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Mandriva Linux 2009 Released

timothy posted about 6 years ago | from the still-crazy-after-all-these-years dept.

Mandriva 106

Adam Williamson writes "Mandriva has today released Mandriva Linux 2009, the new major release of the popular distribution. 2009 is a bold release which brings the new KDE 4 as the default desktop, along with a re-designed installer and Mandriva Control Center and many other new features. Other significant updates include GNOME 2.24, 3, Mozilla Firefox 3, and kernel 2.6.27. Key features include new graphical in-line upgrade capability, netbook compatibility, class-leading hardware support, and further improved support for working with mobile devices. For more details, see the Release Tour and the Release Notes. Get it at the download page, or go straight to the torrent list."

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also released today: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25321387)

I just dropped the Obama kids off at the pool!

Wow, now that's a trick! (4, Funny)

djcapelis (587616) | about 6 years ago | (#25321403)

It includes a kernel that hasn't been released yet?


Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (2, Interesting)

stas1987 (1381901) | about 6 years ago | (#25321459)

whats the difference between mandriva "one" and "free"

Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (4, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25321499) []

Basically, One is a hybrid live/install CD which includes proprietary drivers and browser plugins. Free is a traditional installer edition (2xCD or DVD) which is 100% free / open source software, no NVIDIA / ATI drivers or anything (though you can add them from the non-free repository after install, if you're that way inclined).

Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (1)

stas1987 (1381901) | about 6 years ago | (#25321545)


Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25332241)

whats the difference between mandriva "one" and "free"

Beyond free/proprietary drivers the main difference in 2008 version was configuration. "One" came with single core-32 bit kernel and supports up to 1 Gb of RAM. It is "hardwired" in distro. You will get this kernel and chocked RAM support regardless want CPU are you using and hoe much RAM you have. It was supposedly done to improve usability. Nuts! "Free" is not crippled though. Lack of proprietary drivers has not been a problem.

Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (1)

BorgAssimilator (1167391) | about 6 years ago | (#25321505)

Well, it's technically there...

in the state of an alpha release....

Hopefully I'm missing something though.

Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (1)

shadow42 (996367) | about 6 years ago | (#25321519)

From the release notes:

Mandriva Linux 2009 includes (or will include) the following versions of the major distribution components: kernel 2.6.27

I'm guessing that they mean that they'll upgrade to 2.6.27 when it's released.

Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (1)

eosp (885380) | about 6 years ago | (#25324159)

You mean, six hours ago?

Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (2, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | about 6 years ago | (#25321537)

I guess they're pulling the same as Ubuntu did with Firefox 3, it's at -rc9 now and on monday Linus said: "If things go well, I might do a final release mid-week, otherwise it's
'next weekend' again." so it should only be a few days away.

Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (1)

chibiace (898665) | about 6 years ago | (#25323573)

stupid ubuntu, i had lockups of one kind or another with firefox 3 beta they used in the release, and gvfs with a memory leak. going alright now after updates. but come on.

Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (4, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25321539)

Shipping with 2.6.27rc8, final 2.6.27 will be provided as an official update when it shows up.

Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25321583)

Ubuntu 8.10 beta is using this kernel too (2.6.27-6 atm)

Re:Wow, now that's a trick! Or, given that Hallo- (1)

davidsyes (765062) | about 6 years ago | (#25321613)

ween is near...

Maybe it's a TREAT?

(Silly rabbit, Trix are for kid... And, NO, no Lucky Charms for YOU! hehehe)

Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (2, Informative)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | about 6 years ago | (#25322087)

Actualy it has been released, but never the less it is almost a guarantee that Mandriva is not using a kernel version released that recently, since Mandriva is very good about thoroughly testing things, and they wouldn't have had time to do so.

Here the proof that 2.6.27 is "released":

[zero__kelvin@bodhisattva ~]$ kernel
[zero__kelvin@bodhisattva linux-2.6.git]$ git pull
remote: Counting objects: 83, done.
remote: Compressing objects: 100% (35/35), done.
remote: Total 58 (delta 29), reused 52 (delta 23)
Unpacking objects: 100% (58/58), done.
From git://
      6984937..3fa8749 master -> origin/master
remote: Counting objects: 1, done.
remote: Total 1 (delta 0), reused 1 (delta 0)
Unpacking objects: 100% (1/1), done.
From git://
  * [new tag] v2.6.27 -> v2.6.27

Re:Wow, now that's a trick! (1)

Craig Milo Rogers (6076) | about 6 years ago | (#25322883)

Linux kernel 2.6.27 was released this afternoon.

Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:59:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Linus Torvalds <>
To: Linux Kernel Mailing List <>
Subject: Linux 2.6.27
Message-ID: <>

frist psot (-1, Offtopic)

pbhj (607776) | about 6 years ago | (#25321421)

It's full of stars?

Worth a spin...? (2, Interesting)

zooblethorpe (686757) | about 6 years ago | (#25321483)

I had Mandrake installed some time back, and was happy with the package manager they had at the time since it finally dealt with some of the dependency hell issues that Red Hat suffered from. But at some point a software update and server migration went funny (on their end), and the package manager couldn't find the right site to update itself, and since I couldn't be bothered to dig into the internals to fix it (some of us use Linux to do other things :) and a reinstall looked like the easiest course, I opted to jump ship and tried out Ubuntu instead. But I'm curious to see what's happened in the intervening years.


