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Election Dirty Tricks About To Begin

kdawson posted more than 5 years ago | from the pox-on-both-their-houses dept.

Politics 942

An anonymous reader writes "ABC is warning that dirty election tricks are about to start. In the past, they've ranged from late-night robo-calls to voter intimidation. ABC has a pretty good list of what to watch out for as told by Allen Raymond, a former Republican operative, who was reformed after spending three months in prison in 2006 for pulling some of the stunts he now helps to prevent." To make this story timely, last week someone broke into a McCain campaign office in Missouri and stole a laptop computer containing "strategic information" about the local campaign.

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As opposed to.. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284111)

Clean tricks?

Re:As opposed to.. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284179)

Clean tricks?

You know, the ones where the prostitute has had all their shots ...

No, the real trick (1, Flamebait)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284193)

The biggest trick is the one that Obama is pulling. The one that makes us all think that he is somehow a better choice because he appears smarter, cooler, and more articulate than McCain.

Re:No, the real trick (0, Flamebait)

ionix5891 (1228718) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284251)

he appears smarter, cooler, and more articulate

well that cant be hard to do, did you watch the debates? especially the VP ones were funny

Re:No, the real trick (4, Insightful)

Falstius (963333) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284419)

The VP debate was funny until I checked the news the next day and everything was about how well Palin did, saying that she even 'won' (politically). Then it was just very sad.

Re:No, the real trick (4, Insightful)

Amouth (879122) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284593)

i'm glad i'm not the only one who noticed that.. while she did very well compared to early interviews.. saying she "won" is complete crap.. all she did was add drama to things and put in little fear remarks when no one had the chance to question her on them.. such as the closing .. i wonder where she gets off saying we are all going to lose our jobs if democrats are elected..

Re:No, the real trick (4, Insightful)

Aerotwelve (1258546) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284649)

...But she changed the subject of the questions when she didn't know the answer! That's what a good debater does, right?

Re:No, the real trick (5, Insightful)

Kentaree (1078787) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284253)

Strange that, you'd nearly think it was a popularity contest... oh wait

Re:No, the real trick (0)

sraviik (1375785) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284421)

Strange that, you'd nearly think it was a popularity contest... oh wait

it was... you'll notice that both sides just spouted teh same garbage.. can we get a new party? how about the Slashdot party lol.

Re:No, the real trick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284515)

Real Doll for VP!

Re:No, the real trick (5, Insightful)

wanderingknight (1103573) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284501)

Man, I wish more Americans realized the emptiness of their "political" debates. The pointlessness of a two-party system based on false antagonisms and dichotomies.

Sadly, there seems to be no hope in sight. At least they will apparently not continue to dominate the world, if we go by recent events.

Re:No, the real trick (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284587)

Man, I wish more Europeans realized the irrelevance of their countries. The pointlessness of a N-party system based on false antagonisms and dichotomies.

Sadly, there seems to be no hope in sight. At least they will apparently continue to not dominate the world, if we go by recent events.

Re:No, the real trick (5, Insightful)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284621)

The pointlessness of a two-party system based on false antagonisms and dichotomies.

Sadly, when you look to countries which have more workable multi-party systems you often see far more political instability. Look at Japan, many European countries and so on - weak coalitions that are easily toppled as political allegiances change.

I'm not advocating a two-party system as perfect. I just can't see anything better in practice today.

Re:No, the real trick (2, Funny)

deniable (76198) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284571)

Well, it's not like their picking candidates for a beauty contest, now, is it?

Demagogues (5, Insightful)

Paolone (939023) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284345)

Dictatorships are run by dictators. Monarchies are run by monarchs. Democracies are run by demagogues. What did you expect? for the people to vote for the best candidate? no way. They'll vote what appears to be better for them. It's not like you can vote based on what you don't know... :)

Re:Demagogues (4, Funny)

quenda (644621) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284545)

Dictatorships are run by dictators. Monarchies are run by monarchs.

So I guess the US is a country?

Oh wait - that joke doesn't work in written form.

