. I like to think not. Maybe I'm naive...

Re:He's still kicking! (1)

stonedcat (80201) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237327)

You are all fools if you think $1,005 was the full amount he found.

I mean come the fuck on now.

Re:He's still kicking! (1)

eclectro (227083) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236959)

Kicking as in "cryptmaster kicking" or just "zombie kicking" ??

Or weather, or health related (4, Informative)

drerwk (695572) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236577)

Steve, being a sailplane pilot would have less trouble with engine issues than most power pilots. And on the lea side of the Sierras you can glide an very long distance east provided the rotor turbulence does not get you.

Re:Or weather, or health related (3, Informative)

Rary (566291) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236653)

Other sources are providing more information. According to CBC [www.cbc.ca] , the plane slammed into a mountain.

Anderson said no remains were found in or near the aircraft, but said the crash was so severe that "I doubt someone would have walked away from it."

The plane appears to have crashed head-on with the mountainside before disintegrating, he said. The aircraft's engine was found about 90 metres from where the fuselage and wings were found.

Re:Or weather, or health related (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236917)

Which points to the probability of the crash being pilot error. OTOH, it is perhaps somewhat troubling that Fossett had in excess of $1,000 in cash in the plane, which makes one wonder if, indeed, any sort of foul play was involved.

Re:Or weather, or health related (2, Insightful)

fprintf (82740) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237101)

If you are worth his kind of money, I think carrying $1,000 is a non-issue. He was, after all, staying at one of the Hilton's places, and depending on where he was going perhaps he preferred to pay for fuel in cash? I dunno, I used to carry $200 with me all the time and that was when I was earning $22K a year. If I was loaded I sure would carry $1k just on the occasion I needed it (10 x $100 bills is nothing, same in my pocket as $5 and 5 $1s)

Re:Or weather, or health related (2, Interesting)

afidel (530433) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237133)

The dude was a multi-millionaire, him having $1K in cash on him isn't in the least bit unusual. Also the plane crashing into the mountain might be pilot error (likely), but it could also have been weather or mechanical problems. It's impossible to be sure until the investigation is complete, and perhaps not even then.

Re:Or weather, or health related (1)

gb506 (738638) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237213)

For people with Fossett's means, having a grand in your wallet is pretty common.

GTA: Inyo (3, Funny)

jbeaupre (752124) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237215)

Images of Grand Theft Airplane: Inyo National Forest. Poor dude getting jacked at 10,000 ft.

First Post! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25236583)

Go ntsp! Go ntsp! Go ntsp! Go ntsp!

Check your own logic before calling others crazy (2, Interesting)

MarkusQ (450076) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236629)

Last I heard, they were saying he appeared to have hiked at least a half kilometer from the crash site, to where his cash and ID were found.

This isn't to say that he isn't dead now, or that someone else found the crash site and (for reasons unexplained) took his ID and a grand in cash from it, then hid them where the hiker later found them, but the simplest explanation is that he survived the crash.

So the fact that they found the plane does not automatically make anyone claiming he is alive "crazy".

--MarkusQ

Re:Check your own logic before calling others craz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25236751)

It wasn't a survivable accident, according to all the news reports I've seen. Who is claiming that he hiked a half kilometer from the site?

Re:Check your own logic before calling others craz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25237271)

IF it was an accident (which it most probably is).
Conspiracy theorists can just postulate that he parachuted off the plane and is living somewhere.

Re:Check your own logic before calling others craz (4, Insightful)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236833)

that someone else found the crash site and (for reasons unexplained) took his ID and a grand in cash from it, then hid them where the hiker later found them

My guess would be that "someone" would have been something like a raccoon or a buzzard.

Re:Check your own logic before calling others craz (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25236993)

My guess would be that "someone" would have been something like a raccoon or a buzzard.

That certainly explains why when I'm killing rats and spiders they keep dropping gold and broadswords.

Re:Check your own logic before calling others craz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25237191)

bears

Re:Check your own logic before calling others craz (5, Informative)

texasandroid (692557) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236895)

The reports are not saying that he hiked that distance, but that his ID was found that distance away from the crash site. In an area with plenty of wildlife, there are many other ways his ID could have been transported that distance, besides him surviving the initial crash.

Re:Check your own logic before calling others craz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25237247)

It's also possible the crash could have flung possessions.

Re:Check your own logic before calling others craz (1)

Haoie (1277294) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237189)

Although it greatly diminishes it.