Re:Worth a spin...? (2, Informative)

dchamp (89216) | about 6 years ago | (#25321635)

It's been improved... the best way to handle your update repositories is to use the Easy URPMI site at [] - just click and it will automagically add the sources for you.

I've been running the Beta and RC versions on my laptop and a desktop, it's been working well. Gonna start torrenting the release version shortly.

Re:Worth a spin...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25321679)

I opted to jump ship and tried out Ubuntu instead.

You are used to crappy distros, so I am sure you will feel like home with Mandriva.

Re:Worth a spin...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25321931)

Fill us in on which ones are "good" distros. Debian? Slackware? The harder to install and manage, the better, I always say.

Re:Worth a spin...? (1)

Psychotria (953670) | about 6 years ago | (#25322207)

As far as I know, Yggrasil and MDE (interim linux) were the first "distros". Debian and Slackware followed soon after. For many years Debian was notorious for its "elitist" users (just an opinion!) Maybe it still is. Since about 2000 (i think) it started to fade. Sure, there were/are heaps of people who swear by debian, but I am pretty sure that it was around 2000 that the (stable) releases began to stagnate. Slink was 2000 I think. Then 3 years, for another "stable release". Then another 3(?) and then 2(?) for a release in 2008. Three years. Three years is an eternity. Can't comment on Slackware 'cause I've never used it.

Anyway, at this point in time I would be reluctant to say Debian and Slackware are "good" distros. In the past, yeah, they were king of the lab.

Re:Worth a spin...? (1)

AceofSpades19 (1107875) | about 6 years ago | (#25323235)

Slackware is a good distro, it may not be for the beginner, but you can always count on Pat V. to make a stable and well tested release of Slackware

Re:Worth a spin...? (1)

Psychotria (953670) | about 6 years ago | (#25324377)

I stand corrected AceOfASpades19. I should not have mentioned Slackware at all. As I said, I've never used it. It was unfair of me to judge it and lump it into my comment.

Re:Worth a spin...? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25322321)

Debian is not hard to install and it is the easiest operating system to manage.

Oh, it also has quality assurance unlike that popular brown distro and their 6-month release cycle. Lenny is currently much, *much* more stable than Intrepid. The former will be "good enough" to be called "Debian Stable" in 3 or 4 months, the latter will be rushed out of the door in a couple of weeks or so.

Re:Worth a spin...? (2, Interesting)

Psychotria (953670) | about 6 years ago | (#25322423)

"Quality assurance"? Are you serious? What a load of cow pooh. What on Earth is "quality assurance" anyway? For quality assurance I would, at least, expect a Quality Management System. A certified (ISO) one. Debian does not have that. If there is not a quality management system, why should I belive that Debian offers "quality assurance"?

Re:Worth a spin...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25322939)

You play with the words. You have not actually run Debian for a long time in a production environment to know about the ways the Project manages to deliver an operating system of superb quality.

Re:Worth a spin...? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25326729)

You think that ISO certification means something? I hope you aren't in a position with any more responsibility than assuring the customer gets their fries.

Re:Worth a spin...? (1)

Fri13 (963421) | about 6 years ago | (#25325223)

Debian is not hard to install and it is the easiest operating system to manage.

Debian is easy to install software system, and the OS management is not harder than on other Linux distributions. Like updating the OS in Mandriva is easy as like "urpmi linux-2.6.27" or if you want you can always crap your new OS version from and compile it yourself.

The system management is lots easier than on Debian because you have Mandriva Control Center and you can easily set most needed system settings from there by just waving your mouse.

Of course if you like to do everything trought commandline by using text editors and man pages, Mandriva is not for you but you can keep using Debian. The system management should be easy for daily joe and on the Ubuntu, it is plain *hell* because it offers only tools what Gnome offers, and those ain't enough for system management. Thats why OpenSUSE and Mandriva (+ PCLinuxOS etc) are much better for "mrs wife" or "mrs girlfriend" who do not want to learn sudo or any other "stupid" tools to do everything form CLI, but just use the computer to get job done.

I miss Conectiva (2, Informative)

mangu (126918) | about 6 years ago | (#25322249)

But at some point a software update and server migration went funny (on their end), and the package manager couldn't find the right site to update itself

Until they got merged into Mandrake, Conectiva was the best distro, IMHO. They had RPM with Apt, the best of both worlds. After the acquisition, they opted to drop that feature, keeping the vastly inferior Mandrake package management. Sorry, guys, I wento to Ubuntu, and never looked back.

The main thing I miss now is the Conectiva keyboard mapping. There are some subtle but significant differences in the way US-style keyboards handle accented characters, and Conectiva had the smartest setup (easiest to use, less keystrokes needed).

Re:I miss Conectiva (1)

dmbasso (1052166) | about 6 years ago | (#25323201)

The main thing I miss now is the Conectiva keyboard mapping. There are some subtle but significant differences in the way US-style keyboards handle accented characters, and Conectiva had the smartest setup (easiest to use, less keystrokes needed).

Perhaps it's just a matter of configuring SCIM (smart common input method)? I use Ubuntu 8.04, with the default configurations for Portuguese (my native language), Japanese and Chinese (for hanzi and pinyin) and the only complaint I have is the lack of documentation (for pinyin). It is a very natural and productive input method.