Re:Demagogues (3, Insightful)

miketheanimal (914328) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284553)

Dictatorships are, by definition, run by dictators. However, monarchies are not necessarily run by monarchs. Eg., Queen Elizaboth does not run the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Re:Demagogues (1)

elamdaly (590256) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284601)

Democracies are run by politicians, not demagogues. A demagogue is not an inherent part of a democracy, for he can exist in a dictatorship or monarchy. Not so for a dictator or monarch.

Re:No, the real trick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284383)

Well, McCain doesn't even know how many houses he owns, that isn't the brightest thing in the world.

Then again, if, like Obama, you only own one, it doesn't take much to know how many you own either...

In the nation of the media (3, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284459)

Appearance is 90%.

Re:No, the real trick (2, Insightful)

symes (835608) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284521)

Well, I'd say Obama's a fair bit smarter than McCain... with Palin coming in a very distant last place. Dress-wise, I'd say it's 50/50. Articulate - Biden seems to be the most fluent. But this is all from a UK resident who, like pretty much the rest of the world, hopes the US people vote Bush out and Obama in. McCain looks like he'd be disasterous - but if that stupid cretinous moron Palin has to replace a deceased McCain then bye bye USA. I'll ratchet up my Chinese lessons and forget about North America.

Re:No, the real trick (2, Informative)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284589)

vote Bush out

He's gone, regardless. He's limited to two terms.

Re:No, the real trick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284523)

I agree completely, sir!

If these last eight years have taught us anything, it is that intelligence and articulation have no place in internation politics.

Fucktard.

Re:No, the real trick (3, Insightful)

fifedrum (611338) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284567)

how about the one where that one side convinces it's followers that it's less corrupt than the other side, and (perhaps) takes LESS money from special interests, even though the full disclosure sites show they actually took at least as much, if not more money?

What bugs me about this election, more than any other, is that the sides are polarizing. As a student of history, this is setting off alarm bells.

Republicans and Democratics: Zelotry will get you in trouble.

Re:No, the real trick (1, Insightful)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284597)

That's some trick. So... how can you tell (through a TV screen) that someone isn't just *appearing* smarter, cooler and more articulate, but actually *is* smarter, cooler and more articulate?

Maybe it's a high-definition thing. My TV doesn't give me that sort of information.

Re:No, the real trick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284631)

It's not hard to be "more articulate than McCain".

Re:As opposed to.. (3, Funny)

Norwell Bob (982405) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284377)

Clean tricks?

Yeah. That's going to be on Cinemax, Saturday morning at 1:00, after the Red Shoe Diaries XXVII.

Well that is about as one sided as you can get (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284137)

and apparently typical of /. leanings to make even this category too useless to keep on my list.

And to think, people were worried about other articles turning /. into Digg, its crap like this that does it faster

Country First? (5, Insightful)

Bombula (670389) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284139)

Funny how often "Country First" seems to involve stealing, lying, and trampling all over democracy, law, equality, justice and the Constitution...

Re:Country First? (2, Informative)

kingsteve612 (1241114) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284309)

its how america was founded. cheating, lying, and stealing helped build this country and made it the best/worst(depending on who you talk to) country in the world. You show me equality among men AND women, and i'll show you a world where peace thrives, where war does not build asset to countries and where the constitution holds as much truth as the christian bible. show me justice, and i'll show you a world that does not put drug dealers away for life to save room for rapists and child molesters. show me democracy and ill show the soldiers in iraq their families again. you speak of a perfect world sir, but this world is not round.

Re:Country First? (3, Funny)

jabster (198058) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284311)

Funny how often "Hope" & "Change" seem to involve stealing, lying, and trampling all over democracy, law, equality, justice and the Constitution...

Re:Country First? (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284333)

They wouldn't do that if there weren't people ready to vote for them...

Re:Country First? (2, Insightful)

AutumnRecluse (1161421) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284403)

Funny how "hope" and "change" seem to involve attacking an elderly war vet because his injuries prevent him from typing. Funny how "changing politics as usual" involves attacking a woman's family and accusing her husband of incest. Funny... really...

Re:Country First? (3, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284449)

Funny how the first step in victimizing people is convincing them they've been victimized.

Re:Country First? (2, Informative)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284485)

Mod parent up!

+5 funny!