Not easy to fly without a plane, you know?

Re:Check your own logic before calling others craz (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237337)

Last I heard, they were saying he appeared to have hiked at least a half kilometer from the crash site, to where his cash and ID were found.

I saw several accounts, authorities say it was a "hard crash" as in "smashed into the side of a mountain at full speed" and that there is no chance whatever that he survived the carsh.

Madera County Sheriff John Anderson told reporters that searchers "found enough wreckage to determine that it was in fact the aircraft" Fossett was flying solo when he disappeared last September.

Anderson said that it appears that Fossett plowed head-on into a mountainside.

"The crash looked to be so severe that I doubt if someone would have walked away from it," said the sheriff during a Thursday news conference. The engine was lying about 300 feet from the wings and the fuselage, which disintegrated on impact.

"It was a hard-impact crash, and he would've died instantly," said Jeff Page, emergency management coordinator for Lyon County, Nev., who assisted the search.

Crews confirmed about 11 p.m. Wednesday that the tail number matched the one on Fossett's single-engine Bellanca, according to Anderson.

I think the cliff he hit was the problem (5, Informative)

frith01 (1118539) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236635)

At that high an altitude, if you get clouds/ fog, you can run into a mountain at 10,000 feet, even if you're a good pilot ( who forgot to check his map).

NTSB said that the wreckage looked like high velocity impact, with little chance of survival.

Re:I think the cliff he hit was the problem (1)

tgatliff (311583) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237193)

Exactly... An engine failure in something as slow as a Citabria would be easy to to "pancake" as they call it. Chances are he never saw the mountain which is very easy to happen..

Centipedes? In my v... (-1, Offtopic)

Ceriel Nosforit (682174) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236645)

Mainstream news? On my Slashdot? Wtf?

Pilot Error... (0)

kabocox (199019) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236647)

I'd bet Pilot Error before anything else.

NO BODY FOUND != ALIVE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25236655)

It's not like he's a famous DJ or something...

Too early for amature guesses. (3, Interesting)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236659)

I don't know what it is but the end result looks like controlled flight into the ground.
Fossett was a very good pilot. An engine failure at altitude would have given him enough time to send out a distress call unless he was very close the ground when it happened. So maybe but it could have been any number of things. From the report of the crash it sounds like it hit hard and fast.
For the family this is probably a relief since now they can have some closure hopefully.

Dollars to Donuts I say... (4, Funny)

clonan (64380) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236673)

Now it's up to the NTSB to tell us why this happened, although, statistically, dollars to donuts it was engine/fuel-related.

Dollars to donuts the CRASH was gravity related...the engine/fuel is just a side problem!

Re:Dollars to Donuts I say... (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236889)

Dollars to donuts the CRASH was gravity related...

Oh, there you go pushing your little pet "theories" again....

Re:Dollars to Donuts I say... (4, Funny)

curiosity (152527) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237135)

Exactly. Gravity is just an unproven theory. Intelligent Falling [theonion.com] is clearly to blame.

Re:Dollars to Donuts I say... (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237355)

Gravity pulled him down. But inertia and the fact that two objects can't occupy the same space at the same time were responsible for the physical damage caused by that sudden stop at the end. DAMN YOU PHYSICS!

Wrong about Fossett, wrong about Reiser... (5, Funny)

nweaver (113078) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236675)

What are the random internet nutcases right about anymore?

Re:Wrong about Fossett, wrong about Reiser... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25236769)

Only Slashdotters

Re:Wrong about Fossett, wrong about Reiser... (2, Funny)

fastest fascist (1086001) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237075)

See, this is exactly the problem with the Internet. Now that anyone can be a paranoid crackpot on-line, the venerable, traditional lunatic fringe is being devalued by all these crowd-sourced, anonymous cyber-nuts. Used to be, you could trust a conspiracy theory to be utterly impervious to disproof by reasoned argument - Who shot Kennedy, Elvis' faked death etc etc. Now these dilettantes are messing it all up.

The world ain't what it used to be.

Re:Wrong about Fossett, wrong about Reiser... (0, Offtopic)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237295)

What are the random internet nutcases right about anymore?

All your base.
 
It turns out, it really does belong to us.

Wacky conspiracy theory (3, Funny)

Puffy Director Pants (1242492) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236689)

It took them this long to find the plane because they had to fake up a wreck!

I wonder where he was. (1)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236715)

In relation to the search we had on Slashdot some time ago, I wonder where he was. I remember looking all over trying to report whatever I could.