Not for me, sorry. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25326797)

Mandriva sounds too dangerously close to "Mangina" for my liking.

Re:Worth a spin...? (1)

Reziac (43301) | about 6 years ago | (#25332609)

In the past couple months I've seen folks using Ubuntu 8 and Mandrake-whatever-was-the-previous version... and Mandra^H^H^H Mandriva just seemed more finished and polished. It gave me new hope that one of these days there will be a linux I can love. Maybe this one is it... downloading now!

KDE (4, Insightful)

Psychotria (953670) | about 6 years ago | (#25321563)

Really, I love KDE 4.x. The work they have done is magnificent and a great achievement. I cannot, however, use it (at the moment) day-to-day. At least Mandrake has waited for a while before including it (KDE 4). At the end of the day though how is it helping Linux? Supposing I was a new Linux user (I'm not, been using it since 1994 and Yggdrasil) I would have to assess Linux on it's "interface". Say I am interested: I will grab the latest "linux version" and install it. I will be presented with KDE4. As an average user, would I judge linux, overall, on the interface. Most LIKELY I WOULD. Distro's have to be current, yeah. But if we want to make linux attractive to joe six pack, we have to start deciding WHAT goes into a standard distro. Including unfinished stuff (IMO) is a show stopper.

This comment is not meant to detract from the great work the KDE people have done for 4.x. They are building a GREAT system and I admire their work.

Re:KDE (1)

Psychotria (953670) | about 6 years ago | (#25321607)

By the way. I compile KDE 4.x weekly from svn. My comment above is really not meant to criticise the wonderful work the KDE programmers are doing.

Re:KDE (1)

Kjella (173770) | about 6 years ago | (#25322089)

Well, I guess it depends what you think is best longterm. It's said that to make an omelet you must break some eggs, and KDE4/Qt4 broke pretty much all of them. KDE 4.0 was way premature, maybe it was KDElibs 4.0. but not the K Desktop Environment 4.0. KDE 4.1.2 is really at the point that to make it better you must push it to a greater audience. In a few weeks there's Kubuntu 8.10 with KDE4 as the default, basicly they're all going in that direction. I think longterm it is what is necessary to push KDE4 past the competition (Gnome, Vista and possibly OS X), but it's probably hurt KDE some in the here and now. I think those you lost now will be outnumbered by those you'll gain shortly as KDE4 takes real advantage of the modern framework underneath.

Re:KDE (1)

Psychotria (953670) | about 6 years ago | (#25322233)

I agree. I just don't think that distros should have included it.

Re:KDE (1)

Erikderzweite (1146485) | about 6 years ago | (#25323125)

They'll upgrade to a new version when it is ready. But I agree, that there are some annoying glitches that might scare away average user (i have 4.1.2 atm).

As for kernel -- the newer the kernel, the more equipment is supported.

Openoffice3 -- bad timing, they'll make a release next week, so I guess that was a right decision too.

P.S. when will slashdot support long dash?! Renders my compose key useless...

Re:KDE (1)

Psychotria (953670) | about 6 years ago | (#25324183)

P.S. when will slashdot support long dash?! Renders my compose key useless...

You have asked the right person -- I have no idea.

Re:KDE (1)

erok2112 (1180109) | about 6 years ago | (#25326391)

I would have to agree for the most part, except for one little rant..not directed at you though- its about the joe-six-pack.. I think Joe needs to catch the F.. up with the rest of the world. This dumbing down of things needs to stop, ASAP. rant over This new release of Mandriva is fantastic BTW. I tried both gnome and KDE (live) on a few machines and it was flawless. good job guys

OMG MANDRAKE (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25321565)

I CAN'T WAIT TO NEVER USE IT. HOW BOLD. Why would I ever handicap myself with this distribution? Clearly Ubuntu is the future. Throw this shit away.

Re:OMG MANDRAKE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25322875)

troll much?

wow, i've waited for a long time for this! (1)

iggy_mon (737886) | about 6 years ago | (#25321673)

i've been waiting for Mandrive 2009 for KDE 4.1 as 4.0 was supposed to be for developers.

mandriva, and mandrake before the merger with conectiva, was the distro of choice for me. mandrake 6.something was the first distro i was able to install, i still have that disk somewhere. for a little while i flirted with ubuntu but kept coming back for one reason or another. actually, i kept returning because i have a dell vostro 1500 laptop, honestly, i'd been better off with an abacus than this garbage, but anyways. mandriva 2008 was the only distro that would even load without doing voodoo incantations.

mandriva 2008 would work very nicely, but bluetooth was a little flaky for me. mandriva 2008.1 fixed that and fixed the multimedia keys on the front of the laptop (fixing the last little thing that didn't work out of the box).

so, with high hopes i downloaded mandriva 2009. ugh, what happened?!? my bluetooth is back to being troublesome. the mouse would say 'connected' and not do anything. power cycling the mouse would, well, 2 times, actually, make it work. then, kbluetooth would disconnect and reconnect to the mouse and the mouse would not work again! ugh!!!1!! the multimedia buttons stopped working!