As a non-US person, some of these comments are hysterically funny. That one was great - I imagined some doddering old guy in some home for the aged, waiting to die, being mocked by those evil democrat politicians... And then I realised it was McCain you're talking about! Oh, how I laughed.

Bombula was trolling. You trolled back every bit as hard. Hilarity ensued.

dirty tricks (2, Informative)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284143)

like voter fraud?

CLEVELAND - Volunteers supporting Barack Obama picked up hundreds of people at homeless shelters, soup kitchens and drug-rehab centers and drove them to a polling place yesterday on the last day that Ohioans could register and vote on the same day, almost no questions asked.

The huge effort by a pro-Obama group, Vote Today Ohio, takes advantage of a quirk in the state's elections laws that allows people to register and cast ballots at the same time without having to prove residency.

Re:dirty tricks (0, Troll)

RemoWilliams84 (1348761) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284163)

It's just more of the same old tricks. The dead and house pets have been voting democrat for years.

Re:dirty tricks (4, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284195)

And computers have been voting in republican for the last 8 years your point?

Re:dirty tricks (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284443)

right... and the government has been hiding extra-terrestrials at area 51 since the 50s.

Re:dirty tricks (0)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284657)

Bullshit. The evidence of vote tampering is well-established. Diebold's even acknowledged that the machines can 'lose votes' which means that - given their background - they're probably losing only the 'wrong' (Democrat) votes.

Re:dirty tricks (4, Insightful)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284183)

Yeah. Because the homeless folks are jumping from state to state to get multiple votes.

Why shouldn't a homeless person have the same right to vote as me?

Re:dirty tricks (1, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284307)

If they're qualified to vote, then no problem. But having spent some time in Cleveland, I can tell you that many of the homeless and other groups they're targetting are illegal aliens.

Re:dirty tricks (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284381)

What is your source for them being illegal aliens? or just making up facts as you go?
I'm willing to bet it's the later.
They are simply guilty of the greatest crime in America, being poor. Regardless they are still human and if citizens just as worthy of a vote as you are.

Re:dirty tricks (3, Insightful)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284399)

And I personally have lived in the area all my life. I personally doubt you have spent any time with any of these groups. Basically, you see a group with clipboards talking to an Hispanic looking group so they are illegals. I personally think you are talking out of your ass.

Re:dirty tricks (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284405)

And you know because you've asked for all their papers? The fact that someone is a Latino and homeless doesn't make them an illegal alien.

'Sides, last I checked you had to prove citizenship in order to register to vote.

Re:dirty tricks (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284441)

I spent time on slashdot, I can tell you...

See how that does not work?

You pulled some scare lines from thin air and are backing them up with thin air.

Or should I say hot air.

Based on the polls of eligible voters in most states, McCain would be wary to have full voter turn out. He would lose. So guess what his campaign tactic is now?

Gallup Daily: Obama Leads 50% to 42% [gallup.com]

PRINCETON, NJ -- Barack Obama leads John McCain among registered voters across the country by a 50% to 42% margin in Gallup Poll Daily tracking from Oct. 3-5, the 10th straight day in which Obama has held a statistically significant lead.

This 10-day stretch of a significant Obama lead is the longest since he became the presumptive nominee back in early June, and the longest for either candidate at any point in the campaign. (To view the complete trend since March 7, 2008, click here.) Today's result includes interviewing conducted Friday through Sunday, after the Oct. 2 vice presidential debate between Gov. Sarah Palin and Sen. Joe Biden, and after Friday's passage of a revised economic rescue plan to help alleviate the Wall Street financial crisis.

McCain has been push polling and voter caging for months now. He does not want people to turn out to vote. His best bet is suppression.

And, sadly, he has sunk that low.

Re:dirty tricks (1)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284569)

Well, if you've got proof you can blow this election wide open for the Republicans. This would swing the whole thing.

So... let's just wait for that proof... I'm sure you'll be along any moment to present it. It's pretty critical, after all, and you wouldn't just be repeating made-up stories about something so important...

(taps feet, hums, waits...)

Re:dirty tricks (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284189)

Since it says that the law allows for this, the burden is on you to prove that any of the registrations were fradulent.

