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MediaDefender's Parent Company Joins P2P Market

Soulskill posted more than 5 years ago | from the playing-both-sides dept.

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An anonymous reader writes with news that ArtistDirect, the company who acquired MediaDefender, has launched another company called PiCast for the purpose of P2P video distribution. The reader says: "This is a strange twist for a company which last year set up a video-sharing site called Miivi in an attempt to entrap users uploading copyrighted content, and was caught launching a DoS attack against Revision3, which we discussed earlier this year."

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40 comments

Not quite (-1, Troll)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#25255381)

Actually, from actually reading those leaked emails, it seemed they were completely sincere about launching Miivi as a P2P service. There was a single instance where somebody suggested bundling their attack software with it, which was promptly shot down.

Of course, that doesn't sound as exciting to the blogosphere, so people just made stuff up instead.

Re:Not quite (1, Insightful)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 5 years ago | (#25255423)

The blogosphere does not exist so people should quit using such a lame word.

Re:Not quite (2, Funny)

Nullav (1053766) | more than 5 years ago | (#25255667)

Really? Then what's that big yellow thing I keep seeing past the clouds?

Re:Not quite (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 5 years ago | (#25255927)

That's just Steve Jobs' ego.

Re:Not quite (1)

adona1 (1078711) | more than 5 years ago | (#25262357)

Cory Doctorow's balloon?

Re:Not quite (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25255441)

Uh... BULLSHIT.

I don't know what set of emails you read. But the ones i read sure paint these people as complete scumbags looking to entrap users by any means.

While laughing about screwing people over for what they were doing themselves.

Re:Not quite (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#25255701)

All right, so dig out one of those supposedly incriminating mails and show us!

Re:Not quite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25255893)

Go download the torrent and read them all yourself.

Anyone who lives in the us and is insane enough to post private emails in public after MD got the FBI involved, deserves to goto jail for being stupid.

Anonymous or not. I don't want those nutjobs looking to come after me for anything.

Re:Not quite (0, Troll)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#25256559)

Go download the torrent and read them all yourself.

See, that's exactly what I did, and what I saw in there was nothing about any entrapment. Every mail about Miivi made it sound like they were sincere about making a real, workable P2P system.

Once again, if you want to claim otherwise, post some proof of that. If you don't want to post the mail itself, just post enough headers to find it.

True or not, I don't trust them... (1)

Xenographic (557057) | more than 5 years ago | (#25259495)

Well, the nice thing is that even if they're sincere, they'll still be hacking & DoSing their competitors.

Oh, and I read those emails too, but I didn't see much about MiiVi at all, except when they were talking about the bestiality and child porn filters (apparently they have samples of that stuff!?!).

Unfortunately, MediaDefender-Defenders.com seems to have vanished a while back (it forwards to TPB instead of having browsable emails), so I can't really check any more. Yeah, there are torrents [thepiratebay.org] that are still around [thepiratebay.org] , but they don't seem well-seeded any more.

Re:Not quite (4, Informative)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 5 years ago | (#25255503)

TFA also forgot that MD also dabbled in the porn business [techdirt.com] for awhile. As for why this is news,I want to know any business that MediaDefender is in so I can avoid it like the clap!!! Let me put it this way: With all the low down,dirty,underhanded,sneaky bullsh*t that they have pulled over the years would YOU want their software to have access to your machine? Would YOU trust them with your CC? I'm guessing that is a big no. These guys aren't any more trustworthy than the ones writing viruses. And why hasn't someone busted their @ss for the DDoS BS? I thought that was illegal?

Re:Not quite (1)

phoomp (1098855) | more than 5 years ago | (#25255531)

Because it's quite obvious that the big content owners have significant influence over our legal systems.

Re:Not quite (2, Interesting)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 5 years ago | (#25256345)

Because it's quite obvious that the big content owners have significant influence over our legal systems.

Yet they still have no control over our illegal systems; thus why such systems exist.

If I pay for it, it's my system, I want to control it. If you want it to be your system so you can control it, don't take my money and hand it over to me.

(I know, you meant legal system, but your ironic typo left set quite a nice stage for me to make my point.)

Re:Not quite (2, Funny)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 5 years ago | (#25256903)

You shouldn't be attacking his incorrect use of a plural! Just because you're on the Internets doesn't mean you can clogg up the series of tubes(not to be confused with a big truck) with your hatred. The Google will cache those pages!

Re:Not quite (1)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 5 years ago | (#25259119)

Lulz.

Re:Not quite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25260457)

Did he? Last I checked there was more than one country in the world and hence more than one legal system.

Re:Not quite (1)

BronsCon (927697) | more than 5 years ago | (#25260805)

But only one over which they demonstrate any control. I'm pretty sure that's what he meant.

Re:Not quite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25255533)

It seems it's not illegal if they've got enough money. :/

Re:Not quite (1)

ion.simon.c (1183967) | more than 5 years ago | (#25261715)

This is slashdot. You can say 'ass' here.
TBH, I don't think that we've ever received an official visit from the FCC.