most vexing for me was wireless. now, this P.O.S. laptop has a broadcom wireless module that needs ndiswrapper to work. now, mandriva 2009 recognized it, so said the control panel. couldn't use it but it was there! oh well, install the driver using ndiswrapper... 'wireless-tools could not be installed'!!! ok, hook up the wired connection and install wireless-tools. setup wireless > error! 'could not connect to ndiswrapped interface'!!! wow! ok, check to make sure ndiswrapper is installed. yup, there it is. uninstall ndiswarapper. check. reinstall ndiswrapper. check. install wireless card. smae error message!!!!

ok, noobie time (though i've checked in on linux for many years, it was mandriva 2008 that i switched permanently to linux). reinstall mandriva 2009. go through the same mess. still no go.

ok, install mandriva 2008.1. happy again!

now, don't count me out yet. i'll just wait for 2 weeks before retrying. bye then, these bugs should be worked out. i have faith in the mandriva team.


i was looking forward to trying kde 4.1. i know it is quite a bit different than 3.X. T-minus 14 days :-)


btw, the revamped installer is fanatastic! the artwork is simply incredible, you have to see it!


i hope mandriva 2009 works better for you than for me. I FULLY BLAME THIS DELL VOSTRO MONSTROSITY THAT HAS GIVEN ME NOTHING BUT PROBLEMS SINCE I GOT IT. the windows cd they gave me WITH this system COMPLETELY CRAPS ITS BRITCHES. god damn vostro...

Re:wow, i've waited for a long time for this! (1)

ReinoutS (1919) | about 6 years ago | (#25328655)

now, don't count me out yet. i'll just wait for 2 weeks before retrying. bye then, these bugs should be worked out. i have faith in the mandriva team.

Please file bugs! Don't count on the Mandriva developers to read Slashdot to find out which bugs to fix. Thanks!

Re:wow, i've waited for a long time for this! (1)

Reziac (43301) | about 6 years ago | (#25332679)

Maybe someone should post a handy Bug Report link for those of us who excel at breaking stuff ;)

Re:wow, i've waited for a long time for this! (1)

idanity (591710) | about 6 years ago | (#25332165)

thanks for the heads up. currently running 2008.1 on Toshibas satellite laptop with everything working (yes, 3d too, (compubiz))... i am very happy w/2008.1, and was looking forward to '09, but with your wireless issues and the ndis wrapper (currently using madwifi) i will remain content, and keep on chuggin. my only complaint in 08.1 is that when i tried to switch into "enlightenments" w.m. i kept getting a error that another window manager was already running...(even after going into runlevel3 sooo...unless we can run enlightenment upon install, i wont change (i dont have too much extra time for it these days)

Way to go mandriva! (2, Informative)

chadruva (613658) | about 6 years ago | (#25321711)

I gave a spin to 2009-RC2 and I found it very lacking in many aspects, including general theme, while KDE4 implementation of the mandriva theme was mostly there small details (but important ones) like desktop icons where left out, if you look at the 2009 errata outstanding issues where not handled, like multimedia keyboard support on KDE4, it reasonably works on 2008.1 why should it stop working in 2009?, passing the blame to kmilo is no way to handle it (they would be better of with KDE3 for now).

I like the few new improvements, boot time is fast, intel wifi works better now, new kpowersave is nice, I can finely set the monitor brightness if supported, however, the damm thing won't suspend when closing the laptop lid.

I think is a good release for a new KDE4 migration, I think I will give the final release a spin but most probably I will stay with 2008.1 which is way more usable today than 2009, just think it.

Re:Way to go mandriva! (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25321759)

It's not really 'passing the blame'. KMilo is the bit of KDE which handles multimedia keys. If it doesn't exist for KDE 4 yet then, well, we just can't really handle multimedia keys in KDE 4. There's no way around it.

We can do a partial hack - bind the volume up, down and mute keys to kmix via KDE's own hotkeys support - and I'm trying to get that done as an update.

The question was whether issues on that level should stop us using KDE 4 for this release, bearing in mind the release will be the current one for 6 months, has a life cycle of 18 months, and KDE 3 development is entirely dead upstream. We decided that, despite there being niggling issues on that level, it still made more sense to make the jump.

The suspend-on-lid-close issue is a known bug in kpowersave in KDE 4, it's documented (with a suggested workaround) in the Errata.

Re:Way to go mandriva! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25322059)

I use the multimedia keys on my keyboard kind of a lot, but it's not make or break for me. A bigger problem is no k3b, but I know they're working on it and it'll be done fairly soon. All in all I'm very happy that you guys made KDE4 default, it's really a great desktop and the updated Amarok is simply beautiful.

Re:Way to go mandriva! (1)

chadruva (613658) | about 6 years ago | (#25323107)

The difference between distros is in the details, having a regression is not good for a distro like Mandriva famed for being stylish, very usable and that "Just Works".

I would like to congratulate the Mandriva team as working around these issues is unavoidable and the sooner we get to it the better.

So yeah, I'm downloading it right now and will upgrade (clean install), I'm a bit critic of the latest changes but Mandriva has always been my distro of choice and will stick to it (and will start sending /* spam */ bug reports), there is also good parts of this release that will really benefit everybody (better hw support, wifi, boot speed, etc).

Re:Way to go mandriva! (1)

Erikderzweite (1146485) | about 6 years ago | (#25323161)

In xorg-7.4 keyboards are handed via hal with evdev driver -- the layout is therefore generic and will make it much more easier for distro makers to configure multimedia keyboards -- all of them will send e.g. the same event on Volume Up keypress.