Re:dirty tricks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284239)

Yes, but McCain took the members of the Supreme Court out to a nice lunch and a movie.

Re:dirty tricks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284243)

How is this voter fraud? These people have a right to vote since they are citizen, and this is the only way they can do so since they have no address.

"almost no questions asked" (5, Informative)

Bearpaw (13080) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284263)

... except for:

1) citizenship
2) name
3) birthdate
4) state driver's license or SSN (required)

But hey, they're poor, so obviously they shouldn't be allowed to vote. Especially since they so often vote the wrong way, and thus prove how unAmerican they are.

Re:"almost no questions asked" (3, Insightful)

jabster (198058) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284665)

How DARE you ask someone to provide ID?! Or to certify that they're a US citizen?!?

Stop intimidating people! You and your right-wing repupliKKKan friends are just trying to bring back the Jim Crow laws!!

Re:dirty tricks (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284321)

that isnt' voter fraud.. it might seem underhanded to you but it isnt' fraud.. if the law allows them to register and vote at the same time without proof of addres.. then fine.. now if they where picking these people up and driving the same group around from state to state and had them vote more than once - that would be fraud.

that is not fraud but rather people getting other people to vote.. the people they picked up had a choice who to vote for.. and who knows who they did.

if your going to try and make someone look bad - atleast pick something that isn't a lie

Re:dirty tricks (0, Flamebait)

blcamp (211756) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284585)

How about "it's fraud" if there is ABSOLUTELY NO DOCUMENTATION WHATSOEVER TO PROVE CITIZENSHIP?

I don't know about you, but I don't want, and our country doesn't need to allow for the possibility of non-citizens voting in our elections.

I don't care if they MAY be citizens... "MAY" ain't good enough. We as citizens have a right to demand proof positive of ourselves in order to protect the integrity of our elections.

That issue aside, let's say hypotetically the person can be established as a US Citizen, but homeless. Voting for president or VP is not an issue in that case.

But every other ballot question STILL IS. How can a homeless person be allowed to vote for e.g. governor of a state if it cannot be established that he/she is a resident of that state? How can he/she vote on ballot initiatives for a given district, or location, when it is not established as to whether he/she is a resident of that area?

I can hear it now: "well... it's not fair... the person oughta be allowed to vote for something". Maybe, but to have a fair election, there has to be some minimum basis as to how to facilitate those elections.

Re:dirty tricks (-1, Troll)

Norwell Bob (982405) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284355)

Careful... calling out the dems like that is likely to get you modded troll or flamebait.

Oh shit! I'm gonna get modded down now too!

*sob*

Re:dirty tricks (1)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284413)

Ah, and the actual evidence is..?

As I recall, your country used to be big on that whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing, so if you're going to sling some mud, present some real proof to back it up. You wouldn't want to trample on your own freedoms, would you?

We'll wait, we're patient.

Re:dirty tricks (1)

Sebilrazen (870600) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284429)

like voter fraud?

That blurb is from the NY Post [nypost.com] which is an admittedly conservative paper, owned by Murdoch - you should provide attribution. It was then regurgitated as fact around the Internets. When a more independent organization picks up the story - AP, Reuters, BBC, etc. - let me know.

Speaking of the AP, it turns out it must not have been that many people, because it's estimated that only 4,000 to 5,000 [google.com] people voted early in the entire state of Ohio, so much for the widespread fraud that supposedly happened on the last day of "Golden Week."

Re:dirty tricks (4, Insightful)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284487)

As others have said, underhanded, yes, but not fraud. Kindof like the primarily Democrat regions in Ohio and Florida had a shortage of voting machines, while the Republican areas had more than enough to keep the wait short. Or how the polls allowed late comers in Rep. but not Dem areas. Well the latter might be borderline.
Gerrymandering anyone?

Fraud is when the Deceased in Chicago all seem to vote on the same party line.
Fraud is when "you"'ve and "everyone else" voted twice or more for West Virginia, again, all on the same party line, before you've (or anyone else) even entered the polling station.
Fraud is voting machines that change votes.

There's plenty of examples of all these happening, and it doesn't follow party lines. And it's not limited to the locations mentioned either. Each party has their areas that they keep by their underhanded tricks, or their frauds.