Also, unless it's changed, I don't think the nay-sayers are wrong yet. They found his plane but IIRC they have not found a body.

Re:I wonder where he was. (1)

texasandroid (692557) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237007)

In many of the reports they are saying it's quite possible that a body will never be found. In a wilderness area like this, with many, many hungry animals, bodies can get very quickly scattered all over.

What's with the wife? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25236733)

Is it just me or does the wife seem really really indifferent. Here is the possbility her husband's remains have been found, and she's "monitoring the situation"? The hell? Its not a weather system! Then again, I can't begin to imagine what she went through, so maybe this is an attempt on her part to keep her hopes from getting too high. I dunno, but really, does anyone else get this vibe?

Re:What's with the wife? (1)

Trespass (225077) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236847)

Is it just me or does the wife seem really really indifferent. Here is the possbility her husband's remains have been found, and she's "monitoring the situation"? The hell? Its not a weather system! Then again, I can't begin to imagine what she went through, so maybe this is an attempt on her part to keep her hopes from getting too high. I dunno, but really, does anyone else get this vibe?

Someone saying that they're "monitoring the situation" is a polite way of saying "thanks, I know. Now leave me alone."

she's had a year of these events (0, Redundant)

peter303 (12292) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236943)

Shes worked through them and moved on.

Re:What's with the wife? (3, Insightful)

westlake (615356) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237153)

Is it just me or does the wife seem really really indifferent.

.

They had been married forty years.

She surely knew how his life was likely to end:

In college at Stanford University, Fossett was already known as an adventurer; his Sigma Alpha Epsilon fraternity brothers convinced him to swim to Alcatraz and raise a banner that read "Beat Cal" on the wall of the prison, closed two years previously. He made the swim, but was thwarted by a security guard when he arrived. Steve Fossett [wikipedia.org]

Re:What's with the wife? (2, Insightful)

Ungrounded Lightning (62228) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237235)

Is it just me or does the wife seem really really indifferent. Here is the possbility her husband's remains have been found, and she's "monitoring the situation"?

Sounds to me like she told a newsie vulture to go away and leave her alone.

(I'm reminded of the school shooting in Oregon, where the news media descended like a cloud of buzzards and the students told 'em to go to hell - going so far as to moon them from a school bus.)

His bread crumb trail worked (1)

coopaq (601975) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236753)

That is my theory anyway.

Head on collision (5, Informative)

BigGar' (411008) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236779)

They're saying that the damage looks like he flew straight into the side of the mountain and that it was extremely unlikely that it was a survivable impact.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/02/steve.fossett.search/index.html [cnn.com]

Re:Head on collision (1)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237051)

Don't they usually have the option of ejection and parachuting in modern planes?

Re:Head on collision (1)

BigGar' (411008) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237227)

Eject,no, not unless you're in a jet fighter.
Parachuting possibly, depending on the plane style, etc, but you'd have to realize you were in trouble and proceed to jump out. Perhaps he had a heart attack, stroke or otherwise wasn't in control of the plane when it collided. Perhaps he didn't have time to get out once he realized his situation, or he stayed at the helm trying to correct it the whole way it. That there was a lack of communications from him leads me to believe that it is likely that he had a an infarction of some sort and lost consciousness and died in the impact. They'll likely find some remains in the next new days but if they don't it it wouldn't surprise me a whole lot either.

My experience that day (5, Interesting)

mbone (558574) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236795)

The day Steve Fossett was lost I was driving from San Francisco
to Las Vegas by way of Barstow. Just after Barstow we entered one of those huge desert storm systems, a line of thunderheads
stretching North and South, and all of a sudden it rained so hard
and the wind blew so hard that it was hard controlling the car,
even when we slowed to 20 MPH. Soon after we left the storm, I
heard about the disappearance of Steve Fossett on the radio.

I have been convinced ever since that moment that that storm
killed him. I cannot see how a light aircraft could have flown
through it, and yet it came up pretty suddenly. Looking at the
map, I might still be right.

Re:My experience that day (0, Offtopic)

Legion_SB (1300215) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236911)

Is there a reason
why your second line of text stretches out considerably farther than
the rest of your post?

Re:My experience that day (3, Funny)

LotsOfPhil (982823) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237225)

because...
Haikus are easy
but sometimes they don't make sense
Refrigerator

Re:My experience that day (5, Informative)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236979)

I have been convinced ever since that moment that that storm killed him.