Re:Way to go mandriva! (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25324571)

We already have this (and have since 2008.1) - the XF86Audio keysyms. The problem is not at that level. That level is there and working fine in 2009 - pretty much all keyboards with multimedia keys pass the appropriate keysyms. The issue is specific to KDE 4 and it's just that it has nothing to *handle* those keysyms. KDE 3 has an app called KMilo which handles them, but it's not been ported to KDE 4 yet.

If you run KDE 3, GNOME, or Xfce in Mandriva 2009, the multimedia keys will work fine.

Re:Way to go mandriva! (1)

Erikderzweite (1146485) | about 6 years ago | (#25328331)

Got you wrong then. I still prefer using esekeyd so all my hotkeys work e.g. in fullscreen games. IIRC KMilo works only within KDE so if you start full-screened weshoth you will not be able to adjust sound with your keys.

Besides, can't you just install KMilo3 on top of kde4? I use k3b in kde4 without a problem.

Re:Way to go mandriva! (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25329379)

I've not actually checked that (I think the KDE engineering team has), but I suspect it wouldn't work because it would rely on KDE 3-style IPC which isn't present in KDE 4.

Useless summaries (4, Interesting)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 6 years ago | (#25321741)

Each distro includes, Gnome, KDE, etc. I can get Gnome 2.24 by upgrading packages within my existing distro. openSUSE 11.1 and Fedora 9 will ship with it. So what actually sets this apart? I haven't used Mandriva since it was Mandrake, and I'm curious.

I hear they got a great "Control Panel" that rivals Yast. What is it like? What unique features does the distro have?

Wouldn't that be the pertinent information to have?

Re:Useless summaries (2, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25321819)

You might want to look at the Reviewer's Guide: []

it contains a lot of that kind of information.

Re:Useless summaries (2, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 6 years ago | (#25322861)

Yes, but when writing an article reviewing the distro, shouldn't they talk about the unique features rather than just states, "hey, our release has Gnome!"

Re:Useless summaries (1)

Kjella (173770) | about 6 years ago | (#25323735)

I half agree and half disagree, it's also to tell "Why should you upgrade to 2009? What new features are you getting?" for existing Mandriva users. For people using another distro the unique features may matter more, but it's a shame if people aren't aware of the progress made because it's common to all distros. And YMMV but it's not my most important criteria when choosing distros, usually it's about being reasonably current while breaking relatively little - not that my distro is that unique compared to other distros.

Re:Useless summaries (1)

Reziac (43301) | about 6 years ago | (#25332449)

Thanks, that was exactly what I needed... I was puzzling over which CD to download, and that page answered my question.

Re:Useless summaries (1)

jonbryce (703250) | about 6 years ago | (#25322181)

Basically the unique features for any distro are their installer, system administration tools and package management.

Re:Useless summaries (2, Informative)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 6 years ago | (#25322881)

Some distros do have unique features. For instance Fedora 9 had kernel-mode setting if you had an Intel video card. At the time, it was only one of a few, if not the only installers to offer full disk encryption in the installer, etc. Ubuntu offers Wubi. []

That is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. When reviewing distros, write about what makes that distro unique.

Re:Useless summaries (2, Informative)

PianoComp81 (589011) | about 6 years ago | (#25323317)

I hear they got a great "Control Panel" that rivals Yast. What is it like? What unique features does the distro have?

The Control Center (i.e. "Control Panel") is probably the best feature that Mandriva has. For me, it allows easy setup of just about everything - from NFS and SMB servers and clients to a backup feature that just works (so long as the hard drive has space - which they also deal with). Much of these things can be edited by webmin, but the control center GUI is easier to use than webmin. Another benefit is that many of the tools can run in the Linux virtual terminals. This makes it easy to configure the box even when I don't have X running.

I'd have to say Mandriva's package management is also another benefit. Since they've gone to urpmi, I haven't had any troubles with package dependency hell. urpmi takes care of that for me. However, this hasn't stopped me from installing rpms myself as-needed. And when the non-urpmi-repository rpms require specific packages, urpmi will automatically install the packages for me when it installed my rpm.

When I've tried Ubuntu, the biggest thing I missed was all the configuration items that the Mandriva control center gave me. Sure, I can edit things by hand, but I'd rather use a GUI for it. Fedora felt the same way.

So overall, I like it. Sure, there are complaints, but there will always be complaints.

Re:Useless summaries (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25323677)

Forget the reviews - run the LiveCD. Find out what it's like to /you/.

Better still, give yourself a 10 - 20 gig partition for playing with other distros. We've got lots of competent "ready for the desktop" distros now. Be a geek and sample that candy store.

Quickie 'review' of this LiveCD -- I thought KDE4 was supposed to use less resources? With 3d effects turned off, this plasma desktop is rather a dog compared to KDE3.5 on my Duron test box. Otherwise it looks nice. Definitely a nicely modernized KDE for the eyeballs, and Mandriva has tightened up their graphic design since the 2008 Spring edition. They're rivalling Ubuntu now. And geeze it's nice having the Nvidia driver installed from GO, and the Control Center is just great. Ubuntu really needs to adopt those two successes. Not to mention wifi.

Or just go ahead and use Mandriva of course. Ubuntu is simply the devil I've gotten used to, but it's hardly the only easy Linux in town anymore.