"About to begin"? (1)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284149)

Don't you mean "began months ago"?

Rob

Anyone have examples from this election? (2)

Falstius (963333) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284527)

Has anyone seen any of these kind of blody nuckle tactics yet in this election? Do you report them to the local police or state election board? I'm not talking about the typical FUD TV ads or stump speeches. I was hoping to see some of the drama first hand, but now that Michigan is basically uncontested I'm probably out of luck.

Already started (5, Insightful)

joey_skunk (244552) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284169)

Where have you guys been? The ads have been on TV for a couple of weeks. The economy is going down the tubes, so distraction is the key.

Re:Already started (1)

srjh (1316705) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284369)

Read the article, these dirty tactics aren't about swiftboating, rather tactics such as threatening felony charges against someone voting in the wrong state, i.e. voter intimidation.

Re:Already started (0, Troll)

thedonger (1317951) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284605)

[from TFA]

Raymond says that such tactics have evolved from some of the more overt voter intimidation schemes seen back in the early 1980s when the GOP's "Ballot Security Task Force" used armed off-duty police officers at the polling places in New Jersey and posted signs reading "voter fraud is a felony." Other underhanded tactics...

So, reminding people that voter fraud is a felony is voter intimidation? Wrong.

When you say about to start... (1)

Drakkenmensch (1255800) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284171)

... don't they have to stop at some point first? You can't start what's been going on non-stop for decades.

Like this article? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284175)

"How to Rig an Election: Confessions of a Republican Operative"

Oh ho ho! I don't think this article is trying to make negative suggestions or anything...

Dirty Blogging (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284177)

Wow, an entry about dirty tricks in politics and only the Republicans are listed as offenders? Does that make this a dirty blog entry?

Re:Dirty Blogging (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284235)

Reality has a well-known liberal bias.

Try reading the article (2, Funny)

ctid (449118) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284259)

You might learn something

Re:Try reading the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284357)

No, you re-read the article. Where do they claim any dirty politics were performed by actual democrats?

Re:Try reading the article (1)

thedonger (1317951) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284623)

Where do they claim any dirty politics were performed by actual democrats?

Right, because that one article contains every known incident of voter fraud/intimidation. Hell, half the stuff in their isn't even intimidation or fraud.

Amazing (1)

awshidahak (1282256) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284181)

I would have *never* suspected that dirty tricks would happen this year or start anytime soon. Dirty tricks when it comes to political matters' what is this world coming to anyway?

Mc Cain + Palin spam emails (4, Funny)

ionix5891 (1228718) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284213)

i am already getting

Mc Cain + Palin spam emails

for last few weeks

tho im not from US :( stupid spammers

Re:Mc Cain + Palin spam emails (1)

deniable (76198) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284635)

Why do I automatically think of Viagra when you mention McCain. Damn sneaky spammers.

Who needs dirty? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284219)

Who needs dirty tricks when you have Diebold in your wallet?

Dirty Blogging (1)

AutumnRecluse (1161421) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284279)

I think a dirtier trick is to post a partisan blog entry and pretend that Republicans only engage in dirty politics. Perhaps if liberal blogs continue to tell the same lie long enough, people will actually start to believe it. If you read the Huffington Post or try to post on Obama's YouTube channel you know the censorship that is already in place for dissenting opinions. Pretty soon these people who fear discourse are going to be in power, and we want hear anything but their truth.

Re:Dirty Blogging (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284483)

You are right, the sad part is, people already believe it. Liberals preach a mantra of diversity and equality, as long as you don't disagree with them, then it doesn't apply to you.

Contents of McCain laptop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284281)

To do list.

Proctologist appointment Monday.

Replace Corn pads in left shoe.

Remember to set VCR to tape Matlock reruns while I'm out of town.

Arrive at debate an hour early so I have time to pee.

Ask name of that girl I see around the office that looks like Tina Fey.

Ask aids to use larger font on teleprompters.

Change hearing aid batteries before the Debate.

Post Craig's List ad for ten of the twelve cars.

Re:Contents of McCain laptop (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284447)

Remember to tell Meghan to set VCR to tape Matlock reruns while I'm out of town.