Re:Not quite (1)

Kneo24 (688412) | more than 5 years ago | (#25256315)

Yes, sincere so that they could flood the "market" with fake files, among other things. Nothing in the e-mails made it seem sincere about what they had in mind (nor un-sincere). All they wanted to do was distance the names from each other.

I can see why they wanted to distance the names from each other, but they could have spun it in a positive fashion if they wanted to.

In any case, would you trust any sort of service coming from these jackals?

Re:Not quite (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 5 years ago | (#25256575)

Yes, sincere so that they could flood the "market" with fake files, among other things.

I got the impression they'd be selling it as a more controlled form of P2P, that would have copyright filters and such in place to prevent the need for those kind of tactics. Whether they could actually provide that is another question entirely, of course.

In any case, would you trust any sort of service coming from these jackals?

Probably not. But it wouldn't be because of those mails. The mails made it seem a lot less malicious than what my first impression of it was.

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Re:planet/population defenders join creators (1)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 5 years ago | (#25289971)

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Strange twist? (4, Insightful)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 5 years ago | (#25255447)

"This is a strange twist for a company which last year set up a video-sharing site called Miivi in an attempt to entrap users uploading copyrighted content, and was caught launching a DoS attack against Revision3, which we discussed earlier this year."

How is setting up another scam service considered a "strange twist"?

Re:Strange twist? (1)

sleeponthemic (1253494) | more than 5 years ago | (#25255477)

"This is a strange twist for a company which last year set up a video-sharing site called Miivi in an attempt to entrap users uploading copyrighted content, and was caught launching a DoS attack against Revision3, which we discussed earlier this year."

How is setting up another scam service considered a "strange twist"?

It isn't a strange twist for them to be setting up a legit company for legit paid-for content either.

Infact, the only "strange twist" that could occur is if they went against their primary motive of chasing cash from their activities in p2p - and suddenly decided to support piracy in earnest.

Re:Strange twist? (2, Interesting)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 5 years ago | (#25256271)

It isn't a strange twist for them to be setting up a legit company for legit paid-for content either.

Given what they did to Revision3, which was a legit company distributing legit, free content, it seems like very much a strange twist.

Of course, if I get slightly more cynical, of course it makes sense -- good PR about them doing legit P2P, to counter bad PR about them attacking legit P2P. In fact, in light of this, the attack on Revision3 makes sense -- it would be an attack against a competitor.

Re:Strange twist? (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#25256121)

It's only strange because the editors did not give this story an 'isatrap' tag. MediaDefender and more specifically it's board spent too much time watching 'It takes a theif' and snorting coke when they should have been paying attention in law school.

Oh where Oh where is Judge Roy Bean when you need him. He'd bring Chuck Norris in as the bailiff, and ninjas as the jury, then ask the entire prosecuting attorneys team questions from an LSAT study book before each day of court to ensure they actually sent lawyers. I want to see Chuck escort one or two of them out of the courtroom for being fakes.

Re:Strange twist? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25256587)

The constitution demands that the jury be peers of the accused. Pirates and ninjas are not peers. You are giving MD an easy win.

Re:Strange twist? (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 5 years ago | (#25256711)

Obviously you do not know the legend of Judge Roy Bean. Ninjas are invisible, right? That's what the jury box would look like... empty.

Goatsex (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25255497)

Goatsex [goatse.cz]

You nerds love it.

Re:Goatsex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25257133)

We love watching the goat do that to your ass, its hilarious.

Re:Goatsex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25261321)

What does that have to do with goatsex? Oh, wait, I get it - Grotesque Open Anus That Shocks Everyone! And yet, like a war veteran numbed by years of killing, it seems that images of superhumanly-stretched assholes don't seem to really affect me anymore.

Re:Goatsex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25262139)

Considering everone has already seen it and been shocked by it already I can safely say noone is shocked by it or anytthing else trolls post.

It's a trap! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25255635)

C'mon... we all know it already - Miivi anyone?

Of course... (1)

bhunachchicken (834243) | more than 5 years ago | (#25255719)

if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...

Re:Of course... (1)

Ron_Fitzgerald (1101005) | more than 5 years ago | (#25255821)

if you can't beat 'em, join 'em...

I am more inclined to believe that it is a simple business rule to go where the money is. Soon they will have run their current well dry and need a new money maker to move on to. But I didn't bother to RTFA.

It's a trap. (2, Interesting)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 5 years ago | (#25256155)

If ever there was an article deserving of the "itsatrap" tag...

Not entirely accurate (1)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 5 years ago | (#25256689)

"There's nothing more difficult than trying to intercept a 3-gigabit file of a new movie release," says PiCast vice president of business development Jonathan Lee.

*cough* Other than somehow making your group of companies appear less-than-evil. Good luck with that btw, :D

Uhhh (1)

malkir (1031750) | more than 5 years ago | (#25258167)

IT'S A TRAP!

Ironic (1)

Greyor (714722) | more than 5 years ago | (#25260531)

Doesn't this seem like a huge conflict of interests to anyone?

"Defending" media (ha ha); now they're making their job easier... entrapment perhaps?
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