For older machines check out the Mandriva-derived PCLOS MiniMe. It's a stripped but nice KDE3.5 distro meant for making your own distro, but it also makes a terrific quick low-resource install if you don't like the compromises of the various 'box window managers.

Re:Useless summaries (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25324545)

"I thought KDE4 was supposed to use less resources?"

I don't think they've ever actually said that, and it's certainly not the case :). There was a random comparison run by that ever dependable figure Some Guy On His Personal Blog which claimed 39% lower memory usage for KDE 4 or something, but it was basically utterly wrong. I did test this for my own curiosity - there's nothing insanely broken about our KDE 4 build, but on a clean 2009 install, the memory usage figures booted to a default desktop with a terminal and htop running are:

KDE 4 - 250MB
GNOME 2.24 - 150MB
Xfce 4.4.2 - 160MB(!!, although quite a lot of that is its hideously memory-hungry Terminal, you can reduce it by using rxvt)
LXDE - 120MB

About 100MB of that is actually the base system plus X, so it's even worse if you only look at the numbers of the desktops themselves:

KDE 4 - 150MB
GNOME 2.24 - 50MB
Xfce 4.4.2 - 60MB

I didn't actually test KDE 3, but I think it's between 50 and 100MB by the second measure. There's probably some efficiencies to be had in KDE 4 somewhere, but it sure isn't less resource-intensive in a stock out of the box setup. I think this would be replicated in other distros, if you checked.

Re:Useless summaries (1)

Fri13 (963421) | about 6 years ago | (#25325251)

"but it was basically utterly wrong."

Actually it was correct. Those were test about running Qt4 applications vs Qt3 applications. Not running KDE3 vs KDE4. If you run KDE3 with 10 service/applications running by default and KDE4 with 25 service/applications running by default, there is very good change that KDE4 would need more RAM.

Those test what was done then, were just proof that KDE4 applications does not need so much CPU time and they are more responsive for user etc.

I have got 4Gb RAM for this laptop and 8GB RAM for my desktop PC and I like to use it what I have buyed. And what I really like is that when I use applications what really like RAM, like 3D rendering or Phototouching, I like that OS (Linux) can keep my RAM for those applications and KDE4 works still fast even that it would be needed to get swapped.

Re:Useless summaries (1)

mfearby (1653) | about 6 years ago | (#25325723)

I personally don't care if KDE 4 was supposed to have used less resources. If it uses more, then maybe I'll get more value for money out of my underused 2GB of RAM.

Since switching from Windows to Mandriva 10 months ago, my second 1GB chip hasn't been touched, so I for one welcome the new memory-justifying KDE 4 :-)

KDE 4 and Nvidia (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | about 6 years ago | (#25327813)

There are issues with QT apps running really slow on boxes that use the proprietary Nvidia driver because that driver can't handle xrender calls very well. Yesterday Nvidia released a new driver that is supposed to fix the xrender issue. People are reporting that KDE 4 apps now fly on their boxes.

Conversely, I've seen people with low-end systems claim that KDE 4 flies on their boxes if they have onboard Intel graphics, because that driver is so good with xrender calls.

Re:Useless summaries (1)

Fri13 (963421) | about 6 years ago | (#25325199)

So you are saying "Why I should get a Ubuntu or OpenSUSE if Mandriva 2009 has everything what others has and even more too".

This is always a comparising a Linux distributions, not Linux Operating System. Every new release of distributions is just "a snapshot" of the current work what FOSS community has done in sertain projects.

You get Linux OS (kernel) + new versions of libraries (GNU+others), developer tools (GNU+others) and what important, new versions of desktop environments (KDE, Gnome, LXDE, XFCE) and other applications (, digiKam, Ktorrent, Pidgin etc). And those ain't coming so easily backported for older "snapshots".

Every distribution release, is information of the community what they have got done. When OpenSUSE release new version "later" than others, it will include that times versions. So when you read the release information, you dont read information about OpenSUSE, but the community what they got changed.

It is no matter what Linux distribution you use, because we all use same Linux OS. It just is about your taste what kind release schedule you like and who gives better support for your needs.

For me, I use Mandriva, Ubuntu, Fedora and OpenSUSE in different machines, in different places and needs. I dont choose distributions by that who I like to support, but I choose them by knowing that in certain place we need faster updates for application X and on other place we need better community support and in other place we just need easy to use system where everyone can configure system easily if needed.

If I would like to know all the time the new things what is happening in community development, I whould be needed to get everything from SVN by compiling myself. Mayby I would take Slackware or Gentoo for that but I just dont have such time to "play". at least I read every mainstream distribution release information to find out what I can expect to come on distribution what I like to use on my desktop, if really important/nice feature, I might just change my distribution for that time because I dont need to touch my own settings and applications what I use, are available easily on every distribution and waiting 15seconds first to install the application before I start it first time, is not big deal because I dont need to go the "next-next-agree-next-finish" installation exercise like on Windows.

Re:Useless summaries (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25329033)

When did they get it and from whom? Or did you mean they have a great 'Control Panel'?

Mandriva One x86-64? (1)

Canadian_Daemon (642176) | about 6 years ago | (#25321761)

Looking at the Torrent list, I can't see an x86-64 version of Mandriva One. ( Free has it though). Any ideas on where to find it?