There. Fixed it for ya.

Re:Contents of McCain laptop (1)

Sebilrazen (870600) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284497)

I call shenanigans on your post. McCain can't use a computer, ergo, no list on his laptop.

Ask name of that girl I see around the office that looks like Tina Fey

...was funny though

electile dysfunction abounds vote with your wallet (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284283)

never mind the theatrical name-calling. we could concern ourselves (for one thing) with the inevitable # FUDging, which barring a total landslide, will leave US as corepirate nazi hostages for some (more) time to come.

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I'm already a victim of these tactics (4, Interesting)

p_trekkie (597206) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284305)

Yesterday I received a DVD [imdb.com] in the mail from an obscure group known as the "Clarion Fund." It was a hatchet job meant to scare people about the evils of muslim extremism.... The shocking part was that they somehow had my full name on the address label....

The joys of living in the swing state of VA....

Re:I'm already a victim of these tactics (5, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284337)

The shocking part was that they somehow had my full name on the address label....

Shocking? Where do you get the idea that you have any privacy or anonymity whatsoever, Paul?

Re:I'm already a victim of these tactics (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284407)

It was a hatchet job meant to scare people about the evils of muslim extremism....

Compared to the benefits of Muslim extremism?

Re:I'm already a victim of these tactics (5, Insightful)

Sebilrazen (870600) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284543)

The companies that sell armored vehicles and bullets to the military would have to admit there are benefits to Muslim extremism when they look at their profits report.

Re:I'm already a victim of these tactics (5, Informative)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284671)

That is a horrifyingly accurate post. The real victors in war are the people who sell the bullets. Everyone else only plays along to use their products.

About to begin? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284319)

They started immediately after the last election! Only back then it was more posturing and planning than showmanship.

Plague, not pox (4, Informative)

MadMidnightBomber (894759) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284329)

"A plague on both your houses" is the correct line (from Romeo and Juliet)

As exemplified by kdawson's posting (1)

jandersen (462034) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284351)

It strikes me as bizarre and hypocritical to see somebody complaining about dirty tricks in such a biased and one-sided piece. It's like stealing and then calling somebody else a thief for doing the same. So breaking in to the offices of your own side is "dirty", whereas lying isn't? Both are immoral, and if you can defend one, you can probably defend the other, given the right circumstances.

Apart from that, complaining about things, but not being willing to do anything serious about it is just whining. And I suspect that the reason why nobody wants to clean up the way American politics works is that this would expose a lot of filth in all camps.

About to begin? (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284367)

When did they ever stop?

Heinlein (1)

halcyon1234 (834388) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284409)

And this is when everyone should dust off their copy of Expanded Universe, give A Bathroom of Her Own [wikipedia.org] a read, and realize that not only has this crap has been going on since (at least) 1946, it's been used by both sides.

1946? Try 1800. (2, Informative)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284489)

Try the turn of the 19th Century. Look up the Adams vs. Jefferson election if you want to see really dirty tricks.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

DEATH is the right punishment ! (3, Insightful)

duh_lime (583156) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284461)

There is nothing more essential to a democracy or representative government than VOTING and ELECTIONS. They must be sacred. Voter fraud, election fraud, and illegal fundraising (thereby affecting the outcome) cannot and must not be tolerated. They must be dealt-with swiftly and severely. They are the moral equivalent of TREASON and should be punishable by death or life in prison.
While some might laugh-off "dead people voting", "100% precinct turnouts", "illegal alien voting", and "Internet contributions from donors named 'Good Will'", these crimes undermine the very foundation of our Great Nation. They cannot be tolerated.

the dirtiest trick is already out of the bag (5, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284473)

electronic voting. no better device for dirty tricks has ever been invented

paper ballots. ocr. end of debate

anything else, including traditional mechanical voting machines, are ripe for abuse. not because you can't do dirty tricks with paper ballots, but because electronic voting (and to a lesser degree tradtional mechanical voting machines) increases the number of attack vectors by an order of magnitude, and increases the damage a lone operative can do, exponentially

fox news? plutocrat neocons? liberal media? america hating moonbats? corporate lobbyists? christian dominionists? uninformed apathetic voters?