Barstow is 256 miles [google.com] from Mammoth Lakes. Granted, that's by car, but it's a fairly straight-shot route.

That's like saying a thunderstorm in New York City killed someone in Washington DC

Re:My experience that day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25237127)

Yes, the storm. Quite dramatic, from all reports. But localized. And, from a distance, beautiful--especially to a soaring pilot. Did Steve succumb to the urge to do some impromptu soaring, and get trapped in a killer downdraft? We'll never know for sure. In any event, he apparently died quickly.

Re:My experience that day (1)

Free the Cowards (1280296) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237325)

Any glider pilot with half a clue who values his life at all will stay the hell away from anything that looks like a thunderstorm.

Re:My experience that day (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25237241)

We were somewhere around Barstow on the edge of the desert when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like "I feel a bit lightheaded; maybe you should drive...." And suddenly there was a terrible roar all around us and the sky was full of what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car, which was going about a hundred miles an hour with the top down to Las Vegas. And a voice was screaming "Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"

Then it was quiet again. My attorney had taken his shirt off and was pouring beer on his chest, to facilitate the tanning process. "What the hell are you yelling about?" he muttered, staring up at the sun with his eyes closed and covered with wraparound Spanish sunglasses. "Never mind," I said. "It's your turn to drive." I hit the brakes and aimed the Great Red Shark toward the shoulder of the highway. No point mentioning those bats, I thought. The poor bastard will see them soon enough.

The area (4, Informative)

PhotoGuy (189467) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236797)

As mentioned in another post, as best as I can tell from the news articles, this [gass.ca] is a Google Earth view of the area he went down. The Minaret Lake area is where the hiker found his ID and money, and the Minaret Peak is near where his plane hit.

Google Maps/Earth (1)

sirroc (1157745) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236811)

I remember a short time after the crash google posted fresh satellite photos of that region. Has anyone checked google's photos vs where the crash was found? Could we even have seen it?

Re:Google Maps/Earth (1)

Klaus_1250 (987230) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236969)

No, the crash area fell just outside of that region. And you won't be able to spot it on the current Google Earth photo's either, as they still pre-date the crash.

Occam's razor... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25236839)

I think it is becoming clearer that Fossett survived the crash, and was shortly adopted by a bear, and is currently living in a cave, having forgotten his human status due to traumatic brain injury.

Maybe you need to stop being so dismissive of people who think he is still alive.

Re:Occam's razor... (4, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237091)

I think it is becoming clearer that Fossett survived the crash, and was shortly adopted by a bear, and is currently living in a cave, having forgotten his human status due to traumatic brain injury.

*sigh* More of this? You he's-alive-and-adopted-by-bears people are crazy nutjobs. It's the he's-alive-and-adopted-by-wolves people who have their fingers on the pulse of truth. Wake up!

It's called "Controlled flight into terrain" (3, Informative)

h890231398021 (948231) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236859)

See Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] .

It's an all-too-common occurrence in aviation. It even occurs to big, commercial flights. For example, Eastern Airlines flight 401 [wikipedia.org] (in 1972).

By all accounts his plane was equipped with an ELT and a radio. Presumably he would have used one or both if an engine failure or other mechanical problem occurred and he had some time while gliding.

Noone says why he's famous (1)

rsborg (111459) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236865)

I was like Steve who? Here's his wikipedia entry [wikipedia.org] .
Summary:

James Stephen Fossett (born April 22, 1944; missing September 3, 2007; declared legally dead February 15, 2008[1][2]) was an American businessman, aviator, sailor, and adventurer and the first person to fly solo nonstop around the world in a balloon. He made his fortune in the financial services industry, and was best known for many world records, including five nonstop circumnavigations of the Earth: as a long-distance solo balloonist, as a sailor, and as a solo flight fixed-wing aircraft pilot.

A fellow of the Royal Geographical Society and the Explorers Club, Fossett set 116 records in five different sports, 60 of which still stand, as of June 2007[update].

So, how close were we? (4, Interesting)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 4 years ago | (#25236921)

I, like many of us, participated in that mechanical turk thing a few days after the crash to try to find his airplane in satellite photos. Did we cover that area? I kind of hope not.

Re:So, how close were we? (3, Interesting)

Megaport (42937) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237219)

A summary of various comments above: it was outside the turk's search area, and google earth still doesn't have recent photos of the crash site even now.