Re:Mandriva One x86-64? (2, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25321859)

There is no x86-64 One. Really, for most workloads, you may as well run i586 on x86-64 systems. If you really want a native edition, install x86-64 Free.

Obligatory (2, Funny)

copponex (13876) | about 6 years ago | (#25321763)

But does it run on Ubuntu?

Re:Obligatory (4, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25321881)

Via VirtualBox or VMware, yes. Yes it does. :) And, of course, vice versa.

Concerned about Pulse Audio and older video cards (2, Interesting)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | about 6 years ago | (#25322327)

My major concern is going to be Pulse Audio. When 2008.1 came out, I migrated from 2008.0. I found out there were patches made to SDL that broke compatibility with many Linux games. It took weeks of "digging them out." to solve the problems. Now sound works the way it should. I'm frightened that it will mean more digging up bad patches in SDL to stop annoying crackling effects in games.

Also, not every computer I own has a "nice" Nvidia FX5200. A few of them have older Sis, Matrox, Intel, and my Cooker Box which has one of the 2009.0 release candidates on it has a Voodoo 3. The Voodoo 3 card crashes when DRI is enabled. Not due to a proprietary driver, but due to some older cards development falling by the wayside.

Re:Concerned about Pulse Audio and older video car (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25322787)

I'm not sure how it could take you weeks - SDL is just one source RPM, so all the patches applied to it are right there... []

there's two Pulse patches.

We provide the latest code has for all drivers, and the hardware detection database is maintained. Aside from that there isn't an awful lot we can do to help older neglected drivers - even if we had the time to devote to maintaining ancient X drivers (which we mostly don't), we don't have the hardware around to test. But we do what we can.

Re:Concerned about Pulse Audio and older video car (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25323069)

Don't be smug. Not everyone can solve problems at the rate of a hard drive write, right?! He did solve his problem which is an accomplishment. And no he'll have to do it again. It's the Linux way in which nothing ever stays the same.

Re:Concerned about Pulse Audio and older video car (1)

MasterOfMagic (151058) | about 6 years ago | (#25326927)

I found out there were patches made to SDL that broke compatibility with many Linux games. It took weeks of "digging them out." to solve the problems.

For SDL: Did a packaging of the pristine upstream source have the same problems? Did you identify which specific patches which caused the problem?

Also, the sound stack for Linux seems overly complicated [] at the current time. There is some guidance [] here, but if you need to have a talk at the Linux Plumbers Conference that says, "Application developers, do not write directly to the hardware interface," you have already failed. Of course, there's some controversy [] about this guide because a bunch of OSS programmers can't accept any opinion of their API different from theirs.

Once Upong a Time... (2, Insightful)

Necrotica (241109) | about 6 years ago | (#25323043)

Once upon a time this would have been big news on Slashdot. Now there is only about 45 comments. Mandrake/Mandriva really lost their mojo when they decided to go commercial.

Re:Once Upong a Time... (3, Informative)

markdavis (642305) | about 6 years ago | (#25323367)

Um, Mandrake/Mandriva has *always* been a commercial company with commercial offerings. But they have also *always* offered free versions of the distro. And this is what Redhat did before they went completely commercial-only, and what SuSE still does. []

Re:Once Upong a Time... (1)

Necrotica (241109) | about 6 years ago | (#25323583)

I stand corrected. You're right, I remember buying a copy of Mandrake 7 (I think) back in about 2000. But at that time, the only difference between the commercial and downloadable version was the inclusion of a printed manual in the commercial version. Subsequent versions were the same, except you might have received membership in the Mandrake Club if you bought it (it was optional if you downloaded - I know that much cuz I never had a reason to join)

Re:Once Upong a Time... (2, Informative)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25324499)

Mark is not actually correct.

There are no longer any paid Club memberships (we abolished that system last year). There's only the Powerpack subscription, which gives you no privileges, it's a simple product which gives you access to the Powerpack edition for 12 months; nothing else.

The only software that is exclusive to the Powerpack edition is software that is not only non-free, but commercial: that is, software we *could not legally include* in any edition that's free to the general public. Software that we have to pay a license fee to the owners to include in Powerpack, and that they only let us license on a limited basis for paying customers.

All publicly redistributable non-free software in Mandriva is available in the public non-free repository, completely free of charge, to anyone. When you set up 2009, this repository is configured automatically.

To put it another way: everything you get for free with Ubuntu, you get for free with Mandriva. The only stuff you are paying for in Powerpack is stuff you could not get for free from any other distribution.

Re:Once Upong a Time... (1)

CoonAss56 (927862) | about 6 years ago | (#25326481)

Really? I can get all that and more "free" in Gentoo and I don't have to buy anything!

Re:Once Upong a Time... (1)

Necrotica (241109) | about 6 years ago | (#25326925)

Gentoo is a lot of fun. I used it for about four years. But with Gentoo *I* paid for it in time. Time spent compiling, tweaking, debugging, and getting into the racer mindset that I needed to make everything as optimized as humanly possible. No doubt I learned a lot from it. I don't know what its like now but I couldn't go back to that.

Re:Once Upong a Time... (1)

CoonAss56 (927862) | about 6 years ago | (#25332297)

That's what's great about Gentoo. YOU choose either to leave things as they are or tweak them to your hearts content. Besides you would have just been wasting time in a bar or some other useless pastime. Instead you were learning about Linux and how it works.