make a list of what you consider the greatest threat to american democracy

nope, wrong

it's electronic voting. electronic voting removes transparency and introduces distrust into the voting process. electronic voting will prove to be the biggest mistake and the greatest threat to american democracy

democracy's greatest strength is that it creates legitimacy, no other form of government renews legitimacy in the eyes of its people. it gives the people a real voice in their own government. remove that trust with black box voting, and you remove legitimacy and stability and faith in the government. lose that, and you lose everything

in england... (1)

SkunkPussy (85271) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284477)

...we just don't get this shit! the worst we have got is people abusing postal votes

End justifies the means? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 5 years ago | (#25284541)

To make this story timely, last week someone broke into a McCain campaign office in Missouri and stole a laptop computer containing "strategic information" about the local campaign.

So theft is not a problem here?

Don't worry, Fox is on it (3, Insightful)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284561)

I'm sometimes curious as to what "news" Fox is covering on their morning show as compared to everyone else. While CNN, MSNBC, CNBC et al are covering the falling markets, what each campaign is doing, comments and the like, Fox is covering the dirty tricks of Ohio and how the Democrats are trying to steal the election.

What dirty tricks you say? The fact that people can register and vote on the same day [washingtonpost.com] for a one-week period. Now, as Fox spins it, this opens the door for fraudulent voting and other dirty tricks since there was a big push to register voters and have them vote on the same day.

Mind you, Fox didn't say word one when the head of Diebold made his infamous statement [cnn.com] because after all, that wasn't a dirty trick nor even the appearance of a dirty trick.

So have no fear, Fox will report all the dirty tricks the Democrats attempt to pull.

Important to note... (0)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284575)

The bigger point is that BOTH parties do this. There's a tendency to think Obama's people are pure in this but I doubt McCain stole his own campaign's laptop. Not to mention Obama supporters going to the police to have dissenting voices intimidated in Missouri. This is politics. It's dirty.

nobody ever breaks into an office and steals stuff (1)

Uzik2 (679490) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284613)

It had a glass front in a strip mall. But hey, it's more "newsy" if we claim it's political dirty tricks.

Election is over... (1)

SystematicPsycho (456042) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284639)

When people put money where their mouth is they're worthy of attention, so here's what the bookmakers think about the election: Elections Betting [iasbet.com] . Obama's getting better odds, last time I checked over the weekend he was $1.40, now $1.26. Republicans are $3.75. Is it a forgone conclusion?

Also, Palin is a one-line wonder and can only screw things up. Anyone else know what October Surprise is?

Record Robocalls, Shine the light (5, Interesting)

shimane (1186399) | more than 5 years ago | (#25284663)

With less than 28 days to go before election day StopPoliticalCalls.org has started to see reports in the media and from members that the robo calls have started, big time. You can help us Robo calls are the worst form of political campaigning. Candidates can send them and voters receive them and they disappear into thin air. There is no record. Until now. The internet has made it easier than ever to record robo calls and then put them up for the world to listen to. There is no better disinfectant than sunlight. **What we need you to do: StopPoliticalCalls.org is keeping a database of all robo calls that are made in the 2008 election cycle. Since we are non-partisan, we have all calls made from all sides. Here are two examples from members in the past two weeks right here in Northern Virginia. One is Progressive and one is from the VA GOP. 1--Working Families Win Robo call regarding Frank Wolf --> http://thinkdodone.typepad.com/ccd/2008/10/working-familie.html [typepad.com] 2--VA GOP robo call --> http://thinkdodone.typepad.com/ccd/2008/09/va-gop-robocall.html [typepad.com] **What you can do: 1. Record the robo call. 2. Send the file or link to the file to me at info AT citizensforcivildiscourse.org with the subject: "Robocall Recording: Date, Name of Candidate" **How: 1. If you have a VOIP service like Vonage, it is easy since the system creates files you can email quickly. 2. If you have an old fashioned answer phone simply get out your "camcorder", video tape the answer phone with the volume on, and upload the recording to YouTube. Regards, Shaun Dakin CEO and Founder The National Political Do Not Contact Registry StopPoliticalCalls.org
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