The google earth blog [gearthblog.com] however has a kml file of the crash location [gearthblog.com] based on the no-fly zone coordinates and some additional guesswork,

I looked at it and couldn't see any wreckage, certainly nothing we could have seen during the search.

-M

Still some hope left. (1)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237003)

For the conspiracy crazies I mean. No human remains have been found. Clothing found at some distance from the wreckage. Enough to keep atleast 4 documentaries and a couple of movies coming.

Facts for the Conspiracy Theorists (2, Insightful)

mpapet (761907) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237057)

As someone that's hiked that area long ago, when they mentioned the search would begin on the John Muir Trail between Dorothy and Shadow Lakes. That is a *heck* of a lot of VERY rugged forest area above 8000ft. It's not like there's a long snow-free time up there, or a whole lot of people at any given time either.

That they were able to find the wreckage is awesome. That's one great reason why we pay taxes people.

Prior searches focused on land east of the Glass Mountains. Another *huge* area.

As an FYI, the area has all kinds of omnivores. I can't see how a pilot could survive that either. There's no place to land a plane! Let's say he does the TV-movie thing and tried some kind of bail out. Bailing out, much less walking out without intimate knowledge of the area are both very low probability events in that region.

You guys should get out more, especially the conspiracy nuts. It's a beautiful area of our country. If that's too far away, visit a nearby National Park.

From TFA... (3, Funny)

IronMagnus (777535) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237087)

Rusty Aimer, chief executive of Aviation Experts

I hope this guy doesn't own a gun... get it?

Citabria, huh? (2, Interesting)

meburke (736645) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237125)

I remember that about 25 years ago in Alaska we had a number of cases where the Citabria would crash because a wing came off. (And the Citabria was supposed to be aerobatic-certified aircraft. It just wasn't rugged enough for bush flying.) As I understand it, an AD was issued that should have corrected all the defects, but just knowing the problem existed is enough to dismiss early conclusions as to the reason behind the crash.

NTSB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25237175)

"Now it's up to the NTSB to tell us why this happened[...]"

Why does the public need to be informed of the cause of a private man's private plane malfunctioning? It's not a public matter, it should remain private. If Fossett's family wants to know the cause, they are free to investigate, and obliged not to make this a public matter.

So what about the 'crowdsourced' search? (0, Redundant)

slashmojo (818930) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237205)

Would be interesting to go back over the relevant satellite and other aerial pics and try to see why the wreckage was missed back then.. or did the pics not cover that area?

Why those links? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237223)

I saw this in the Chicago Tribune (and submitted it to slashdot, still pending) =/

There are links from the AP, UPI, the Salt Lake City paper; the news is all over. Why does the summary link to an international paper and a snarky British IT rag (the Register)?

I mean, if it's a story about something they found in Antarctica then IHT is a good link. If it's something about a British hacker then El Reg is a good link. If it's about Australia then an Australian paper os a good link.

Google News has this on its front page; [google.com] since this news item is seemingly in every newspaper in the world [google.com] right now, perhaps that's a good link.

Hell, even Fox [foxnews.com] is better link than IHT or the Register on this story, and it's on their front page like everyone else.

Do the submitters work for IHT and the Register or something?

My bet is: He jumped! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#25237263)

Engine failure, trying to control a landing, realized the impossibility due to the mountains, saw the lake, last ditch effort to survive by jumping.

It's a thought.

That's some lake... (1)

peachstealingmonkeys (1268936) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237335)

From TFA: "Mammoth Lakes is about 10,000 feet, or 30,400 meters, above sea level "

30.4 kilo-meters above sea level? Boy, I surely hope the lake isn't in the fly path of commercial airliners.. or x-prize space vehicles..

Thats... (1)

denmarkw00t (892627) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237343)

terrible, I'm sorry to hear it. Condolences.

On another note, that summary is terrible - "crazies," "dollars to donuts" - someone is DEAD and this is how it is reported? "It's been a willy nilly day, but Bernie Mac has died. I'm betting two shakes of a corn snake that it was related to a pre-existing condition - TALLY HO!"

1 foot = 3.04 metres? (4, Funny)

BandoMcHando (85123) | more than 4 years ago | (#25237345)

Hmm.... I'm particularly loving the math skills of the International Herald Tribune's journalists.

Mammoth Lakes is about 10,000 feet, or 30,400 meters, above sea level, and snow makes already difficult terrain largely impassable and could bury plane wreckage.

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