Re:Once Upong a Time... (2, Insightful)

sayfawa (1099071) | about 6 years ago | (#25323607)

I recall a time when they *really* pushed you to buy their product (not that there is something wrong with that). And they did not allow the free download until weeks after their paying customers got to it. There may have been some other perks to paying as well. Anyway, the feeling I got was that if you were not giving them money, you were 2nd class and could not get the full benefits of running the distro.

This changed after Ubuntu and Fedora came along and they (Mandrake/Mandriva) saw that people were leaving them. Since they started these "Mandriva One" things they have gotten back some of their lost fame, but for a while they were just the people that tried to force us to pay for something that Ubuntu was giving out for free.

Re:Once Upong a Time... (1)

markdavis (642305) | about 6 years ago | (#25324325)

It is true that they do try to make money. As a commercial company, they have to in order to survive. They give preference and perks to club members. Personally, I think the rates are reasonable and the product is superior to Ubuntu (to use your example) in significant ways, so it is worth it. They have experimented with different concepts, settling on one that seems to work the best for themselves and their customers.

I do wish all the perks were open to everyone, but I can see where giving something other than just warm fuzzies to people who contribute money has worked for them, even though some view it as an unfortunate necessity. Those who wish to use it completely free, can still do so... they just have to download more of the stuff by hand.

Who knows, maybe their model will change again. At least they have been listening to the people that make the distro possible, financially, without undue burdens on those who don't pay; and have contributed significantly to the Linux community. In any case, it is nice to have choice.

Re:Once Upong a Time... (2, Insightful)

pembo13 (770295) | about 6 years ago | (#25323759)

Same for Redhat/Fedora stories. A lot of Slashdotters only seem to care about Ubuntu these days. To each their own I guess.

Re:Once Upong a Time... (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25324589)

It's rather because Slashdot didn't put the story on the front page (only as a between-stories bar, which is easy to miss). When they make a Mandriva story a full front page story, it still gets hundreds of comments.

Mandriva has always been a commercial distribution, ever since 1998. It's only got *more* open over time, never less.

Re:Once Upong a Time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25325489)

I'd have to argue that Ubuntu stealing their thunder as the "beginner linux" figures in, too.

Re:Once Upong a Time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25325767)

Mandriva already had a completely open community development project (Cooker) long before Red Hat (RawHide only became open when Fedora was created) and SUSE (Factory only started when SuSE became OpenSUSE). Futhermore, proprietary, redistributable packages are available in the non-free section on every mirror. They are also included in the One live cd's. If you prefer total freedom, there is the Free edition without any proprietary stuff. All of these editions are available on every mirror and cost nothing. So stating that Mandriva is more commercial and more closed than other distros, is definitely not true.

Re:Once Upong a Time... (1)

Candid88 (1292486) | about 6 years ago | (#25327013)

I think it's Slashdot's reader base which has changed rather than Mandriva.

Back when a Mandriva (Mandrake) release would have been big news it was amongst news of hardware evaluations, the latest kernel update and talk on coding standards.

These days Slashdot has a far more mainstream focus and the stories getting all the comments and attention tend to be about: a) US politics, b) Privacy or c) RIAA/MPAA

None of which are really "news for nerds" but rather "news for nerds who don't really care about technical stuff".

Re:Once Upong a Time... (1)

Reziac (43301) | about 6 years ago | (#25332653)

Every story has been low on comments, compared to normal for similar topics, since whatever changes slashdot made to the site a few days ago. Frex, I can no longer access "yesterday's news" (so I can't read or comment on these stories at all) and there are other small issues, like pages that fail to completely load the first time. I doubt I'm the only one affected by all this.

Gave it a whirl (2, Informative)

zach_the_lizard (1317619) | about 6 years ago | (#25323357)

Well, I downloaded the CD and am now in the process of installing it. On the CD, it ran very quickly, especially for a live CD. The usual Folder View slowness in KDE4 that I've experienced in every other distro just did not exist in Mandriva. I'm assuming they used a later nVidia driver. A nice touch. I can already tell I'll like it much better than SuSE.

Re:Gave it a whirl (1)

AdamWill (604569) | about 6 years ago | (#25324471)

Actually, we use 177.70, but we apply the InitialPixmapPlacement and GlyphCache tweaks by default.

Oh great. (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | about 6 years ago | (#25323683)

Just when I finished downloading 2008.1!

Re:Oh great. (2, Funny)

eosp (885380) | about 6 years ago | (#25324205)

I'm on Gentoo, how do you think I feel?

Re:Oh great. (2, Insightful)

amRadioHed (463061) | about 6 years ago | (#25324685)

About a Mandriva release? Apathetic?

2009 will surely be.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25326293)

..the year of the Linux desktop.

Mandriva vs. Fedora (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 6 years ago | (#25328369)

I've found Mandriva to be easier to use and administer out-of-the-box than Fedora. Since I've never cared for the non-SysV init way, I've never tried doing anything with *buntu except install it, so I can't comment on those.

Mandriva does offer very nice admin tools; they preferred perl over python (the RedHat preference) to write them.

If you prefer SysV and RPM, I'd recommend Mandriva.

Hoyt Duff
former co-author, Fedora Unleashed

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